HTC One Windows Phone front and back, now in high resolution

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HTC is working on a new Windows Phone that will be headed to Verizon and now we have views of both sides of the device. The phone, the M8 running Windows Phone, is using the same chassis as the HTC One and looks like a winner on all accounts as it keeps the brushed aluminum look of the Android version of this device.

These are the highest resolution images yet of the device that will be announced next week and for the first time, we can see the back of the device too.

The HTC One M8 running Windows Phone will include high-end specs and support for HTC's Dot View case as well. The specs of the device include the following:

  • Windows Phone 8.1
  • 2.3 GHz quad-core, Qualcomm Snapdragon 801
  • 32 GB internal storage; micro SD (up to 128 GB)
  • 2 GB of RAM
  • 5-inch Full HD, Super LCD3 display with Corning Gorilla Glass 3; 441 ppi
  • 2600 mAh battery
  • HTC UltraPixel camera; 5 MP front-facing camera
  • Nano SIM
  • HTC Boomsound
  • U-Focus
  • HTC Dot View case

The specs, as you can see, will make for a premium device and knowing that the exterior is the same as the Android version we previously reviewed, the phone should be an excellent device when it is released.

Also included is support for HTC's Dot View case that allows you to interact with the device when the case is closed. More so, the case will include support for Cortana. The case will let you see who is calling, the ability to accept or reject the call and by swiping down, you can access Cortana. This feature set will help to differentiate HTC's device from those made by Microsoft under their Lumia branding.

We should be hearing more about this device next week and shouldn't have to wait all that long for it to hit retail stores too.

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Dot Matrix said,
Yay for recycled hardware.

Everyone does it. Everyone. Nokia rebrands but uses same hardware often.
Samsung is notorious for it. Motorola too.

Princess Katie Pixie said,
It's not like phone designs can change anymore. Besides being a rectangle with buttons, what else can a designer do to make their phones different? =)

Square.

"Yay for recycled hardware."

I'm curious to see some benchmarks on battery life and speed - compare the latest WP with the latest Android and see which OS performs better on the same hardware.

And presenting.... the new.... Nokia Lumia 120 Cheap Smartphone. Just there is no screen, but you know, they need to left out some things...

nyolc8 said,
And presenting.... the new.... Nokia Lumia 120 Cheap Smartphone. Just there is no screen, but you know, they need to left out some things...

LOL, at this rate we'll be going back to tying string between two cans. :)

In all seriousness, I'm hopeful they have a nice flagship device in the works.

It would be interesting if I could convert the one m8 android to into phone. The htc one takes great pictures if you ask me and the flash is great for night shots.

It seems that the navbuttons are software, so the down arrow would indicate scrolling.

I prefer "hardware" navbuttons, but if these still function in every state of launching applications, then I'm ok with software-based navigation.

I want a windows phone with screen size between 3.7" and 4"

every other manufacturer is doing giant phones, Microsoft should capitalize on this gap.

If I had to get a Windows Phone, yes, I'd absolutely get a Nokia, but that's only because the competition otherwise sucks ass design-wise.

Mediocre vs Awful is what I see when it comes to design. Wining by default isn't exactly a "wow" factor for me. That isn't to say their phones don't have anything else going for them, but again, I'm talking about design.

Nice phone. Looks premium, wondering if Motorola will try venturing into the windows phone space with their moto maker strategy.

There's something odd about these pictures - they look exactly like the leaked first draft we saw way back. The bottom speaker grills just look way off...

It seems strange to me that HTC would take such a gamble with Windows Phone because AFAIK HTC is not doing so well and of course we all know that Windows Phone is losing market share. This seems like a recepie for disaster.

No gamble at all. It's basically a re-branded Android phone. They actually make money of this phone since they have to pay about $60 for every Android phone they sell in licensing cost while the WP OS is now free.

Gungel said,
No gamble at all. It's basically a re-branded Android phone. They actually make money of this phone since they have to pay about $60 for every Android phone they sell in licensing cost while the WP OS is now free.

