Google's war on Microsoft only results in consumer casualties

Not a day after Google snuck by the FTC and was cleared of any wrong doing with its services, Google has come out and blocked Windows Phone users from accessing maps.google.com. We first reported this issue yesterday and since then, it's become clear that Google's blocking of Windows Phone users from accessing the service has nothing to do with supporting the browser and has more to do with screwing the consumer.

We have posted Google's official response below, but in short, they state that they only support WebKit and IE is an unsupported browser:

The mobile web version of Google Maps is optimized for WebKit browsers such as Chrome and Safari. However, since Internet Explorer is not a WebKit browser, Windows Phone devices are not able to access Google Maps for the mobile web.

Now, if that really was the case, you would think that changing the UserAgent would result in a poor experience while using Windows Phone to access the service but that is far from the truth. The video you see below is the result of changing the UserAgent to something other than Windows Phone and guess what, Google's maps works just fine.

Why is this important? It's critical to note that the service works fine with Internet Explorer and this is nothing more than a shot at Microsoft that only impacts consumers. It's quite unfortunate that Google has gone down this path as it opens the door to many other scenarios such as what would happen if Google stopped supporting Gmail for Internet Explorer? 

This is not the first example of seeing Google target Windows Phone users as the company has said that it will not build Windows Phone applications and it is currently restricting YouTube access for WP users as well. It's a bit ironic too if you look at Google's corporate values which, first on their list states, "Focus on the user and all else will follow". They should probably add an asterisk to that and put a footnote that says "unless those consumers use Windows Phone".

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Trolling article is trolling, the fact is that nobody not even Google even cares about that stagnating platform. Reason for which lots of developers won't bother about it.. Only the cry babies and fanboys are bashing Google here.. Neowin - A safe heaven for WP Trolls..

not for nothing, but google has become to big for their own good. they are becoming what microsoft was 10 years ago. and it is sad. i used gmail on my iphone, and i use it now in my windows phone. i dont like the fact i cant switch the search engine from bing, but you know what i can use the browser to go to google search. The only downside i really see with windows phone is the support for apps and developers that i used a lot of my ios device. But that will come with time just like it did with the iphone.

Even thou we can not change the search button on wp8 to use google, we can set ie to use google as the default search engine. The search button on wp8 is more than just a bing home page. Its more like a app. Try to swipe left and right and you will see more features.

No problem for me. I've already stopped using google products and never will again. Forwarded my gmail to hotmail/outlook, uninstalled chrome browser, use bing.com for search, etc etc. I still use their gchat service but through a 3rd party chat application.

Ironic how the same article wasn't posted when it was Microsoft waging war on Android manufacturers. Hypocrites

What exactly does Microsoft going after compensation for their intellectual property have to do with the blocking of an entire Operating System from access to a site for no reason other than a bickering, whining motivation? Nothing. That's what.

Invizibleyez said,
What exactly does Microsoft going after compensation for their intellectual property have to do with the blocking of an entire Operating System from access to a site for no reason other than a bickering, whining motivation? Nothing. That's what.

Google Maps is intellectual property Google wants compensation for.

Seems highly related to me.

FISKER_Q said,

Google Maps is intellectual property Google wants compensation for.

Seems highly related to me.


Do you have any idea what anti-competitive practices are? Google is not asking for money, and Google receives no money for web access to google maps from anyone. Blocking just windows phone is anti-competitive and not directly related to money for intellectual property.

Invizibleyez said,

Do you have any idea what anti-competitive practices are? Google is not asking for money, and Google receives no money for web access to google maps from anyone. Blocking just windows phone is anti-competitive and not directly related to money for intellectual property.

So again, color me confused, but do you not believe that:

1. Virtually blackmailing companies with unspecified patent violations (i.e. pay what we demand, and then we'll tell you what patents you just spent a fortune on, oh and btw, don't go tell anyone, or else...(bound by NDA))
2. Refusing to negotiate FRAND patent rates.
3. Making it native code restricted on Windows RT (thus eliminating proper browser choice)
4. Making you basically unable to change your search engine on Windows Phone 8 to something else than Bing.

Does not qualify as "anti-competitive practices"?

Here's the deal.

Google does not see that the current market share of Windows Phone 8 warrants support, they're not interested in supporting it currently, but people want youtube, google maps, and so forth.

Apple licensed the applications for iOS, they made them, and payed the proper licensing to make them.

Microsoft does not want to pay for them, and Google does not want to make them (especially not with said anti-competitive practices in mind), currently users is bypassing both companies by using the web version of Google Maps.

Google did not want that, hence they plugged the hole.

So it isn't directly about the money, just like your silly notion of Microsoft's patent litigation, isn't just "Microsoft going after compensation for their intellectual property", as if it was actual any less of a "war against consumers" than this is.

FISKER_Q said,
Double negative in the first part, whoops

I guess you have no idea how patents and compensation for intellectual property works. And you really can't compare apples need for google maps to Microsoft's non need of googles apps. If google wants to make its services available to windows phone users great. If not, great. That's not what this is about. Apps are not what this is about. This is blocking of something for the sake of being petty. I use windows phone, And trust me, I don't care about this block because I never would use google maps on my phone. Blackberry isn't paying for any google products, yet they are not blocked. Symbian? Not paying, not blocked. Even feature phones aren't blocked.

Also, if I recall correctly, Motorola was the ones not following FRAND practices by wanting to charge Microsoft a % of everything instead of a flat fee like they do with everyone else. FRAND is supposed to be the same or similar to what everyone else pays. Microsoft is going after Motorola for the same things they went after a long list of Android manufacturers that all agreed with what Microsoft owns and should be compensated for. Motorola seems to think it's too much suddenly. For any who don't know, Google is purchasing or has purchased Motorola, i'm not sure where the acquisition currently stands.

I also do not recall hearing about a Windows RT app that Google made that Microsoft denied. I believe that if that happened, we would hear about it.

And of course, as I stated above, you can use ANY search engine you want on windows phone, the hardware button has more tie-ins that give plenty of reason to not link it to anything else as pointed out by Elmer.Fernandes.

Javik has one again decided to embarrass himself by demonstrating his complete ignorance of FRAND licensing. I've lost count of the number of times he's had to be schooled on the subject.

Invizibleyez said,

I guess you have no idea how patents and compensation for intellectual property works.

I guess an argument against beforementioned anti-competitive practices were beyond your capabilities, otherwise you would have resorted to arguments rather than personal attacks.

I do know how patents work, and those were the kind of tactics employed by Microsoft the last couple of years, which brings us back to the OP's original post, i.e. why there were no posts about that, since patent litigation back then was basically about trolling companies into paying rather than having any patents they needed compensation for.

You may remember that they were eventually challenged and lost badly.

