HD DVD vendors drop prices

It would appear that the HD DVD camp is leading a price war against its Blu-ray counterpart, which so far, appears to be winning the HD format war. At the IFA international consumer electronics show, the HD DVD Promotional Group announced that next month the market will see a range of entry-level players priced at around €300 ($409), which is nearly half of what many entry models in Europe currently cost.

On top of that, Canada's Venturer Electronics plans to launch its SHD-7000 player at around €300 next month, while Toshiba will offer its HD-EP30 model for around €350. In the fourth quarter, Toshiba will begin equipping its notebook PCs with HD DVD drives. Contrary to previous reports, there doesn't seem to be any information regarding sub $200 HD DVD players, although in such a vicious format war, I would not be surprised if something of the sort to happened by Christmas.

News source: InfoWorld

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Was wonderind why all of you call a Blue Ray a BD it actually a BR right???

and BlueRay all the way..... hough HD.DVD sounds better.

blu-ray still has movies in mpeg 2 codec but for the ones in VC-1 there is hardly any difference between HD-DVd and Blu-ray. and yes Interactivity Matters allot to some people cause some people like the extra info provided. and so what if YOU did not USE them somewhat interactive features on DVD your not the rest of the world. anyways enough when we can buy a DualFormat player that does it all and meets each SPEC of each format to a T then it will be a mute issue for what is better

I don't believe it has anything to do with capacity, it just depends on studio support. If your format has the movies I like, then thats what i'm going with. I can't tell the difference in video quality between the Best HD and Bluray, nor do I can for extra features.

the Spec is not finished cause if it was they would not be realing BD 1.1 spec and adding many many features HD-DVD has had since launch

HD DVD features like?

Less capacity?
Less bandwidth?
Less discs with lossless audio?
Less studio support?
Less electronics makers support?
Less retail support?
Less rental support?
Less computer industry support?

Face it ***interactivity doesn't matter***. DVD has interactive features. NO ONE USED THEM.

People buy MOVIES. Do you really think the majority of folks are going to buy a movie for PiP commentary? Or that you can put a map overlay in Miami Vice or pick out a certain car in Fast & The Furious Tokyo Drift?

No. They want the best picture and sound quality. Blu-ray has that.
They want to watch Disney movies. They want Spider-Man. Ratatouille. Live Free or Die Hard. All Blu-ray exclusive.

There is no real reason to support HD DVD, plain and simple, unless you want HD media to fail and let Microsoft win with lower quality, higher priced downloads that you can't own.

ummm no Blu-ray player except for PS3 to my knowledge has not a single capable internet connection port via wireless nore Ethernet port so i fail to see how it can be updated via internet

Simple.

Most people have PCs.

You download it from the net. Burn it to CD/DVD. Load disc into player.

Simple....and by the way if you have ethernet available for HD DVD you sure as hell have a PC somewhere.

Besides, if you read around the 'net Blu-ray players usually don't have the same issues like HD DVD players. They WORK. They are actual playback units, not modified laptops.
How many times have you firmware updated your DVD player? I'm betting ZERO.
Blu-ray players are the same way because when a spec is finished, it's DONE.

Not like a Microsoft supported product like HD DVD that needs patches almost as often as Windows Vista.

ok tell me so to get a BD player update you must download it to your computer then you must burn it to a disk of 1 kind or another how ever big the update is and then you put in the DVD player and run the update ..... exactly to many steps for consumers to worry about so with HD-DVd updates automatically regardless via internet. but anyways Also when is iad cheaper i meant as while it is less money by a small amount to create the disk HD-DVds can be made in the same batch of regaler DVds on the same equipment where ass Blu-ray requires separate systems for that job.


i found this article on the replicating cost and as you can see BD media is more costly to replicate for


http://wesleytech.com/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd-re...yzed-again/113/


i found this article on the replicating cost and as you can see BD media is more costly to replicate for


http://wesleytech.com/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd-re...yzed-again/113/


From your own article (and studios don't replicate tiny batches BTW):

Blu-ray does NOT cost significantly more than HD DVD
Using the pricing data and example calculations in this article we can make a few conclusions on replication costs at this plant. Replicating on HD DVD SL (15GB) will always be the most inexpensive option at any quantity. Replicating on Blu-ray DL (50GB) will always be the most expensive option. But the pricing of the other two media types (HD DVD DL and Blu-ray SL) is where the most interesting information is. Looking at the pricing and calculated data we can conclude that replicating content on the Blu-ray format is not significantly more costly than HD DVD. In fact, replicating on Blu-ray SL (25GB) can actually be less expensive than replicating on HD DVD DL (30GB). Hopefully this article will help to dispell the myth that Blu-ray disc replication is significantly more expensive than HD DVD replication. If you have any comments please post them in the reply section of this article below and thank you for reading.

