Internet Explorer 9 RC download link goes live

Before IE developers held a press conference in San Francisco to unveil the RC version of IE 9 this morning, Microsoft has released the RC for download here (x86) and here (x64).

As expected, the release candidate includes much improved tab functionality, from the new square-ish visual elements, and moveable tab bar elements to increase customization. It also includes features that enable a user to refuse tracking from advertisers.

It also promises to fix a number of remaining bugs and minor annoyances that plagued the Beta and developer previews of the browser. The newer, more stable version of the browser needs to be pretty picture perfect if MS wants to regain its market share lost to Chrome and Firefox since IE8 started faltering. 

We covered a preview of the new features here.

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The new UI actually turned out nice. But the performance lags more than I'd like it to. Sorry but other browsers still have the edge, despite their silly fish tank demos.

I'm experiencing a weird problem with IE9 now. I decided to uninstall IE9 RC today, to go back to IE8, so I could do a "clean" install of the IE9 RC. After it's done installing, my computer restarts, & on my taskbar, I still see the old icon for IE8, but when I open IE, it is the RC for IE9. I tried changing the icon to the new one for IE9, but nothing seems to work. Is there anything I can do to fix this problem?

Just installed it. Looks pretty good, though it seems weird to me that the back button has the bottom cut off.

URL bar and tab bar combined - worst UI idea ever they should have made tab titles into address bars, so that when clicking on an active tab, the title of the tab transforms into URL box.

The downloader just sticks for me around 15-20%. I'm not sure why. I've tried on 2 different types of computers, but 4 different physical machines. Any ideas?

HAVE THEY FIXED FONT RENDERING? IF NOT, I WILL SUE THEM FOR DELIBERATELY DAMAGING MY EYES. IF I WANTED BROKEN, UGLY, BLURRY FONTS, I WOULD USE F*CKING LINUX..

6205 said,
HAVE THEY FIXED FONT RENDERING? IF NOT, I WILL SUE THEM FOR DELIBERATELY DAMAGING MY EYES. IF I WANTED BROKEN, UGLY, BLURRY FONTS, I WOULD USE F*CKING LINUX..
lol, in yur case fonts are definitively huge lol

6205 said,
HAVE THEY FIXED FONT RENDERING? IF NOT, I WILL SUE THEM FOR DELIBERATELY DAMAGING MY EYES. IF I WANTED BROKEN, UGLY, BLURRY FONTS, I WOULD USE F*CKING LINUX..

Reduce your Anti-Alising mate. Drop it to Use Application settings

ybrett23 said,
rc is very vey buggy
crashes when searching on ebay
crashes on neowin :-(
gave up and uninstalled

That's why I prefer to wait for Windows Update to tell me it's time to update. Or at least for it to be a final build!

ybrett23 said,
rc is very vey buggy
crashes when searching on ebay
crashes on neowin :-(
gave up and uninstalled

That's why I prefer to wait for Windows Update to tell me it's time to update. Or at least for it to be a final build!

Beware. I installed ie9 beta, and just went to play-asia.com. then went to their 'lucky lunar new year special'. Suddenly the memory use went up.. and up.. and up.. currently at 1,775,160k K and rising according to the task manager!

Hopefully the release will be better!

crashguy said,
Beware. I installed ie9 beta, and just went to play-asia.com. then went to their 'lucky lunar new year special'. Suddenly the memory use went up.. and up.. and up.. currently at 1,775,160k K and rising according to the task manager!

Hopefully the release will be better!


Love that site, but am not experiencing any high memory usage.

I installed it at home. Though I'm not a big fun of IE it's quite impressive. The only thing I don't like is the tab bar at the right of the address bar. I've read somewhere that you can move it but a quick glance at options revealed nothing of the sort. (And I admit it was a quick glance...)

It's a pitty that MS decided to ditch out XP and I can't use it at work (or at my laptop where I have XP because Win7 have a problem with my wireless) because it looks better (and actually feels quite faster) than IE8

Try opening a lot of tabs quick and watch it crash! and back button still not fixed.

They seriously need to fix Toolbar and Fav bar!

I am dissapointed and will propably not use it and block it in WU. I miss favorites menu on the left side, under back button like in IE8, not on right side, opening menus ilogically out of main window. Sadly this new UI is not very well designed and feels very unpolished.

