IBM: Firefox, I choose you!

IBM's Vice President of Open Source, Bob Sutor, has made a blog post regarding the company's stance on web browsers. The company will be shifting to Mozilla Firefox as their browser of choice. This move will affect around 400,000 employees worldwide. As the new browser of IBM, Firefox will be pre-loaded as the default browser on all new computers. Current users will be encouraged to adopt it as well. As part of the push, IBM is also asking its vendors to develop with the fiery little fox in mind and to ensure that all of their web apps are fully compatible with it.

There are many reasons for the switch. Not only do thousands of IBM employees already use Firefox, but Sutor notes that Firefox is the "gold standard for what an open, secure, and standards-compliant browser should be." He also notes that other browsers, which are faster or have newer features, will continue to hit the market. It's just the way of the world. In the end though, Firefox has made it through it all and is the one browser responsible for other browsers stepping up their game. He firmly believes that Firefox will continue to hold its own in the browser wars.

Besides the fact that Firefox is fast, it also runs on Linux, Mac, and Windows, allowing the company to use the same browser across all of their machines. Cloud computing is also a driving force in the choose to use an open standards browser. Sutor mentions his own personal reasons as to why users should be flocking to Firefox (below is a direct quote):

  • Firefox is stunningly standards compliant, and interoperability via open standards is key to IBM’s strategy.
  • Firefox is open source and its development schedule is managed by a development community not beholden to one commercial entity.
  • Firefox is secure and an international community of experts continues to develop and maintain it.
  • Firefox is extensible and can be customized for particular applications and organizations, like IBM.
  • Firefox is innovative and has forced the hand of browsers that came before and after it to add and improve speed and function.

To give Mozilla Firefox a try, visit www.firefox.com. The current version is 3.6.6. Firefox 4 will soon hit its first beta release and promises a new and improved user interface, as well as many new features.

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WHY? if theres a company which stops developing browsers, its Mozilla...
the mozilla browser kinda died, netscape died.... firefox will die aswell.
They should go with a stable browser IMO. its a company, not some dorm roon.

Shadowzz said,
WHY? if theres a company which stops developing browsers, its Mozilla...
the mozilla browser kinda died, netscape died.... firefox will die aswell.
They should go with a stable browser IMO. its a company, not some dorm roon.
Netscape became Mozilla Suite. Mozilla Suite became Firefox (and Seamonkey, and Thunderbird).

You are a troll.

As much as I am loving using Firefox 4, deploying it in a corporate environment is a strange move; the security advantages are open to debate, but the same can't be said for its lack of Active Directory GPOs (as others have noted). While IBM will surely be intending to implement Active Directory support themselves--and this is certainly a feasible goal what with it being open source and all--it seems strange to go to all this effort just as Microsoft is building up steam for the newly standards-compliant Internet Explorer 9.

The immediate advantage of using Firefox is that their web clients will work identically for employees using Mac OS and Linux, but IE9 is demonstrably more compatible than ever before so any IE-specific tweaks would probably be minor compared to those needed for past iterations.

Wait for Firefox 4. Firefox pWns IE. I have to wait for IE9 to confirm that, though. Microsoft's been working hard on IE9. Anyway, I'm with Firefox all the way. Opera has gone down, really. They need to buck up.

Chrome has good rendering speeds but I still think Firefox is better because of the customizable GUI and add-ons.

I will test Firefox 4 and then decide if I should move on to Chrome.

IMO this is a stupid idea.. I used to be a big firefox user, but lately its just a let down.. Chrome (and even IE) have met my expectations of performance and exceeded them. Just my opinion though!

What kind of a title is this? "IBM: Firefox, I choose you!" I mean really Is this a Pokemon Game? If so 7pm-Tech: Google Chrome, I choose you! Google Chrome Use Thunderbolt!

Aaron7pm said,
What kind of a title is this? "IBM: Firefox, I choose you!" I mean really Is this a Pokemon Game? If so 7pm-Tech: Google Chrome, I choose you! Google Chrome Use Thunderbolt!

Just IBM highlight their choice and not only that, IBM spit in Microsoft's face with this slogan

My dream browser:
The boot time, simplicity and theoretical security of chrome
The speed, and stability of opera
The customizability and memory usage of firefox

JJ_ said,
Good move by IBM, IE is bloated, Firefox is much faster and more responsive (dual core)

Lol, yet another uninformed user. IE8 blazes much faster than Firefox on the other desktop I use.

Quikboy said,

Lol, yet another uninformed user. IE8 blazes much faster than Firefox on the other desktop I use.


In my experience, "Your Mileage May Vary"

Quikboy said,

Lol, yet another uninformed user. IE8 blazes much faster than Firefox on the other desktop I use.

Uninformed user? How much do m$ pay you to make absurd posts like above?

Purify said,
"Besides the fact that Firefox is fast"

WHAT?!


At least in perceived speed. However, Firefox's cold boot time and rendering times are not so pleasant.

Chrome, FF, Opera, Safari are all 10x better than IE8 and 3-5x better than IE9. FF is by far the most configurable and cross platform of the bunch and is more than FAST ENOUGH. speed stops mattering past a certain point to everyone but the benchmark whores. FF is a mature, maintained and progressing platform on which to build. IE9 is playing catch up, with such rapid development as the IE team is doing there will be thousands of security holes, standards breakage, JS foobar. until 1 version past the one where it's on par, there is simply no compelling reason to use it over anything else.

