HP dumps webOS business

In a surprise move, HP has confirmed that it will be shutting down nearly all of its webOS division, effectively closing the doors on both its Pre smartphones and its recently released HP TouchPad. This news would seem to confirm earlier reports that sales of the TouchPad tablet, which debuted on July 1, have been poor despite a huge marketing and promotion effort by HP. In the press release, the company said, "HP will continue to explore options to optimize the value of webOS software going forward."

HP acquired the webOS platform when it purchased the Palm smartphone company for $1.2 billion in 2010. HP has been promoting its expansion of webOS to other products, including PCs, in the last several months. As recently as last June, HP hinted that it might license the webOS platform to third party product makers. However, this new development would seem to be the last straw for the operating system which could have been a serious competitor to other smartphone operating systems such as Android and Apple's iOS

HP has also confirmed that is is in discussions to purchase the UK-based software company Autonomy and is also "authorized the exploration of strategic alternatives for its Personal Systems Group (PSG)" which is how HP labels its PC business. HP also announced that revenues for its last financial quarter that ended on July 31 came in at $31.2 billion, slightly higher than the $30.7 billion it recorded from the same period a year ago.

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I wouldn't mind nabbing one if it's $50 or less. I'm not so much of an app or gaming nut; it has a Facebook app, has Flash and does video calls. That's all I would need anyway. Now we wait for falling prices...

Failed.

They just gave up. And give up No 1 spot in PC Business is probably another stupid move.

They should have not bought Palm in the first place. It was dying.

Of course. HP ran the iPaq (from Compaq) business into the ground. I figured the same would happen with Palm within a year. Viola!

Of course HP failed. Too big and unwieldy. Only agile companies can thrive in the mobile space. MSFT is just "not big" enough to potentially pull off some winners with WP7 and Windows 8 on tablets.

Well that was a worthwhile purchase...

A shame really though. A lot of people seem to like the OS. It's a shame HP ever got involved. I predicted it wouldn't go well and I'm really sorry to have been right...

The future predictions from IDC and Gartner put their market share for 2015 in "others". That was their first cue.

Didn't expect it quite that fast, but not at all surprised. HP should stick to what they do best. THE LASERJET! Everything systematically stinks! ESPECIALLY the software and out of box experiences on their pc's. Actually the PC hardware is quite good, but they can't do software or tech support for the life of them. I can't wait for the Microsoft stores to stick it to these dumbass manufacturers that keep trying to make a few extra bucks by cramming crap onto new PC's....

One extra reason to kill it off may be, because they wouldn't have been able to compete with Windows 8.
At least now we know their will be a Windows 8 slate from them.

lol.. and here's what happens when you think you can replace an OS that's been developed for 25 years (Windows) by something that was created for mobile phones and updated for a year to be installed on "everything". The people who manage this company should be ashamed for being so incompetent.

So sad webOS was a fantastic OS, if it was combined with a top of the range hardware and proper marketing then you'd have a winner. Sadly it was stuck with shoddy hardware and poorly marketed. I've owned blackberry, android and iphone and webos phones and webos was by far my favourite but the hardware was so poor on my palm pre i ended up ditching for an iphone 4 and the difference in build quality couldn't have been more stark

hobsgrg said,
So sad webOS was a fantastic OS, if it was combined with a top of the range hardware and proper marketing then you'd have a winner. Sadly it was stuck with shoddy hardware and poorly marketed. I've owned blackberry, android and iphone and webos phones and webos was by far my favourite but the hardware was so poor on my palm pre i ended up ditching for an iphone 4 and the difference in build quality couldn't have been more stark
You are absolutely right. I was not expecting this! It is sad they gave up without a proper fight and just so quickly.
But good thing they decided/corrected their direction quickly.

Palm and HP should have made bigger size smart phones, those phones should have had a minimum of 3.8 screen size. what the hell were then thinking creating just the Pre, Pixi and Veer. When I first saw WebOs I wanted a phone running that OS but sadly only the Pre came out.

I waited on them for more than one full year b4 I got my windows phone and now i'm happy. Hopefully they can do something with such a beautiful OS.

wetworker said,
I waited on them for more than one full year b4 I got my windows phone and now i'm happy. Hopefully they can do something with such a beautiful OS.

IMHO: Damn it would be so cool if HP started releasing WP7-phones with Touchstones!

MFH said,

IMHO: Damn it would be so cool if HP started releasing WP7-phones with Touchstones!
You are right! I didn't thought about that. I guess Microsoft has one big old partner again.

'HP Windows Phone 7'

I sure like the sound of it!

FMH said,
You are right! I didn't thought about that. I guess Microsoft has one big old partner again.