And you really can't compare apples need for google maps to Microsoft's non need of googles apps. If google wants to make its services available to windows phone users great. If not, great. That's not what this is about. Apps are not what this is about. This is blocking of something for the sake of being petty. I use windows phone, And trust me, I don't care about this block because I never would use google maps on my phone. Blackberry isn't paying for any google products, yet they are not blocked. Symbian? Not paying, not blocked. Even feature phones aren't blocked.

It's about the apps because using the service can offset the need for an app, which means that Microsoft has no incentive to do anything about it until now.

As i said it was not directly about money, however in case with Apple they made an app and paid for a license, i'm sure that Microsoft could negotiate a deal that doesn't block the web/mobile(Whichever one actually works properly) version, doesn't require a license to make an app, and otherwise does not require any monetary compensation.

They just have to stop those socalled anti-competitive practices you are casually ignoring/dismissing.

I didn't mean that as a personal attack. Microsoft wasn't going after anything the were not entitled to. Why has EVERY Android manufacturer paid up if there was nothing to pay for? Because Microsoft is so big and scary? Lets get real here. They may not publicly list what they are going after, but they do tell how many patents are being pursued typically (which indicates there are very specific patents that are being protected). For instance, Microsoft is suing Motorola for 21 patents, 19 of which are related to manufacturing devices with Android on them. Those numbers aren't just made up, they have patents behind them to back it up.

Like I said, if Google is not being anti-Microsoft, why is EVERYONE ELSE, whether they pay Google for anything or not, allowed to access what Microsoft is being blocked from?
And as I said before, you can use any of google's services that Google hasn't blocked (Google Maps so far, and I believe Gmail as well now too) on Windows Phone. That is not anti-competitive at all. The hardware button is directly linked to Bing Search, and has Vision, Music, and Scout special search abilities tied directly into it. Linking the Search Button to Google.com would not bring those features up, so Microsoft didn't do it. You also cannot link the search button to Yahoo, Dogpile, AltaVista, WebCrawler, etc. They are not blocking JUST google.com from the hardware button.

Invizibleyez said,
Also, if I recall correctly, Motorola was the ones not following FRAND practices by wanting to charge Microsoft a % of everything instead of a flat fee like they do with everyone else. FRAND is supposed to be the same or similar to what everyone else pays. Microsoft is going after Motorola for the same things they went after a long list of Android manufacturers that all agreed with what Microsoft owns and should be compensated for. Motorola seems to think it's too much suddenly. For any who don't know, Google is purchasing or has purchased Motorola, i'm not sure where the acquisition currently stands.

Nope, the starting offer that Motorola offered for their FRAND patents were reasonable for a starting point, and not unlike prices they offered to other companies.

Microsoft not only refused to negotiate, they flat out ignored the offer.

Invizibleyez said,
I also do not recall hearing about a Windows RT app that Google made that Microsoft denied. I believe that if that happened, we would hear about it.

They haven't had a specific application blocked, they have had an API blocked (oh the irony), i.e. you can't make native applications for Windows RT unless your Microsoft (or close friends with them)

So that means that Google (Or many others) cannot make a proper alternative to the Internet Explorer browser, heck if Microsoft allowed this, then they wouldn't have this issue to begin with

Invizibleyez said,
And of course, as I stated above, you can use ANY search engine you want on windows phone, the hardware button has more tie-ins that give plenty of reason to not link it to anything else as pointed out by Elmer.Fernandes.

Then there is, of course, no reason to provide users the alternative since it obviously superior.

I must admit I'm not fully aware of the search engine settings, earlier posts seem to suggest it depends on carrier and the device.

what API? The only API blocking I know of between Microsoft and Google is Google blocking the API for youtube. There is no API to block for a windows RT app.

Invizibleyez said,
I do not recall and cannot find any evidence of them being challenged and losing badly. I would appreciate a link if that is the case.

It should be noted that i do believe the main focus was Linux, but some Android implementers/vendors were targeted as well.

Basically Microsoft wrote a letter to companies saying they were violating a number of unspecified patents(I.e. the companies had no way of verifying it without risking litigation) and they would like money for it.

Many of them paid up, part of the "settlement" was that they were not allowed to discuss the details of the case(meaning noone else could be told what patents they were using to patent trolls with either)

In the end Microsoft targetted Barnes & Noble for the Nook, which is based on Android, and Barnes & Noble called their bluff, took them to court and eventually Microsoft settled.

Invizibleyez said,
what API? The only API blocking I know of between Microsoft and Google is Google blocking the API for youtube. There is no API to block for a windows RT app.

I'm talking about desktop/native applications, not Windows RT apps.

Microsoft restrict access by only allowing applications that are properly signed to access libraries such as the Win32 API.

Effectively that means that browser developement is not possible as the WinRT API's only exposes the IE rendering engine, and making one without access to lower level code is not feasible.

Edited by FISKER_Q, Jan 5 2013, 11:34pm :

Invizibleyez said,
Scratch that, here is the resolution. Basically there was no resolution but a separate deal was made involving a partnership, so Microsoft losing badly was.... forming a partnership? http://newsandinsight.thomsonr...__Noble_patent_litigation_/

Yes, that is the PR way of saying you lost badly.

Similar to how you could call Apple vis. HTC a partnership even though we both know that Apple basically won.

No partnership would've been made if Microsoft had succeeded in their patent troll.

Yet more proof that Webkit-based browsers are the modern day IE6.

In fact no, that's unfair to IE6. Webkit is far worse.

Support the open web by switching to a browser/engine that supports web standards.

Athernar said,
Yet more proof that Webkit-based browsers are the modern day IE6.

In fact no, that's unfair to IE6. Webkit is far worse.

Support the open web by switching to a browser/engine that supports web standards.


And Webkit doesn't?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C..._layout_engines_%28HTML5%29

It's rather that curious "Trident" engine that looks crappy in most HTML5 standard comparisons. Hmm, I wonder which lonely browser still relies on that one.

No, Webkit does not. It is a engine designed purely around ticking boxes on meaningless "tests" that do not assess the implementation - simply the existence of one.

Write a testcase using unprefixed CSS3 gradients and see which browsers don't work.

Spoiler: It's the ones that use Webkit.

P.S. I realise you're knee-jerking, but do try and remember there -are- other engines.

Athernar said,
Yet more proof that Webkit-based browsers are the modern day IE6.

In fact no, that's unfair to IE6. Webkit is far worse.

Support the open web by switching to a browser/engine that supports web standards.

Remind me again how many browsers use the most recent version of Trident?

neo158 said,

Remind me again how many browsers use the most recent version of Trident?

Remind me again how many browser engines there are?

Oh right, more than just two.

Athernar said,

Remind me again how many browser engines there are?

Oh right, more than just two.

You didn't answer my question.

There are more than two engines but remind me which one is the most popular out of Gecko, Trident, Webkit and Presto?

Hint: It's not Trident!!!

neo158 said,

You didn't answer my question.

There are more than two engines but remind me which one is the most popular out of Gecko, Trident, Webkit and Presto?

Hint: It's not Trident!!!