Raa said,
Idiots.

Amazing how you never seem to be busted for trolling, when that's all you do for topics that involves software you don't like.

"DERP THEY'RE NOT USING THE BROWSER I LIKE SO THEY'RE DUMB!"

Go back to ruining people's computers and shut up.

There's so much fail in this thread it is absolutely horrible.

Firefox does not come with ADM-files for GPO-deployment, there are modified releases FROM OTHER DEVELOPERS that has hacked it up.
Mozilla does not release them, so you are dependant on that developer to releasing new versions (or do it yourself.)
Yes, there's a difference - and it's big.
Not all it-networks allow "random developed" software on they're networks.

Chrome is a ram-hog deluxe.
But unlike FireFo (which ain't pretty on RAM either...) it makes everything run fast.
I'm a FX-fan myself, I own a t-shirt and even wear it from time to time - but I use chrome due to the speed of it.

Also, Chrome has addons - they also have an adblocker so the guy who only sticks to FX due to adblock plus - you're welcome to join us.

FX is also not a secure browser, not by being unsecure - but it's the software with the most security exploits.
( http://arstechnica.com/securit...ding-in-pwn2own-contest.ars http://www.tgdaily.com/securit...refox-most-insecure-browser )

and IE8 IS a good browser, and IE9 will be an even better browser, only time will tell if it can match up though I doubt it (due to lack of addons and such...)

One thing should be noted though, without Firefox - we wouldn't have this discussion at all.
There would just be a couple of Opera-fanatics in a corner screaming while everyone used IE.

And for that we are thankfull.

I liked your post, but dont forget that you cant measure security by number of security exploits - that has been discussed for ages...

Alastyr said,

Firefox does not come with ADM-files for GPO-deployment,

Only relevant to windows machines. And like google, IBM is probably moving mostly to linux. And no doubt it can implement it's own internal admin tools, because that's what most big corps do.

Alastyr said,

Chrome is a ram-hog deluxe.
But unlike FireFo (which ain't pretty on RAM either...) it makes everything run fast.
I'm a FX-fan myself, I own a t-shirt and even wear it from time to time - but I use chrome due to the speed of it.

Chromium runs fine on ubuntu, and I never noticed excessive ram consumption. Perhaps it's your OS. I mean vista was know for eating ram after all.

Alastyr said,

Also, Chrome has addons - they also have an adblocker so the guy who only sticks to FX due to adblock plus - you're welcome to join us.

While I applaud the efforts of the chrome adblock plugin, it's still nowhere near as functional as Firefox's adblock plus. But I think that's probably something to do with the architecture used.

Alastyr said,

FX is also not a secure browser, not by being unsecure - but it's the software with the most security exploits.
( http://arstechnica.com/securit...ding-in-pwn2own-contest.ars http://www.tgdaily.com/securit...refox-most-insecure-browser )

As others have explained, number of security exploits does not directly correlate with insecurity. There are many factors: Zero day exploits, time taken to issue patch, and transparency of which microsoft has a particularly bad record. Lots of exploits can go years without being reported because of the closed nature of IE. Firefox on the other hand benefits from peer review and the scrutiny of being open source. And finally, lets talk viruses/malware, because they pose a huge security risk. Wait IE is the only browser that infects windows systems with viruses right? I guess the majority of the public would agree then that IE is without doubt the most insecure browser regardless of cherry picking statistics.

Alastyr said,

and IE8 IS a good browser, and IE9 will be an even better browser, only time will tell if it can match up though I doubt it (due to lack of addons and such...)

I've used IE8. and I have to say compared to ff, chrome, opera etc, it's very poor. And yes i agree with you, add-on support for IE really sucks, and so does it's web standards compliance, but that's no surprise really. as every predecessor has been the same.

LoveThePenguin said,

Only relevant to windows machines. And like google, IBM is probably moving mostly to linux. And no doubt it can implement it's own internal admin tools, because that's what most big corps do.

Yes, it is - it is only relevant to the discussion about using FX in AD-deployments using Windows. I am fully aware of that, it was an argument against "FX is easy-peacy in AD-environments".

Yes, they can use internal tools if they have the resources. Not every company has an IT-staff of more than 10 people though, some people are already pretty limited.

LoveThePenguin said,
Chromium runs fine on ubuntu, and I never noticed excessive ram consumption. Perhaps it's your OS. I mean vista was know for eating ram after all.

Win7 Enterprise 64-bit, at the moment Chrome uses ~600mb RAM, I know I don't have any virus/spyware etc, but I have the RAM i need and chrome is fast so I don't care.
(yes, I know it's ALOT of RAM, shut it. )

LoveThePenguin said,
While I applaud the efforts of the chrome adblock plugin, it's still nowhere near as functional as Firefox's adblock plus. But I think that's probably something to do with the architecture used.

It's not as good, but it exists.

LoveThePenguin said,
As others have explained, number of security exploits does not directly correlate with insecurity.[...]

I agree, and as I said:
"FX is also not a secure browser, not by being unsecure - but it's the software with the most security exploits."
I didn't even mention patch-time, zero-day, etc.