They actually make money by just producing this phone? Really? It's not that simple. There are many costs involved with having an additional product line that you have failed to mention. Costs like marketing for example, cost like managing the inventory, costs like customer support, costs like keeping the OS updates flowing out via the carriers.

yes. and with the android phone they have to tack on another $60 USD per phone because of the Microsoft Android licencing deal that HTC signed.

derekaw said,

They actually make money by just producing this phone? Really? It's not that simple. There are many costs involved with having an additional product line that you have failed to mention. Costs like marketing for example, cost like managing the inventory, costs like customer support, costs like keeping the OS updates flowing out via the carriers.


yes. and with the Android version of the phone they have to pay another $60 USD per phone because of the Android licensing deals they have with Microsoft. They donĀ“t have to pay that when they produce the Windows Phone 8.1 GDR1 equipped handset.

They can put that money towards the other costs. That's why this is a smart move. Because they don't have to pay extra costs because of the licensing.

sang123 said,

That's why this is a smart move.

Ok I suppose that makes sense, you do seem to know a lot about all the associated costs.

I do see a problem however, people are not buying Windows Phones and the WP Marketshare is contracting, Windows Phone is losing ground. People don't like Windows Phone and they are not selling well, I can't see this hardware making any difference to that. If anything its the low end that sells for Windows Phone and not the high end flagships like this.

Regardless of the 'free ride' with Windows Phone I see problems ahead for HTC with this device. High end flagship Windows Phone sales are awful.

Edited by derekaw, Aug 16 2014, 7:34am :

derekaw said,

Ok I suppose that makes sense then, apart from just one thing, people are not buying Windows Phones and the WP Marketshare is contracting, Windows Phone is losing ground. People don't like Windows Phone and they are not selling well, I can't see this hardware making any difference. If anything its the low end that sells for Windows Phone and not the high end flagships like this.


You keep saying that WP market share is contracting without mentioning that Iphone sales are contracting also. iPhone may have increased shipments but overall, Android is still increasing market share at iphones expense. Market share always fluctuates though, so I see WP share going up again and possibly due to the HTC offering.

So your argument for WP marketshare is that iPhone is losing and Android is gaining? Yes, it usually fluctuates, but really, only between the top 2 around when a new Apple or Samsung or another OEM device is coming out. Also Android is in way more places, phones, tablets (and everything in between), dongles, game consoles, hardware media players/streamers, in car systems, printers, routers, TVs etc. so developing there has a bigger chance of going more places. Sure some apps may not work on olderversions or certain chipsets, but if you take thos minorities out the device base is still almost an order of magnitude bigger. Please do not bring up the fact that MS has X marketshare in Y country if people don't really buy apps over there or the ad model is not bringing enough money to the dev or MS.
Microsoft made a bad decision from the start with RT, which was neither a WP os nor Windows x86 adapted for arm (you can argue that it was, but it really wasn't, because it couldn't run the desktop apps or the phone apps that people wanted.) Sure, Nokia made very bad decions, included but not limited to scrapping 4 OS lines in 5 years before (or very soon after) the flagship of that line was launched, but Microsoft's snailspeed and stubborness is not a good idea either.

Edited by LauRoman, Aug 16 2014, 8:15am :

SJTWD said,

You keep saying that WP market share is contracting without mentioning that Iphone sales are contracting also. iPhone may have increased shipments but overall, Android is still increasing market share at iphones expense. Market share always fluctuates though, so I see WP share going up again and possibly due to the HTC offering.

Considering this is a HTC Windows Phone news post I had no intention of mentioning iPhone or Android.

The fact that Windows Phone is losing marketshare in this market is an important point and does not need to be compared here to Android or iPhone. Windows Phone must be a drag on all OEM's and Microsoft.

Windows Phone marketshare is contracting from a high of about 3%. There is no comparison to Android or iPhone.

Edited by derekaw, Aug 16 2014, 10:23am :

derekaw said,

Considering this is a HTC Windows Phone news post I had no intention of mentioning iPhone or Android.

The fact that Windows Phone is losing marketshare in this market is an important point and does not need to be compared here to Android or iPhone. Windows Phone must be a drag on all OEM's and Microsoft.

Windows Phone marketshare is contracting from a high of about 3%. There is no comparison to Android or iPhone.

What he was saying is that iPhone market share also contracted. However if you look at the units shipped, iPhone still went up a bit (a good thing) while Windows Phone went down about 800,000 units for the quarter (a bad thing, but not the end of the world).

