HP still pushing Windows 7 laptops well into Windows 8's second year


No, it's not 2009, it's a banner on HP.com

Windows 8 was officially released to manufacturing in August of 2012 which means that the platform is now over two years old, but for the folks over at HP, Windows 7 still has life left when it comes to selling to consumers. If you head on over to HP.com and check out their new laptop offerings, there is a large Windows 7 banner touting their new machines that run the older operating system.

At this point, it's safe say that Windows 8 is no longer a priority for Microsoft as they are working to get Windows Threshold out to the public which could be as early as next month. How do we know that Windows 8 is not doing well? For one thing, Microsoft has stopped releasing Windows 8 sales figures, and if we look at usage share, Windows 7 dramatically trumps that of Windows 8.

HP's default Laptop page highlights Windows 7 machines

More so, Microsoft is going to be adding the Start menu back to Windows Threshold after Windows 8 users protested to its removal, and of course, Windows 7 has the Start menu that consumers have been using for decades. We suspect that the reason HP is pushing these machines is that they have a higher satisfaction rate, and knowing that consumers like Windows 7, it becomes an easier sell for HP.

No matter the reasoning, it is a blow to Windows 8 and emphasizes the reason why Windows Threshold can't come soon enough for the company, as they battle to undo the woes of its current OS.

Source: HP | Via: Re/code

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I've bought my HP Desktop in June 2012, Solely with the Purpose to upgrading to Windows 8.0 on October 26th 2012, Upgraded First day, Been using it since, Runs Smoothly, Totally like the Start Screen, the Apps, Desktop Mode still use, but I have absolutely no problems with the Start Screen at all

I took time to learn it, intergrates with my WIndows 8.0/8.1 Phone very well, Works with all my hardware and games perfectly, Outperforms Windows 7, Im looking forward to Windows 9 as well when that is out.

Meh. Windows 8.x outperforms Windows 7 and there are Start menu alternatives for those who absolutely need one (although paying money to get a Start menu when free options exist is asinine), so I'm fine with 8.x. I'm also fine with getting future editions of Windows for cheap, an option I don't believe Microsoft has given to those still on 7.

Recently I uninstalled Start8 to install Classic Shell but before I did after I uninstalled start8 I thought I would give the start screen another chance. So i've been using it for about a week. While its not as horrible as it use to be, there are still so many things that annoy me. After I type this i'm installing classic shell.

I fail to see why people hate windows 8. 4 desktop 2 laptops running windows 8. all the family members using them have no complaints at all. Matter of fact they love the speed and options. only thing I had to do was install a start menu. but thats it.

i have been using my surface 2 pro for a while and i have to say despite all the touchscreen features

i still use it more as a laptop than i do as a tablet or use apps on it.

as i have always maintained every hardware is different and serves different purposes, so while having universal apps seems liek a good idea in theory it jsut dosent work in real life.

my current usage

Desktop Pc for heavy gaming and work, especially love having dual 27 inch monitors

when im out and about: Surface 2 pro, love that its so light weight

rest of the time android smartphone, it has all the apps i need and feels good using apps

just liek how i wouldnt try to write my university thesis on my android phone is the same way i feel about having an "app " waste space on my dual 27inch monitors...

tl dr:

these universal apps is a crap idea, different devices are used for different things.

im all for touch screen on my surface pro, but its useless on a desktop

leave the desktop alone

Bad article, makes it sound as if Microsoft is reverting back to Windows 7 with Threshold. Instead they are integrating the modern UI and modern apps into the desktop for desktop users while those on tablets will still have the full modern UI experience.

As for HP, I actually planned on getting a Windows 8 laptop from them. I was looking at the Hp Pavilion P15-45. But I wont support a company that isnt 'all-in' with Windows 8. Is there a PC oem that is all-in? I also liked what Lenovo was offering.

Bottom line is that HP is going to build what they think is in the best interest of making profit for their shareholders... whether or not Microsoft agrees with the direction. Consumer sales numbers don't lie, and Windows 8 certainly has not helped PC makers move more units compared to its predecessor.