And I'm not quite sure I agree on IE8 being so insecure, it's the most attacked browser, it doesn't even have the 2nd most security holes (Safari does, read here: http://www.cenzic.com/pr_200911091/ ) and I believe that Microsoft is one of the most security concerned developers around THESE DAYS. (I have to stress these days, before they were utterly crap.)
That's just my subjective meaning though.

LoveThePenguin said,
I've used IE8. and I have to say compared to ff, chrome, opera etc, it's very poor. And yes i agree with you, add-on support for IE really sucks, and so does it's web standards compliance, but that's no surprise really. as every predecessor has been the same.

Yes it is, but compare it to IE6 and you know they are going in a very good direction at a very high pace.

LoveThePenguin said
Chromium runs fine on ubuntu, and I never noticed excessive ram consumption. Perhaps it's your OS. I mean vista was know for eating ram after all.

Nonsense, Chrome is a memory hog by design. The excessive process separation (tabs, extensions run in their own processes with their own renderer, JS engine, etc.) does not come free of costs. I need to use Firefox for several days straight without restarting before it reaches the memory usage of Chrome directly after starting it (with 19 extensions and 3 app tabs).

Erunno said,
(with 19 extensions and 3 app tabs).

Although off-topic I have to ask, 19 extensions?!
I'm using two...
What are these? I haven't found anyone thats usefull enough among the top-lists.

Alastyr said,

Although off-topic I have to ask, 19 extensions?!
I'm using two...
What are these? I haven't found anyone thats usefull enough among the top-lists.

1-ClickWeather for Chrome - what is says
Chromed Bird - Twitter client for Chrome
ChromeItLater - A rather primitive button to add pages to ReadItLater
ChromeMilk - Frontend for Remember the milk
Docs PDF/PowerPoint Viewer - better than nothing until Google integrates a native PDF reader
FIFA.com Chrome Extension - what it says
GMail Notifier - better than the official extension as it supports desktop notifications
Goolge Calendar Checker Plus - only calender extension which supports multiple calendars
Google Dictionary
Google Quick Scroll - great extension if you use Google a lot
Google Reader Notifier - what it says
Google Similar Pages - what it says
Notifier for Google Wave - what it says
One Manga Reader - helps me to organize my obsession ;-)
RSS Subscription extension - what it says
Secbrowsing - plugin version checker - checks if your plugins are up to date
Send using GMail (no button) - redirects mailto: links to GMail
Wikipedia companion - occasionally useful as you can quickly switch between two languages
XMarks Bookmarks sync - I don't want to tie myself to Chrome that closely (yet).

Who cares for IBM, i will stick with IE8 on my Windows 7 machine, waiting for IE9. Microsoft has better software.

6205 said,
Who cares for IBM, i will stick with IE8 on my Windows 7 machine, waiting for IE9. Microsoft has better software.

That statement doesn't seem to be backed up by any factual basis but is purely based on personal preference and therefore is irrelevant.

Udedenkz said,

That statement doesn't seem to be backed up by any factual basis but is purely based on personal preference and therefore is irrelevant.
Go look at IE9 platform preview and Windows 7 benchamarks/reviews and tell me if that is irrelevant.

6205 said,
Who cares for IBM, i will stick with IE8 on my Windows 7 machine, waiting for IE9. Microsoft has better software.

I was just wondering what you will stick with. I couldn't sleep last night due to not knowing whether IBM's decision would affect you sticking with IE8.

Still, read the article and offer a uniform solution including IE8 for Mac and Linux computers, then we'll talk.

Xypro said,
Go look at IE9 platform preview and Windows 7 benchamarks/reviews and tell me if that is irrelevant.

Firefox 4 will also have Direct2D acceleration, which destroys your argument. After all, Firefox is the clear winner there.

Xypro said,
Go look at IE9 platform preview and Windows 7 benchamarks/reviews and tell me if that is irrelevant.

You used the words "platform preview" and "benchmarks" in that sentence and you expect that to be relevant? Sure, if I designed a test that was designed specifically for my software, I'd be turning ignorant heads as well.

6205 said,
Who cares for IBM, i will stick with IE8 on my Windows 7 machine, waiting for IE9. Microsoft has better software.

The corporate world cares a great deal about IBM. As for you, well MS fb's are a dime a dozen on this site,

The reason why I love Gecko is because: when the Mozilla team implement a feature, they have to get it absolutely perfect. WebKit (in my opinion!!!) feels rushed, sometimes.

Meph said,
The reason why I love Gecko is because: when the Mozilla team implement a feature, they have to get it absolutely perfect. WebKit (in my opinion!!!) feels rushed, sometimes.

See, I'm not the only one thinking that way.

excalpius said,
How last decade of IBM. It's Chrome now...

Chrome will struggle to exist in the corporate world, no msi installer = nightmare for admins to deploy.

thealexweb said,

Chrome will struggle to exist in the corporate world, no msi installer = nightmare for admins to deploy.

I agree. And also Chrome is lacking some basic features as of now.

I use Firefox but I make MSI installers to deploy ChromePlus, though.

In the end, I think everyone is entitled to his opinion and each one should use whatever they like the best, without talking about how bad are the others.

thealexweb said,

Chrome will struggle to exist in the corporate world, no msi installer = nightmare for admins to deploy.