Android, of course, is killing the competition, now up to 85% global market share... it's essentially the Windows of mobile OS now - will be difficult to claw any of that back. Will be interesting to see how the new iPhones do and how all the new OEMs signing on with WP do.

Enron said,

What he was saying is that iPhone market share also contracted. However if you look at the units shipped, iPhone still went up a bit (a good thing) while Windows Phone went down about 800,000 units for the quarter (a bad thing, but not the end of the world).

Android, of course, is killing the competition, now up to 85% global market share... it's essentially the Windows of mobile OS now - will be difficult to claw any of that back. Will be interesting to see how the new iPhones do and how all the new OEMs signing on with WP do.

Thank you Enron. Some people like derekaw and LauRoman failed to see that very point. I am in no way defending WP. I was just pointing out the facts that BOTH WP and iPhone are losing market share to Android. Just a couple months ago WP was seeing market share growth worldwide. Now it is seeing decline. I bet they see increases in the coming months The fact that LauRoman in his previous post wants to squash double digit market share growth for WP in some countries outside of the US really says a lot about devotion to Apple. Guys (derekaw, LauRoman), don't be so sensitive. Apple isn't your lover that you have to defend at all costs...lol.

SJTWD said,

You keep saying that WP market share is contracting without mentioning that Iphone sales are contracting also. iPhone may have increased shipments but overall, Android is still increasing market share at iphones expense. Market share always fluctuates though, so I see WP share going up again and possibly due to the HTC offering.

What are you talking about? iPhone sales increased 13% year over year of pure high end phones. Blackberry and Windows Phone are quite literally the only segments that have declined.

Enron said,

What he was saying is that iPhone market share also contracted. However if you look at the units shipped, iPhone still went up a bit (a good thing) while Windows Phone went down about 800,000 units for the quarter (a bad thing, but not the end of the world).

Android, of course, is killing the competition, now up to 85% global market share... it's essentially the Windows of mobile OS now - will be difficult to claw any of that back. Will be interesting to see how the new iPhones do and how all the new OEMs signing on with WP do.


What @SJTWD is trying to do is convolute the conversation. The OPs point was never about market share, it was about raw sales. There are far more poor people in the world than upper income individuals, so Android will always outsell and increase market share over the premium branded iPhone. Also, it remains true today that a lot of Android sales comes from new smartphone buyers, not iPhone owners. over 83% of iPhone users who bought another phone recently, bought another iPhone. Compare that to 67% of Android users. A decline in market share by itself isn't necessarily a bad thing. Macs have 10% of the PC market, yet 50% of the profits.

WP average selling point (ASP) is actually lower than Android, which means there are a lot more people who can afford to buy it than the iPhone. However, despite the the low ASP and the fire sales going on, sales are still declining. That is a terrible, terrible sign for Microsoft. WP came out virtually at the same time as the iPad and look how different those devices are in terms of market penetration and sales (I won't even mention profit since Microsoft no longer even profits on WP).

Gods and Kings said,

What @SJTWD is trying to do is convolute the conversation. The OPs point was never about market share, it was about raw sales. There are far more poor people in the world than upper income individuals, so Android will always outsell and increase market share over the premium branded iPhone. Also, it remains true today that a lot of Android sales comes from new smartphone buyers, not iPhone owners. over 83% of iPhone users who bought another phone recently, bought another iPhone. Compare that to 67% of Android users. A decline in market share by itself isn't necessarily a bad thing. Macs have 10% of the PC market, yet 50% of the profits.

WP average selling point (ASP) is actually lower than Android, which means there are a lot more people who can afford to buy it than the iPhone. However, despite the the low ASP and the fire sales going on, sales are still declining. That is a terrible, terrible sign for Microsoft. WP came out virtually at the same time as the iPad and look how different those devices are in terms of market penetration and sales (I won't even mention profit since Microsoft no longer even profits on WP).


Can you reference any reliable statistics for anything you mention? And if you do, please do so without yourself comingling facts with opinions.

10 years ago, Windows Mobile, Symbian, and BlackBerry were the trifecta of market leaders in mobile device OSes. Today, Symbian is practically dead and BlackBerry is lagging far behind. To curb that fate, Microsoft reinvented their OS as Windows Phone... and are safely tucked in #3 spot.