Since when did market share/popularity strictly correlate to quality?

Webkit is an enemy of the open web, simple as that. I'm sorry your emotional attachment to Webkit prevents you from seeing clearly.

Athernar said,

Since when did market share/popularity strictly correlate to quality?

Webkit is an enemy of the open web, simple as that. I'm sorry your emotional attachment to Webkit prevents you from seeing clearly.

I'm happy to disappoint you, I use Firefox, Opera, Internet Explorer and Chrome. I'm sorry your emotional attachment to Trident prevents you from seeing clearly.

In the mobile space Trident has next to 0% market share so it's no wonder Google cut support for it.

neo158 said,

I'm happy to disappoint you, I use Firefox, Opera, Internet Explorer and Chrome. I'm sorry your emotional attachment to Trident prevents you from seeing clearly.

In the mobile space Trident has next to 0% market share so it's no wonder Google cut support for it.

I have no attachment to Trident, I do however have an attachment to open standards.

Kindly educate yourself about the place of open standards on the web, and you'll see there is zero basis for Google's actions here, applications built upon open standards work cross-platform.

Embrace standards, reject Google and their attempts to monopolise the open web with proprietary technologies.

If it were just apps and not making apps for a platform, well no one has a right to bitch and moan about that... but up until now, all of the smartphone OS creators had agreed that web based applications would be universal.

Google could throw up a warning to Windows Phone users that the experience may not be as good for whatever reason but what they are doing instead does seem really underhanded.

Seems like they are willing to take a hit on their image over it because it appears to be calculated. Wonder what they have up their sleeve. Maybe they are trying to push Microsoft into a deal that makes Windows Phone more accessible to Google services (as in default search).

Until Microsoft opens up the search button on Win phone to other search services, quit f__king whining. IOS allows other default search provider and guess what - Google maps work just fine.

Microsoft fired the first shot, Winderps.

Mate don't know if you have used a Windows Phone before but the search button offers more than just search on the WP, it is an important part of the WP experience. Besides the obvious features of searching the web using Bing, the search button along with Bing offers features like:
1) Local Scout
2) Music Tagging
3) Bing Vision (Scanning of barcodes, QR codes, Microsoft tags, books, CDs and DVDs) which then uses Bing to find results etc.
another important feature of the Bing Vision is translating text to any other language using the camera on the phone.

That could be one of the reasons why Microsoft wouldn't offer a choice and besides this whole situation of blocking WP users from Google maps and restricting Youtube APIs and WP devs from offering a stable Youtube app is different.

Here you go... simple answer for your ignorant and prejudiced idea. Go to http://www.google.com on your windows phone. Now click the 3 dots in the bottom right corner. Now click "Pin to Start" Now drag the pinned tile to the bottom right of your main screen. BOOM, a nice google search button located SLIGHTLY above your "hardware button for bing searching". Now please, realize that not remapping a hardware button with other functionality and blocking access to a site on a competitors device are not even remotely similar. What would be more similar though? Blocking ONLY GOOGLE from remapping to the hardware search button, but then still, it's not quite the same, because you can still do what I just said, so... Keep digging you're prejudiced hole, you will never find the answers you are looking for.

you know, it would be nice to find site that list all Google releated server certificates,
so i can put those certificates on "UnTrusted Publisher" categories.

adding facebook's certificates to that categories would also nice....

Good, I'm glad there is finally someone willing to fight microsoft, the few consumers this hurts (very few since we are talking about windows phone) are acceptable collateral damage

Yeah, cause the evil Microsoft should be taken down by a chosen hero. The people have clearly chosen their hero! Someone honorable, noble, and honest (if that doesn't make this obvious sarcasm, you've been swimming in the Google-Aid). Microsoft is so evil, by.... uhmmm.... uhhhh... well whatever, people think they are evil so, BURN THEM! Google, you shall rule the world, and YES! you can have all my personal info, including pictures and videos and sell them to the highest bidder, because that is great! Why not rename the Earth into planet GOOGLE!

Hey Sonne, if Google is willing to do this to Microsoft, you think they won't go after the Fruit down the line ? Steve Jobs is calling, he says wake up to the real threat (Android).

Know your enemy, it isn't Microsoft.

tanjiajun_34 said,
Never surf Youtube before? o.0

Oh, you mean a sesspool of idiots, bullies, and people with no life? YouTube has become a useless dump that I'm very happy without.

Everybody is looking at this wrong. Google just gave Microsoft a User Agent string that disables or downgrades all Google sites and Microsoft controls the number 1 web browser in the world. I think MS just needs to use the loaded gun that Google handed them.

Except.... Internet Explorer isn't so dominant anymore. I'm not even sure that they aren't losing the IE vs Chrome battle. So, while I like how you think, I don't know that MS would ever do that, especially considering the loss they just had in court over OBVIOUS anti-competitive youtube app practices. Google favors a world with just Android and iOS, no arguing that. Apparently they are feeling a little invincible at the moment and aren't really worried that MS would fight dirty considering how the world is quick to defend Google and quick to hate Microsoft.

Hello random,

please list me one single web site by Microsoft that redirects you away when you access it from Android device. I am waiting, just one please. Google Maps for mobile web site is not an WP app, it is not an iOS app, it is not an Android app, it is a HTML web site (or call it generic HTML app if you like) that runs happily on both WebKit and nonWebKit browsers with one single very peculiar exception - that being WP. With Google, end justifies means and they are after WP whether it will take evil or non-evil means.

Jan Sichula

P. S. In my country, Slovak Republic, even one generic newspaper reported that Google will not develop for W8 and WP8. It looks like their high profile publicity machine is surprisingly successful in spreading the message that Google services are not supported on WP8 with a clear consequential message - do not but WP8, you know you need Google services and they are not supported on WP8.

I dont see Microsoft going out of their way to provide apps for Android. Guess they are just returning the favor.

Microsoft have less services than Google, so this shouldn't be a surprise to you. They do offer Skydrive on Android and they're expected to have an Android version of Office later this year.

Regardless, this article is about access to Web services, and I am not seeing Microsoft's web-services forbid access to Android devices.

exactly Domz, I guess people are oblivious to the fact that MS does have apps, not only for Android and iOS, but actually made and released them PRIOR to releasing the same apps for their own mobile OS. Seems more like they helped the competition look better before they made their own OS look good. Can't really get better than that.

Jazirian said,
Microsoft have less services than Google, so this shouldn't be a surprise to you. They do offer Skydrive on Android and they're expected to have an Android version of Office later this year.

Regardless, this article is about access to Web services, and I am not seeing Microsoft's web-services forbid access to Android devices.

You realise that the Android version of Office is for Tablets only, don't you?

The only Phone that will have Office on it is Windows Phone.