6205 said,
I am dissapointed and will propably not use it and block it in WU. I miss favorites menu on the left side, under back button like in IE8, not on right side, opening menus ilogically out of main window. Sadly this new UI is not very well designed and feels very unpolished.

agree, it needs more option for customization, the tab below option its a improvement from beta. so far the interface of ie 9 its weird

Still no paste & go/paste & search when rightclicking the address bar.. And no inspect element when right clicking... I have to press F12 to get up the same old sluggish development tools? No thanks.

I'm dissapointed they still have the nasty favs bar, why not just call it bookmarks and make it look nice/easy to manage.

Roobaj said,
I just need a spell checker now and a way to import blocking list to the new tracking protection feature.

What's the big deal? Use IE Spell. Works fine since IE9 beta, don't see why it just HAS to be included in the browser, when it's a google search away...

Can someone who installed it please tell me if it continues to support compatibility mode for IE7 and IE8?

k776 said,
Can someone who installed it please tell me if it continues to support compatibility mode for IE7 and IE8?

It still has compatibility mode, but I think it's only the IE8 comp mode now!

Why did Microsoft remove the info in the status bar where it counts down the number of items loading on a web page?

I kind of miss that

It looks good, and it's much better than IE8. I'm liking how IE9 is shaping up, although I won't be using it as my primary browser.

Wonderful! My GF will be thrilled. She just can't leave IE alone, no matter how much Google tries to push Chrome in her face.

(And she's tired of hearing me talk about it!)

Facebook have supported overlays ever since the IE9 Beta release! I get a big red star when there's new notifications over my Facebook taskbar icon.

If anyone else has Outlook Web Access and Exchange 2003 please try on the RC built. It has been brutally slow on all IE 9 builds including the RC. IE 8 works fine. Not sure what we be the cause of that but it is annoying. Please reply and let me know your results. Running Win 7 x64 with 16GB of ram so it is not a PC problem. =P

Mikee4fun said,
If anyone else has Outlook Web Access and Exchange 2003 please try on the RC built. It has been brutally slow on all IE 9 builds including the RC. IE 8 works fine. Not sure what we be the cause of that but it is annoying. Please reply and let me know your results. Running Win 7 x64 with 16GB of ram so it is not a PC problem. =P
I used Outlook Web Access this morning and it worked fine.

Sorry for the double posts...IE 9 does not refresh the page properly unless I close and reopen it....

Raze said,
Sorry for the double posts...IE 9 does not refresh the page properly unless I close and reopen it....

Yes I have this issue also as reported above

But I think neowin.com will have to fix there web page!

majg said,
Have they announced any Tracking lists yet? Anything with Google?

Yup. Microsoft has a page up for actual Tracking Protection Lists:
http://ie.microsoft.com/testdr...rotectionLists/Default.html

and EasyList has also mentioned in a blog post that they are building TPLs with all their adblock lists even though they aren't officially supported:
https://easylist.adblockplus.o...cy-tracking-protection-list

Here's how to add the EasyList Adblock List to your TPLs:
http://forums.overclockers.co....php?p=18445637#post18445637

+ViperAFK:

There is a seperate window for managing favorites - click the view favorites, feeds and history star
click the drop down "Add to favorites" then select manage favorites.

Sweet!!!

InPrivate filtering stays on. Although it's called "tracking protection" now.
I see a bit of a performance hit with it on, but I'm ok with that. Really good page rendering with extra privacy controls (without having to install anything further) is all that really matters now.

10.2 got released today. it's 32 bit with enhanced performance, accelleration and IE9 support. Square is the 10.x 64 bit only alpha.. so unless you're using IE9 64-bit you won't see it.

Anyone know how to get Flash working in IE9? I installed the Flash Player Square from Abobe Labs website and any site with Flash won't display properly. I get a message indicating I need to install Flash, even though I did. I even uninstalled the previous versions. I checked my add-ons list and no Adobe Flash Add on there. Hmmmm....

nytiger73 said,
Anyone know how to get Flash working in IE9? I installed the Flash Player Square from Abobe Labs website and any site with Flash won't display properly. I get a message indicating I need to install Flash, even though I did. I even uninstalled the previous versions. I checked my add-ons list and no Adobe Flash Add on there. Hmmmm....

