HTC video will make you love the 8X and 8S

Earlier today HTC announced two brand new Windows Phone 8 devices, the Windows Phone 8X and the Windows Phone 8S. HTC has now uploaded a video to YouTube showing the design behind both devices. HTC explains why they chose to design these devices the way they did and why it is important to bring hardware and software together.

Both devices come in a variety of colours with the 8S devices being two-tone. The 8S features a 4.0-inch display, a Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 dual-core 1 GHz chipset, 512 MB RAM, 4GB storage, a 1700 mAh battery, integrated Beats Audio, a 5-megapixel rear camera, and removable SD card. The higher end 8X features a Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 processor 1.5 GHz chipset which is dual-core, a 4.3-inch display with Gorilla Glass 2, an 8-megapixel rear camera, an 2.1-megapixel front-facing camera, Beats Audio, 16 GB of storage, 1,800mAh battery and NFC.

Source: HTC YouTube

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I would have liked this phone if it had a 4.7 inch screen like my Titan, a removable battery and a sd card slot. So right now it is a FAIL on my side. Come on HTC, hit harder.

i am out of contract in around six months time, my HTC wildfire took a bath a month back, so I got a cheap Huawei Ascend G 300 to cover the last six months. i thought it was a ok phone until the screen started bleed after a few weeks. vodafone more or less told me it would cost to get it fixed. not impressed since it not been bumped. anyway in six months time I may change provider and will go for another HTC phone, but it will be another Android, not a windows phone. as for Huawei, never buy anything with their name on again.

Adrian s said,
as for Huawei, never buy anything with their name on again.

You will use their infrastructure as they provide a lot of equipment to telcos.

deadonthefloor said,

You will use their infrastructure as they provide a lot of equipment to telcos.

Maybe, but I don't use a landline for my broadband, I use a wireless service. the fact is I still not buying anything with Huawei name on even if I use them indirectly.

Still not going to buy a windows based mobile phone either, have enough problems with MS software on my computer, saying that it have got better over the last few years. windows phones look like something a 3 year old would use.

They should've made the 8X look like the 8S and vice versa. The HTC Windows Phone 8S in dark blue with the specs of the 8X would've been an awesome phone.

So i was a Lumia 920 fan until i saw this , and i was like wtvr Lumia still has better camera , so i went into looking the specs and this is my conclusion :

Both have aperture of 2.0 , so expect competitive images @ low light
Front camera of 8X is better with wider viewing angles
Lumia 920 has OIS left , but then it makes it bulkier , which is a bad thing on comparing to 8X's sleek and cute design (and they have better colours)
8X has microSD slot
Coz of smaller screen , 8X also has higher PPI compared to Lumia 920 (and both are better compared to iPhone 5's retina or S3)
Battery life is comparable (200mAph more for Lumia 920 , but then has bigger screen)
And Beats audio in 8X are great !

So I am inclining towards 8X now , even though I am a Nokia Fan , but i guess HTC somehow beats them ... (if it's price is cheaper than 920)

bogas04 said,
So i was a Lumia 920 fan until i saw this , and i was like wtvr Lumia still has better camera , so i went into looking the specs and this is my conclusion :

Both have aperture of 2.0 , so expect competitive images @ low light
Front camera of 8X is better with wider viewing angles
Lumia 920 has OIS left , but then it makes it bulkier , which is a bad thing on comparing to 8X's sleek and cute design (and they have better colours)
8X has microSD slot
Coz of smaller screen , 8X also has higher PPI compared to Lumia 920 (and both are better compared to iPhone 5's retina or S3)
Battery life is comparable (200mAph more for Lumia 920 , but then has bigger screen)
And Beats audio in 8X are great !

So I am inclining towards 8X now , even though I am a Nokia Fan , but i guess HTC somehow beats them ... (if it's price is cheaper than 920)

Just so you know, the 8X doesn't have an SD slot and the Lumia has Dolby enhanced sound. Although it adds bulk, the OIS in the Lumia should lead to superior low light shots despite the fact that both phones have the same aperture.

bogas04 said,
So i was a Lumia 920 fan until i saw this , and i was like wtvr Lumia still has better camera , so i went into looking the specs and this is my conclusion :

Both have aperture of 2.0 , so expect competitive images @ low light
Front camera of 8X is better with wider viewing angles
Lumia 920 has OIS left , but then it makes it bulkier , which is a bad thing on comparing to 8X's sleek and cute design (and they have better colours)
8X has microSD slot
Coz of smaller screen , 8X also has higher PPI compared to Lumia 920 (and both are better compared to iPhone 5's retina or S3)
Battery life is comparable (200mAph more for Lumia 920 , but then has bigger screen)
And Beats audio in 8X are great !