Hello S3P€hR,

I am personally in full agreement with your explanation. Some people think that this is a retaliation for patent fees that Microsoft is collecting from Android manufactures. But those do not impact Google directly, not even in the least. Besides that, the actual fee retaliation is how they are trying to charge those exorbitant fees for standard essential patents through Motorola patent pool - that fits fee retaliation thesis much better than blocking web sites and publicly stating they are not going to develop W8 and WP8 apps.
No, I am convinced that your explanation, S3P€hR, is a true one. They have realised that WP8 is much more viable platform than they were originally expecting and they are simply trying to poison the well. Also the sales success of WP8 (for example China, etc.) has surprised them and they perceive a real threat that can eat away market share for Android. They hope that as message will go around people that WP8 does not support Google services that almost every one is using, they people will be discouraged from buying them. So those are my two cents.

Jan Sichula

Google has been doing dark things for years even bending over to the Chinese about security. They, Google keeps everything you do on record for the rest of your life and can be read by our Government or any Sherriff office etc. Funny how they never told you that. I think Microsoft should play their game and make it hard to use their search They already blew them out of the box with a comparison with bing and bing beat them almost every time sorry it took about 5 years to get there and I'm sure that the sleeping Giant "Microsoft" won't forget what's happening. They are plenty large enough to go head to head with anybody. I'm so glad, after years of being frustrated with Microsoft silence, The sleeping Giant is waking up.

Google is childish and evil. It's as easy as that. I have migrated all the services I use from Google last year simply because of their behavior. I no longer use gmail, google search or anything related to Google - except YouTube.

So what's next? YouTube will only work in Chrome and on Android as well?

This is too stupid.

But Google's so "OPEN" and free source for all to use freely and openly. Oh wait that's the propaganda they sell to their fan boys. Like Apple's safer than Microsoft. They also freely data mine your email and other information too it seems. Doesn't this type of action violate the open source agreement they say they stand behind every other second.

I dont know how good/bad the mobile GMaps experience was on windows phone before this, but at this point google should be really careful. THey're basically pulling the same crap microsoft did back in the day. And I thought mobile IE on WP8 had the same exact rendering engine as IE10 on IE8. If IE10 can handle it...

You know I have been thinking a lot about this that why windows phone and windows 8 and why now Google is stabbing these platform. Why not earlier last year. I think Google is afraid of these platform growth more than iOS specially now that is more competitive after wp8. Because Windows OS is superior to android, I have both. When you install a lot of apps android crash a lot but never had any crash with my windows phone at all which is awesome. So Google is deliberately wants to kill this platform in favor of apples ios by making Google maps for iOS and unreasonably blocking google maps on wp. Because it doesn't afraid from iOS as much as windows. Any opinion?

I fully agree. If Google supports iOS, then they together have a better chance to snuff out Microsoft, where on even footing they feel threatened. Android has shown to be very competitive with iOS, surpassing their marketshare in the US, and they definitely do not want to have a 3 way tug at the pie, because no matter how you slice it, 50%ish is better than 33%ish. Anti-Competitive practices are very obvious here. If the government doesn't penalize Google similar to how they penalized Microsoft, then the corruption obviously lies deeply in Googles favor. I would like to see MS win this fight with the limits put on it by Google, but they obviously have a lot against them for whatever reason. It's an awesome mobile OS, and the world seems to love to hate it.

Hello everyone,

I will start to believe their explanation when they will equally redirect away every non-WebKit browser including Firefox Mobile versions and Opera mobile versions. Since this is not the case, it is crystal clear what they are really after. The EU investigations into Google's practices can't proceed fast enough as FTC is clearly teeth-less.

Jan Sichula

Jan.Sichula.Jr said,
Hello everyone,

I will start to believe their explanation when they will equally redirect away every non-WebKit browser including Firefox Mobile versions and Opera mobile versions. Since this is not the case, it is crystal clear what they are really after. The EU investigations into Google's practices can't proceed fast enough as FTC is clearly teeth-less.

Jan Sichula

If you read some of the context regarding the FTC decision you would probably understand why they are apparently "teeth-less".

Motorola tried to negotiate a license agreement with Microsoft, but Microsoft neither negotiated nor responded to those negotiations other than the lawsuit itself, in which it the judge pointed out that Motorola had taken steps towards coming up with a licensing deal (which did not violate FRAND rates), and Microsoft had done nothing but completely ignore it.

Actually, in reading the Softpedia article posted by thealexweb, I am under the impression that Google has not made this change in the EU, at least not yet since the UK is unaffected. The EU is unlikely to raise antitrust on actions and behaviors that only occur externally.

Firefox and Opera Mobile behave much more like Webkit-based browsers and both support most of the HTML5 (draft) elements Google uses.

I never used Google maps on my awesome Nokia Lumia device because it has two better maps more optimised but nevertheless for this move fu*k you google and Larry page.

I had always liked Google. Loved my Android phone. But y'know what... F*** Google, done with them. "Do no evil" my a**.

Edited by Perfect72, Jan 5 2013, 4:51pm :

I don't see the allure of google maps on mobile.. Can someone please tell me the killer feature that google maps have over Nokia or even big maps.. I never noticed a difference from my iPhone 3gs to my Samsung focus using the built in maps.. Now that I've got Nokia's offerings on My 920 I'm just as happy. it points me in the direction I need to go.. I've taken it everywhere in Canada and a few states in the US and it has always worked just fine.. Can someone tell me what Google offers that even makes this an issue.

thealexweb said,
Google has the most accurate mapping data

This may have been true at one time, but with Nokia using their own Navteq data, they have the most accurate navigation. Soon that will translate into the most accurate mapping data.

Google have a few cars, where Navteq get billions of data points a day from their biggest customers, UPS, FedEx.

Kosh Naranek said,
and you honestly thing Google doesn't get billions / trillions of data points from all their android users ?

I doubt most Android users have a dataplan needed to make Google Maps and Navigation useful, so no, they don't help Google and it's POI database. If as many Android that were activated were also connected to the Internet, they should show up in web traffic but they do not. Strong guess is a huge majority of people use Android phones like feature phones for calls and texts but not much else.

Kosh Naranek said,
So android user don't use any data traffic but iOS and WP users do ?

A couple points you missed... but most significantly, not all Android phones are high or even mid-range smartphones. There are tons of cheap Android phones sold that aren't much more than feature phones.

Kosh Naranek said,
and you honestly thing Google doesn't get billions / trillions of data points from all their android users ?

Google gets trillions of data points from their android users, but not for traffic purposes.

Look, for those slamming Google....there are other options for people to use. Dont like what Google is doing? Then choose a BB, Apple, or WP device. NO ONE is forcing anyone to use Google. Why there are other options out there...aka competition...to choose from.

techbeck said,
Look, for those slamming Google....there are other options for people to use. Dont like what Google is doing? Then choose a BB, Apple, or WP device. NO ONE is forcing anyone to use Google. Why there are other options out there...aka competition...to choose from.