Thanks to the licensing agreements, financially speaking, Microsoft is still collecting current-generation revenue from their mobile investments beyond the actual OS in the marketplace. When priced at $0 (only for lower-priced devices), they don't expect upfront revenue on per-device sales... be it 5 units or 5,000,000 units sold in a calendar quarter.

Bottom line: MSFT can financially win without dominating the marketplace. They would rather win the war than simply petty monthly battles. (And there's nothing wrong with making fistfuls of money at the competitor's expense.)

Nas said,

Can you reference any reliable statistics for anything you mention? And if you do, please do so without yourself comingling facts with opinions.

10 years ago, Windows Mobile, Symbian, and BlackBerry were the trifecta of market leaders in mobile device OSes. Today, Symbian is practically dead and BlackBerry is lagging far behind. To curb that fate, Microsoft reinvented their OS as Windows Phone... and are safely tucked in #3 spot.

Thanks to the licensing agreements, financially speaking, Microsoft is still collecting current-generation revenue from their mobile investments beyond the actual OS in the marketplace. When priced at $0 (only for lower-priced devices), they don't expect upfront revenue on per-device sales... be it 5 units or 5,000,000 units sold in a calendar quarter.

Bottom line: MSFT can financially win without dominating the marketplace. They would rather win the war than simply petty monthly battles. (And there's nothing wrong with making fistfuls of money at the competitor's expense.)


No, Microsoft is at an overall loss with Windows phone on a per-monthly basis, since they rebranded as WP in 2010 and especially since the Nokia purchase.

Prior to them buying Nokia, they earned $15 per non-Nokia handset (license for the OS + other services) and $10 from Nokia themselves (Nokia dominates WP sales). That comes out to about $350million last year in revenue (some have it closer to $320 million). However, marketing cost for WP was over $250 million by itself last year (combined with Windows 8, it exceeded $1 billion). That's before factoring in development and other opportunity cost. And that's only last year when they shipped the most handsets.

However, since they purchased Nokia for $7.2 billion dollars, they are literally billions in the red. They also absorbed many of the cost that plagued Nokia in which they said themselves that they need to sell 50 million nokia phones to break even. WP as a whole is estimated to sell under 30 million this year.

This is on top of the fact that they no longer charge a fee to license WP to other manufacturers.

There is nothing about WP in where Microsoft profits. They're not winning any battle and won't win any war. Surface, WP, Xbox (basically all of Microsoft "post-PC" devices) are all money losers.

Gods and Kings said,

There is nothing about WP in where Microsoft profits. They're not winning any battle and won't win any war. Surface, WP, Xbox (basically all of Microsoft "post-PC" devices) are all money losers.

This is absolutely correct, fans fail to see this. Good money after bad for all these hardware products. At some point the bottomless money pit will run dry. Microsoft is in decline, we are seeing the early stages of it now. Death can be slow and agonizing, undiagnosed cancer for example, or it can be quick where you get hit by a bus. This is definitely cancer.

So both of you (Gods and Kings, and derekaw) are saying that nobody is sending money in MSFT's direction? Not even a little bit? Yeah, okay... good thing I don't take financial advice from you guys.

Derekaw, if "Microsoft is in decline" then why are their annual revenues and profits larger today than, say, 5 years ago?

Gods and Kings, absorbing a multinational corporation for $7.2B doesn't generate annual profits in merely 3 months. Also, please educate us and please inform the class on how many different and/or distinct lines of business does MSFT have that generates over $1B per annum. Once you find the answer, maybe -- just maybe -- you'll realize that they know how to make money. It is capitalism, after all.

derekaw said,

They actually make money by just producing this phone? Really? It's not that simple. There are many costs involved with having an additional product line that you have failed to mention. Costs like marketing for example, cost like managing the inventory, costs like customer support, costs like keeping the OS updates flowing out via the carriers.

The costs are greatly reduced compared to designing a service from scratch and testing it's stability and the ergonomics e.t.c. The software is free, so why not. This is probably left over hardware stock from a contract to make the M8. Obviously they are not settling the android version in bucket loads, so why not try something different. Windows phone maybe.