***EDIT*** FIXED. I had Active X Filtering turned on. DEHHHHH!

Nice improvement from ie8 but still behind firefox, opera and chrome IMO. No spell check still for instance The UI still needs refinement, for example you can't move items around by dragging them in the bookmarks toolbar. Also there really should be a seperate window available for bookmark management like the other browsers, manageing bookmarks in the sidebar is a huge PIA, for example whenever you delete a folder the sidebar closes. Its also missing nice touches other browsers have like tab animations and an option for tabs above the addressbar.

ViperAFK said,
Nice improvement from ie8 but still behind firefox, opera and chrome IMO. No spell check still for instance The UI still needs refinement, for example you can't move items around by dragging them in the bookmarks toolbar. Also there really should be a seperate window available for bookmark management like the other browsers, manageing bookmarks in the sidebar is a huge PIA, for example whenever you delete a folder the sidebar closes. Its also missing nice touches other browsers have like tab animations and an option for tabs above the addressbar.

ViperAFK said,
Nice improvement from ie8 but still behind firefox, opera and chrome IMO. No spell check still for instance The UI still needs refinement, for example you can't move items around by dragging them in the bookmarks toolbar. Also there really should be a seperate window available for bookmark management like the other browsers, manageing bookmarks in the sidebar is a huge PIA, for example whenever you delete a folder the sidebar closes. Its also missing nice touches other browsers have like tab animations and an option for tabs above the addressbar.

There is a seperate window for managing favorites - click the view favorites, feeds and history star click the drop down "Add to favorites" then select manage favorites

JohnnyMartins said,
Internet explore continues to be a disapointment with version 9.
I hope it continues to lose market share!

What the hell is your problem? It's not final and for me it's running very well and all the sites I have tried work flawlessly.

windows95isg8 said,

What the hell is your problem? It's not final and for me it's running very well and all the sites I have tried work flawlessly.

No! What the hell is your problem?
Don't ya know RC versions are practically Final!!!
Only minor changes, if any at all, take place between RC and Final...

On the other hand, I have to admit it's a great improvement over IE8 but still far behind from others, especially Firefox and Chrome or even Opera!

JohnnyMartins said,
Internet explore continues to be a disapointment with version 9.
I hope it continues to lose market share!

Thanks for your in-depth review of IE9 RC. Very helpful

JohnnyMartins said,
Internet explore continues to be a disapointment with version 9.
I hope it continues to lose market share!

What is disappointing about it?

Works ok for me. Except for html5 video. None of the videos on the showcase site or Apple's hmtl5 site play. The ones on the on the Beauty of the web site look like pixelated colourful messes. Is this just me?

rev23dev said,
Why is the RSS subscription button gone? Am I the only one that used that?

The RSS button is there for me.

Are you using the commend bar?

rev23dev said,
Why is the RSS subscription button gone? Am I the only one that used that?

I found it, e.g. on this site here, rightclick somewhere on the empty space at the top, enable the commandbar, you can see the green entry for Webslice and RSS news.

gate1975mlm said,
Why are my post disappearing?

LoL! Before to get used to this commenting system, I was wondering the same... But actually they don't dissapearing.

To your question now... Don't you see the green arrow icon?

Deo Domuique said,

LoL! Before to get used to this commenting system, I was wondering the same... But actually they don't dissapearing.

To your question now... Don't you see the green arrow icon?

OK this is strange!!!

This web site is not refreshing correctly in IE9 RC!

Thats why I am not seeing my posts or any new posts from other people.

Also what do you mean by green arrow?

I want to just know if you can make the Favorites menu show up on the left side like it is in IE8.

gate1975mlm said,

OK this is strange!!!

This web site is not refreshing correctly in IE9 RC!

Thats why I am not seeing my posts or any new posts from other people.

Also what do you mean by green arrow?

I want to just know if you can make the Favorites menu show up on the left side like it is in IE8.

I had constant crashes on the neowin homepage with the 32-bit version

gate1975mlm said,

OK this is strange!!!

This web site is not refreshing correctly in IE9 RC!

Thats why I am not seeing my posts or any new posts from other people.

Also what do you mean by green arrow?

I want to just know if you can make the Favorites menu show up on the left side like it is in IE8.

Press the Bookmarks Star once near Tabs ( Address/Tab bar ) and then top left corner there is an icon "Pin The Favorites Center".

Well... I can't even save my Neowin's password. It doesn't ask me.

Deo Domuique said,

Press the Bookmarks Star once near Tabs ( Address/Tab bar ) and then top left corner there is an icon "Pin The Favorites Center".

Well... I can't even save my Neowin's password. It doesn't ask me.