The fact is their map service is best and they know know it and this is not cool doing this. I hope Nokia/Microsoft improve the bing map pretty soon. So I'll go googlefree. I have moved my mail to outlook.com and I'm searching in bing.com for a while and I am happy. Bing rewards are awesome. Free Skype credits and goodies for search. I wish MS had a decent service for every Google service like Google reader and YouTube...

techbeck said,
Look, for those slamming Google....there are other options for people to use. Dont like what Google is doing? Then choose a BB, Apple, or WP device. NO ONE is forcing anyone to use Google. Why there are other options out there...aka competition...to choose from.

Same could be said about other companies and their map apps. You know, instead of slamming them, just jump to the competition...

Most of the people wouldn't use it anyway. People aren't really complaining that they can't access it anymore, they're just commenting on the fact that recently Google have been purposely strategising to make WP a worse proposition for consumers - which whatever way you look at it is a bit of a shady practice because they have their own mobile OS.

omgben said,

Same could be said about other companies and their map apps. You know, instead of slamming them, just jump to the competition...

Problem is, ios 6 didn't have any other alternatives. Users couldn't jump to the competition until Google releases Maps for ios

techbeck said,
Look, for those slamming Google....there are other options for people to use. Dont like what Google is doing? Then choose a BB, Apple, or WP device. NO ONE is forcing anyone to use Google. Why there are other options out there...aka competition...to choose from.

Cool. How about all Microsoft products going 127.0.0.1 google.com ? don't like it? Use Linux, mac os etc. amidoingitright?

The main issue here is how much hypocrites Google and their fanbois are. This should not effect Windows Phone much but it sure will open the eyes to many who tend to back up Google. This is a sign that things will get uncomfortable for Google. For this reason alone at least a few people will come out hating Google and that alone will drive a new wave of fans in support of MS.

The fact is the Windows Phone does not really NEED Google Maps. There are Bing and Nokia maps that are even downloadable so you can use them offline. All native. If you have a Lumia device, the experience is even better. It is true that the maps cover one region better than the other, so it is important to offer customers the options.

Apple did not want Google Maps and Google used its popularity to shove a Maps app down Apple's throat. Now, Google is using its popularity to try to undermine Microsoft.

At the end of the day, customers are the ones who suffer.

Maybe Microsoft should redirect all Google services URLs to Microsoft equivalent in all platforms.

If it is war that they want, then make it thermonuclear.

Apple did that to themselves. Ditched Google Maps and released a CRAP product to replace it. So Google took advantage of that and released an iOS app. Apple's fault really .

DBrandUSA said,
How would Google take it if Apple pulled all Google apps from the Appstore?
A smartphone that is unable to surf Youtube?...Zzzz Samsung is doing pretty well these days too. Customer will jump to Android easier than ever.

That will just give Apple a terrible image....

techbeck said,
Apple did that to themselves. Ditched Google Maps and released a CRAP product to replace it. So Google took advantage of that and released an iOS app. Apple's fault really .

Really getting sick of people sucking the media sack and putting gas on the "Apple iOS Maps sucks" fire...

Apple Maps actually doesn't suck at all... Like any new mapping service, some info is still not in the system, and unlike many other companies that take their sweet time to correct issues with the software and data, Apple has actually been on the ball with issuing updates and refreshed data. Remember, their app uses the data from sources like Bing, TomTom, OpenMaps, and others.

If there are issues with the data, people should educate themselves before saying stupid **** and blaming Apple for it.

BTW, I have the new Google Maps on my iPhone 5, and it's crashed twice, missing transit data in my area, and has widespread issues with GPS lock on the device. Apple Maps, though it also has no transit data, it's never crashed, and locks GPS within a second or less!

Google, go F yourself!

-=MagMan=- said,

<snip>

Obviously do not know what you are talking about. Do a Google search, or since you are obviously biased against them, do a Bing search on all the problems iOS maps had. Hell, they even fired the guy responsible for the Maps program. And yes, new programs have bugs/problems by iOS Maps had more than just problems. IMO, it was BETA software that should of had more time to test/develop. But Apple is so hell bent on sticking it to Google, that they stuck it to their users.

Kinda funny...saying people should educate themselves before saying stupid ****....look in the mirror.

You see the thing they call competition is a force to be dealth with. I am sure this will force MS to create a YouTube competition and fight nail and teeth to be successful. Which puts Google on Defcon Level the next couple of years. That will not be good for Google.

Why does everyone assume this was Google's doing, when it's more likely that MS made a change to the browser, especially since it sorta worked till recently.

To me this is MS doing it over Google making WP users use IMAP to access their gmail accounts

z0phi3l said,
Why does everyone assume this was Google's doing, when it's more likely that MS made a change to the browser, especially since it sorta worked till recently.

To me this is MS doing it over Google making WP users use IMAP to access their gmail accounts

There's been no updates released by Microsoft. That's how we know it's on Google's end.

z0phi3l said,
Why does everyone assume this was Google's doing.

Possibly because the article contains a quote from Google stating that they did it?

Jazirian said,

Possibly because the article contains a quote from Google stating that they did it?

True, but most of the people commenting still haven't read the article.

z0phi3l said,
Why does everyone assume this was Google's doing, when it's more likely that MS made a change to the browser, especially since it sorta worked till recently.

To me this is MS doing it over Google making WP users use IMAP to access their gmail accounts


Do you even know how to read? Need a direction to a school?

Crimson Rain said,

Do you even know how to read? Need a direction to a school?

He wanted directions but his maps aren't working.

That gives it no reason to block it. Heck the performance can be comparted to any other mobile platform using google maps, including android.

Sigh. Yep. It's history all over again. What happened with Microsoft and the desktop Web is now happening with Google and the mobile Web.

Over dramatisation much? I find this exceeding hard to believe that this is deliberate, given that Google Maps has NEVER worked on WP7 before.

In all likelyhood, the current build of WP7 IE at the time of WP7's launch, and the current build of Google Maps at that same time was horribly incompatible, so they blocked the UserAgent rather than make their product look bad, and they have not opened it back up since even though it now works. Maybe they are not testing it at all and their HTML5 efforts for iOS have made it WP7/8 compatible without realising? Maybe they are working on WP7/8 and not ready to open the gates?

In any case it seems extremely UNLIKELY that it would be on purpose because (1) less advertisement revenue for their sponsored listings when user uses Bing/Nokia instead and (2) There are already 3rd party apps to access Google Maps on the WP7/8 market, so a block would be pointless if they really don't want WP users to have it.

404: Evil still not found. Keep looking.

It worked on WP7, it wasn't a first class experience, but it worked. And that runs IE9. IE10 runs their maps well as the video shows, so there's 0 reasons to block IE10/WP8 users.

Stupid much? Or just that much of a immature Google fanboy?

Google maps still works perfectly fine on WP devices as the video shows. And Google have even said they blocked access to WP users... it's quoted in the article. In the vid, maps is running on WP just as good as it runs on my Galaxy S3. This PROVES that theres no reason to block access, because the experience is just as good on WP. They have purposely set the page up to detect if the visitor is using IE on Windows Phone and will then purposely block it.

