Has IE 7 turned back Firefox?

Firefox's success in chipping away at Internet Explorer's majority Web browser market share has slowed since Microsoft Corp. began pushing the new IE7 as an automatic update to Windows users last year, a management consulting firm said yesterday. But a Web metrics company immediately disputed the conclusion, saying that IE7's introduction has helped -- not hurt -- Firefox. According to Janco Associates, which tracked users to several Web servers that the Nevada-based company manages, Firefox's growth rate has stalled since December 2006, when Microsoft started automatically issuing IE7 to Windows users. "We've started to see a stabilization of the marketplace," said Victor Janulaitis, Janco's CEO. "In three years, IE lost about 15% of the market share, but we're now seeing that leveling off."

From December 2006 to this month, Firefox's share increased less than a percentage point, from 12.5% to 13.4%. Meanwhile, IE's overall share climbed to 70.5% in March from December's 67.5%. In particular, IE7's share almost tripled from the beginning of December by March 1, climbing from 6.9% to 18.7%. Firefox's stall, said Janulaitis, meant that it and other IE rivals won't be able to overtake Microsoft's browser "without some major new innovation or driver."

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I personally like IE 7 but Firefox has a nice spell checker built into any text box on the web. That's why I'm sticking with FF simply for the spell checker. And I just like it a little better.

Heck , I use Opera for browsing mostly. I especially like the forward function on some pages that allow me to browse thru photos easier. And the mouse gestures...albeit I have a mouse gesture plugin for firefox to do almost the same stuff.

From a web developer point of view, I'd love if every IE user upgraded to IE7. While it's still far from the standards support of Opera and FF, it is better than IE6. I truly hope Microsoft get on the bandwagon and makes IE standards compliant because that would make my job easier and give me more things to work with.

As a browser, IE7 is IMO still far behind any other major browsers. Opera is IMO the best browser at the moment when it comes to functionality. It has lots of smart features, the new Speed Dial in 9.2 beta is a great simple idea that makes browsing the net just that more enjoyable. Mouse gestures are another. Sure you can browse WWW without them but once you get used to them you wonder how you ever did without 'em.

The drawback of having tons of functionality and a very customizable UI is that to the average user it will seem complex and to the less-than-average user (the type who needs help just installing a program) very difficult. MS is doing well if you look at it like that. All the software they bundle with Windows is made to be fairly easy to use. The problem is that to a "power user" that means that they don't offer features you may need and the UI tends to be simplistic with more advanced features (if there are any) hidden behind endless menus. Now that I think of it, I don't think I use any Microsoft programs aside from Windows itself because there are better options available.

For the record I usually install Firefox instead of Opera when I go fix an "average" or "less-than-average" user's computer simply because Firefox is a bit more like IE and without extensions more simple to use.

ok, why people always have to ****ing put down anything tries kill Microsoft stronghold? I'm glad theres other option for browsers, not same old boring IE everyone use... I wish there was real os would actually give Microsoft good run for there money.. I'm still waiting for macos and linux to give Microsoft the good run..

well me personally im a firefox user and have been since a little before the v1.0 release... but ill try to be fair on both sides of the field.

main reason i dont like IE7 is it's interface!... they screwed it up... but on a good note it's (IE7) clearly overall better than IE6 was (besides interface) cause it's got tabbed browsing now which is one of the major things IE6 lacked which made firefox WAY better.

plus another reason i like firefox over IE6/7 in general is cause of extensions... although i pretty much only use 1 addon it's still does something that once i got used to it i would rather not browse without and it is "TabScroller" ... basically what is does is, when i hold down right mouse button and scroll the mouse wheel it switches tabs instantly this way i aint gotta manually move mouse to tab bar and click each tab (saves time) ... IE7 lacks this so thats another reason i dont like IE7.

bottom line = IE7 on the whole got much better than IE6 and overall it's much closer to firefox now, although i dont like it's (IE7's) interface and it lacks extensions so i wont be leaving firefox anytime soon (if ever) ;)

i think alot of the reason IE will ALWAYS be by far the king of web browsers for the mass public is cause it's basically included with windows, which pretty much guarantee's the average joe (and theres alot of em) will use IE related browsers.... cause it's like alot of peoples comments said above.... most users pretty much only goto a few websites/check mail/order stuff online etc and they DONT CARE about which browser they use as long as it works there happy, so this right here guarantee's that there going to be using IE related web browsers.

Why does it matter what market share each browser has? As long as I am not forced to use Internet Explorer, I don't really care.

Firefox users should worry more about the TPM chip which will take the personal out of personal computer. The TPM chip controls what software runs on your computer and what operating system it runs. It's a very big threat to open source software, especially Linux.


