ICANN shoots down .xxx yet again

It looks as if the board of ICANN has quickly brought the revival of the .xxx domain idea to a standstill: in a meeting in Lisbon, the board voted down ICM Registry's proposal, 9 to 5. In turning down the .xxx TLD application yet again, ICANN's board cited a number of reasons, including public policy concerns and varying global standards over what constitutes adult content. ICANN was concerned that it would ultimately end up being responsible for content found in the proposed TLD, noting that the belief of all pornographic content moving to the new domain and henceforth being easily blocked simply isn't going to happen. ICM Registry's proposals have run into opposition from the US government, the American Civil Liberties Union, and some conservative religious groups. Many pornographic website operators also opposed the move, as they feared that an .xxx TLD would result in governments restricting access to all sites in the domain, leading to a drop in traffic and revenues.

"The ICM application raises significant law enforcement compliance issues because of countries' varying laws relating to content and practices that define the nature of the application, therefore obligating ICANN to acquire responsibility related to content and conduct," said ICANN.

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Emmy said,
    You disagree that by grouping specific websites it makes theme asier to find for those specifically looking? K.

    grouping is great... forcing is another issue. Australian sites group together becuase they choose too. cn etc tld etc. choose is the issue here.

  • yes it does restrict your telling a legit owner of a website, what he can and cant do on his property. feel free to block sites on a individual person basis. this is a choice aka freedom.

    If ICANN passes this then they are still not being forced on to the TLD. It is entirely optional.

    but the issue is people i see in the topic are assuming all porn sites will be force into the xxx tld so they can be blocked. this is what im against.


    What? I was simply rebutting what you implied several posts up. I wasn't confirming anything, but yet again you let your radical side take over, completely ignore the issue and scream conspiracy.

    looked like Freudian slip to me.

    So you're okay restricting freedoms of what you define as the minority? Nice, thanks for proving hypocritical.

    Are you saying kids have the same rights as adults aka majors? as far as i know they don't have most if any rights till 18 aka into they become majors. if you goal is to protect you must go to the lowest denominator. any other way of protecting would cost trillions with no effect gained.

    nice that you dont want to protect the children. only after censorship is what you are after basically.


    Either English is your second language, or you're definitely not as smart as me. You're obviously a radical, and I'm surprised you feel belittled by my comments since you just proved they're true - the white supremacist comment was included because you sound exactly like some high-level KKK members of times gone past. I'm curious what subtext you can read out of this, though, since I was pretty clear. Secondly, my true intention is not to censor the internet, I'm actually quite against it, but it's my firm belief that ill-educated malcontents like yourself are the reason censorship was created, and the reason it continues to attack our society. Oh, and yet again you chose to completely ignore my rebuttal for a non-existent, but apparently hidden, subtext of my 'true agenda.'

    at this point i really don't know why your even continuing you have attacked me repeatedly yet i cant call you on that fact.

    thx

yes it does restrict your telling a legit owner of a website, what he can and cant do on his property. feel free to block sites on a individual person basis. this is a choice aka freedom.

its a restriction, but not on SPEECH, unless you consider being able to present your porn with any domain you want a part of speech. i don't think that would hold up in court, for many reasons. and as far as its a restriction on a PROPERTY, its a matter of what we consider domain names to be. do we want domain names to be a public resource or a private resource? the reason we consider it a public resource is because two sites can't have the same domain name on the public internet. this is one of the reason copyright/trademark laws are enforced on domain names. private intranets can do more of what they want.

to protect kids, this is the only way to effectively do it and protect freedoms of the rest of the net. others ways would restrict freedom for the majority.

what i hate about this discussion is that people who try to make this into a censorship issues, neither a. can show a practical way that its censorship, or b. can neither establish why it sets a legal precedent for censorship.... but, instead are either taking an absolute libertarian position regarding regulation of any kind, or more likely, c. so paranoid about anyone who criticizes porn, thinking that they're some drone in a church that wants to establish a theocracy for 'the kids', put people in jail for viewing porn, and eventually all of their freedom to masturbate to Kate and Melissa Midwest will be taken away, which they won't and can't let happen.