AdminStudio 9.5 begs to differ.

Regardz

excalpius said,
How last decade of IBM. It's Chrome now...

Yes, because I want to use a browser from a company whose sole money-making model is tracking your browsing habits and searches to share to advertisers.

I totally want to do that.

thealexweb said,

Chrome will struggle to exist in the corporate world, no msi installer = nightmare for admins to deploy.


MSI is for the windows platform only. IBM runs macs and a lot of Linux machines too. Linux has automatic software updates and full admin control.

And other thing. I don't care about the speed. As long as it works is all I care about. If you are just interested in the speed, then you need to get a clue ..

LukeEDay said,
And other thing. I don't care about the speed. As long as it works is all I care about. If you are just interested in the speed, then you need to get a clue ..

Agreed. I think too much emphasis is put on speed, but that doesn't account for usability, customisation, stability, and of course security.

Kreuger said,
Does this mean that they'll be contributing code to improve Firefox?

That's unlikely. They're just users.

Meph said,

That's unlikely. They're just users.

Are they? They are the top contributor to the Linux Kernel. I wouldn't call it unlikely for them to contribute to an open source project.

Kreuger said,
Does this mean that they'll be contributing code to improve Firefox?

IBM is a big contributor to FOSS projects, so it's quite possible, but I think it's more likely they will develop their own internal extensions.

There are a number of pages that don't show right in IE8. I will wait till IE9 comes out to give my opinion on that one ... And firefox is only bloated if you put a lot of extensions in it, which I don't ..

I agree. IE8 displays things better then FireFox. If somebody wants to follow standards compliant go with IE8. I guess somebody should write to IBM that there is IE8 released almost over a year ago.

techguy77 said,
I agree. IE8 displays things better then FireFox. If somebody wants to follow standards compliant go with IE8. I guess somebody should write to IBM that there is IE8 released almost over a year ago.

The problem is that IE is Microsoft's software...and there is some bias against Microsoft in IBM (let's not spend our resources with competitor software sort of thing...)

sviola said,

The problem is that IE is Microsoft's software...and there is some bias against Microsoft in IBM (let's not spend our resources with competitor software sort of thing...)

I don't think that's really an issue if they're using Windows anyway.

techguy77 said,
If somebody wants to follow standards compliant go with IE8

I lol'd. I will know to ignore your posts from now on due to their fantastical and blatantly fallacious remarks.

Heartripper said,
Well, i'm a firefox fan but i think everyone should use the browser that best fits his needs.

Thank you for this. I agree, esp. when I have little choice but to use IE at work for SharePoint. Otherwise, I'm really enjoying Chrome and Opera at home and when teaching at my other job.

Firefox is stunningly standards compliant...

Not quite. For example, IE correctly displays labels as values in select element options elements, over their content, when both present; where as Firefox always uses content as values in option elements, leaving labels to no good. And specs are saying what IE is doing.

Firefox is blah. IE8 is a way to go cause it is faster then firefox. Firefox is bloated. I do programming and things are more correctly displayed in IE8 then on FireFox. IE7 and IE6 is another story. Hey but what to expect from IBM, all their software is utter crap starting from Rational Software etc.

techguy77 said,
Firefox is blah. IE8 is a way to go cause it is faster then firefox. Firefox is bloated. I do programming and things are more correctly displayed in IE8 then on FireFox. IE7 and IE6 is another story. Hey but what to expect from IBM, all their software is utter crap starting from Rational Software etc.
Why not write IBM and tell them they need to put IE8 on their Linux and Apple computers?

markjensen said,
Why not write IBM and tell them they need to put IE8 on their Linux and Apple computers?

As I said IBM is a joke company when it comes to Software Development. Hey have been and hey are hardware company and they should stick with it. Don't get offended by but Running Linux or Apple Computer as Workstation over PC with Windows 7 is pretty stupid. Because Linux and Apple are nowhere near PC with Windows 7 as far as productivity goes meaning user can do way more thing on PC. I believe Linux should be shipped to people who are just about messaging, internet and email and PC with Windows to power users.

markjensen said,
Why not write IBM and tell them they need to put IE8 on their Linux and Apple computers?

I second that. I love how the IE fan boys just hate Firefox. Ie is nothing but a malwared, trojan attracting, virus hoarding POS ...

markjensen said,
Why not write IBM and tell them they need to put IE8 on their Linux and Apple computers?

Those can run Windows too.

LukeEDay said,

I second that. I love how the IE fan boys just hate Firefox. Ie is nothing but a malwared, trojan attracting, virus hoarding POS ...

I guess me and million other people are exception who don't catch any virus or trojan with IE8. I can give you plenty of cases of people with FireFox catching every possible ****.
Really...get a clue. FireFox is slower then IE, pretty much bloated application. Google Chrome owns it.

techguy77 said,
Firefox is blah. IE8 is a way to go cause it is faster then firefox. Firefox is bloated. I do programming and things are more correctly displayed in IE8 then on FireFox. IE7 and IE6 is another story. Hey but what to expect from IBM, all their software is utter crap starting from Rational Software etc.