I've got a Nexus 4 and the experience (through Chrome) is just as bad as it is on that 920 - so why haven't Google blocked us accessing the maps app through their own devices?

Oh wait..Evil found!

DomZ said,
I've got a Nexus 4 and the experience (through Chrome) is just as bad as it is on that 920 - so why haven't Google blocked us accessing the maps app through their own devices?

Oh wait..Evil found!


There is like some rendering problem of the top menu bar when compared to my Nexus 4 (Stock Vanilla Android 4.2 Broswer)
http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/9735/mapsonandroid.png

Other then that I think it is fine on WP...

greenwizard88 said,
It worked on WP7, it wasn't a first class experience, but it worked. And that runs IE9. IE10 runs their maps well as the video shows, so there's 0 reasons to block IE10/WP8 users.

Was this tested the same day that it was blocked, to ensure that there is no compatibility issue with the build of MAPS at the time this happened (Which could have chnaged by now)? I'm sure it worked unsupportedly until something happened and they saw an issue and had to say no more. It seems out of character for Google because they have never blocked access to a product from a competitor device without technical justifiation before, and so close to an FTC agreement I would think that they would be even more cautious.

way to be anti-competative google

MS should just make all windows phones and windows 8 tablets repond as all just plain old "Windows" running IE 10 so you can't tell the difference... that way google would have to block all windows systems to do this... thus making google worthless

There are too many reasons to want to differentiate, and only 1 reason not to. Besides, Google could quiery the screen resolution and a few other variables to determine if it's mobile or not.

I think Microsoft should respond by buying exclusive access to websites for Internet Explorer.

If Google can choose to not allow people who use IE to access Google sites and services then any website can decide to not allow people who use Chrome to access their website. If Google wants to go down this path then I think Microsoft should oblige them. Perhaps a deal with Facebook to block access to the full site on Chrome/Android is in order. Then Yelp and Yahoo and Twitter. One by one Microsoft could buy exclusive access to the full sites for IE. And Chrome users can get redirected or downgraded to limited versions of the sites.

And while Microsoft is at it, maybe they should set the user agent string on all versions of Internet Explorer to say "Windows Phone." Then maybe some default ad-blocking should be built into IE11 that specifically censors all advertisements on Google owned websites.

Edited by Avatar Roku, Jan 5 2013, 10:55pm :

Well unfortunately in the USA when you have ******* like the FTC who can easily be bought off with dollars then this **** happens. Maybe its time for the DOJ to step in and go thru google with a fine toothed comb. At the end of the day google provides a ****ty experience for WP if any and those who use WP should just use the services offered cause they are also good or 3rd party apps.

...Microsoft is neglecting to mention that the Google Maps that works on Windows 8 is not the same Google Maps that doesn't work on Windows Phone, one is the desktop site the other is the mobile one.
I just tried it, that isn't the case. If I set the user agent string to mobile, I get redirected to google.com. If I try setting the user agent string to desktop, I get a wap looking site for google places.

Google blocks the desktop mode in IE10 mobile for all of it's pages. This should also be getting scrutiny but unfortunately people are only now realizing Google's underhanded tactics because they are now actively blocking entire sites from IE.

I understand why Google is doing it, the last thing they want is Microsoft being successful in the mobile space and tablets. Android has a good slice and deliberately pulling the carpet away from Microsoft who have a meaningless share is a very safe bet no matter how cruel and dodgy it looks.

You don't let your biggest competitor off the beach.

WooHoo!!! said,
I understand why Google is doing it, the last thing they want is Microsoft being successful in the mobile space and tablets. Android has a good slice and deliberately pulling the carpet away from Microsoft who have a meaningless share is a very safe bet no matter how cruel and dodgy it looks.

You don't let your biggest competitor off the beach.

So in other words they're scared of competition and using illegal tactics to block competition. Might make you feel all warm and comfy inside to think they've only done this to Microsoft, but many other companies like Yelp, TripAdvisor, Twitter, and Facebook have been punished when Google decided they were standing in the way of complete domination.

Avatar Roku said,

So in other words they're scared of competition and using illegal tactics to block competition. Might make you feel all warm and comfy inside to think they've only done this to Microsoft, but many other companies like Yelp, TripAdvisor, Twitter, and Facebook have been punished when Google decided they were standing in the way of complete domination.


How is this an illegal tactic?

Ambroos said,

How is this an illegal tactic?

They're leveraging a monopoly of search and other services to dominate another industry (phone operating systems and browsers) and punish their sole competitor in search and mobile operating systems. That's known as being anti-competitive which is illegal. Google's YouTube has no serious competition yet it is purposely downgraded on Windows Phone's browser only. Can't do that. The government is supposed to penalize companies when they try to leverage a monopoly in anti-competitive ways like this.

Pretty simple and straight forward. Google is hurting consumers and trying to limit choice in the market.

Unfortunately most android apologist would defend Google Teeth and Nails... but those are the sames that hate MS for having done the same(if you want to call it that). Except this is really deuchy... MS NEVER! prevented any third party developer from or it's user from installing other software.

Avatar Roku said,

They're leveraging a monopoly of search and other services to dominate another industry (phone operating systems and browsers) and punish their sole competitor in search and mobile operating systems. That's known as being anti-competitive which is illegal. Google's YouTube has no serious competition yet it is purposely downgraded on Windows Phone's browser only. Can't do that. The government is supposed to penalize companies when they try to leverage a monopoly in anti-competitive ways like this.

Pretty simple and straight forward. Google is hurting consumers and trying to limit choice in the market.

You mean like how Microsoft is leveraging a monopoly in the PC client space by using Windows 8 as a bootstrap for a reboot of their failed mobile strategy, and then punish the biggest competitor in the search and mobile operating systems?

Funny, Google seems threatened by Windows Phone, when they keep saying it's insignificant. Question is, where are they going to draw the line?

Doesn't matter to me, as I'm fine using Microsoft's services.


Maybe it's time Microsoft removes SkyDrive and Skype for Android?

It WP managed to get to about 10-15% and some momentum removing those services would be an interesting move

Dot Matrix said,
Funny, Google seems threatened by Windows Phone, when they keep saying it's insignificant. Question is, where are they going to draw the line?

Doesn't matter to me, as I'm fine using Microsoft's services.


Maybe it's time Microsoft removes SkyDrive and Skype for Android?

First they mock you then they attack you then you win

How unfortunate. At least there are Nokia maps...

Being an Android user (also an ex-WP7 user), I am just very used to Google services. The fact that there is no first party Google services support (other than search) is just a turn off on the WP platform.

tsupersonic said,
How unfortunate. At least there are Nokia maps...

Being an Android user (also an ex-WP7 user), I am just very used to Google services. The fact that there is no first party Google services support (other than search) is just a turn off on the WP platform.