Yes I know you can pin it on the left side

But as soon as it closes and then I need to reopen it again it back on the right side

I wish Microsoft would add an option for it to always open on the left side.

Microsoft IE 9 RC tooltip overlay Bug!!

I just installed IE 9 RC which was just released today.

And I have found a bug that I hope wil be fixed before it goes final.

At random time the tooltip overlay is not showing when moving your mouse cursor over the Tabs and also some of the buttons in the commend bar like for example the "Page" and "Safety" and "Tools".

It seems to show when first loading IE 9 and then after clicking on one of the commend buttons the tooltip overlay stops showing!

Anyone else here see this bug?

gate1975mlm said,
Microsoft IE 9 RC tooltip overlay Bug!!

I just installed IE 9 RC which was just released today.

And I have found a bug that I hope wil be fixed before it goes final.

At random time the tooltip overlay is not showing when moving your mouse cursor over the Tabs and also some of the buttons in the commend bar like for example the "Page" and "Safety" and "Tools".

It seems to show when first loading IE 9 and then after clicking on one of the commend buttons the tooltip overlay stops showing!

Anyone else here see this bug?

Anyone else seeing the tooltip overlay Bug!?

Yup. I can confirm that. Only on the Command Bar though (which I'm fairly positive they're working on deprecating), tabs are no trouble here.

osm0sis said,
Yup. I can confirm that. Only on the Command Bar though (which I'm fairly positive they're working on deprecating), tabs are no trouble here.

Cool glad its not just me

But I am getting the tooltip overlay Bug! on Tabs also.

Its strange some tabs have the tooltip overlay and some do not

gate1975mlm said,

Cool glad its not just me

But I am getting the tooltip overlay Bug! on Tabs also.

Its strange some tabs have the tooltip overlay and some do not


Have you actually reported it? Or are you just going to discuss it here?

neo158 said,
95/100 on the ACID 3 test, not a bad score at all.

Especially considering the other 5 are for things which aren't actually part of the official specs

osm0sis said,

Especially considering the other 5 are for things which aren't actually part of the official specs

Exactly!!

osm0sis said,
Especially considering the other 5 are for things which aren't actually part of the official specs

Well, those 5 used to be specifications but since no one uses them, IIRC they were SVG fonts or something strange and esoteric - the loss of 5 points is a non-issue. Acid 3 doesn't test the quality of the implementation either - the better way is to use a point by point conformance tester as what Microsoft has been developing over the Internet Explorer 9 development cycle.

I haven't really used IE since version 5, but this looks kind of nice. Except for the oversized back button and the way it's cut off at the bottom which makes it look buggy. Did they ever do away with the ActiveX junk or does it still use that?

Skyfrog said,
I haven't really used IE since version 5, but this looks kind of nice. Except for the oversized back button and the way it's cut off at the bottom which makes it look buggy. Did they ever do away with the ActiveX junk or does it still use that?

It still has ActiveX support but has filtering for ActiveX controls.

Skyfrog said,
I haven't really used IE since version 5, but this looks kind of nice. Except for the oversized back button and the way it's cut off at the bottom which makes it look buggy. Did they ever do away with the ActiveX junk or does it still use that?

*facepalm*
You know NPAPI is the same thing as ActiveX (except for non-web usage), right? ActiveX isn't inherently insecure or whatever.

Skyfrog said,
I haven't really used IE since version 5, but this looks kind of nice. Except for the oversized back button and the way it's cut off at the bottom which makes it look buggy. Did they ever do away with the ActiveX junk or does it still use that?

without activex you wouldn't have flash, silverlight, embedded video's, unity, shiva, .... There is nothing wrong with activex (or COM as it has been called for more than a decade now)

mentas said,
IE9 RC still broken on http://www.apple.com and can't play HTML5 videos.

Not broken for me, wasn't in the beta either.

The neowin homepage is broken for me though, crashes every time

Edited by neo158, Feb 10 2011, 4:53pm :

mentas said,
IE9 RC still broken on http://www.apple.com and can't play HTML5 videos.

Having a similar problem here too, the videos look like colourful pixelated messes, it's really strange. What's Chrome doing that IE isn't?

neo158 said,
The neowin homepage is broken for me though, crashes every time

Same for me too. Seems to related to the ads. The annoying part is that I can't get to login quick enough before neowin crashes the browser. If only I could log in, the ads would be gone.