Anecdotally, as an IT pro and Microsoft guy since the 90's, I cannot remember a version of Windows that has been released that people have almost spit when they say the name "Windows 8". (Usually followed by sighs, eyes rolling and other verbal criticisms) I would even go as far to say that Vista may have been slightly more warmly received than Win 8... And Vista pretty much sucked back in the day.

Win 8 has flopped by almost every measure conceivable, and only a comparative handful of consumers have truly adopted and like the design of Windows 8. I hope MS can turn things around with Windows 9. There is a long road ahead and much work to be done to restore consumer demand for both Microsoft and partners alike.

As you know, Microsoft's anti-computing strategy was a flop because they thought that shift to mobile and touch devices was not like shift to laptops from desktops. If Microsoft treated as shift to tablets were like shift to laptops from desktops, all Windows 8 would include is a next generation ultra fast start menu, notification centre which is accessable from taskbar, facial expression login, enhancements to Internet explorer with built-in reading list and protection against dated browser plugins, newer desktop optimized maps, finance, mail, calendar, health, sports, news and so on apps, no not disturb on notification centre, WMP 13, Photo booth, many desktop friendly Xbox apps, Travel and other bing and built-in desktop friendly apps which includes newer Windows (Desktop friendly) app store. They would put more under the hood enhancements to Windows 8 with newer alarms app on clock taskbar.

Because of Microsoft's Anti-Computing strategy which was established to get people to their mobile products for no reason, computer makers should continue making a agreement to continue selling Windows 7 computers and extend that to retail stores as quickly as possible.

There would be any enhancements with integration included on Control panel and it's functions in Windows 8 if there was no anti-computing standards built in to Microsoft, a company it's self.

Windows 7 computers should be available for sale until fall 2015.

Not surprising. HP's consumer stuff is still some of the worst build quality, regardless of what looks like good specs, and I've avoided them after making the mistake of purchasing a high mid-range and an high low-end. I have near zero confidence in any of HP's consumer stuff, and I've known many people "upgrade" to MacBooks after using HP laptops.

I'm guessing HP is willing to do whatever it takes to make a quick profit and building on the negativity surrounding Windows 8 is a bit of a sleazy way to do it, instead of making more compelling machines that take advantage of it. Their terrible general tech support also is probably ill-prepared to troubleshoot Windows 8 users and they'd rather their users have issues with the already well-established Windows 7 OS.

Considering they're one of the biggest PC makers, it's not surprising Microsoft had to establish the Surface line to show their worst hardware 'partners' that you can make great Windows tablets.

Based on Windows 8 feedback, Microsoft should reintroduce Windows downgrade options, and let consumers decide what OS they want to use.

I Never use Metro or the Start screen. Microsoft's decision to force it down everybody's throats was a monumental disaster. Thankfully they seem to have finally realised the tiles are crap and have gone back to the desktop.

Force down their throats? Use hyperbole much? The desktop never went anywhere and is easy to get to. With Windows 8.1 I just boot directly to the desktop anyway.

Leopard Seal said,
Force down their throats? Use hyperbole much? The desktop never went anywhere and is easy to get to. With Windows 8.1 I just boot directly to the desktop anyway.

If you do not have options... It is forced, isn't it?

Cosmocronos said,

If you do not have options... It is forced, isn't it?

Sure, but fortunately you have a good number of options to change it in a lot of ways.

simplezz said,
I Never use Metro or the Start screen. Microsoft's decision to force it down everybody's throats was a monumental disaster. Thankfully they seem to have finally realised the tiles are crap and have gone back to the desktop.

Except the tiles are still very much a part of Threshold.

This article nothing but pure click bait. There is no "large Windows 7 banner". There a category of Windows 7 laptops, a total of eight models. The article fails to mention the 57 different laptops that HP offers running Windows 8.1.

I can't stand Windows 8... Windows 7 is just fine there is no reason to keep pushing 8 on people just because they want to scale down one focusing all their efforts to one OS for desktops and mobile use.