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Personally, I'm sick of all this corporation and market share trash. The only reason Internet Explorer has more market share, is obviously because dumb yuppie middle class idiots that have a bunch of children everywhere running around the house see the Dell, HP, etc. commercials, call them up, order a computer that has a bunch of crap hardware in it. They get it and hook it up, and right on the desktop they see Internet Explorer. They take nearly 30 minutes to figure out they have to double click the icon and then they see the internet is alright provided they have an internet connection(If the installer was smart enough), figure everything is alright and nothing is wrong.

Most of Internet Explorer's market share is full of the above type of people. As long as the above continues to happen, Internet Explorer will remain the dominant browser despite how much the semi-educated World of Warcraft player tells everyone about Firefox.

I dont care what people use, all I know is competition is a good thing. Without FF or even something like Opera would we have IE7? Probably but who knows?

i dont care.

both are good browsers. and lets keep in mind:

they are there for looking at websites, not much more.

im writing this using firefox since its relatively small and fast. and im on a mac. plus i didnt need any extension so far. because i use it for... browsing the web. fullstop. =)

i could also use safari or omniweb or whatever but i like FF. no reason maybe.

At least Ff doesn't take several seconds to export bookmarks or clear history. Ff does it instantly!

Plus they got AdBlock+ & FlashBlock add-ons for 'FREE'. Lot of the add-ons for IE you got to pay for (lame).

Thats why I like Firefox. :cheeky:

I've personally given up trying to install firefox on people's PC's at home. I get asked to come around and clean spyware, reboot systems and generally get the system running as it should, but when I suggest they use firefox they just say "ok", and then use it. Then, when I'm gone, they load up MSN, msn tells them they have new emails, and takes them to hotmail using IE even if firefox is default.

Then IE says "IE is not your default browser, would you like to change this" and low and behold, the vicious circle continues. I haven't installed IE7 on this PC, last time I did it just crashed and froze every time I went to use it. Firefox is generally much more stable for me.

Firefox asks to be made the default browser all the time, and to be honest IE7 is a lot better at preventing spyware than before.

Have you ever thought about telling them why they are getting spyware, instead of just telling them to use firefox. I've used IE all my life and never got one virus or piece of spyware.

IE7 might be increasing its numbers, but FF will stay the #1 browser for avid PC users because of the plethora of extensions available. Web developers (such as myself) will still use it because of the fact that you can read the source of a website in a color-coded fashion, and the fact that FireFox still renders XHTML/CSS WAAAY better than IE7 does. Designers will continue to use it because of the many extensions available that make designing somewhat easier. I myself use ColorZilla at least once a day.

Also, let us keep in mind the fact that MS is playing their favorite game again... They sit and watch other companies and organizations innovate, then slap together their own version and let it take over the smaller guy. They dominate the OS field, let's not let them dominate the web.

Opera allows you to view colour coded source without the need of extensions as does Maxthon and Mozilla didn't implement tabbed browsing till AFTER Opera(InternetWorks was the first), so by your logic Mozilla used the innovations of another company. Quit the rhetoric

I'm all for aternatives to MS but that doesn't mean that other companies like Apple and Mozilla are angels and/or the answer

I was always a Firefox fan back in the early days but don't use it anymore for a couple of reasons:

- The UI sucks on Mac OS
- It seems to eat up resources if you leave it open for a long time. I leave my browser open all the time, so pretty soon Firefox is making my system slow down to a crawl.

I still always recommend it to any casual users out there, but if I was using Windows it'd be IE7 for me.

I don't have any particular browser loyalty, though I detest IE with a passion. However, that aside...

a management consulting firm said yesterday
What on earth would qualify a firm specialising in management consulting to make such statements? It makes no sense at all.

IE doesn't even use web standards, how the heck can that be better? Seriously. If IE had web standards it could compete with Firefox, until then, it's just a crappy browser injected into your operating system. If you had to actually download a browser with both the same advertising marketing, Firefox would predominate as it would be recommended much more. Seriously, push your brain and think a little.

Haha, I always love posts like these... "If IE had web standards"

Technically, no browser has "web standards," just some have better implementations of the standards than others. But I don't think any browser could be considered completely "standards-compliant."

Im not even gonna read all the comments but Ill say this. Microsoft needed a swift kick in the arse to make IE better and Firefox gave it to them

Septimus said,
Why do Firefox users think anything negative against their beloved browser is an attack on their mothers?