Are you even paying attention? He doesn't even mention combo discs, which blow the costs for all the others out of the water. For movies AT RETAIL you pay either the same or more for HD DVD. Want "300"? It will cost you $5 more than the Blu-ray.

I find folks that don't understand the industry tend to favor HD DVD.

You can update any BD drive via internet or order a disc. In fact, it wasn't until recently that the HD DVD units could be updated via internet! You HAD to get a disc from Toshiba!
Updates aren't automatic either for HD DVD.

Cost isn't an issue, especially when you're talking about a state of the art high end product. Early adopters DO NOT buy the cheapest crap out there. DVD players were still more expensive than Blu-ray players at this time in 1998. I've been in electronics for 25 years. This is the way the industry works, the same industry that chose Blu-ray. Panasonic. Philips. Pioneer. Hitachi. Mitsubishi. Sharp. Sony. Yamaha. Apple. Dell. They all support Blu-ray exclusively. So you can have your cheap crappy Venture player or your Toshiba. Or the other Toshiba. Or perhaps a Toshiba. How about that Toshiba?

Some consumers assume higher priced format means better witch it does not mean better all the time . but the way i see it is now that Paramount and Dreamworks have went all HD-DVD is that other movies studios will do the same at some point. and then people no matter what will have hardly no choice. i really dont see b;u-ray doing so hot this christmas cause the new blu-ray spec 1.1 or what ever is coming but everyone with 1st and 2nd genration Blu-ray players are gonna be left in the dust because they wont be able to support any new content new movies on the format offer witch means they will have 3 choices choice 1: Deal with it and regret paying for the price of that format assumeing it wasa better format just cause it was more costly and might be better or 2: ditch the format and go HD-DVD cause it is cheaper and will always support newer specs and contents Via Firmware updates or 3: spend the extsra money to replace your 4 month old player for a new one witch better features and more features yet pay more money possiable.


it all comes down to price tho and price does not determine to a 100% that it is a better and it never should cause sometimes paying more is better Sometimes but not all the time .

Sad fact is that even with 1.1 BD sill isn't finalized and there WILL e further upgrades, particularly on the still unfinished Java interactive content part. And since BD players still don't require network, chances are you new 1.1 players, when they come, will be outdated again and won't support the latest content again in another few months as they work to finish the format. BD should just have kept working with Toshiba and HD-DVD before the release and used iHD, maybe we could have had players of HD-DVD cost and media with BD capacity and a finished format like HD-DVD. but since they couldn't give up awesome solutions like region coding and the more restrictive implementation of the copy protection...

Sales of 300 (2:1 Blu-ray) means that interactivity standards mean crap as far as sales.

And all HD DVD has is somewhat (currently) better interactivity and cheaper players, both temporary advantages.

Finished format? You mean patent grab by Toshiba. Meanwhile the rest of the industry supported BD.

Region coding and better copy protection is why studios like Fox and Disney ignore HD DVD. Meanwhile HD DVD has to bribe other studios like Paramount because the market has decided BD.

PeterTHX said,
Sales of 300 (2:1 Blu-ray) means that interactivity standards mean crap as far as sales.

And all HD DVD has is somewhat (currently) better interactivity and cheaper players, both temporary advantages.

Finished format? You mean patent grab by Toshiba. Meanwhile the rest of the industry supported BD.

Region coding and better copy protection is why studios like Fox and Disney ignore HD DVD. Meanwhile HD DVD has to bribe other studios like Paramount because the market has decided BD.


Who said it had to Bribe them i mean it is easy to see HD-DVd is cheaper to manufacture and easy to produce movies on and it has more interactivity and alot of other things, i mean the other user was right Blu-ray is an unfinished Spec system and to get new features you must go buy new hardware witch can be costly. From day 1 till the end of HD-DVD 6 years 8 years from now who knows when it will the first model will still be capable for any new features as it is able to have FW updates via the internet while 1ns and 2nd generation BD hardware cant. Now the Sales of 1 movie is really nothing because you could say DVD had mores sales on that movie cause not everyone has a HD-DVD or BD player yet they have standard DVD players, now Paramount and Dreakworks went HD-DVD for a few reasons and those e are that is is cheaper to make and they can add more to a disk for interactivity to give people control on how they watch their movie and also the fact it uses the same production methods as DVD so they dont need whole new Factory to produce the disk like with BD format.


now Paramount and Dreakworks went HD-DVD for a few reasons and those e are that is is cheaper to make and they can add more to a disk for interactivity to give people control on how they watch their movie and also the fact it uses the same production methods as DVD so they dont need whole new Factory to produce the disk like with BD format.

FUD at its finest.

BD25s are exactly 15 cents more than a HD DVD 15.

BD50s are 50 cents more.

HD DVD *combos* on the other hand are $1.50 more per disk. "300" and every other combo title are at least $5 more at retail.