Nas said,
...
They certainly know how to lose money as well. Remember, it is a profit and loss system... losses are equally important for the efficiency of the economy because they tell firms what to stop producing or investing in. That haven't seem to be the case with Microsoft, however, as they continue to subsidize their losses.

But to quote from an article talking about Microsoft's hardware:

"hardware efforts just aren't making much money... they're actually losing money hand over fist... Nokia's phones, were a mixture of just 5.8 million Lumia smartphones, mostly cheap ones, like the Lumia 520... The end result? [they] managed to lose nearly $700 million last quarter... down the drain, for a company Microsoft paid more than $7 billion for mere months ago."

"The Surface line, a titanic money pit since its very birth... Also included in that writeoff... A hasty cancellation of a Surface Mini that was to have been announced in May... clear picture of why new CEO Satya Nadella is in such a hurry to scuttle away from the 'devices and services' mantra"
http://goo.gl/UyW4I3

Edited by Gods and Kings, Aug 17 2014, 11:21am :

Nas said,

Derekaw, if "Microsoft is in decline" then why are their annual revenues and profits larger today than, say, 5 years ago?

Microsoft continue to make a lot of money from their older products and some of their newer offerings like Azure however all of their key hardware efforts are massive expenses and potential failures.

MS can't rely on Office and Windows propping them up forever. OS's are going free, people are expecting free and Office has more competition than ever.

Ballmer told us that MS was a 'devices (& Services)' company but thats not going so well and Nadella dialed back on that.

I think that the purchase of Nokia will prove to have been a huge mistake.

Gods and Kings said,

What are you talking about? iPhone sales increased 13% year over year of pure high end phones. Blackberry and Windows Phone are quite literally the only segments that have declined.

What are YOU taking about? I never mentioned anything about sales. Market share is NOT sales. But Android is kicking butt in both departments. Neither is the number of shipments has to do with actual sales. Get your categories straight.

Sionic Ion said,
What's with the green and orange led light?

It's a two-tone LED flash. I think it aids in better color reproduction whenever the flash is used.

Windows Phone 8.1
2.3 GHz quad-core, Qualcomm Snapdragon 801
32 GB internal storage; micro SD (up to 128 GB)
2 GB of RAM
5-inch Full HD, Super LCD3 display with Corning Gorilla Glass 3; 441 ppi
2600 mAh battery
HTC UltraPixel camera; 5 MP front-facing camera
Nano SIM
HTC Boomsound
U-Focus
HTC Dot View case

The Only Problem in here is the Battery and Camera.

Camera is pretty good and above enough. Battery is less problem, i have htc one with 2300mah battery, much better than iphones and more than 2 days with light usage.

anothercookie said,

Still better than Nexus 5 and Moto X cameras.

Much much much better. Seriously. It's not great but it is well above average.

I have hth one and had nexus 5 before.


panacea said,

Much much much better. Seriously. It's not great but it is well above average.

I have hth one and had nexus 5 before.


How does it compare to the Apple iPhone by Apple in Cupertino?

Enron said,

How does it compare to the Apple iPhone by Apple in Cupertino?

Iphone is better. Not hugely but better. But besides Nokia pureview, iPhone is aiming to have one of the better cell cameras around.

It depends on what you want from camera.
I cannot provide great review.
But if camera is quite important to you... And you want win phone. Then Nokia pureview is better for sure

-Razorfold said,

Seriously HTC, please stop using that ultrapixel junk.

It's a terrible camera.

I agree. My M7 has the worst camera of any phone I've owned since the VGA cam on my old Moto RAZR. Daylight pics are seriously washed out and low-light pics are so grainy and falsely colored pink/magenta they are unusable. My old HTC MyTouch 4G Slide had a far-superior camera, at only 8MP.

fuzi0719 said,
I agree. My M7 has the worst camera of any phone I've owned since the VGA cam on my old Moto RAZR. Daylight pics are seriously washed out and low-light pics are so grainy and falsely colored pink/magenta they are unusable. My old HTC MyTouch 4G Slide had a far-superior camera, at only 8MP.