Good question. They are with out a doubt way too obnoxious. I think if they showed half as much passion in their daily lives as they show for FF, they would be in a place where a friggin piece of software wouldn't mean so much.

Personally I would like to see Opera gain a larger percentage in the browser market seeing as it is the better browser. IE has made great strides with version 7 however and I wouldn't be surprised to see FF not make any more gains.

As someone who used Opera exclusively for years and years, IE7 has actually won me back. I really got into Firefox about a year ago and loved it as well, but the last few builds have been troublesome. Firefox now seems slow and clunky compared to Opera and IE7, since 2.* builds of Firefox.. IE7 wins the overall responsiveness award for me, the sucker just flys. Im actually using it right now and you would have never convinced me a year ago Id ever be using IE over Firefox and especially not over Opera.

It's not IE 7 it's a WGA or some other security patch that grabs the default browsing setting and sets it to IE. It had to set my work pc and my home pc back to firefox. Within the last month or so.

Nexxus6 said,
It's not IE 7 it's a WGA or some other security patch that grabs the default browsing setting and sets it to IE. It had to set my work pc and my home pc back to firefox. Within the last month or so.

Yep, If you install Firefox, set Firefox as the default browser and tell it to always alert you when the default has been changed, and then install MS Office... surprise surprise! Office forces your default browser to be MSIE. You didn't ask it to, it just naturally assumed that you want to be force-fed MSIE.
:kicks MS Office:

The only thing that FF has over IE is the ad block, which IE7Pro is working on, and the Remove It Permanently add on. I want to be able to remove parts of web pages that I don't ever want to see.

There are many differences between the different browsers that help people decide on one over the other (competition is a good thing). One of the major reasons I don't use IE is because I can't! Do they have a Linux version? Even on Windows machines at work I prefer FF because it has features I'm comfortable with. I have IE installed for testing purposes only.

IE7Pro still is not even close to being as good as the adblocking addon for Firefox.

I'd rather use IE but until the ad blocking is up to snuff, Firefox it is.

IE 7 is on the rise because MS forces people to download it. The masses will take what's given to them as they don't ever want to try something different. Remember, most people just surf the net and check email. You could give them IE 4 and they wouldn't care.
But for those wanting a richer internet experience, IE is spaghetti code chock full of security holes and bloat while FF is filet mignon served the way you like it.

The real and fair test would be to let people choose if they want to install IE7 or not. Shoving it as a critical update just makes the automated process if selected downloading and install it. The person who submitted this article did not comment on the difference. Firefox was a choice made by people whereas IE7 was forced upon people. No one can say the same about IE7. IE6 had mass market and the DOJ found it a violation (and rightly so) to be bundled with their OS. It should have been a choice!

Ahhh you're one of those people who think Apple should be the next one dragged into court for bundling Safari with OS X. After all, it's no different than Microsoft bundling IE with Windows.

Upgrading to IE 7 is a choice unless you are in a domain and your environment is controlled by an administrator. Here's a tip: Don't download the update. There, you chose not to get it. Did you accidentely download it? No problem, take 5 seconds and 'uninstall' it to revert back to IE6. Just because it was listed as a critical update doesn't mean Microsoft is to blame for you failing to take the time to review the updates and decide which ones you want.

The reason it shows up as an update is because its part of Windows. Therefore, if there is an update available it will be offered to you. If you don't want it, decline it when you install your other updates. You can also opt not to have the IE7 update offered to you again.

People who fail to see it as a choice are just too lazy to uncheck a box. Microsoft couldn't make it more of a choice if they tried.

C_Guy said,
Ahhh you're one of those people who think Apple should be the next one dragged into court for bundling Safari with OS X. After all, it's no different than Microsoft bundling IE with Windows.

Upgrading to IE 7 is a choice unless you are in a domain and your environment is controlled by an administrator. Here's a tip: Don't download the update. There, you chose not to get it. Did you accidentally download it? No problem, take 5 seconds and 'uninstall' it to revert back to IE6. Just because it was listed as a critical update doesn't mean Microsoft is to blame for you failing to take the time to review the updates and decide which ones you want.

The reason it shows up as an update is because its part of Windows. Therefore, if there is an update available it will be offered to you. If you don't want it, decline it when you install your other updates. You can also opt not to have the IE7 update offered to you again.

People who fail to see it as a choice are just too lazy to un-check a box. Microsoft couldn't make it more of a choice if they tried.

I really don't care what MAC does, lets not go down that road. The problem is that the IE7 will show up in the critical list even after the Do Not Remind me is selected. Once time should be enough. Now here is the fun fact, you have to look over at MSDN on how to permanentely block it...which breaks afer you make another update and you are BACK to SQ 1.