....lol
A whole lot of biased, didn't read the article, hate in this one.

techguy77 said,

I guess me and million other people are exception who don't catch any virus or trojan with IE8. I can give you plenty of cases of people with FireFox catching every possible ****.
Really...get a clue. FireFox is slower then IE, pretty much bloated application. Google Chrome owns it.

I agree, IE is the BEST browser on Windows.

And don't give me that "oooooooh it's not standards complaint" excuse, you'll see in August with IE9 Beta. Every browser will be blown outta water

markjensen said,
Why not write IBM and tell them they need to put IE8 on their Linux and Apple computers?

Last time I saw, Windows XP and IE 6 (yup, IE 8, was nowhere in sight and IE 7 was available for install, but with application compatibility issues) were the official OS and browser in the equipment in IBM. IT didn't provide linux support, nor did they use Apple equipment, besides employees owning iPhones.

But there were options forinstalling ubuntu or red hat, altough without support.

Firefox was available as an official browser for use in there since way before this announcement (I think since version 2).

LukeEDay said,

I second that. I love how the IE fan boys just hate Firefox. Ie is nothing but a malwared, trojan attracting, virus hoarding POS ...

There should be only one type of people (apart from the fanboys, of course ) defending the use of IE, the malware/virus writers.

ViperAFK said,

IE8 is NOT more standards complaint than firefox, thats a fact.

True. As far as standards go IE8 has pretty good CSS2 support...beyond that, not so much...

techguy77 said,

As I said IBM is a joke company when it comes to Software Development. Hey have been and hey are hardware company and they should stick with it. Don't get offended by but Running Linux or Apple Computer as Workstation over PC with Windows 7 is pretty stupid. Because Linux and Apple are nowhere near PC with Windows 7 as far as productivity goes meaning user can do way more thing on PC. I believe Linux should be shipped to people who are just about messaging, internet and email and PC with Windows to power users.

You must be the REAL tech guy! Not some phony, no sir.

One thing you obviously don't know (from the ignorance in your comment) is that IBM is a service company now. They bring large scale IT solutions to business/corporate users. Their focus, as a company, hasn't been on hardware/software for years!

techguy77 said,

As I said IBM is a joke company when it comes to Software Development. Hey have been and hey are hardware company and they should stick with it. Don't get offended by but Running Linux or Apple Computer as Workstation over PC with Windows 7 is pretty stupid. Because Linux and Apple are nowhere near PC with Windows 7 as far as productivity goes meaning user can do way more thing on PC. I believe Linux should be shipped to people who are just about messaging, internet and email and PC with Windows to power users.

<snip> Really. Mad because they aren't just using Windows only? I can do a lot more stuff on my Linux OS than I can do on Windows out of the box. Just some of the stuff to get those features I get in Linux, you have to pay for it in Windows not Linux. Yeah, I don't care to shell out hundreds of dollars to get what I want.

Linux is a developers OS and even for a simple normal user. <snip>

Edited by markjensen, Jul 2 2010, 12:10am : Removed personal attack.

techguy77 said,
I do programming and things are more correctly displayed in IE8 then on FireFox.

You just revealed your flaw sir. You're writing code using MS documentation, which has never been and will never be as standards compliant as FF. I suggest you follow the W3.org website if you wish to be truly standards compliant. The same applies to the MS documentation for C; it encourages developers to use MS extensions rendering their code impossible to port to other platforms. In those cases I suggest using POSIX which most platforms implement.

I used to work at IBM, developing web applications and the like. We moved away from IE6 and adopted IE7 last year. We also developed our applications for both IE7 and Firefox, and they were required to work correctly on both. A little later on, we put more emphasis on Firefox than on IE7, because the darn thing (IE7) wouldn't work properly! So the move to make Firefox the default browser has been in the works for a few years, and I for one am all for it!

It's great news that more and more companies are moving away from the inherently insecure IE. Google, and now IBM. Soon IE will be a forgotten bad dream

leo221 said,
firefox is slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow!

when your running Windows XP on a 10 year old PC don't expect fast performance, And whats your internet speed? huh? yeah that's what i though

I'm sorry but Firefox performance IS really slow when you compare it to Chrome. And when you start using addons the performance degrades and you find Firefox constantly searching for updated versions. Firefox was my default browser for years but it simply hasn't kept up with the competition, with relation to performance, standards support or features.

Inklin said,
Something must be up with your computer if you are finding Firefox slow!

Firefox is pretty slow on Mac OS X compared to other applications in general.

theyarecomingforyou said,
I'm sorry but Firefox performance IS really slow when you compare it to Chrome.

Chrome also eats RAM like an hungry boy in a Macdonald.

leo221 said,
firefox is slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow!

Cold booting Firefox is slow, but after that its fine.

Inklin said,
Something must be up with your computer if you are finding Firefox slow!

I have i7 920 8gb ddr3 ram. chrome loads 5x faster than ff

iamwhoiam said,
I've had FF using over a gig. What's your point.

It's due to a bug or to a buggy addon. Chrome in normally uses more RAM than firefox when using more than one tab. Don't you belive? Here is the test.