I don't believe you. M7 camera has reasonable high rankings from professional reviewers, and in my personal experience, it performed more then adequately.

maybe it was your experience, but multiple online reviews and picture comparisons show it to be far from bad!

personal tastes perhaps?

i am going with xperia sony's camera which is miles better next. but to even mention HTC One camera with the same comment as VGA RAZR is just funny.

no one in the tech world pro reviews will agree! they cant all be wrong, if i am wrong.


so it is purely a personal preference...

maybe it was your experience, but multiple online reviews and picture comparisons show it to be far from bad!

Eh most people I've seen say that HTCs camera is pretty junk.

Sure its not the worst camera on Android but it's nowhere near some of the offerings from Sony, Nokia, Apple, Samsung etc.

fuzi0719 said,
I agree. My M7 has the worst camera of any phone I've owned since the VGA cam on my old Moto RAZR. Daylight pics are seriously washed out and low-light pics are so grainy and falsely colored pink/magenta they are unusable. My old HTC MyTouch 4G Slide had a far-superior camera, at only 8MP.

I'm guessing you never used a Galaxy Nexus then.

No idea. I dont have an HTC One phone. I like the look tho since the original One. Didnt get that because it had the permanent softkeys. If the M8 was released during the time I was looking for a new phone, I would of seriously considered the M8.

I have the M7 model, and I'd personally put it in the "decent" category. From what I read the M8's been improved.. think my 1020 does a better job but I've seen a lot worse on a phone.

Enron said,
How's the camera on the Android version of it?

Not a fan. I understand photos taken in low light to be a little grainy since the ISO is bumped up, but I notice the grain in pictures taken in well lit areas too. I'd rate the camera in the iPhone 5s as better

benthebear said,

Not a fan. I understand photos taken in low light to be a little grainy since the ISO is bumped up, but I notice the grain in pictures taken in well lit areas too. I'd rate the camera in the iPhone 5s as better

I took very good pictures with it in the sun, people found it had to believe it was taken on cellphone.

panacea said,

I took very good pictures with it in the sun, people found it had to believe it was taken on cellphone.

You must have some very naive friends who are easily impressed.

will there be a blink feed for the Windows phone? Also, will there be a max version of the HTC Windows Phone?

t72 said,
will there be a blink feed for the Windows phone? Also, will there be a max version of the HTC Windows Phone?

From what I've heard it will be there but as an app instead.

zhangm said,
Cortana has also been rebranded Neowin Cortana.

So there should be a news article about that in a few days then? :laugh:

Purty.. but I'm biased as I already own the Droid version... my WP device is getting a little long in the tooth, may be time to get a matching set.

Max Norris said,
Purty.. but I'm biased as I already own the Droid version... my WP device is getting a little long in the tooth, may be time to get a matching set.

How is that camera?

I wonder how many people will actually buy this before HTC realized there's no market for Windows Phone and they've just shot themselves in the foot again.

Yeah, sure, it has nothing to do with the fact that they had to pay a license per device to use WP, they had to have hardware buttons. It was not influenced by the fact that WP7 was missing, on purpose, a lot of features, like the weird ringtone limitation it had or bluetooth file transfer limitation (which WM 6.5 and older versions and feature phones had fully functional). Or the call log from hell where 100 calls to and from a number were listed separately instead of one or two slots wth a ticker on the side. No digital or analog clock live tile and a lot others. I understand some of the reasons behind some decions on the limitations, i really do, but that does not make them less stupid. And normal people don't care how poerful the phone is if it can't do the stuff that their old feature phone could do. Microsoft, has recently relented on these functions but it's too little too late.

I have 8X and will change it for 930 next month. Phone itself is great, did his time, didn't regret i choose him over 920. But no thank you, i won't consider HTC again. Guess why... because HTC can't event support device for 2 year cycle. As from Europe i still don't have Cortana and latest DP update with folders.

I agree with you, Vladimir, that HTC doesn't support their devices for a complete 2-year cycle... but they're releasing this device just in time for the upgrade. Better late than never, eh!

cetla said,
I wonder how many people will actually buy this before HTC realized there's no market for Windows Phone and they've just shot themselves in the foot again.

As long as they keep getting discounts on the Android patent protection licensing Microsoft provide, they'll keep pushing the odd Windows Phone.