c most likely describes most critics

as for enforcement

countries will have to make their own choice if its enforced, but if its not porn sites will either find reasons to move to xxx domains or individual countries will find themselves pressured to. if it is law, it wont stop porn sites from taking regular domains, it wouldnt be that enforceable, but it would be so easy to be legitimate and make money off porn, that there would be no reason to not use xxx unless you're being defiant. but it doesnt have to be law.

and what if a country does enforce it... and later decides to ban xxx ? well, if its banned, and people care about porn, all the porn sites will just move to regular tlds, and there will be so many, it will be impossible to hunt all of them down. and impossible to enforce. so the government gives up and removes the ban. and porn sites find reason to go back to xxx.

the main reason for opposing xxx from both religious people and the porn industry is political. the porn industry doesn't want to change how they're operating, even if they can and be succesful. religious people dont want to see porn as legitimized, even if it isnt fully legitimate.

brianshapiro said,
as for enforcement

...and what if a country does enforce it... and later decides to ban xxx ? well, if its banned, and people care about porn, all the porn sites will just move to regular tlds, and there will be so many, it will be impossible to hunt all of them down. and impossible to enforce. so the government gives up and removes the ban. and porn sites find reason to go back to xxx.

the main reason for opposing xxx from both religious people and the porn industry is political. the porn industry doesn't want to change how they're operating, even if they can and be succesful. religious people dont want to see porn as legitimized, even if it isnt fully legitimate.


If porn moves to .xxx and it gets banned by a country then how is that different from China banning most of the internet? It's just a classification after all. And what do Chinese people who don't agree with the governmental edict do when they want to look at something that has been banned? They get around it, just like kids circumventing NetNanny etc. do.
As to the poor porn companies losing revenue, boo frickin hoo. Noone owes them a living. The other side of the coin is that if you have an idea where something you want is (even if it as simple as putting <insert required type here>.xxx in a browser), you're more likely to find it than if you don't, and therefore you're more likely to give these poor benighted companies your cash for some action.

mrbester said,

If porn moves to .xxx and it gets banned by a country then how is that different from China banning most of the internet? It's just a classification after all. And what do Chinese people who don't agree with the governmental edict do when they want to look at something that has been banned? They get around it, just like kids circumventing NetNanny etc. do.
As to the poor porn companies losing revenue, boo frickin hoo. Noone owes them a living. The other side of the coin is that if you have an idea where something you want is (even if it as simple as putting <insert required type here>.xxx in a browser), you're more likely to find it than if you don't, and therefore you're more likely to give these poor benighted companies your cash for some action.

where does banning and censorship end? when will enough be enough? when they decided your freedoms are next then you will complain too bad no one will care about you.

The .xxx TLD is stupid anyway. There really is NO way you could make sure all the pornographic material was on an .xxx domain, and then you get into the question of what is considered porn in the first place.

And I don't know why America has to be brought up in this discussion. Looking at the last sentence, it seems like this decision was based on a global perspective anyway...

sorry to inform all non us citizens of the internet but here is the usa we have a radical political agenda made by radical right wing nutters. who try to restrict everything on moral or biblical grounds. we have been fighting the battle against these nuts for a long time. the radicals keep trying to codify Christian law into our government.

we are here to fight for freedom.

DigitalDude said,
yeah we been trying to get rid of em forever but they just keep coming back like the plague they are :(

they have a right to exist like these websites. thats the problem. we even allow them to exist. freedom has its price. our freedom comes with the right to allow them to exist.

werejag said,
sorry to inform all non us citizens of the internet but here is the usa we have a radical political agenda [. . .]

So you ARE from the USA! :P

intrinsik4 said,
werejag said,
sorry to inform all non us citizens of the internet but here is the usa we have a radical political agenda [. . .]

So you ARE from the USA! :P

yep this is true

PARANOID.

the article mentions religious groups dont want XXX either because they think it legitimizes porn.

people who want it are moderates, sorry to say.

brianshapiro said,
PARANOID.

the article mentions religious groups dont want XXX either because they think it legitimizes porn.

people who want it are moderates, sorry to say.

yeah and i have a bridge in san Fransisco.

The .xxx domain is entirely voluntary and policed. How many porn vendors do you think are going to submit themselves to this?