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/...010/06/500x_memory_use_.jpg
http://cache.gawkerassets.com/...se_with_five_extensions.jpg

taken from http://lifehacker.com/5575407/...=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+lifehacker%2Ffull+%28Lifehacker%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

leo221 said,

I have i7 920 8gb ddr3 ram. chrome loads 5x faster than ff

Its not just hardware.. it must be software. Your computer must be infected with some crappy malware or worst of all you are plain dumb to not even properly use computer with such a high horse power CPU. I have Quadcore wirh 3 GB RAM and firefox runs awesome. So if its not your computer then it must be you.

Sorry to say guys, I'm a FireFox user but it definitely IS slow compared to competition. Even IE8 is faster in rendering pages.
I don't have any virus on my pc, I don't have a slow PC (4 GB, dual core 2.0 Ghz) and my other software runs just fine.
The one and only reason I'm using Firefox is adblock plus.

From Sutor's blog, sourced in this article:

It is not news that some IBM employees use Firefox. It is news that all IBM employees will be asked to use it as their default browser.
Given his earlier assertion that they use all three major platforms (Windows, Mac, Linux), it seems that they are going to default their Apple desktops to Firefox over Safari as well.

Interesting.

ammali said,
Fire fox... Pokémon reference in the title... Firefox = Vulpix?

Oddley I thought charamander since he's kinds like a little fire fox (well donasaur... )

Not that I know much about pokemon or anything..

Squirtle squirtle...

Sounds like someone's thinking. Also means that if more companies follow or at least follow in regards to moving away from IE6, web devs can actually stop writing hacks for a severely outdated browser. All in all, very good news.

Metodi Mitov said,
Sounds like someone's thinking. Also means that if more companies follow or at least follow in regards to moving away from IE6, web devs can actually stop writing hacks for a severely outdated browser. All in all, very good news.

+1 to that.

Metodi Mitov said,
Sounds like someone's thinking. Also means that if more companies follow or at least follow in regards to moving away from IE6, web devs can actually stop writing hacks for a severely outdated browser. All in all, very good news.

More companies are moving away from IE6.....to IE8. Firefox has lost market share the last two months and IE has gained. IE8 is now the most popular browser. Moving 400,000 corporate computers to FireFox is stupid if those computers run Windows and are part of Active Directory. IE8 has 1400 GPO options that can be set and inforced with Active Directory. Firefox has NONE.

rrode74 said,

More companies are moving away from IE6.....to IE8. Firefox has lost market share the last two months and IE has gained. IE8 is now the most popular browser. Moving 400,000 corporate computers to FireFox is stupid if those computers run Windows and are part of Active Directory. IE8 has 1400 GPO options that can be set and inforced with Active Directory. Firefox has NONE.

Don't have a problem with IE in general. I do have a problem with the numerous companies that are still sticking to IE6. IE8 is fine and if IBM had decided and announced that they're moving from IE6 to IE8, I'd still be happy.

In other words, I'm not congratulating them for moving TO FireFox, I'm congratulating them for moving FROM IE6. Still, considering they have Macs being used in the company, what alternative can you offer them in the IE spectrum? IE5.5 for Mac? What about their Linux computers? Wine + IE6? Hence the move to FireFox rather than IE8 so they can keep things uniform within their own network, thus not having their web devs testing things over 5 different browsers for internal applications.

rrode74 said,

IE8 has 1400 GPO options that can be set and inforced with Active Directory. Firefox has NONE.

Please get your facts right, as Firefox does have a ADM and can produce GPO's. I am looking to deploy Firefox on my home domain test network in the summer with a raft of other changes and looking around there are plenty of ADM's and GPO's produced for Firefox for deployment.

rrode74 said,

More companies are moving away from IE6.....to IE8. Firefox has lost market share the last two months and IE has gained. IE8 is now the most popular browser. Moving 400,000 corporate computers to FireFox is stupid if those computers run Windows and are part of Active Directory. IE8 has 1400 GPO options that can be set and inforced with Active Directory. Firefox has NONE.

Moving off IE to Firefox is a very smart decision if you are running Windows. IE is a totally insecure browser which puts your company at risk. Plus it lets you start using standards rather than the proprietary Microsoft web garbage.

Then it will make it easier to completely move off the super expensive proprietary Microsoft platforms. So yes, this is a big win and a very smart move. Too bad most companies are run by total idiots who love sending millions a year to Microsoft for vendor lock-in. No thanks.

Metodi Mitov said,

Don't have a problem with IE in general. I do have a problem with the numerous companies that are still sticking to IE6. IE8 is fine and if IBM had decided and announced that they're moving from IE6 to IE8, I'd still be happy.

In other words, I'm not congratulating them for moving TO FireFox, I'm congratulating them for moving FROM IE6. Still, considering they have Macs being used in the company, what alternative can you offer them in the IE spectrum? IE5.5 for Mac? What about their Linux computers? Wine + IE6? Hence the move to FireFox rather than IE8 so they can keep things uniform within their own network, thus not having their web devs testing things over 5 different browsers for internal applications.

There is no alternative for IBM. Lets be honest. They left the client world by selling off of the PC divisions. IBM is a solutions company now. Their "Solutions" run on Linux servers. I am suprised they have not ditched IE a long time ago. I have used Lotus Notes and their version of Open Office....I feel sorry for their employees.

Bullhead said,

Moving off IE to Firefox is a very smart decision if you are running Windows. IE is a totally insecure browser which puts your company at risk. Plus it lets you start using standards rather than the proprietary Microsoft web garbage.