I don't care what percent IE has because that will not convince me to switch back. I will stay with my Firefox regardless of what others are doing. I like my Firefox and the extensions.

Pretty sure a lot of people still uses IE, I know a lot of people who aren't a computer geek like me and barely use a computer 20mins a day to check their email, browse a few website, do some online banking/shopping prefer an IE, they aren't going to bother adapting to a new browser, IE comes with windows, Windows Media player comes with windows, directx comes with windows, they're getting better, no pain to setup, who needs alternative?

If you need alternative, you're either a fanboy or you're trying too hard to be different, that's how they want you to look.

Million of people are going to switch to vista, mililon of people are going to use IE, like it or not. A lot of people use a computer just for the sake of "Using" it. Not bashing or supporting anyone here, but just stating some of the obvious.

Lawrens said,
If you need alternative, you're either a fanboy or you're trying too hard to be different, that's how they want you to look.

Huh? What if you don't or even can't run Windows? What alternatives do you have?

IE users should be happy that Firefox captured 10% of the browser market, it made Microsoft work on their browser again (a Good Thing).

Maybe in IE8, Microsoft will add deeper extensibility and customization support. That's the main area I find IE 7 is still lacking at. Firefox proved that deep extensibility support doesn't have to imply a geeky thing about writing in text files. Unfortunately, IE's "extensions" (often called add-ons) are often a far cry from Firefox's, and I'm not blaming the add-on devs for it, but IE's support for it via open API's.

I don't think this is the case everywhere, for example my neighbour upgraded to IE 7 and absolutely hated the interface, he knew about Firefox and switched because it was more like the IE 6 layout he was used to and prefered.

UKer said,
I don't think this is the case everywhere, for example my neighbour upgraded to IE 7 and absolutely hated the interface, he knew about Firefox and switched because it was more like the IE 6 layout he was used to and prefered.

It isn't the case everywhere. Even on Janco's site they list OVERALL IE marketshare as declining from 76% to 70% while Firefox has gained 2% in the same period. W3schools tells a similar story: IE marketshare is declining.

I'm not a FF "fanboy". I use FF because it works great. I LOVE having customizable themes and all the wonderful extensions! Browsing wouldn't be the same without FF to me. How long did it take MS to just add tabbed browsing to IE??

I bet the majority of ff downloads are by those that want it for checking webs they've built.

MSIE is still the daddy of them all.

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

According to those statistics Firefox usage is still on the rise. IE7 introduction has mostly eroded IE6 user base while Firefox has enjoyed a slow but steady pace of growth. Not everyone here is "an over rated fanboy" for using Microsoft operating systems or products are we corky? I like Firefox for the fact it can be configured with themes and extensions and provides the same functionality that I'm used to across all operating systems that I use. Replying to this comment in FF 2.0.0.3 from FreeBSD 6.1 w/ KDE at the moment.

You do realize that w3schools site is only tracking visitiors to their one site. That is an interesting stat, but not statistically relevant to global marketshare, I am afraid.

Yes, W3schools is first of all unrelated to the W3 organization, and second of all only representing the browser share of a highly niched market -- web developers that need to test sites against multiple browsers. So it's not really representative for the market at large at all. Low market share browsers will *always* see a skewed share on that site for natural reasons.

Wikipedia has a good collection of data, and for good reasons skip the tutorial site W3schools:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers

For everyone there with data in Q1 2007:
- TheCounter.com shows slightly down for IE, slightly up for Firefox.
- OneStat.com shows slightly up for IE, slightly down for Firefox.
- ADTECH shows a sharply down for IE, quite sharply up for Firefox.
- Net Applications shows slightly down for IE, slightly up for Firefox.

So there you have that anyway... 1 in these 4 shows increasing IE usage. In all cases, it's hard to say which browser is "stealing" users from which. At these differences at fractions of percentages, one must even take browsers like Opera and Safari into account too.

The ADTECH data is interesting because it's mostly representative for Europe only, and Europe has traditionally had a bit higher Firefox market adoption.

So, in other words, Microsoft would like you to believe that IE7 is the greatest thing since sliced bread and that more people are moving to it than are moving to Firefox, but the facts just don't support that.

"Has IE turned back Firefox?"
No. All the report means is that 3% of users who previously weren't using either IE or Firefox are now using IE. Meaning they were using something else until Windows Update gave them IE7 and they either haven't noticed, don't care, or prefer IE7 to whatever they were using previously. Firefox hasn't so much stalled as not had the auto-push advantage of IE.