They have so much garbage (non-Windows 8 compatible) that they are still trying to get rid off. People aren't buying their cheap PC. They need to donate them to third world countries, instead of TRYING..

HP has been sliding for years.

Who can blame them for trying to take advantage of the backlash the immensely vocal, borderline infant tantrum throwing minority expressed with regards to Win8?

Minority? A very vague possibility, but the "minority," as you call them are concerned with using their PCs for productivity tasks and content creation; not content consumption and other casual tasks. The Windows-8 commercials are clearly "fun and games" oriented.

abecedarian paradoxious said,
HP has been sliding for years.

Who can blame them for trying to take advantage of the backlash the immensely vocal, borderline infant tantrum throwing minority expressed with regards to Win8?


Mind to share how did you determine that a " minority" disliked it? I am curious....

Cosmocronos said,

Mind to share how did you determine that a " minority" disliked it? I am curious....

TsarNikky said,
Minority? A very vague possibility, but the "minority," as you call them are concerned with using their PCs for productivity tasks and content creation; not content consumption and other casual tasks. The Windows-8 commercials are clearly "fun and games" oriented.

Unless either of you can prove that more than 50% of all Win8 users disapprove, it's a statistical minority.

[quote=abecedarian paradoxious said,]

Unless either of you can prove that more than 50% of all Win8 users disapprove, it's a statistical minority.[/quot I could apply the same argument to your statement but..... there is no need for it: MS actions are the best answer to your groundless proclaims.

Cosmocronos said,
I could apply the same argument to your statement but..... there is no need for it: MS actions are the best answer to your groundless proclaims.
HP actions show they're trying to bring Enterprise users into their arena; nothing specifically from HP about Win8.

SO again....

Edited by abecedarian paradoxious, Aug 21 2014, 6:45am :

abecedarian paradoxious said,
HP actions show they're trying to bring Enterprise users into their arena; nothing specifically from HP about Win8.
SO again....

Self-delusion is self-delusion. These are consumer laptops. Clearly HP and other OEM's know first hand of the epic failure that is Windows 8. Even Microsoft knows it.

Some people don't know what they are missing Windows 7 might be a rock but Windows 8.1 is a Diamond in the rough. Windows 9/Threshold will be a Diamond.

8.1 is a solid OS the lack of start menu does not bother me at all and same with metro i just use inbuilt feature to show installed apps first and boot to desktop. Working for me and super smooth.

H-P very quickly realized the problems with Windows-8. It is designed for a niche market, whereas Windows-7 has a much broader appeal. The potential "game changer" will be when Windows-9 is released. Did Microsoft learn anything from the Windows-8 debacle? If not, Windows-7 will remain very "alive and well" until the next iteration of Windows. In the meantime, the rate of defection to other OSs will continue and, most likely, increase as it will be evident that Microsoft no longer listens or cares about what their customers want.

Meanwhile, HP's TouchSmart and Pavilion lines - which include notebooks and towers, and most of which include touch-screen options - which are sold retail (in big-box retail such as Best Buy) all now include Windows 8.1 as standard. (TouchSmart and Pavilion aren't sold to corporate customers.)

Please - the very reason HP is #2 is that they sell to enterprises - which are, by nature, conservative to CHICKEN. Enterprises upgrade their hardware or software BEHIND everyone else. Despite my own feelings about Windows 8, I actually predicted that enterprises WOULD largely pass - and for a variety of reasons - all HP's sales numbers do is confirm it. (Besides, Dell and Lenovo also still push Windows 7 in their corporate/enterprise sub markets.)

Neither new or surprising.

Enterprises have more important things to do--get work done. They can't afford to get involved with flashy trends that have little or nothing to do with office-based productivity. Someone has to do the intensive content creation, for which Windows-8 does little over Windows-7.

Windows 7 is a must for any laptop or desktop we buy. I pray on my knees daily, sometimes hourly, that Windows 9 can change our buying habits. Thank you HP for giving the consumer a choice!