Then it will make it easier to completely move off the super expensive proprietary Microsoft platforms. So yes, this is a big win and a very smart move. Too bad most companies are run by total idiots who love sending millions a year to Microsoft for vendor lock-in. No thanks.

I hope you dont work in IT. IE 8 not secure????

http://nsslabs.com/browser-security here is the small version of the report.

http://nsslabs.com/test-report...0_BrowserSEM_Summ_FINAL.pdf

GOOD LUCK with FireFox. Again if you are running Windows desktops/laptops/VDI's and Active Directory (80% of the corporate world) FireFox has NO official GPO support. There is a un-official solution that is half ass at best. I can lock down IE8 so tight that a user can do anything but go to the sites I have aloud with GPO's. So that is taking THE MOST secure browser and making it more secure. If I move to FireFox I am getting a less secure browser and I cant lock down what the user does with it.

Bullhead said,

Moving off IE to Firefox is a very smart decision if you are running Windows. IE is a totally insecure browser which puts your company at risk. Plus it lets you start using standards rather than the proprietary Microsoft web garbage.

Then it will make it easier to completely move off the super expensive proprietary Microsoft platforms. So yes, this is a big win and a very smart move. Too bad most companies are run by total idiots who love sending millions a year to Microsoft for vendor lock-in. No thanks.

This is a perfect example of someone who in reality has no idea what they are talking about (except bias) deceptiveley posting a seemingly intelligent post.

That was full of fanboyism and pure ignorance.

No offense, I use and love Firefox, but what you just said sounds similar to the people who will stand by and defend anything they use just for the sake of defending it.

rrode74 said,

I hope you dont work in IT. IE 8 not secure????

http://nsslabs.com/browser-security here is the small version of the report.

http://nsslabs.com/test-report...0_BrowserSEM_Summ_FINAL.pdf

GOOD LUCK with FireFox. Again if you are running Windows desktops/laptops/VDI's and Active Directory (80% of the corporate world) FireFox has NO official GPO support. There is a un-official solution that is half ass at best. I can lock down IE8 so tight that a user can do anything but go to the sites I have aloud with GPO's. So that is taking THE MOST secure browser and making it more secure. If I move to FireFox I am getting a less secure browser and I cant lock down what the user does with it.

i sure hope you dont work in IT. A vendor funded study saying their product is more secure? imagine that! http://www.thetechherald.com/a...touting-the-benefits-of-IE8

You would be fired if you worked for me and pushed that. I can lock anyones browser down by simply using a proxy. No super expensive, insecure, Microsoft solutions needed.

So like i said, move to Firefox, move off Windows to Linux, save a boatload of money, and have a much more secure environment to boot. Only smart people who have a clue do that.

From someone who uses Firefox myself I can't think "how desperate" are the open source foundation to make such a big deal about 1 guys blog. I wonder what the "Vice President of Microsoft Technologies" at IBM says in his blogs??

robyholmes said,

Please get your facts right, as Firefox does have a ADM and can produce GPO's. I am looking to deploy Firefox on my home domain test network in the summer with a raft of other changes and looking around there are plenty of ADM's and GPO's produced for Firefox for deployment.

There are GPO's for Firefox (I said as much in a later post). They are third party, and un-supported by the makers of FireFox. They also lack in many respects compared to IE8's GPO's. I have used a few to deploy Firfox 3.x once.

Bullhead said,

i sure hope you dont work in IT. A vendor funded study saying their product is more secure? imagine that! http://www.thetechherald.com/a...touting-the-benefits-of-IE8

You would be fired if you worked for me and pushed that. I can lock anyones browser down by simply using a proxy. No super expensive, insecure, Microsoft solutions needed.

So like i said, move to Firefox, move off Windows to Linux, save a boatload of money, and have a much more secure environment to boot. Only smart people who have a clue do that.

Please provide ANY recent study that says Firefox is more secure than IE8...ANY. I also said many times "if using Windows" IE8 is all around better than FireFox.

rrode74 said,

I hope you dont work in IT. IE 8 not secure????

Most people who work in IT (including me) know all too well how insecure and susceptible to viruses/malware IE is and has been for over a decade. You might enjoy living in a fantasy land, but the rest of us who live in the realworld IE is the bane of our lives both in security and web standards. I can't count the number of times I've had to replace IE with firefox to prevent reoccurring virus/malware infections, they are simply too numerous; forget buffer overflows, and remote code execution, for those exploits rarely affect ordinary users due to the complexity and conditions required. The real bane is IE and viruses/malware. You can't simply dismiss the hundreds of millions of infections in windows/IE no matter however much you'd like to.

rrode74 said,
GOOD LUCK with FireFox

It's a pleasure using Firefox, especially knowing I'm sure, however I can't say the same for IE. If you use IE it's only a matter of time before your PC gets compromised.

rrode74 said,

Again if you are running Windows desktops/laptops/VDI's and Active Directory (80% of the corporate world) FireFox has NO official GPO support.