So I am inclining towards 8X now , even though I am a Nokia Fan , but i guess HTC somehow beats them ... (if it's price is cheaper than 920)

You also forgot about the screen on the 920. New technology so you can use gloves for touch, puremotion screen technology (super fast refresh rate) and the clearback display which already beats everyones in sunlight but has been improved apparently

Oh and the nokia exclusive apps.

For me the 920 still wins, but it's not an easy choice and plenty of people will snap these HTC phones up

bogas04 said,
So i was a Lumia 920 fan until i saw this , and i was like wtvr Lumia still has better camera , so i went into looking the specs and this is my conclusion :

Both have aperture of 2.0 , so expect competitive images @ low light
Front camera of 8X is better with wider viewing angles
Lumia 920 has OIS left , but then it makes it bulkier , which is a bad thing on comparing to 8X's sleek and cute design (and they have better colours)
8X has microSD slot


8X is using the same camera module as the HTC One X. Check out any photo shootout (maybe GSMArena) and you'll see it's the worst camera you can get. Worse than 4S, worse than SGS3.

The 8X is 10.12mm thick. The 920 is 10.7mm. That's about 0.58mm difference.

8X doesn't have a microSD slot. It's 16GB non-expandable.

Thanks to all for letting me know about the Camera and SD slot ... It's lil tough to choose for me , I am liking the design of HTC more than 920's Anyways let's wait for full reviews and comparisons on cameras to come...

Im confused as I've read on here and other site the 8S has 4GB internal storage with a micro sd slow and that 8X just has 16GB storage with not SD slot.

But on the HTC website it states:

Total storage: 16 GB, available capacity varies
Expansion SD card slot supports microâ„¢ SD memory card for additional storage (card not included)

Does that mean you can expand to a total of 16GB with an SD card of that the phone comes with 16GB and you can get even more with an SD card?

looks lovely, but more importantly have HTC improved their customer support? they have been slated in the UK, even appearing on watchdog never good to the masses.

Best looking/specced WP8 so far BUT
Im afraid ill stick to my Galaxy Note and Android thank you, so no the title is wrong

Finally glad to see these companies waking up to good design. Microsoft got the ball rolling, Nokia put it into play, now others are following. I think we will be seeing a lot more of HTC and Nokia now that their designs have stepped up

OK, so Metro is still Metro on phones but not on Windows 8 PCs or Tablets? I think I got it. I kid. This looks great, going to be tough to decide between this and the Lumia 920. Whichever one has best Bluetooth 4.0 support will probably be my choice. Leaning towards the HTC as the Titan had better camera software and did it say Beats Audio? Nice.

MorganX said,
OK, so Metro is still Metro on phones but not on Windows 8 PCs or Tablets? I think I got it.

She incorrectly used it. It's "modern" now.

MorganX said,
OK, so Metro is still Metro on phones but not on Windows 8 PCs or Tablets? I think I got it. I kid. This looks great, going to be tough to decide between this and the Lumia 920. Whichever one has best Bluetooth 4.0 support will probably be my choice. Leaning towards the HTC as the Titan had better camera software and did it say Beats Audio? Nice.

Lumia 920 & Lumia 820 = bluetooth 4.0
HTC 8X & 8S = bluetooth 2.1

g0ld1e said,
Does the 8X have 1GB of ram or do both have 512MB? I'm guessing they both have 512MB

The phone looks great tho.

1 GB

g0ld1e said,
Does the 8X have 1GB of ram or do both have 512MB? I'm guessing they both have 512MB

The phone looks great tho.

The 8X has 1GB, the 8S has 512MB.

I would take this phone over a 920 anyday (I have an 800), but I will stick with the 920 just because of 'value added' by Nokia apps and exclusivity.

The 920 is a great! phone but I think, based on what I've see, they made a couple of silly design errors -- the placement of the capacitive buttons, the Nokia logo, the weight, and thickness.

gullygod said,
I would take this phone over a 920 anyday (I have an 800), but I will stick with the 920 just because of 'value added' by Nokia apps and exclusivity.

The 920 is a great! phone but I think, based on what I've see, they made a couple of silly design errors -- the placement of the capacitive buttons, the Nokia logo, the weight, and thickness.

I don't think the weight and thickness were design errors but tradeoffs, in order to get the pureview tech in there. For me the tradeoff is worth it for the better camera - but maybe they needed to release a 910 as well which was super slim/light with the same as the 920 but 16gb and no pureview?