Next week: "HP announces new Windows Home Servers"^^
Honestly: Hardware-wise the Touchstone was one of the main aspects of webOS, that I liked…

MFH said,

Next week: "HP announces new Windows Home Servers"^^
Honestly: Hardware-wise the Touchstone was one of the main aspects of webOS, that I liked…
I think the OS was the trend-setter here. We have thinner, prettier and more powerful phones than it. But the OS was truly elegant.

Faisal Islam said,
SO their HP Slate will get Windows 8 and phones will get Windows Phone ..oh god...finally

or:
They continue on selling PCs and drop the phone business all together…

zikalify said,
Why didn't they open source it, its a damn nice OS....
Ohh.... now their is something I didn't know! I thought it was open-source.

FMH said,
Ohh.... now their is something I didn't know! I thought it was open-source.

Nope it's Android-like: webOS uses Linux
But webOS doesn't pretend to be OS!

HP gave up too soon, makes them look like they are too concerned with making a quick profit only.

KeR said,
HP gave up too soon, makes them look like they are too concerned with making a quick profit only.

Or correcting their direction quickly?

It is a bold move that just may pay off. Like how Microsoft pulled the plugged on WM6 and started afresh. And have a much better product now, which is waiting to come into mainstream.

Stewart Gilligan Griffin said,
Maybe its time for this CEO to go, a few bad decisions lately.....

This CEO didn't make any of these decisions without the board of directors signing off.

On that note, when CEO after CEO after CEO can't make a company like HP work, the problem is endemic and comes from above...namely, the aforementioned board.

Something is rotten in the state of HP and it looks like no CEO on Earth can fix it.

excalpius said,

This CEO didn't make any of these decisions without the board of directors signing off.

On that note, when CEO after CEO after CEO can't make a company like HP work, the problem is endemic and comes from above...namely, the aforementioned board.

Something is rotten in the state of HP and it looks like no CEO on Earth can fix it.

time for the shareholders to vote the board out...

Stewart Gilligan Griffin said,
Maybe its time for this CEO to go, a few bad decisions lately.....
It was the ex-CEO Mark Hurd, who proposed and bought Palm company. The one who is an Oracle president now.
I have read on business websites that Léo Apotheker is a very 'realistic' CEO, and one who knows how to lead a team. Investors are really happy with him. He has made some very realistic and achievable goals for HP, and has a sound plan to make it a reality. WebOS is a glaring exception in this case. He was EXTREMELY ambitious about it and was criticized for it. He arguably did the right thing about it.
But good thing HP came back to Windows 8 and Windows Phone, because they aren't killing the hardware, only WebOS.

LOL, WebOS is starting to become the modern Amiga or BeOS. It is a very nice OS that will probably change hands several more times before people simply give up on it ever becoming a viable platform again. It would be interesting to see them open-source the whole thing, but I really doubt that would ever happen.

Whoaa! - They tried for like 2 minutes then gave up? Microsoft has been underdog for so long now and they still at it. Google was too for a while then the finally got on top of the smartphone market but that was say 18months or so later.

SHoTTa35 said,
Whoaa! - They tried for like 2 minutes then gave up? Microsoft has been underdog for so long now and they still at it. Google was too for a while then the finally got on top of the smartphone market but that was say 18months or so later.

Microsoft and Google have financial resources (and the commitment to invest them) that HP apparently does not.

excalpius said,

Microsoft and Google have financial resources (and the commitment to invest them) that HP apparently does not.

HP decline started when they hired Carly Fiorina; 30 years from now the case of how such a dumb and arrogant individual was able to climb so high and become HP CEO
will still be a case study in business scjhools. Hewlett and Packard are revolting in their grave witnessing how a company that was the Rolls Royce of computing hardware was so quickly destroyed.

excalpius said,

Microsoft and Google have financial resources (and the commitment to invest them) that HP apparently does not.


No HP does have the financial resources with them:
Revenue---- $ 126 billion
Operating income--- $ 11.479 billion
Total asset------ US$ 124.500 billion
Total equity------ US$ 40.781 billion

Plus they have 324,600 number of employees!
(All figures for year 2010)

FMH said,
They choose to use them wisely.

By dropping the mobile space and maybe even the PC. So HP == the next IBM? What's left except for printers and servers/workstations?

MFH said,

By dropping the mobile space and maybe even the PC. So HP == the next IBM? What's left except for printers and servers/workstations?

HP products:-

-Computer Monitors
-Digital Cameras
-Enterprise Software
-Indigo Digital Press
-Networking
-Personal Digital Assistants
-Calculators
-Printers
-Scanners
-Servers
-Storage
-Televisions
-Telecommunications hardware and software

And now they want to go into more softwares and services by buying the Autonomy Corporation.

