Hybrid HD-DVD media plays on standard DVD player

Toshiba and Memory-Tech have developed a HD-DVD disc that will play on a conventional DVD player. It's a dual-layer disc that can store 15GB of high-resolution HD-DVD data on one layer and 4.7GB of standard DVD data on the other, and which doesn't cost any more to produce.

In theory, movies purchased for your DVD player might soon have a HD-DVD copy on another, essentially hidden, layer. The key to this will obviously be linked to how quickly this product can come to market and whether or not it truly will not affect the media production cost.

This may be of little value to early adopters but late adopters will surely be tempted to purchase HD-DVD players over Blu-Ray players if they already own a compatible library of high-resolution movies. After all, why repurchase what you already own?

This could be a rather large score for the HD-DVD format which already enjoys a significant sales lead over their Blu-Ray rivals. Mind you, that sales lead could evaporate quickly with the release of the PlayStation 3 in Japan and the imminent release of the PlayStation 3 in North America.

News source: Digital Home Magazine

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...and the exact same backwards-compatable technology exists for Blu-Ray. Don't believe me? Check the CDFreaks.com news archives. Score: HD-DVD=1. Blu-Ray=1.

Just like how better Sony Beta max Players won out against crappy JVC VHS recorders?......

Quality and space is only one issue. If you look at it now you can buy a decent quality DVD player for a couple hundred quid and splash out on gold leads and connectors or you can buy a cheap crappy £30 player from Argos or Tesco.

People will do this as there blind to the quality but not to the cost. This is effectively the next betamax/VHS war and everyone knows what made VHS win despite betamax being a better format with improved capacity.

The winner of this war will be A) Whatever the porn industry decides to use and B) What the consumer can afford and with many people unwilling to spend out a fortune on new electronics and players and start the painful task of converting their entire collection over to blueray they will tend to go with what they have and what is compatible.

An option to buy HD disks now which will work on their FUTACHU Argos player and then buy a cheap cheerful SUMUSANG HD player in a few years when they hit £49.99 will be a definite win.

To quote Avenue Q "In volatile market only stable investment is porn"

Well, in this case VHS had the bigger capacity.

When introduced Beta had only an hour capability, VHS 2. VHS LP took that to 4 hours. Beta 2.

JVC also licensed out their tech to everyone (especially PANASONIC), allowing all consumer electronic companies to make VHS recorders.

HD DVD is more like Beta in this regard. A single company making one format against the rest of the industry (especially, again: PANASONIC) making Blu-ray players.

Vivid has already announced they are working on Blu-ray titles.

and Samsung is a Blu-ray only company

It's a good idea in theory, but the problem is that one layer is sufficient for only the shortest of movies, likely with low bitrate, no surround sound and, certainly, no extras.

It'd be better to have HD-DVD on one side of the disc, and DVD on the other. This is similar to the DualDisc format that has DVD on one side and Audio-CD on the other. The only problem would be people not smart enough to put the disc right side up into their DVD player. They might be able to solve that, though, by, somehow, allowing a DVD player to read a certain area of the HD-DVD that simply displays a message telling the user to flip the disc over.

And DualDisc is dying. I actually liked DualDisc. Folks prefer the CD/DVD "special editions".

HD DVD combos are $10 more retail than the single format versions.

Call it yet another HD DUD.

Another side benefit of this...

Let's say you are an early adopter. Say you have HD-DVD at home. That's great. What if you want to bring a movie over to a friend's house? What if you want to bring a movie up to the cottage? What if you want to watch it on the little TV in the kitchen?

This hybrid format would mean that your HD-DVD movie would still be usable by those who are still in the technological underclass. Sure, it won't be high def, but it will still work. That might be a nice backup.

Well, think about it, if they sell these hybrid DVD movies right now for the same price as always and it just happens to have the HD-DVD on the other layer, then one year down the road you're ready to buy one of the hi-def DVD systems, which one would you buy? You'd already have a year worth of purchases in HD-DVD that you could watch in Hi-Def. From then on you could just purchase the HD-DVD only discs.

Quote - Ironman273 said @ #5
From then on you could just purchase the HD-DVD only discs.

Assuming that 15GB of high def content is sufficient, you might just want to continue to purchase these hybrid disks to retain compatibility with older devices (friends, cottages, the TV in kitchen, etc...)

Blu-Ray will eventually win out just by consumer stupidity.

Will most of them even know if the entire 50 GB is used? No.

Will they even know what's on it besides the movie and extras? No.