My company just FINALLY upgraded my work PC, which was an Intel Core2Duo with 1GB RAM (!!) running Windows XP. Guess what they got me? Yup, a Windows 7 machine. (thankfully!)

I bought a Win 8 laptop several months ago, (with touchscreen) and it collects DUST. I would rather use a pocket calculator than Window 8, and I am grateful that my IT department is not forcing 8 upon us!

So after months of people on Neowin and other places desperately preaching at those of us who don't care for Windows 8 that we "just don't get it", that we're whiners, or living in the past and refusing to adjust, we see yet another harsh example of the reality of the situation.

I've used Windows 8 and have mixed feelings about it. There are some aspects that I do like. But let's all admit it once and for all: Windows 8 has been a failure.

Microsoft has had failures in the past and bounced back stronger than ever, and I hope they do so again. But my god, even though they would never admit it, by their very actions, Microsoft would agree with this conclusion. Windows 8 just hasn't been a hit. Live and learn.

COKid said,
So after months of people on Neowin and other places desperately preaching at those of us who don't care for Windows 8 that we "just don't get it", that we're whiners, or living in the past and refusing to adjust, we see yet another harsh example of the reality of the situation.

I've used Windows 8 and have mixed feelings about it. There are some aspects that I do like. But let's all admit it once and for all: Windows 8 has been a failure.

Microsoft has had failures in the past and bounced back stronger than ever, and I hope they do so again. But my god, even though they would never admit it, by their very actions, Microsoft would agree with this conclusion. Windows 8 just hasn't been a hit. Live and learn.


Windows 8 minus Modern UI, I'd love it. But not this.

COKid said,
So after months of people on Neowin and other places desperately preaching at those of us who don't care for Windows 8 that we "just don't get it", that we're whiners, or living in the past and refusing to adjust, we see yet another harsh example of the reality of the situation.

I've used Windows 8 and have mixed feelings about it. There are some aspects that I do like. But let's all admit it once and for all: Windows 8 has been a failure.


^This

Windows 8 is the biggest, most colossal OS failure in their entire history, Vista and ME don't even come close.
Many months worth of endless insults, elitist and condescending attitudes and outright denials that windows 8 has failed will never change anything.

Right on. Hopefully the new (old) Microsoft will learn from the ups/downs of Win8, roll up their sleeves, and strike the keys with renewed vigor.

Pretty troubling seeing as HP is the second largest PC vendor Windows has..I wonder what Lenovo's sales look like comparing Windows 7 to 8?

Windows 8 is unfairly hated. Modern UI is SNAFU but, other that, the start menu alternatives do the trick and turn Windows 8 almost as equals as Windows 7 (sans Aero).

Well stated, Metro UI is SNAFU. Microsoft has finally, and grudgingly, recognized that. What and when is Microsoft going to do something to fix it?

Consumers do not want any so called Modern UI related stuff on their non-touch devices, including me. Microsoft should have foreseen it.

Thingol said,
Consumers do not want any so called Modern UI related stuff on their non-touch devices, including me. Microsoft should have foreseen it.
Yup, I agree.

its HP, the failing chromebook warrior. so bitter Microsoft put out one PC that's better than anything HP has ever and will ever make.

vcfan said,
its HP, the failing chromebook warrior. so bitter Microsoft put out one PC that's better than anything HP has ever and will ever make.

But of course... they are pushing W7 just to irritate MS....

that 15t-j100 is a real crap laptop computer. had a custom built edition earlier this year and had to return it in the first week.
terrible keyboard flex,
loud fans
very intense and more than noticeable backlight bleeding so bright I could use it as a flashlight to see in the dark.
terrible hinges and lid flex. this lid doesn't seem to go more than 100 degrees was unacceptable for me.
really bad viewing angles.
its really thin in the front but extra fat in the back which negates the "'really thin' laptop"
I really couldn't recommend that laptop to no one.

Sonne said,
What does your comment have to do with lack of Windows 8 demand?

it has everything to do wit the hp laptop posted in the article.

rocksturdy said,

it has everything to do wit the hp laptop posted in the article.