FMH said,

HP products:-

-Computer Monitors
-Digital Cameras
-Enterprise Software
-Indigo Digital Press
-Networking
-Personal Digital Assistants
-Calculators
-Printers
-Scanners
-Servers
-Storage
-Televisions
-Telecommunications hardware and software

And now they want to go into more softwares and services by buying the Autonomy Corporation.

The issue is not what HP makes but how these items are built:

In the good old days '80s and '90s HP printers were the best, light years ahead of competition......... nowadays no more.

It is really a pity.......

Fritzly said,

The issue is not what HP makes but how these items are built:

In the good old days '80s and '90s HP printers were the best, light years ahead of competition......... nowadays no more.

It is really a pity.......

They will still sell almost 15 million printers this year, in this digital age.

I remember talking with someone on the forum about the TouchPad and he said he bought it because the device had "great potential." I wonder what he thinks of his purchase now...

DukeEsquire said,
I remember talking with someone on the forum about the TouchPad and he said he bought it because the device had "great potential." I wonder what he thinks of his purchase now...

It has/had potential, but HP finally realized that to establish a platform you have to heavily invest. And it seems that they decided that it's not worth it…

Doesn't change the fact that webOS had potential. It's kinda like BeOS; it also had potential, but wasn't successful. Speaking about BeOS, HP owns the rights to this one to - Be Inc. was bought by Palm…

MFH said,

It has/had potential, but HP finally realized that to establish a platform you have to heavily invest. And it seems that they decided that it's not worth it…

Doesn't change the fact that webOS had potential. It's kinda like BeOS; it also had potential, but wasn't successful. Speaking about BeOS, HP owns the rights to this one to - Be Inc. was bought by Palm…

Every thing in the world as "great potential". However, I'd much rather buy something based on current value rather than speculated future value.

DukeEsquire said,

Every thing in the world as "great potential". However, I'd much rather buy something based on current value rather than speculated future value.


I doubt that everything has potential, but you're entitled to buy whatever you want.

Wooh… Just after rumors on "dropping" the PC they drop webOS.

On the one hand I'm glad I stayed away from webOS - gonna go the Microsoft-route now (WP7 + W8-slate). On the other it's sad as I consider webOS to be among the best mobile systems ever designed…

It's a tough market, especially considering how late they are to the game. A lot of people have already invested in their chosen platform. If you're going to try and get people to ditch that (and their paid apps) to invest in another, it has to be better than what they currently have.

Makes sense, the tablet craze started after Apply released the ipad but most people were not interested in tablets, just ipads. Google has also made headway, but I doubt the tablet market is going to grow as big as PCs.

helios01 said,
Makes sense, the tablet craze started after Apply released the ipad but most people were not interested in tablets, just ipads. Google has also made headway, but I doubt the tablet market is going to grow as big as PCs.

It will once there is a proper Windows OS running on it. Then people can use these new touch tablets as more than just expensive toys (like my iPad is).

excalpius said,

It will once there is a proper Windows OS running on it. Then people can use these new touch tablets as more than just expensive toys (like my iPad is).


Man I hope at least some of those W8-devices will have support for ink!

MFH said,

Man I hope at least some of those W8-devices will have support for ink!

that question goes to manufacturers, whether they'll add wacom or other digitizer in their W8 tablets.
because there is possibility that just about everyone of them will not even think about it, and that would be very sad. I lost my hopes already for a decent replacement of my Tecra M7 in terms of display resolution, never saw any other Tablet PC with at least 1440x900 and somewhat decent performance.
and by the way, if wacom will not release drivers for ARM W8 tablets, then naturally no one going to use it, in slates at least.

х.iso said,
and by the way, if wacom will not release drivers for ARM W8 tablets, then naturally no one going to use it, in slates at least.

I would accept x86 based slates as long as they support inking…

Fritzly said,

+100 I love Ink on my Tablet PC.


I once had a thread on the forum - I was searching for a slate to use for inking…
Never found a real solution, hope that situation will change with W8…

HP was the only company that controlled both the hardware and software from top to bottom outside of Apple. I think they had a good chance at having something that matched the iPhone/iPad because of that control and it's a shame we're losing that. Even if you never planned to use a WebOS device, having a high quality alternative to iOS and Android (and eventually Windows, I hope) was good for everyone.

evn. said,
HP was the only company that controlled both the hardware and software from top to bottom outside of Apple. I think they had a good chance at having something that matched the iPhone/iPad because of that control and it's a shame we're losing that. Even if you never planned to use a WebOS device, having a high quality alternative to iOS and Android (and eventually Windows, I hope) was good for everyone.
That's an interesting point that I think a lot of people will miss. I will never miss HP's PC business, from their bloatware to their high hardware failure rate, but I will miss the possible contender for the iPad from a vertically dominated player like Apple (aside from actual manufacturing, they control the entire vertical stack).