Furthermore, their reason for existence is to generate money - by restricting themselves to a .xxx domain, they would limit their income generating potential- that does not make business sense.

That, good sir, is exactly why this is a bad idea. If it worked, and absolutely all the porn vendors moved onto it, imo it would be an improvement since you wouldn't stumble across things (site squatters etc). Yes, and the Think Of The Children factor as well, although it should be the parents policing that not the gov't.
But, that's never going to happen. They'll never all do a mass move, it'd probably cost them to buy the new domains, there's the "why move?" factor, etc.

Good idea in theory, awful idea in the real world.

Esvandiary said,
That, good sir, is exactly why this is a bad idea. If it worked, and absolutely all the porn vendors moved onto it, imo it would be an improvement since you wouldn't stumble across things (site squatters etc). Yes, and the Think Of The Children factor as well, although it should be the parents policing that not the gov't.
But, that's never going to happen. They'll never all do a mass move, it'd probably cost them to buy the new domains, there's the "why move?" factor, etc.

Good idea in theory, awful idea in the real world.

i think you got good points.... im for the .xxx domain stuff myself.. although ithink your right as it will never happen cause if a high percentage of sites dont use it then whats the point. :(

p.s. i disagree with werejag and agree with most of the peoples comments that where going against him since they seemed to make more sence to me.... cause his "restricting freedom of speech" stuff is just crap since it aint restricting NOTHING , all it's doing is labeling it like how austrailia has .au etc etc etc. cause the .xxx domain would make it ALOT easier for people to filter out porn sites.... sure u can blame parents somewhat but this would make it far easier for them to block porn related sites!

ThaCrip said,

i think you got good points.... im for the .xxx domain stuff myself.. although ithink your right as it will never happen cause if a high percentage of sites dont use it then whats the point. :(

p.s. i disagree with werejag and agree with most of the peoples comments that where going against him since they seemed to make more sence to me.... cause his "restricting freedom of speech" stuff is just crap since it aint restricting NOTHING , all it's doing is labeling it like how austrailia has .au etc etc etc. cause the .xxx domain would make it ALOT easier for people to filter out porn sites.... sure u can blame parents somewhat but this would make it far easier for them to block porn related sites! ;)

ill explain a bit

the group of people wanting to move all porn sites to a .xxx tld want to ban such things. this is just a way to do it by pretending its protecting kids.

here is how they plan to do it

1. they force somehow all porn sites to a certain tld
2. then they get that tld blocked on a governmental isp level

we see this is true by a post of Emmy above.

after they do this what will these ppl ban next??? protecting rights some times protects people you do not agree. i will protect your right to choose.

parents have a right to block what their children see as long as it doesn't block my right to view it if i choose.
making it easier for parents is nice idea but this leads to the above nuts removing access for all. sorry but government has never been about making a parents job easier. parenting is a tireless job but they must do it.

god bless parents and the job they have

werejag said,

ill explain a bit

the group of people wanting to move all porn sites to a .xxx tld want to ban such things. this is just a way to do it by pretending its protecting kids.

here is how they plan to do it

1. they force somehow all porn sites to a certain tld
2. then they get that tld blocked on a governmental isp level

we see this is true by a post of Emmy above.

after they do this what will these ppl ban next??? protecting rights some times protects people you do not agree. i will protect your right to choose.

parents have a right to block what their children see as long as it doesn't block my right to view it if i choose.
making it easier for parents is nice idea but this leads to the above nuts removing access for all. sorry but government has never been about making a parents job easier. parenting is a tireless job but they must do it.

god bless parents and the job they have

Lol. Read my rebuttal, again you saw a hidden but non-existent subtext as you're just a conspiracy theorising child that doesn't want his porn supply limited. Porn sites aren't being forced on to the new TLD if it is allowed, therefore your points are moot and you're obviously just a dumbass.

Even if people wanted to ban the XXX domain it would never work, because porn sites would then start coming up on regular TLDs. and regular TLDs can never be so tightly policed. But, moreover, I think most people who support XXX domain realize this themselves, and have no delusions about what they can do.

puritanical would be = banning all porn.

but we have a distortion field today where anything that suggests in any little tiny bit that anything whatsoever to do with sex is a problem in any particular little way = puritanical

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