Why? The 3rd party apps are just as good if not better than Googles crap apps on Android? I really need to stop using Google services though. Microsoft needs to change the user agent for all IE browsers to say Windows Phone and start employing selective ad blocking into IE by default. Time to cut off Google's revenue stream by blocking all ads on Google sites. Hell I do it pretty easily with ad-blocker plus on Firefox.

Douche move by Google. As an iPhone and Outlook.com user, for once I can enjoy this rat race between Microsoft and Google. Push mail? Try pushing my a** Google!

I just tried this on my Lumia 920 with the agent changed to Android. I assure you, the viewing experience sucks.

Nashy said,
I just tried this on my Lumia 920 with the agent changed to Android. I assure you, the viewing experience sucks.

It runs exactly the same on WP as any device. But obviously it wont ever perform as good in the browser compared to a proper app.

I just tried maps.goolge.com on my Galaxy S3 and it runs exactly the same as in the video. It has lag on my S3, but no less than on the Lumia 920 in the video.

Google are just c***s.

Yeh it's the same experience on Google's flagship Nexus 4 that I have as well..

Google really need to take a long hard look at what made them a great company 10 years ago

DomZ said,
Yeh it's the same experience on Google's flagship Nexus 4 that I have as well..

Google really need to take a long hard look at what made them a great company 10 years ago

I tried on my Nexus 4 well it wasn't terrible... It is just like the article's video performance. Anyway why does the top menu looks different on the Windows Phone when compared to my nexus 4?

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
Are not optimized? Are you freaking serious Google? They worked just fine last week.

Google's BS same as always it was couple of weeks ago Google's Larry page said consumers should not suffer in competition and Google's intention is to bring service on every device. Fuc*ing lier

"Do No Evil" has been the claims by many of history's worst including Hitler. Heck that's how Hitler got his base and support. This will be the same with Google.

Wow, this seems very petty and childish on Google's part. What is their big problem? Aren't there still more Android phone users than Windows Phone?

I don't really get why they should feel forced to offer their services on other competing platforms. Just because it "works" (it actually worked horribly compared to the smooth scrolling I could get on an iphone or a proper google application) with a different user agent it doesn't change the fact they'd still have to spend time and money to test maps on the competing platforms. I couldn't access google maps from my old symbian phone either even when the OS still had a pretty high marketshare, they were redirecting to Google Local, but I don't remember anybody making such a drama about that.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
You made a drama about not being able to change the physical WP search to Google tho. Funny how people change their minds when things change.

A feature for which you have no alternative, you're stuck with Bing and only the Manufacturer/Carriers can change that, not the user. On Windows Phone you have gMaps and other alternatives to use for the Maps but you have none for the physical button that is completely useless in non-American countries. On iPhone/Android/Symbian you can set whatever search engine you want, only WP has that restriction. Also the physical search button is a main WP feature, opening a webpage on a browser is not so no, the two things are nowhere at the same level.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
Francescob - All-in-all I hope MS now pulls Skype and Skydrive from Android and see how that works out.

Because Google Voice, Facetime or iMessage instead work wonderfully on Windows Phone, right? Nice way to change argument. A web service that ran awfully on WP that was removed (and I wouldn't be surprised if it was to avoid complaints about how bad it was running in the first place) still doesn't compare to a main feature like the hardware button search/browser search being locked to Bing and its horrible results in the non-american countries where they still use a rebranded MSN search. User-customizable web search is something virtually every other phone has, except WP. For maps you have Bing maps, you have Nokia maps, you have GMaps (MUCH better than Google's web app), Navigon, etc. You have enough choices to write a book about compared to the web search's that every other phone has for which you have none. Two entirely dfferent things.

Edited by francescob, Jan 5 2013, 4:28pm :

devHead said,
Wow, this seems very petty and childish on Google's part. What is their big problem? Aren't there still more Android phone users than Windows Phone?

Probably around as childish as making Windows Phone 8 and Windows RT incapable of running native applications outside Microsoft/select partners(where Google isn't one of them).

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
Francescob - All-in-all I hope MS now pulls Skype and Skydrive from Android and see how that works out.

Please not I am using those every single day, if Google acted like a child doesn't mean Microsoft should do the same way. People should buycott Google instead. I know their map service is the best but bing search works pretty good. Go to bing instead of Google. This is the right way.

You're talking like you're a long time WP user tho last time You said you don't use WP then stop making arguments like "Google maps ran awfully" no they didn't. They ran just fine. Yes, WP doesn't have the option to change the native search engine and hopefully they won't add it aswell just so they can **** off people like you who defend Google no matter what even when they act like 10 year olds who got to run a freaking multi-billion dollar company.

iTime? Sorry, tell me that when it even gets close to Skype's marketshare or usability, then I care, until then I don't give two ****s about it, same goes for Google voice. The other thing about that is that Apple and Google don't build native apps for WP is no conserne for Microsoft, what they need to pay Google now to build apps for WP?

Every time I try to argument something you bring in some other bull**** that is totally out of context, as long as it stays in Google favor. End of discussion, write an essay if you want, I ain't gonna respond anymore.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
You're talking like you're a long time WP user tho last time You said you don't use WP then stop making arguments like "Google maps ran awfully" no they didn't. They ran just fine. Yes, WP doesn't have the option to change the native search engine and hopefully they won't add it aswell just so they can **** off people like you who defend Google no matter what even when they act like 10 year olds who got to run a freaking multi-billion dollar company.

So you're saying that forcing a native search engine wasn't anti-competitive yesterday, but only became it (and Google deserves it, so apparently it doesn't count anyway) after today?

What a load of nonsense.

Fact of the matter is that Microsoft is back to their dirty anti-competitive practices, and Google is wanting none of that nonsense.

The consumer is no less of a casualty than it was for Microsoft excluding other search engines, other browsers, and so forth.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
You're talking like you're a long time WP user tho last time You said you don't use WP then stop making arguments like "Gmaps ran awfully" no they didn't. They ran just fine. Yes, WP doesn't have the option to change the native search engine and hopefully they won't add it aswell just so they can **** off people like you who defend Google no matter what even when they act like 10 year olds who got to run a freaking multi-billion dollar company.

Where did I ever said I don't use Windows Phone? I have 2 windows phones and even said I love it in the other news, yes, the one where you said I was making a drama about the hardware search while the real drama was you not accepting any sort of criticism in your rampant, blind fanboyism with even other users telling you how childish you were in your exaggerated rants. Here: http://www.neowin.net/news/mar...t-kicks-ass#comment-2044091 . Did I ever said I love android anywhere? No, like usual when you can't find any valid argument you put words into other people mouths. I don't like the android UI, it's pretty bad when stock and sometimes it even becomes outright unusable after the manufacturers put their hands on it.