They'll just know that it's 10 times the size of DVD which in their minds means it's better. Couple that with it being in the PS3, another high priced item that people get just because it's in style, and you have HD-DVD losing.

I agree with you. While many criticized Sony for including Blu-Ray on the PS3, that could now be the sole thing that allows Blu-Ray to dominate the market. Even if HD-DVD was clearly the superior product, the consumers who bought the PS3 won't go out and buy a HD-DVD player..they will still stick with Blu-Ray because they already have it. This is the beginning of the end of HD-DVD I think...

i know you did slimy.. thats why im here lol.

but this has 2 layers.. one is standard DVD, the other... HD.. meaning the quality of both is equal to half?

i'd rather a 30GB disc, rather then a 15GB HD movie

The sooner one of these formats gets squashed by the other the better! I want one and I'm definitely not buying until the mess gets sorted out. My bet is on Blu-ray just now.

Not many people will justify $600 for straight up gaming. Every last one
of them will check out Blu-ray films now that they have the capability.

But X360 owners, and now even just XP, will pick up a $200 HD-DVD
from Microsoft, so it still seems all even. Hybrids may take it all.

OAKside, may i remind you of the fiasco that was UMD? People brought PSP's and UMD sales surged... for a while, then they dropped quite drastically, now UMD is now on the Sony ™ Pile of Dead Formats.

The exact same thing could happen with Blu-ray, Blu-ray has a competing format like UMD, it is also being used to sell the console like UMD. There are more comparisons, but in the long run, Blu-ray has more chance of failure than HD-DVD.

Xavien, still spreading the FUD and lies I see.

Need I remind you Blu-ray is the one that ISN'T the propietary format.

ONLY Toshiba exclusively supports HD DVD. It's partners all support Blu-ray.

Before you squeak "but Microsoft" I'll remind you MS is a SOFTWARE company and the 360 Add-On is made by TOSHIBA.

Meanwhile, I've said it a billion times but for you it hasn't sunk in yet.

Players for Blu-ray on the market:
Samsung
Panasonic
Philips
Pioneer

See Sony in there? Well listening to you someone would believe that they are the ONLY one behind the format.

Players soon on the market for Blu-ray:
Sharp
Sony
LG
Yamaha
Hitachi
Mitsubishi

And all HD DVD owners have to look foward to is a new player from (wait for it) TOSHIBA.

CES booth owners are now in the planning. One HD DVD booth. At least EIGHT for Blu-ray.

So excuse me when I call "Bull***t" on your prediction of failure. HD DUD is more like it.

Quote - TRC said @ #1.1
Why? HD-DVD has been consistently outselling Blu-Ray since the beginning.

http://www.thedvdwars.com/index.cfm


That will change now that the PS3 has been "unleashed", while it's not out in NA it soon will be, Blu-Ray isn't out the race yet. Personally I'd be more worried about HD-DVD, it's the one that could fail not Blu-Ray (thx to the PS3)

Quote - TRC said @ #1.1
Why? HD-DVD has been consistently outselling Blu-Ray since the beginning.

http://www.thedvdwars.com/index.cfm

More capacity is the thing I would want, it would be more useful as a RW format I think when it's available, Imagine being able to back up 50GB of Data on one disk. And I do think PS3 will swing it in the favour of Blu-ray.

But what quality is the Blue-ray and HD-DVD on the play station 3 and Xbox 360? The playstation 2 and xbox played DVD but would you have used one in your main living room if you were looking for high quality playback? I think not.

Quote - PeterTHX said @ #1.6
Xavien, still spreading the FUD and lies I see.

Need I remind you Blu-ray is the one that ISN'T the proprietary format.

ONLY Toshiba exclusively supports HD DVD. It's partners all support Blu-ray.

Before you squeak "but Microsoft" I'll remind you MS is a SOFTWARE company and the 360 Add-On is made by TOSHIBA.

Meanwhile, I've said it a billion times but for you it hasn't sunk in yet.

Players for Blu-ray on the market:
Samsung
Panasonic
Phillips
Pioneer

See Sony in there? Well listening to you someone would believe that they are the ONLY one behind the format.

Players soon on the market for Blu-ray:
Sharp
Sony
LG
Yamaha
Hitachi
Mitsubishi

And all HD DVD owners have to look forward to is a new player from (wait for it) TOSHIBA.

CES booth owners are now in the planning. One HD DVD booth. At least EIGHT for Blu-ray.

So excuse me when I call "Bull***t" on your prediction of failure. HD DUD is more like it.

THIS IS THE TRUTH!