Internet Explorer 12 will include "substantial changes to the UI"

Not the new Internet Explorer. Pretty picture though.

Internet Explorer 12 may bring substantial UI changes. At least, that’s what a response from the IE team is hinting at, but nothing has been shown off publicly just yet.

Answering a query from a user on Microsoft Connect, someone on the IE team responded to a bug report by saying “Thanks for the feedback. We're making substantial changes to the UI, we'll keep this in mind. Best Regards, The Internet Explorer Team.”

This definitely sounds like the team is looking to change things around in IE vNext. What isn’t clear though, is which version of IE will actually get these changes. We’ve seen quite a few UI alterations in the latest version of Modern IE; however, the desktop browser has pretty much stayed the same for a number of years now - and with its simple and clean interface, we can't see too much that needs changing.

Some UI improvements would definitely help here

Firefox, one of IE’s greatest rivals, has gone through some major UI changes recently so it’s not a stretch to think the Internet Explorer team is also looking to refresh their browser. Then again this might be limited to the modern/metro IE which can be a bit confusing, especially for new users.

On top of these rumored changes we know for sure that Microsoft is looking to add new features like Web Audio, Media Capture, and HTTP/2 support. All of these are confirmed as being present in the next version of IE. For a more extensive list on upcoming features you can check out this list.

Source: Microsoft Connect  via: WinBeta | Top image via Microsoft

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The article starts with:
Internet Explorer 12 will include "substantial changes to the UI"

Then shifts to less certain:
Internet Explorer 12 may bring substantial UI changes.

To actually stating "we don't have a clue"
What isn't clear though, is which version of IE will actually get these changes.


How do these articles make it through quality control? What a joke! :laugh:

Make desktop IE and metro IE share the same profiles and settings FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.

Honestly I think IE Metro looks great but yeah it could use a few improvements. Would like to see improvements to the IE Desktop UI as well. I wouldn't mind a chromeless desktop IE. Safari on OSX Yosemite sort of leapfrogged everything.

Why won't MS make a UI for Metro/tablets and another UI for laptops/desktops? "One size fits all" in any setting never has and never will work.

I'm hoping that Windows 9 will have a single version of Internet Explorer and that the "substantial changes to the UI" is the process of making that happen.

Whilst as a web developer IE is the bane of my existence, they really are doing an great job now, IE 11 is a really great browser. But i do like the look of chrome/firefox better, IE just seems so...plain, which suits some I guess, but me who spends most the day in a browser, its needs a little more flair.

When you have both modern and normal versions of IE running on the desktop in Windows 9, does it make sense to have both?

I'd seriously consider using IE..but until it gets Pinned Tabs (not the Pinned Sites feature) and a proper Add-Ons ecosystem then it's a no-go option.

I really don't care if the tab system can somehow make 100 tabs useful. Close some tabs or deal with your own created problems... none of them do that well.

1. Paste -> Go
2. Context menu "copy image url"

Support more standards and I'm golden. Everything else about it is great.

MrHumpty said,

1. Paste -> Go

Right-click on an empty space on the page and then either:
1. "Search using copied text" or
2. "Go to copied address".

MrHumpty said,
2. Context menu "copy image url"

Right click on the image and just click copy. It'll get the image address.

eddman said,
Right-click on an empty space on the page and then either:
1. "Search using copied text" or
2. "Go to copied address".
Hmm, I had never seen that
eddman said,
Right click on the image and just click copy. It'll get the image address.
Sweet mother of god when did that start happening?

Internet Explorer provides multiple formats when pasting an image you have copied from it.

If you paste into Paint then you'll get the image.

If you paste into Notepad then you'll get the URL.

DonC said,
Internet Explorer provides multiple formats when pasting an image you have copied from it.

If you paste into Paint then you'll get the image.

If you paste into Notepad then you'll get the URL.

Yea, once he said it I realized they were just using both the data and the text buckets of the clipboard. I should have tested that. I'm wondering when that started... have I been a moron for a short or long while. Wish there was some ui queue that was the case I guess.

We already know that they're working to make Metro apps run in individual Windows on the Desktop (supposedly due in either Update 2 or Win9).

If that's what they're planning to do, it doesn't really make sense to have 2 separate versions of IE anymore. I predict there will no longer be separate Desktop and Metro versions of IE and it will be one, full-featured Metro app that you can choose to run in a window on the desktop.