This article is about HP's top selling Windows laptops happen to be running Windows 7. HP is a business and want money so they will obviously pander to demand. Saying your opinion that their hardware is crap doesn't dismiss any of what the article is alluding to, that HP, the second largest Windows vendor is pushing Windows 7 because there exists a huge demand due to Windows 8 being not well liked by the general consumer.

For what its worth I agree that HP hardware is junk, but that has nothing to do with this discussion.

Not a big surprise. They're catering to what most people want and it hasn't EOL'd yet, that's what a good vendor does. Probably going to change quite a bit once 9 comes around, 8.1's been "tarnished" al-la Vista, even though both are totally viable now, tweaked or not.

Mark my words. If in every store a Windows 8 machine was on the shelf right next to a windows 7 machine, Windows 8 would not sell.

warwagon said,
Mark my words. If in every store a Windows 8 machine was on the shelf right next to a windows 7 machine, Windows 8 would not sell.

I have a cousin from the Caribbean who is visiting me and a friend who just came back from Turkey not to long ago, both hate Windows 8 tremendously. The hate for it is strong and global; it's unbelievable.

Not true. Lots of people love the touch screen features. There would be a whole lot less people whining though. You'd think two years in they'd have figured out they could take 5 minutes and install a third party program but I guess they just like whining.

mrp04 said,
Not true. Lots of people love the touch screen features. There would be a whole lot less people whining though. You'd think two years in they'd have figured out they could take 5 minutes and install a third party program but I guess they just like whining.

So, people who do not like, for whatever reason, the OS are whiners..... Interesting mindset.

Apparently I am in the minority, but I like Windows 8. True I don't use Metro very often but there are apps there that I find useful (of course adding ModernMix and Decor8 have helped me enjoy Win8 a bit more than the default).
I am in the market for a new computer (current one is old, had Vista on it when new) and only looking at Win8 ones.
edit: should have added current PC is a non-touch desktop)

Not again.

I don't see why it's such a problem for some.
Start menu is the same as start screen, just full-screen and a bit different.

It's actually easier to use. I don't need to go pixel hunting to open or launch something.

See this? http://i.imgur.com/ugXU8QE.jpg

Just pin your important folders and programs and it's pretty much the same as windows 7. Maybe even better, because I can arrange my stuff however I want.

The only thing that is really missing is the list of recently opened programs, not that it was even that useful. Things moved around all the time, or slid out of the list completely.

The only thing that MS is guilty of, is not offering an option to use the old start menu, at least for some time, but since people love to hate, they extended that hate to the start screen too. Bashing is fun.

warwagon said,
Mark my words. If in every store a Windows 8 machine was on the shelf right next to a windows 7 machine, Windows 8 would not sell.
I've said this many times here and your statement is spot on.

warwagon said,
Mark my words. If in every store a Windows 8 machine was on the shelf right next to a windows 7 machine, Windows 8 would not sell.

Only because it would be stupid to sell a Windows 7 machine with a touchscreen, so all of the Windows 7 models would be priced lower due to cheaper hardware.

TMYW said,
Only because it would be stupid to sell a Windows 7 machine with a touchscreen, so all of the Windows 7 models would be priced lower due to cheaper hardware.

I dunno, would depend on the machine, I have a tablet running 7 and it does touch quite well. (Ish... modern's obviously better suited for fingers.. more of a stylus thing for 7.)

mrp04 said,
You'd think two years in they'd have figured out they could take 5 minutes and install a third party program but I guess they just like whining.

It's like none of the whiners have ever heard of Google either.

If you don't know how to do something, Google it! This applies to anything, not just Windows 8/8.1.

warwagon said,
Mark my words. If in every store a Windows 8 machine was on the shelf right next to a windows 7 machine, Windows 8 would not sell.

I have totally opposite experience, nobody even sees Windows 7 machine if Windows 8 is available. I see no hatred, I see fear in their eyes that I wouldn't be able to do things like I was doing and that's because idiotic tech sites' negativity towards windows 8.