Interactivity? Paramount never used it! They used IME (picture in picture commentary) on exactly ONE title: Mission Impossible III.

The NEW YORK TIMES, Wall Street Journal, LA Times, etc all published articles on how Viacom (Paramount's owners) got $150 MILLION incentive to sign a 18 month exclusivity contract. Not to mention since Steven Spielberg is solidly Blu-ray that they have to release his films in BOTH formats. That means Indiana Jones IV will be Blu-ray next year contract or not.

All BD players have firmware updates.

Talk about new hardware, most HD DVD people are on their second or third player since it takes a minute and a half just to insert a disc on 1st gen hardware which were nothing more than modified laptops! Talk about unfinished!

The market has spoken. Price? I suppose the iPod is the cheapest MP3 player too. Oops!

It would appear that the HD DVD camp is leading a price war against its Blu-ray counterpart, which so far, appears to be winning the HD format war.

What a load of spin!

So HD DVD is now "in the lead" because they have been forced to lower prices in order to appeal to the confused consumers stuck between Blu-Ray and HD DVD? I assume actual sales (which Blu-Ray has most of) has no influence on "taking the lead" then?

Lt-DavidW said,

What a load of spin!

So HD DVD is now "in the lead" because they have been forced to lower prices in order to appeal to the confused consumers stuck between Blu-Ray and HD DVD? I assume actual sales (which Blu-Ray has most of) has no influence on "taking the lead" then? :rolleyes:

HD-DVD has always been lower price then Blu-ray format in players and in some movies

notuptome2004 said,

HD-DVD has always been lower price then Blu-ray format in players and in some movies

But that is my point! The format does not automatically take the lead simply because it is the cheapest. A format takes the lead when it has most sales. Blu-Ray has the most sales, therefore it is ignorant for this article to claim HD DVD is "leading" based on price alone, neglecting the actual sales figures.

We can use this same information and arrive at a completely different (but just as valid) conclusion: Blu-Ray is currently more expensive and is still outselling HD DVD, therefore most consumers are obviously backing Blu-Ray, not HD DVD.

notuptome2004 said,
HD-DVD has always been lower price then Blu-ray format in players and in some movies

Most of the HD DVD tiles I have seen are $5 more than the BD version.

The post doesn't say HD-DVD is outselling Blu-ray. The article is saying the HD-DVD players are being made available cheaper than Blu-ray players. That doesn't imply that HD-DVD is suddenly going to outsell Blu-ray. Just that the players for HD-DVD are cheaper to buy.

Overall the 360 addon allows more and IMO i dont think Blue Ray would have any chance... HDDVD is region Free... thats why i always import my dvd's Quality is no doute the best i have seen and i would not be willing to try the blue ray and have to worry about the whole region thing... good thing about HD

A great number of blu-ray titles are also region free and I'm also importing from the US because with shipping included discs are still cheaper than what they cost here in Europe. Fox is the only that enforces every title with region coding, but warner doesn't, most disney/bv titles are region free, and the same can be said for sony titles.
I wish that some day they realize region encoding is stupid and release all the titles region free.

Already got mine...

Paid $179 for the Xbox360 HD-DVD addon...and there's a mailin rebate offer for 5 free HD-DVD movies.

Watched King Kong and Bourne Identity with it already, and I'm highly impressed with the quality.

Would have been nicer if they designed the 360 with HD-DVD built in from the beginning.

dmeyer said,
Already got mine...

Paid $179 for the Xbox360 HD-DVD addon...and there's a mailin rebate offer for 5 free HD-DVD movies.

Watched King Kong and Bourne Identity with it already, and I'm highly impressed with the quality.

Would have been nicer if they designed the 360 with HD-DVD built in from the beginning.


If the 360 had been designed with HD-DVD from the beginning, HD-DVD would undoubtedly be dominating the market.

Xilo said,

If the 360 had been designed with HD-DVD from the beginning, HD-DVD would undoubtedly be dominating the market.

HDDVD included = increased cost. I doubt 360's market share would be as great if it costs similarly to PS3.

off-topic, any of you with a 360 hd-dvd addon know if that can be hooked up to a pc to watch films? i'm not interested in getting a 360 but i wouldn't mind the player.

PinkShirtGuy said,
off-topic, any of you with a 360 hd-dvd addon know if that can be hooked up to a pc to watch films? i'm not interested in getting a 360 but i wouldn't mind the player.

im using it right now :D. microsoft has vista drivers on windowsupdate

PinkShirtGuy said,
off-topic, any of you with a 360 hd-dvd addon know if that can be hooked up to a pc to watch films? i'm not interested in getting a 360 but i wouldn't mind the player.

just plugs in via usb, voila, windows recognizes it. i use PowerDVD Ultra and connect my computer w/ vga to my tv. very awesome and the price is right.