HP apparently choked. They wanted to turn that $1.2 billion around far too quickly, and they clearly dropped the ball along the way. WebOS is a truly a great OS; if not for the phone, I would have loved to own a WebOS phone (the Pre felt cheap, it was too small for me, and I did not want a physical keyboard). It just never had great hardware to go with it. Being a fifth player with third party hardware, I do not except it to ever catch up except maybe in appliances and in-car devices as other sites have mentioned.

It would be interesting to see Blackberry pick it up and merge the good of Blackberry with WebOS. They could make a comeback if they did it well.

Seriously. Apple once stated that they would be happy with a 1% mobile market share. I'm pretty sure that Palm has 3.3%, and the small group of developers they do have are extremely dedicated. I don't understand why they would want to kill it off like that.

DrakeN2k said,
Wow hope the 1.2 bl they spent was worth it

That $1.2billion was cheap for any Palm IP they now have, you don't see Apple suing HP over WebOS do you? That says enough imo.

greenwizard88 said,
Seriously. Apple once stated that they would be happy with a 1% mobile market share. I'm pretty sure that Palm has 3.3%, and the small group of developers they do have are extremely dedicated. I don't understand why they would want to kill it off like that.

they are looking to the future.. its like saying why should RIM be worried cause they have 33% of the world market for smartphones... its because when your shrinking you got to cut your losses somewhere

DrakeN2k said,
Wow hope the 1.2 bl they spent was worth it


HP CFO Cathie Lesjack spelled out just how poorly during today's conference call. WebOS' division lost $322 million during fiscal third quarter. "We would expect an even larger loss for webos in Q4", she said. "Essentially, TouchPad and WebOS phones have not met our financial targets". She added: "With such a young ecosystem and poorly received hardware, we were unable to meet our target"; she called further investment in WebOS hardware a "risk without clear returns".


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Maybe HP sees something better and can't talk about it. Microsoft plans to formally unveil Windows 8 during next month's BUILD conference. The tablet is one of the new operating system's most-important targeted devices. Windows 8 is expected to be a full desktop operating system on tablets, which would resonate much better with HP's enterprise focus.

Extract from: http://www.betanews.com/joewil...ry-PlayBook-next/1313697454

Julius Caro said,
Damn, that went quick. So they ditch webOS yet the universe still allows that messy blackberry OS to still exist

The universe has no problem with an OS that works reliably, SECURELY, and does whatever it is asked of it on the current generations of phones.

Not everything is about the eye candy when many use their blackberries to work for a living. 8)

excalpius said,

The universe has no problem with an OS that works reliably, SECURELY, and does whatever it is asked of it on the current generations of phones.

Not everything is about the eye candy when many use their blackberries to work for a living. 8)


But the new BlackBerry OS is neither of those things!

MFH said,

But the new BlackBerry OS is neither of those things!

never froze when i used it.. a windows xp computer is less reliable then the playbook.. not saying xp is bad but it is competitive

Lachlan said,

never froze when i used it.. a windows xp computer is less reliable then the playbook.. not saying xp is bad but it is competitive

So you compare a full operating system of 2001 to a mobile OS from 2010?
About the competitive: Are there any reviews that consider it competitive to Android powered devices or the iPad?

MFH said,

So you compare a full operating system of 2001 to a mobile OS from 2010?
About the competitive: Are there any reviews that consider it competitive to Android powered devices or the iPad?

Your point would be valid, if he said the mobile OS was better. Since he says Windows XP is better his point is valid in my opinion.

Not surprising. The huge price cuts on the TouchPad was a clear sign the company was ready to drop it.

From what I understand, it was decent hardware coupled with a good OS, but lack of apps. I played with it this weekend at Best Buy and it seemed nice, but nothing that would make me choose it over Android or iOS.

Even though the OS was slightly more polished, the lack of apps killed it for me.

Vice said,
LOL

and people get upset that microsoft cancelled the courier saying whats the worst that could happen.. This is it.. the touchpad pretty much killed webOS.. They could of concentrated on the phones or WebOS on PC's or printers but now WebOS will be tainted forever.. Im glad microsoft didnt risk it.. you need to wait till you have a product that is atleast a bit better then your competitors in most peoples eyes..

Lachlan said,

and people get upset that microsoft cancelled the courie

I was never upset by that - cause I understood that the Courier was a concept, not a product!