Who cares about windows. It's a dying dinosaur, and good riddance. GNU/Linux and OSX are the future, because apple and google actually innovate instead of saying they do like steve "sweaty pits" baumer. There's so much momentum and excitement about FOSS and true open standards now that MS is left out in the cold. The corporate world/governments are also starting realise that they can run their systems more cheaply and with better standards compliance, whilst evading the vendor lock-in as epitomised by MS proprietary software.

robyholmes said,

Please get your facts right, as Firefox does have a ADM and can produce GPO's.

Please get YOUR facts right. As mentioned, the Active Directory integration for Firefox is 3rd party and not officially supported. You can't even find an MSI installer for it.

Dumb move by IBM, IMO. I use Firefox personally, but I would never move my entire enterprise to it. That's very silly from a management perspective.

LoveThePenguin said,

Who cares about windows. It's a dying dinosaur, and good riddance. GNU/Linux and OSX are the future, because apple and google actually innovate instead of saying they do like steve "sweaty pits" baumer. There's so much momentum and excitement about FOSS and true open standards now that MS is left out in the cold. The corporate world/governments are also starting realise that they can run their systems more cheaply and with better standards compliance, whilst evading the vendor lock-in as epitomised by MS proprietary software.

This is a joke post, right? Linux and OSX have an extremely long way to go before they will be widely adopted in corporate America. Who cares about Windows? The millions of companies who run it and will continue to do so unless something better comes along. HINT: This probably has little to do with Google.

overkeel said,

This is a joke post, right? Linux and OSX have an extremely long way to go before they will be widely adopted in corporate America.


This article is about IBM. They run a lot of Linux machines and are a huge corporation. Sorry to disappoint.

LoveThePenguin said,

Most people who work in IT (including me) know all too well how insecure and susceptible to viruses/malware IE is and has been for over a decade. You might enjoy living in a fantasy land, but the rest of us who live in the realworld IE is the bane of our lives both in security and web standards. I can't count the number of times I've had to replace IE with firefox to prevent reoccurring virus/malware infections, they are simply too numerous; forget buffer overflows, and remote code execution, for those exploits rarely affect ordinary users due to the complexity and conditions required. The real bane is IE and viruses/malware. You can't simply dismiss the hundreds of millions of infections in windows/IE no matter however much you'd like to.


It's a pleasure using Firefox, especially knowing I'm sure, however I can't say the same for IE. If you use IE it's only a matter of time before your PC gets compromised.


Who cares about windows. It's a dying dinosaur, and good riddance. GNU/Linux and OSX are the future, because apple and google actually innovate instead of saying they do like steve "sweaty pits" baumer. There's so much momentum and excitement about FOSS and true open standards now that MS is left out in the cold. The corporate world/governments are also starting realise that they can run their systems more cheaply and with better standards compliance, whilst evading the vendor lock-in as epitomised by MS proprietary software.

As someone who's worked in IT for 14 years and a Infrastructure and Security Architect for medium sized house-hold brand in the UK (about 800 staff) I can assure YOU that you're talking out of your bottom.

Bar the joke about Windows "dying" (90% plus - bar the odd point it's the same as it was 15 years ago), IE is the MOST secure solution for a Windows NT6 based platform for a number of reasons - the biggest being for using UAC - in turn protected mode. This ensure the browser runs in a lower security context to even the end-user. FF doesn't do that.

Have FF, Opera and IE on my home and work machines. Personally I use IE8 with IEPro plug-in not through a love for Microsoft or due to the in ability to use other tools - but because under NT6 it's the most secure browser.

In the enterprise the same rule applies - although the GPO's are also a killer reason too.

Yeah in the past IE was a dog for security on older version of Windows. I actually have FF a
s the default browser for a short period of time (at the time there were no GPO's so I reverted back to IE) based on security.

However IE7 and IE8 on Vista and 7 have gone WAY ahead in terms of exploitable security holes. When we rolled Vista out (early 2007) IE was the default and I can't see a single reason to move from that anytime soon.


Do some Yeah in the past IE was a dog for security on older version of Windows. I actually have FF as the default browser for a short period of time (at the time there were no GPO's so I reverted back to IE) based on security.
However IE7 and IE8 on Vista and 7 have gone WAY ahead in terms of exploitable security holes. When we rolled Vista out (early 2007) IE was the default and I can't see a single reason to move from that anytime soon.

Stop living in the dream world. FOSS, Google and Apple have all made MS change their ways through competition. This is good and needs to continue. However none of them have more than the odd % in the corporate market and that hasn't changed during Microsoft's bad times (late 90'd, early 2000's) through to now. They ARE the standard for the vast, overwhelming majority of enterprises.

LoveThePenguin said,

This article is about IBM. They run a lot of Linux machines and are a huge corporation. Sorry to disappoint.

I don't understand why you are bringing this up. My post was in response to yours, in which you made some pretty sweeping remarks that had little to do with IBM. I was just responding in kind. That fact that you are stating that I'm off-topic (instead of replying to my remarks) tells me you don't have much info to back up your claims.

IBM does not dictate to the universe what browser to use. They (even as big as they are) are a small fraction of the entire corporate market. Some may follow suit because "IBM did it, so should we", but it's certainly not the tolling death bell for IE, Microsoft, or Windows.

To say that Windows is dying is completely off the mark, and you know it.

Metodi Mitov said,
...moving away from IE6, web devs can actually stop writing hacks for a severely outdated browser.

This!