This only applies to Home Basic, Home Premium, Ultimate. That date does not apply to Professional and they have to give a 1-year warning before that.

"At this point, it's safe say that Windows 8 is no longer a priority for Microsoft"

Didn't Windows 8.1 just receive a massive update?

"Microsoft has stopped releasing Windows 8 sales figures..."

I don't recall Microsoft releasing Windows 7 sales figures for the longest time, either. Your point?

"undo the woes of its current OS."

According to your rumors, they're doing nothing of the sort. There may be a menu to show here, but it's not at all the same one as before, and is a completely new addition to the OS. And Metro seems to be a bigger part of this OS than it was in Windows 8. Not to mention universal metro apps, and the Windows Store...

Dot Matrix said,

According to your rumors, they're doing nothing of the sort. There may be a menu to show here, but it's not at all the same one as before, and is a completely new addition to the OS.

Way to spin the return of the thing you said over and over x10 would never return. I've never actually heard you admit to being wrong about anything. All you say is... well its not the same start menu as before.

Edited by warwagon, Aug 20 2014, 11:32pm :

New menu or old... Doesn't matter. Still basically a start menu lots said never would happen and they are going back to what worked well in the past while keeping more of the metro look for touch devices.

Dot Matrix said,
"At this point, it's safe say that Windows 8 is no longer a priority for Microsoft"

Didn't Windows 8.1 just receive a massive update?

"Microsoft has stopped releasing Windows 8 sales figures..."

I don't recall Microsoft releasing Windows 7 sales figures for the longest time, either. Your point?

"undo the woes of its current OS."

According to your rumors, they're doing nothing of the sort. There may be a menu to show here, but it's not at all the same one as before, and is a completely new addition to the OS. And Metro seems to be a bigger part of this OS than it was in Windows 8. Not to mention universal metro apps, and the Windows Store...

If you opened your comment stating that its content was your wishful thinking... it would have been a fair one but.....
" A massive update" Not really a massive one.
" Metro seems to be a bigger part of this OS than it was in Windows " Mind to share with us your copy of Windows 9/Threshold/Next you are using? What has been announced/leaked so far do not support, neither deny mind it, what you are saying.
Again, you are free to express your wish for the next Os but do not present it as a fact.

Windows 7 was my idea
Windows 8 was Sinofsky's idea
Windows 8.1 was a little of both
Windows 9 will hopefully be full of common sense, and some consistency for once.

Although, the stuff you don't see in Windows 8 is fantastic. The OS is rock solid, but the Metro stuff is divisive (I'm ok with it but a lot of people are not).

Indoobidubly said,

The Start Menu, which you said was NEVER coming back, is a RETURN to the OLD DESKTOP. The Metro apps are being jammed into said Start Menu.

The Start menu is returning as an option.

Indoobidubly said,
The Charms bar is also GONE from the desktop, even though you said it wasn't going away.

. . . And the Charms Bar is rumored to be integrated with the windowed Metro applications.

Indoobidubly said,
Windows 8 and it's philosophy are DEAD. Windows 9 will be Windows 7 with a few Live Tiles sprinkled here and there.

If Windows 9 is only going to be a "Windows 7 with a few Live Tiles sprinkled here and there", then that really doesn't bode too well for the recently announced universal applications.

Indoobidubly said,
Stop embarrassing yourself.

There's no need to be condescending toward him.

Ian William said,

The Start menu is returning as an option.

Uh huh. That's why they made it the front and center feature of their most recent presentation? The START MENU is back by DEFAULT, but yeah, if you want to turn it off for some reason, you can.

Ian William said,

. . . And the Charms Bar is rumored to be integrated with the windowed Metro applications.

1. That's just a RUMOR.
2. Even if it's true, it's still a major step down from the way they tried to integrate it into the Desktop and Start Screen. For all intents and purposes it's dead.

Ian William said,

If Windows 9 is only going to be a "Windows 7 with a few Live Tiles sprinkled here and there", then that really doesn't bode too well for the recently announced universal applications.