Hopefully they'll improve it on both. Though I genuinely find touch browsing in Modern IE to be a much more pleasant and natural experience than Safari on iPad and Chrome/Friefox/Opera on my Nexus.

Still, there are places that could be improved quite a bit. Especially the desktop version, which (even with it's slight update with IE10) really feels a bit old now, and the options on the right side still seem confusing and undiscoverable.

Looking forward to it, though will we see it this year? Or with Windows 9 next year?

For those of us who cannot install IE11, because the update fails (which seems to be a widespread problem), will IE 12 be any better? [MS sometimes indicates a corrupted or missing file, BUT, is not smart enough to tell the user which file is corrupt or missing. How can one fix the problem not knowing the file causing the problem?]

The only thing that I'm really missing, is a "View by last visited" option in history that goes back to when I cleared it last time.

"View by order visited today" isn't adequate at all and "View by date" is horrible.

I wonder if they will start catching up again. Palemoon 64bit outperforms IE11 in pretty much every single IE Testdrive situation. (2600 fish 60FPS on Palemoon vs 2000 fish and 45FPS on IE11)
And please fix TPL, it breaks websites by blocking Jquery and such (reason why I've stopped using IE11).

And dont break the design. It's perfect for me at least. As minimalistic as possible.

Shadowzz said,
please fix TPL

If you're using the EasyPrivacy TPL, don't; only use EasyList. That got rid of my issues.

You are complaining about TPL because YOU installed a TPL that breaks sites? Seiously?

Other stuff they should fix is virusses, because I installed a virus, and now my PC doesn't work anymore.

Shadowzz said,

And please fix TPL, it breaks websites by blocking Jquery and such (reason why I've stopped using IE11).

Hey, lets block half the Web and complain that the browser doesn't work.

eddman said,

If you're using the EasyPrivacy TPL, don't; only use EasyList. That got rid of my issues.


Then my bad, didn't have these issues using the same TPLs on IE9/10. Only when I put the personalized list to <4.

Shadowzz said,

Then my bad, didn't have these issues using the same TPLs on IE9/10. Only when I put the personalized list to <4.

Oh, yes, personalized is problematic too. I don't use it personally. Too much monitoring and adjusting.

Shadowzz said,
Should still be improved. A bit more control like ABP would be a very welcome change.

You can have your own TPL. All you need is a server with a few lines of code.

Check the source code here: https://elenarie.azurewebsites.net/TrackingProtectionList/ It really is a few lines to host your own TPL.

"<a href="javascript:window.external.msAddTrackingProtectionList('TrackingProtectionList.tpl', 'Elenarie\'s Tracking Protection List')">Install</a>"

elenarie said,

You can have your own TPL. All you need is a server with a few lines of code.

Check the source code here: https://elenarie.azurewebsites.net/TrackingProtectionList/ It really is a few lines to host your own TPL.

"<a href="javascript:window.external.msAddTrackingProtectionList('TrackingProtectionList.tpl', 'Elenarie\'s Tracking Protection List')">Install</a>"


Thanks, never thought to do that actually. I do run a simple http from home so I'm going to look into that for sure :)
Still would be nice if it would be manageable from within IE :)

FIX THE "Resume with tabs from the last session" OPTION!
It's useless, keeps failing and forgetting my tabs, and many others have complained about this.
Especially annoying if the system restarts itself unexpectedly.
By contrast, similar functionality works flawlessly in Firefox.

I wonder if it's being transformed to work with new Metro improvements that are coming? Really hope they don't end up cluttering up the UI again, though. I really love the design of IE9/10/11. Clutter free is the way to be.

Dot Matrix said,
I wonder if it's being transformed to work with new Metro improvements that are coming? Really hope they don't end up cluttering up the UI again, though. I really love the design of IE9/10/11. Clutter free is the way to be.

They can do whatever with the design as long as they keep all the functionality in.

singularity87 said,
They really need to fix the way UI extensions are handled though - it starts off clean then becomes ugly very quickly in my experience.
That's a result of users not IE. If you want 10 toolbars install them, otherwise don't. Default IE is glorious.

It definitely needs a better desktop UI or at least a Metro UI that works well with the desktop (considering the plans for Metro on the desktop).

singularity87 said,

It definitely needs a better desktop UI . . .