Neowin, Help!

TCLN Ryster said,

Same for me too. Seems to related to the ads. The annoying part is that I can't get to login quick enough before neowin crashes the browser. If only I could log in, the ads would be gone.

Neowin, Help!

It isn't the ads, I tried the same scenario on a different machine and it worked, I'll try the offline installer posted in the other news story comments.

Any Official Benchmarks provided by Microsoft ?
As Happens in all Previously Released Versions of IE9 .... Benchmarks are Provided in IE9 Sites

Ms-7 said,
Offline Links ???

Try reading the comments. The link to the site containing all the offline versions in multiple languages was posted by mahara

I still don't understand it... Same happened in Beta stage:

Sunspider 0.9.1

x86 build: Total: 146.8ms +/- 3.5%

x64 build: Total: 724.7ms +/- 2.0%

One God knows why such a huge difference... I wonder if this happens only in Sunspider and doesn't affect real world speed...

What do you think?

P.S. Btw right now the IE x86 build in SunSpider is the faster JS engine on my machine. Even faster than Chrome or Latest Minefield. Opera is last.

Is anyone else experiencing this with 64 bit? The download stops somewhere around 20% and after a long wait, it says "not finished" and closes. I tried a bunch of times with clearing the temp directory but no success.

Not that impressed tbh. It seems slower to start up than the beta. (albeit faster when running) With the beta as soon as I clicked the IE logo it opened instantly, now there is a delay.
Still cant set the 64bit as the default.
The favourites bar is even more hideous and the favourites and menus dont exactly match this "new" "modern" browser.
Seems like its mostly UI that needs to be worked on however.
Finally, Wordpress STILL doesnt work properly.
Sort it out MS!

Can you type a search string into the URL bar now? Thats the one thing I love about chrome which to my knowledge was not available in IE8

bushbrother said,
Can you type a search string into the URL bar now? Thats the one thing I love about chrome which to my knowledge was not available in IE8

Yes.

bushbrother said,
Can you type a search string into the URL bar now? Thats the one thing I love about chrome which to my knowledge was not available in IE8

I have been searching from IE's URL bar since IE6 or may be as early as IE5! They added suggestions etc in IE8 but you could always search from address bar.

It seems like Chrome is faster, but it may be the sites I visit. Chrome is scoring higher on html5test.com also, not a true test? Any one have a better test site? I really love Chrome with adblockplus/IEtab, so it'll be difficult for me to switch at this point.

There were much more bug reports and suggestion on the connect site, but nothing, only changes for the tabs. E.g. the searchbar still search for the search-URL if you switch the search provider, this baby-blue favorites bar hurts my eyes, I can't adjust the entries for a pinned website and so on. The browser is okay, but it could be much better if MS would read the requests on the connect site and would not close all request with "won't fix"/"This is by design". Now we have the RC and I haven't any hope that MS change anything before the final. Because of missing addons to improve the GUI, I am not sure if I use the IE in future.

On my system (Core i5-650, 8gb RAM, 5670 w/512mb) IE9 RC beats Firefox 4 (b11) in the Peacekeeper benchmark 6900 - 5600, though lags behind Chrome and its 10,000.

mrmomoman said,
Very nice indeed. Picked up some more speed as well.

Ya, seems real fast for me too. I read somewhere they said something like 240X speed improvement over the beta.

SGalbincea said,
I run Win7 x64, but I usually use the x32 IE....do I need to install the x32 or the x64 version of the RC to test?

I'm on x64 Win 7 and it doesn't let me run the x86 installer.

SGalbincea said,
I run Win7 x64, but I usually use the x32 IE....do I need to install the x32 or the x64 version of the RC to test?

x64 version.

dave164 said,

I'm on x64 Win 7 and it doesn't let me run the x86 installer.


That is because it installs x64 and x86 on the system.

dave164 said,

I'm on x64 Win 7 and it doesn't let me run the x86 installer.


That is because it installs x64 and x86 on the system.

johnnyq3 said,

That is because it installs x64 and x86 on the system.

Good to know...I was going to ask the same question. lol

XerXis said,

neowin ads have never worked on IE9, at least not on my laptop


The RC is the first version which I test. The ads work fine with me.
My command should be more fun, not serious. I see the screen is now changed.

XerXis said,

neowin ads have never worked on IE9, at least not on my laptop


Neowin actually crashes IE9 on my computer. It's 100% repeatable. Load neowin.net and just as the ads appear, the browser crashes. Now what to do... stop using Neowin or stop using IE9 RC.... decisions decisions.