Guess not.

Ian William said,

There's no need to be condescending toward him.

Then tell him to stop being a bully know it all. He's still a bully know it all even though he has been proven wrong about EVERYTHING in Windows 8.

Indoobidubly said,

Uh huh. That's why they made it the front and center feature of their most recent presentation? The START MENU is back by DEFAULT, but yeah, if you want to turn it off for some reason, you can.

. . . That is my point. Even if the Start menu is available by default, the Start screen will (or should) still be available as an option.

Indoobidubly said,

1. That's just a RUMOR.
2. Even if it's true, it's still a major step down from the way they tried to integrate it into the Desktop and Start Screen. For all intents and purposes it's dead.

For many users, aside from providing some shortcuts to system settings, the Charms Bar was practically useless on the desktop in Windows 8.1. I'd say that if the rumor of integration between windowed desktop applications is true, the feature has a new lease on life.

Indoobidubly said,
Guess not.

Since it doesn't bode well for the universal applications, this calls your belief into question. There are rumors about a revamped taskbar with better Metro application integration, so . . . I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Indoobidubly said,
Then tell him to stop being a bully know it all. He's still a bully know it all even though he has been proven wrong about EVERYTHING in Windows 8.

Disregarding how I feel about his attitude, intentions, etc, do you actually think that he would listen to me?

"bully know it all" Ha! :p

First of all, the Metro concept is still alive and well inside Threshold, as reported by Brad Sams, and it's even being applied to the desktop, and desktop taskbar. Metro 2.0 is also being applied to tablets.
Second, Charms is not being killed off, just moved.
Third, Universal Applications are still very much alive in Threshold, again, as reported here on Neowin.

Not sure how you think what I said was "proven wrong".

Edited by Dot Matrix, Aug 21 2014, 2:52am :

Dot Matrix said,
"bully know it all" Ha! :p

First of all, the Metro concept is still alive and well inside Threshold, as reported by Brad Sams, and it's even being applied to the desktop, and desktop taskbar. Metro 2.0 is also being applied to tablets.
Second, Charms is not being killed off, just moved.
Third, Universal Applications are still very much alive in Threshold, again, as reported here on Neowin.

Not sure how you think what I said was "proven wrong".


Again... You use rumors as they are coming from Myerson or Nadella....
Make yourself a favour: read and meditate..
http://www.answers.com/topic/stubbornness

Dot Matrix said,
"bully know it all" Ha! :p

First of all, the Metro concept is still alive and well inside Threshold, as reported by Brad Sams, and it's even being applied to the desktop, and desktop taskbar. Metro 2.0 is also being applied to tablets.
Second, Charms is not being killed off, just moved.
Third, Universal Applications are still very much alive in Threshold, again, as reported here on Neowin.

Not sure how you think what I said was "proven wrong".

Windows 8 features that YOU said were DEAD, but instead made a triumphant RETURN:

1. Boot to desktop
2. Disabling of hot corners
3. Start Menu
4. Disabling/Removal Charms Bar on the desktop

Windows 8 is DEAD. The few remaining scraps are being carried over. But we'll see how long those last.

You will be able to run Metro apps on the DESKTOP! Metro is being altered to fit in the Desktop, not the other way around! Microsoft is even BRAGGING about the return of the Start Menu and it's refocus on the DESKTOP!

Stop being delusional.

Ian William said,

. . . That is my point. Even if the Start menu is available by default, the Start screen will (or should) still be available as an option.

But in Windows 8 the Start Menu was NOT an option. Now it's the DEFAULT. Complete and total defeat for the Windows 8 Start Screen philosophy.

Ian William said,

For many users, aside from providing some shortcuts to system settings, the Charms Bar was practically useless on the desktop in Windows 8.1. I'd say that if the rumor of integration between windowed desktop applications is true, the feature has a new lease on life.

Trust me, it's dead. No one wants it. Same way no one wanted the Start Screen and hot corners. The writing is on the wall.