Agreed. If anything, it needs much better customisation, so it starts off with the same default UI
it has now, but a Customise Toolbar option is only couple of clicks click away so you can have
it as minimalist or as cluttered a UI layout to your own taste. A bit like Firefox, pre-Australis.

Imagine if MS released the latest version of IE, compatible for Windows (XP and above), Linux and MacOS! That would be a huge move to gain users...!

tomasse said,
Imagine if MS released the latest version of IE, compatible for Windows (XP and above), Linux and MacOS! That would be a huge move to gain users...!

Not going to happen.

Launching their browser back to Windows XP and Vista isn't going to happen. Linux is unlikely, through I do see it happen os Mac OS X, as they have done it before and their focus is now more on services en software instead of just the OS.

tomasse said,
Imagine if MS released the latest version of IE, compatible for Windows (XP and above), Linux and MacOS! That would be a huge move to gain users...!

There's a reason Microsoft doesn't support XP now... Well two reasons why Microsoft doesn't support WinXP now. One's technical, and the other is because *It's EoL*! Supporting XP again is not going to happen.

I would be happy with an update to the option screens, they are a mess right now. Just do that, and I'll go allong. :) Anyway, I'm looking forward to the future of IE.

cybersaurusrex said,
The Metro version of IE is confusing. Everything is moved around.

Hopefully you didn't get used to using the metro IE then :(

My Dad has, and I'll have to re-teach him how to use it.

I can see why corporate environments don't like to upgrade their OS/software, and I can certainly see how this would certainly make them not want to go into the apps route.

Back in time IE did have extensions. But realization was poor. They were unpopular, so they dropped it. They should revive them, but with better community support and with better extension store/portal. The one back then was horrible.

IE for Android would be interesting. As there is still no a single tablet browser with smooth UI. Everything lags desperately even on top hardware.

They also should rework entirely profile system. The way history, cookies and all the rest being saved. Should be disintegrated from system and suitable for update process.

coth said,
Back in time IE did have extensions. But realization was poor. They were unpopular, so they dropped it.

Huh? IE does support ActiveX-based extensions like it did for ages…

coth said,
Back in time IE did have extensions. But realization was poor. They were unpopular, so they dropped it. They should revive them, but with better community support and with better extension store/portal. The one back then was horrible.
...
They also should rework entirely profile system. The way history, cookies and all the rest being saved. Should be disintegrated from system and suitable for update process.

What the hell are you talking about? IE's extensions haven't been dropped, they're just not as extensive as those for other platforms.

Change favourites, history and cookies how? The way it works now is just fine. If you're suggesting change them from file based resources to records in some database/xml file, then absolutely not. Being able to modify and organise your favourites and cookies as individual files is good.

Ideas Man said,

Change favourites, history and cookies how? The way it works now is just fine. If you're suggesting change them from file based resources to records in some database/xml file, then absolutely not.

This! IE is the only browser that gets favorites etc. right…

MFH said,

Huh? IE does support ActiveX-based extensions like it did for ages…

Those are plugins. Not really extensions. Back in time of IE7 MS did have an extension portal, which wasn't much popular, so they shut down it. There is a new one. But very little you can do right now. And they does not promote that at all.

Some things you can actually still do. But most of them requires direct intervention into user's OS, so hardly can be called modern extension at all.

coth said,

Back in time of IE7 MS did have an extension portal, which wasn't much popular, so they shut down it.

######? I've been using IE for ages and I can't remember that stuff :D

coth said,

Those are plugins. Not really extensions. Back in time of IE7 MS did have an extension portal, which wasn't much popular, so they shut down it. There is a new one. But very little you can do right now. And they does not promote that at all.
IE STILL has the extension support you're talking about! The very same. Website is different, extension support is exactly the same as it was from IE7, actually.

francescob said,
Let me guess... tabs will no longer be on the same level of the address bar.

That has been available since IE9…

francescob said,

I know, my point was that it's the only main UI difference between IE and FF/Chrome

But what in »We're making substantial changes to the UI« makes you think that they will copy FF/Chrome?

I'll think of using IE when it

a) Is available on non-Windows platforms like Mac, Linux and Android
b) Has more extensions (at least a useful subset of the ones I use currently)

Till then, I'll stick to Chrome