TCLN Ryster said,
Neowin actually crashes IE9 on my computer. It's 100% repeatable. Load neowin.net and just as the ads appear, the browser crashes. Now what to do... stop using Neowin or stop using IE9 RC.... decisions decisions.

Have you disabled all the plugins to see whether one of those are the cause? do you tweak registry keys etc? if you and a couple of others are the only ones experiencing these problem then maybe the problem sits with your configuration rather than the software itself.

Mr Nom Nom's said,

Have you disabled all the plugins to see whether one of those are the cause? do you tweak registry keys etc? if you and a couple of others are the only ones experiencing these problem then maybe the problem sits with your configuration rather than the software itself.

I tried that myself, disabling plugins doesn't work but compatability view does. If it was a plugin causing the browser to crash it would probably crash straight away. The wierd thing is that the 64-bit version works perfectly, even with compatible addons enabled.

Edited by neo158, Feb 11 2011, 8:01am :

plasmarox said,
Is the RC compatible with games such as GTAIV, etc? There were problems with the beta.

This is almost like the final version, only a big bug will stop the RC to become the final. It should work, some of my intranet applications I use at work didn't work with the Beta but now they work fine, you shluld give a try.

daniel_rh said,

some of my intranet applications I use at work didn't work with the Beta but now they work fine, you shluld give a try.

Some of that came from massive issues with the MS Ajax/AjaxControlToolkit stuff. I've been terrified of it and posting back and forth both on the AjaxControlToolkit CodePlex site and the IE9 Connect page. This RC seems to have finally fixed the issue that however many previews and the beta didn't address. Its a huge relief off my mind.

daniel_rh said,

This is almost like the final version, only a big bug will stop the RC to become the final. It should work, some of my intranet applications I use at work didn't work with the Beta but now they work fine, you shluld give a try.

Same here, hooray! Though with one intranet app I have to use compatibility mode.

Finally my intranet applications are working without the compatibility mode! I like the option to put the tabs under the address bar.

daniel_rh said,

Yeah, it's available

Available in that it's been superceded by Tracking Protection Lists. What we knew as automatic blocking InPrivate Filtering is there as Your Personal List, which you can enable/disable. Now we just need Fanboy or Easylist to build a TPL for us and we're golden.

Ok Im gonna wait anyway, the beta seem'd to destroy my IE8 when i removed it causing me to reinstall, websites thought i was strangely on IE6 and stuff wasn't rendering properly lol

SuperKid said,
RC is not final right?

rc might be final. It stands for release candidate, if no major problems are found with this it will become the final

XerXis said,

rc might be final. It stands for release candidate, if no major problems are found with this it will become the final


Can you remember one time in history in which a public RC from MS has ever turned out to be final? It won't happen here either.

tanjiajun_34 said,

I remember Vista have 2 RC. So no I don't think its final.
RTM is then almost final. Or might be final.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle

If you're going to chime in, at least try to know what you're talking about. RTM IS Final. As in, released to manufacturing. In the olden days before web distribution, RTM was the code they sent to manufacturers to burn onto CDs, and what you would subsequently pick up in stores.

TCLN Ryster said,
If you're going to chime in, at least try to know what you're talking about. RTM IS Final. As in, released to manufacturing. In the olden days before web distribution, RTM was the code they sent to manufacturers to burn onto CDs, and what you would subsequently pick up in stores.

I think the guy (whom you're replying to) is probably referring to the release to OEM's that happens in between the RC and RTM that occasionally happens - to double check and pick up on any possible bugs that might appear in products that are being planned for the future given that most of the testing so far have been on products that already exist in the marketplace. There are also builds that are made between these major milestones but they don't gain much acknowledgement in the press because they're only circulated to a small number of people/organisations.

Xerax said,

And look how that turned out. lmao.

Behave, Windows Vista gave us Windows 7. We might have suffered in some way or another, but that was mostly down to companies not developing proper drivers for our hardware and some software glitches here and there.

At the end of the day, Windows Vista's problem was mostly down to third party support, new driver models, sound stacks, network stacks and so on, it was going to take awhile for people to catch up. Painful process but we got a decent OS out of it. And I'm talking about Windows Vista and not just Windows 7 by the way...