Ian William said,

Since it doesn't bode well for the universal applications, this calls your belief into question. There are rumors about a revamped taskbar with better Metro application integration, so . . . I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

They might put it in, but everyone will turn if off. OR, they will complain with their wallets and Microsoft will just remove it (same thing happened with Start Menu, hot corners, boot to desktop, etc).

Ian William said,

Disregarding how I feel about his attitude, intentions, etc, do you actually think that he would listen to me?

Based on that logic, why do you think I would listen to you?

Indoobidubly said,

But in Windows 8 the Start Menu was NOT an option. Now it's the DEFAULT. Complete and total defeat for the Windows 8 Start Screen philosophy.

It is the default for desktops, yes. (And devices without a touch screen?)

Indoobidubly said,
Trust me, it's dead. No one wants it. Same way no one wanted the Start Screen and hot corners. The writing is on the wall.

How can the feature be dead if Microsoft is simply relocating it?

Indoobidubly said,
They might put it in, but everyone will turn if off. OR, they will complain with their wallets and Microsoft will just remove it (same thing happened with Start Menu, hot corners, boot to desktop, etc).

"Time" will tell, unfortunately.

Indoobidubly said,
Based on that logic, why do you think I would listen to you?

When I made the comment about 'listening', I was not referring to general discussion, but telling someone what they should do. I haven't told you to do anything; you told me to tell Dot to stop being a "bully know it all".

Indoobidubly said,

You: "There's no need to be condescending toward him." Stop being so whiny.


My quote was not a direct order.

warwagon said,

Way to spin the return of the thing you said over and over x10 would never return. I've never actually heard you admit to being wrong about anything. All you say is... well its not the same start menu as before.

Dot Matrix is by far the biggest Windows 8 fanboy on the planet. You will not ever make him see the opposite side as a valid argument. Ever.

Indoobidubly said,

Neither was mine.


It reads like one to me, but maybe that's just how I interpret it. Not that it matters . . .

Dot Matrix said,
"bully know it all" Ha! :p

First of all, the Metro concept is still alive and well inside Threshold, as reported by Brad Sams, and it's even being applied to the desktop, and desktop taskbar. Metro 2.0 is also being applied to tablets.
Second, Charms is not being killed off, just moved.
Third, Universal Applications are still very much alive in Threshold, again, as reported here on Neowin.

Not sure how you think what I said was "proven wrong".

Well, if you are right (and I truly hope you are wrong) then MS is just going to dig Win 7 (and even XP) in that much deeper. The people have spoken, they do NOT want Metro in ANY way, shape, or form.

Dot Matrix said,
"At this point, it's safe say that Windows 8 is no longer a priority for Microsoft"

Didn't Windows 8.1 just receive a massive update?

"Microsoft has stopped releasing Windows 8 sales figures..."

I don't recall Microsoft releasing Windows 7 sales figures for the longest time, either. Your point?

"undo the woes of its current OS."

According to your rumors, they're doing nothing of the sort. There may be a menu to show here, but it's not at all the same one as before, and is a completely new addition to the OS. And Metro seems to be a bigger part of this OS than it was in Windows 8. Not to mention universal metro apps, and the Windows Store...

Windows 8 is rubbish, everyone knows it, microsoft are fixing it, get over it

runningnak3d said,

Well, if you are right (and I truly hope you are wrong) then MS is just going to dig Win 7 (and even XP) in that much deeper. I have spoken, I do NOT want Metro in ANY way, shape, or form.

FTFY

techbeck said,
New menu or old... Doesn't matter. Still basically a start menu lots said never would happen and they are going back to what worked well in the past while keeping more of the metro look for touch devices.

Hopefully not exclusive to touch devices. I don't want a start menu.

Indoobidubly said,

Here's a quote from the article:

"Do you have any whiskey handy? If you do, pour one out. On the desktop, in the current builds, the Charms bar is dead..."

Finish the quote - "and it is moving inside the modern apps." That's a direct copy & paste. That doesn't sound all that dead to me.

Honestly, that article was so contradictory in places that I wouldn't consider it gospel for anything.