I guess that now that I gave a valid criticism about WP and another about Google it instantly makes me an Apple fanboy? No, I couldn't care less about the 700€ iphones. When a person writes a perfectly valid criticism about a Microsoft product or other products it doesn't magically equals to being a fanboy of the completely opposite platform. Get over it.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,

iTime? Sorry, tell me that when it even gets close to Skype's marketshare or usability, then I care, until then I don't give two ****s about it, same goes for Google voice. The other thing about that is that Apple and Google don't build native apps for WP is no conserne for Microsoft, what they need to pay Google now to build apps for WP?

My point was not about the marketshare. My point was that just like Google Microsoft or Apple can chose whether to port or not their flagship features to other operating system, it's their choice, the reason why they ported skydrive or skype it's because it earns them money on any platform. You compared that to the lack of a feature every other phone has except WP that is completely different and unrelated. I never said Microsoft had to put Google search on their phones, I said I wanted the choice to put whatever I want like I could on every. other. damn. phone.

Want a valid argument? Don't like the search use another OS. I said it the last time already.

Fanboy? Guess I'm an google fanboy aswell since I use my S2 daily at work besides my L800. I seriously don't care what you got to say, like last time you start to insult me personally with stupid **** like "in your rampant, blind fanboyism" tho you don't know the first thing about me.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
Want a valid argument? Don't like the search use another OS. I said it the last time already.

Fanboy? Guess I'm an google fanboy aswell since I use my S2 daily at work besides my L800.

That argument is as valid as this: don't like Google maps not working on Windows Phone? Move to another planet. It makes just as much sense.

Why, just because I don't like a single feature of Windows Phone but I like the rest, why should I use something else? Are you saying that Windows Phone is perfection and nothing should be changed? I don't really think that's a valid argument either, if that was the case then Microsoft wouldn't have ever added any other new feature on it and we'd all still be using vanilla WP7 (with no multitasking, no custom ringtones, no threaded email/conversations, etc).

alwaysonacoffebreak said,

I seriously don't care what you got to say, like last time you start to insult me personally with stupid **** like "in your rampant, blind fanboyism" tho you don't know the first thing about me.

Really? You are AGAIN putting words into other people mouths? Please link to where I personally insulted you in the other thread. Please!

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
No, I'm not saying WP is perfect, far from it but it ain't as bad as you're trying to make it to look like.

Where did I say it was bad! STOP PUTTING WORDS INTO OTHER PEOPLE MOUTHS!
I only said I don't like the search, I didn't say the OS sucked or anything, quite the opposite.

I EVEN SAID "I REALLY LOVE IT" in my first post, what else should I said? That I make love with my Windows Phone every night to make it sound like it was enough good for you?

Not like Microsoft aren't equally childish. We have to use some version of web outlook for uni email and that blocks access to the full version for Linux users. However with a user agent change it works fine. I mean if it works on Chrome for Windows why should the block Chrome for Linux?

FISKER_Q said,

So you're saying that forcing a native search engine wasn't anti-competitive yesterday, but only became it (and Google deserves it, so apparently it doesn't count anyway) after today?

What a load of nonsense.

Fact of the matter is that Microsoft is back to their dirty anti-competitive practices, and Google is wanting none of that nonsense.

The consumer is no less of a casualty than it was for Microsoft excluding other search engines, other browsers, and so forth.

Clearly you are a google fanboy... just because the hardware search button does not allow you to search with google instead bing does not make them anticompetitive. That button is a feature to easily access bing. Had they blocked all google access from the phone, that would have been. Google is deliberately blocking a particular user agent. Thats anticompetitive. MS on the other hand has and is going to bring certain apps to android. The youtube API fiasco is another example of anticompetitive behavior since they do support iOS.

psreloaded said,
Clearly you are a google fanboy... just because the hardware search button does not allow you to search with google instead bing does not make them anticompetitive.

Why not?

That button is a feature to easily access bing. Had they blocked all google access from the phone, that would have been.

But that is not what Google is doing either.

Google is deliberately blocking a particular user agent. Thats anticompetitive. MS on the other hand has and is going to bring certain apps to android. The youtube API fiasco is another example of anticompetitive behavior since they do support iOS.

If blocking competition from getting their search engines or third party browsers on the phones is not anti-competitive, why is blocking the competition from google maps then anti-competitive?

I've not said that this move by Google ain't anti-competitive, I'm merely stating that there is quite obviously a good reason behind it regardless of whether or not they ever officially acknowledge that reason.

Apple has atleast been able to meet Google somewhat halfway, I'm not saying it is entirely in Google's favor, Microsoft is just blatantly removing Google's core business from a platform they have no reason to invest in, so they don't, and until Microsoft budges it appears they're willing to play hard ball on it.

But the headline is almost correct, the only victims here are the consumers, but it's on both sides, not just on Microsoft's side, it's on both sides.

FISKER_Q said,

If blocking competition from getting their search engines or third party browsers on the phones is not anti-competitive, why is blocking the competition from google maps then anti-competitive?

You can set Google as the default search engine in the browser at least.

ModernMech said,

You can set Google as the default search engine in the browser at least.

Yeah, that's atleast something.

Darrah Ford said,
Microsoft fired the first shot by locking Google out of the default search button on Winphone.

Yeah, basically it is in response to events from Microsoft that are clearly anti-competitive in nature, at the end of the day neither Microsoft or Google can claim to have clean hands, but i still like both of them for various products, not a big fan of Windows RT and Windows Phone 8, but big fan of Win 8(Metro interface doesn't really bother me, and the extra license(VHD Boot, Hyper-V, etc.) stuff is awesome) and Server 2012.

But t's all about flexing muscles, depriving users of a great product (Google Maps) may force Microsoft to offer some leniency on the 3rd party browser and search issues.

Not really weird that google does this, microsoft also screw android users by not making proper apps available for it...ever tried searching for a outlook app for android? there isn't, there is a crappy hotmail app and skype is the onyl app that works for a bit since it was already made and available when they bought skype >.>

So it's not only google but also microsoft who aren't willing to offer their services for consumers who aren't buying their phone sigh.

And don't forget apple ofcourse, they only program they are currently offering for windows is itunes and for android they offer zero apps, compared to google who offer multiple apps for iOS.

ModernMech said,

You can set Google as the default search engine in the browser at least.


It's not exactly like that. The setting is only for the browser and it's the manufacturer or the phone operator that must add the option, for example an unbranded HTC or Samsung WP phone will only offer Bing (and the user can't do anything about that), a Nokia WP8 phone or a T-Mobile phone will also offer Google.

oh the glorious open on so open platform has not obligation to do this but when it's MS turf they have to? really? logic in android fanbois does not exist.

nickcruz said,
oh the glorious open on so open platform has not obligation to do this but when it's MS turf they have to? really? logic in android fanbois does not exist.

You have not explained what that this "oppen oh so open platform" has not done, since they do allow whatever could be reasonable be inferred from your post.

And so Google has a Google Search app for WP, but nothing else. So they are motivated by ad revenue and those benefits, but cut off everything else. Just use Bing search and Bing maps, and Bing, Bing, Bing.