DomZ said,

I don't think the weight and thickness were design errors but tradeoffs, in order to get the pureview tech in there. For me the tradeoff is worth it for the better camera - but maybe they needed to release a 910 as well which was super slim/light with the same as the 920 but 16gb and no pureview?

I'm no expert, but how would 16gb make the device weight less/be slimmer?

For me the weight and thickness of the Lumia 920 is also an issue. I want a high-end Windows Phone (that includes max GB) but it should also be easy to hold and carry around.

Between the Ativ S, Lumia 820 and the Lumia 920 the Lumia 920 is just the best. Now that there is also the 8X I'm not all that sure anymore. I love how slim the device is. It might not have wireless charging but other then that it is able to match the Lumia 920. I guess I'll make my decision based on what the reviews say about both of them.

Thank you HTC! Finally a WP8 Phone with a 4" display. Im only concern was the colour but from this video it seems it will be avaliable in many colours! Im getting one as soon as they are released! Wonder how much they will cost, looking to sell my iPhone 4 and to buy the phone contract free!

Impressive, out of curiosity could Windows Phone 8 now not be simply loaded onto phones like the HTC One X, or the Galaxy S3?

McKay said,
Impressive, out of curiosity could Windows Phone 8 now not be simply loaded onto phones like the HTC One X, or the Galaxy S3?
I assume that you mean forced onto them?

If the chipset is the same, then they almost certainly could with a lot of hacking effort (I suspect the camera drivers will be similar to the HTC 8X/Samsung A[whatever], as I would hope that they wouldn't use wildly different hardware between phones, even when running different OSes).

McKay said,
Impressive, out of curiosity could Windows Phone 8 now not be simply loaded onto phones like the HTC One X, or the Galaxy S3?

No.

McKay said,
Impressive, out of curiosity could Windows Phone 8 now not be simply loaded onto phones like the HTC One X, or the Galaxy S3?

No.
Secure boot is a requirement of WP8, meaning no handsets manufactured before the existing 8 line can run WP8

deadonthefloor said,

No.
Secure boot is a requirement of WP8, meaning no handsets manufactured before the existing 8 line can run WP8
Eh... that only means that if the chipset doesn't support the necessary hardware, which was the case for all WP7 hardware. However, the SIII and One X, I believe, both use the same S4 as the high end WP8 phones. It's possible that they could have added the secure portion to the processors since then, but I suspect that it's a one-size-fits-all kind of processor manufacturing (as that's the cheapest for them), which could easily mean that those parts go unused on Android, but provide a means for running WP8 on that hardware given the right drivers for the rest of the hardware.

pickypg said,
Eh... that only means that if the chipset doesn't support the necessary hardware, which was the case for all WP7 hardware. However, the SIII and One X, I believe, both use the same S4 as the high end WP8 phones. It's possible that they could have added the secure portion to the processors since then, but I suspect that it's a one-size-fits-all kind of processor manufacturing (as that's the cheapest for them), which could easily mean that those parts go unused on Android, but provide a means for running WP8 on that hardware given the right drivers for the rest of the hardware.

It won't work. Secure boot is made to prevent loading custom roms and I think in this case was designed for Windows Phone 8. See here: http://www.wpcentral.com/micro...ng-security-windows-phone-8

With Microsoft betting everything on businesses with WP8 I'm certain they made sure it's safe and uncrackable.

Edited by PmRd, Sep 20 2012, 1:48am :

PmRd said,

It won't work. Secure boot is made to prevent loading custom roms and I think in this case was designed for Windows Phone 8. See here: http://www.wpcentral.com/micro...ng-security-windows-phone-8

With Microsoft betting everything on businesses with WP8 I'm certain they made sure it's safe and uncrackable.

Even the mighty PS3's bootloader fell. I suspect it's just a matter of time before someone makes an image run against the W8 secure boot, and even with the secure boot, it's meant to make it secure (no mucking around with the image that should be loading), and not to prevent others from running, at least according to Red Hat and Microsoft with respect to Windows 8's secure boot. Particularly, I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually made one run with a legitimate bootloader from a different phone of the same manufacturer, which likely will have a lot of similarities.

pickypg said,
Even the mighty PS3's bootloader fell. I suspect it's just a matter of time before someone makes an image run against the W8 secure boot, and even with the secure boot, it's meant to make it secure (no mucking around with the image that should be loading), and not to prevent others from running, at least according to Red Hat and Microsoft with respect to Windows 8's secure boot. Particularly, I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually made one run with a legitimate bootloader from a different phone of the same manufacturer, which likely will have a lot of similarities.

Sony are the worst at security so they are not a valid example. You can't compare a company who has years and years of security experience with a company that makes TVs and Blu ray players