Majority of users don't even care what browser are they using if that browser does what they need.I personally use firefox but have IE7 too for sites that do not work with FF well.Not everyone on the globe is educated about pros and contras of IE and FF.Actually they don't care.

microsoft is always pushing software in the computer of others...

and for Cork1958: For anybody with any real intelligence...

everybody know's that the most users don't know **** about which is beter and which is not so that's why microsoft IE is still the most used because it is pushed through the windows update system....( that sucks)
The real smart people under us, they controle there PC's and there windows update. So they still don't have IE7 installed or have it installed but have Firefox relocated as the main browser of there machine. that's where it's all about. real smart people do search for better software instade of beleaving that only microsoft makes the best software...

HDW-mobile said,
microsoft is always pushing software in the computer of others...

and for Cork1958: For anybody with any real intelligence...

everybody know's that the most users don't know **** about which is beter and which is not so that's why microsoft IE is still the most used because it is pushed through the windows update system....( that sucks)
The real smart people under us, they controle there PC's and there windows update. So they still don't have IE7 installed or have it installed but have Firefox relocated as the main browser of there machine. that's where it's all about. real smart people do search for better software instade of beleaving that only microsoft makes the best software...

i'm sorry but i like to think of me as somewhat intelligent and I use ie7 as main browser, not everyone likes firefox you know. Nothing to do with intelligence, they both have their pros and cons

microsoft is always pushing software in the computer of others...

Most people would never get IE7 if it wasn't automatic. Are you trying to tell me that it would have been better to leave them with IE6?

For anybody with any real intelligence, IE has always been ahead of Firefox. Firefox is nothing more than an over rated fanboy program.

I'd rather say it is a nice frontend for many great extensions, but without the community (read: extensions) it'd be nothing more than just a plain alternative.

cork1958 said,
For anybody with any real intelligence, IE has always been ahead of Firefox. Firefox is nothing more than an over rated fanboy program.

If Firefox is a fanboy program, you're a testicle.

If we were talking about FF vs IE6, I would disagree slightly. Now that IE7 is out, I actually pretty much agree with that (minus the attack on intelligence). And keep in mind, I say this having converted to IE7 from FF just this last January after having used FF religously for over two years, and even promoting FF over IE during that time. IE7 is different, and, IMO, better.

I think the fanboy comment is directed at the fact that, like a lot of Apple users, FF users tend to take criticism of FF as if it were a personal attack on themselves and it doesn't really show FF in a good light when they respond to it (I'm not pointing out any of you in here).

-Spenser

Symphony said,
I'd rather say it is a nice frontend for many great extensions, but without the community (read: extensions) it'd be nothing more than just a plain alternative.

Yes, you're right. Regardless, there IS a large community pumping out tons of extensions. Firefox has always been intended to be a relatively plain, simple browser. That's not a fault, it's a benefit. However, through the use of the abundant number of extensions produced, Firefox is the most powerful browser on the market.

So, let's see... I have an option of having a browser that can do TONS of things no other browser can do, EVERYTHING other browsers can do, and NO "extra" features I won't ever use? I honestly can't see why anyone would prefer anything else over Firefox.


I used to use FF, but then I experienced Opera 9.10, its speed and usefulness, and I haven't used FF or IE7 since.

cork1958 said,
For anybody with any real intelligence, IE has always been ahead of Firefox. Firefox is nothing more than an over rated fanboy program.

ROFL, Firefox is 100% better then IE, always has been always will be. Firefox was better when IE was just a sperm lol

toadeater said,

Using Firefox to read this, and laughing at your FUD.


Ive used Firefox too and I switched back instantly. FF is much slower loading that IE(7) and IE7 brings all I need to the table.


Im laughing at you for needing to install another browser just so you e-penis grows...

I tried both Firefox and IE7. Personally, I like Firefox much more than IE7.
I use Firefox at home. But, I am forced to use IE7 at office since it is build-in the windows and my company disallow me to install any software, like Firefox.
So, IE7 has higher popularity unwillingly.

cork1958 said,
For anybody with any real intelligence, IE has always been ahead of Firefox. Firefox is nothing more than an over rated fanboy program.

There wouldn't have even been an IE7 if FF hadn't appeared and started eating into MS's market share. Someone had to show them that you can't just rest on your laurels.

shouldn't that be the other way round. Anybody with any real intelligence probably isn't using IE. Not saying Firefox is the main item. Firefox and Opera are 99% more stable than IE 7. I've tried IE 7 on 2 different Dell models, my custom built, my brothers custom built, dads emachines, mom's HP. And all of those ran into major problems running IE 7. Never ran into one single major problem with Opera yet. Firefox is next.