DexMorgan said,
I wonder why I had to reboot computer after installing this (don't see any new installed updates in "Windows Update").

because IE is part of the windows Kernel.

Actually, I just installed it on two computers and one of them didn't need a reboot. It closed Explorer, installed Internet Explorer and restarted Explorer again afterwards!

It's the only time I've ever seen that happen with an Internet Explorer install.

DexMorgan said,
I wonder why I had to reboot computer after installing this (don't see any new installed updates in "Windows Update").

Same here. Windows 7 x64 running in VMware Fusion.

DexMorgan said,
I wonder why I had to reboot computer after installing this (don't see any new installed updates in "Windows Update").

It doesn't appear in the Windows Update history because you didn't install it through Windows Update. Go to Programs and Features and click on 'View installed updates' and under the 'Microsoft Windows' category you'll see 'Windows Internet Explorer 9 Release Candidate'

XerXis said,

no it isn't


Yeah, not exactly... but close enough to it that the system actually does need a restart to finish off.

TCLN Ryster said,
http://www.tcln.com/images/misc/ie9-installer.png
Come on Microsoft, how on earth is the average PC user going to know how to close iTunesHelper, Java Update Scheduler, RapportService and Windows Explorer.

You need to do better than this. Also why are these things even locking the IE install?


The average user has the average user option (to get it closed automatically, they've saved their work). Sigh... some people just love to rant...even when there's nothing to nit-pick about.

It's like iTunes installer for example. It requires you to close Microsoft Office Outlook. WHY? I don't know but it does!

Undefineed said,

The average user has the average user option (to get it closed automatically, they've saved their work). Sigh... some people just love to rant...even when there's nothing to nit-pick about.

It's like iTunes installer for example. It requires you to close Microsoft Office Outlook. WHY? I don't know but it does!


Except that it says "Please close these programs", like it's expecting you to do it. Annoyingly even though I let it do it for me, it still got the end and said it had to reboot anyway because IE files were in use.

Shadowzz said,
because IE is part of the windows Kernel.

No it isn't part of the kernel - it is part of the operating system just as Webkit is part of the Mac OS X operating system.

TCLN Ryster said,
http://www.tcln.com/images/misc/ie9-installer.png
Come on Microsoft, how on earth is the average PC user going to know how to close iTunesHelper, Java Update Scheduler, RapportService and Windows Explorer.

You need to do better than this. Also why are these things even locking the IE install?

Because when you upgrade Internet Explorer it will be changing things that might end up destabilising those said applications in much the same way that if you replace a library in Linux with another one it can cause problems for any applications sharing it - especially if the library is a major upgrade. Then there is the issue of locking of files to ensure that there isn't an inconsistent state between what is on the disk and what is in memory etc. What ever the reasons behind it I am sure that the software engineers at Microsoft know what they're doing.

DexMorgan said,
I wonder why I had to reboot computer after installing this (don't see any new installed updates in "Windows Update").

It's probably because some computers need a windows update installed before installing IE9. So what it does is this:
1. Install all required updates
2. Install IE9
3. Reboot (for the Windows update to install correctly)

DexMorgan said,
I wonder why I had to reboot computer after installing this (don't see any new installed updates in "Windows Update").

1) IE is more than just the browser, it is the HTML rendering engine that is used by Windows and a lot of Applications that need to render HTML.

2) Neither the browser nor the IE HTML rendering engine has anything to do with the Win32 subsystem kernel layer, and especially has nothing to do with the NT kernel that is a few layers below the Win32 subsystem. (Reference NT kernel client/server architecture for more information how Win32 runs in a box on top of the Windows NT operating system)

3) In theory, the install could just replace IE and HTML rendering engine, but it would have to close any applications that are using the HTML rendering engine. However, since a lot of these would be 3rd party applications, it is better to do this through a system restart, so that they are elegantly closed and the user has a chance to save information, as opposed to killing the applications or having the user click through a list of applications. (This is not an OS limitation, just a better way to ensure the user doesn't lose any information. In theory, Windows (NT) could replace most of its kernel and essentially most of the Win32 platform subsystem without restarting.)

So #3 is the main answer and why the system restarts, as it is not a core portion of the OS, but something that applications could be using and restarting is just a quick and simple way to ensure the process is clean and easy for the user.

You will notice that some application updates and even driver updates ask for a system restart, when it is not technically needed, it is just a simple way to ensure that the update is handled smoothly for the user, as even an anti-virus scanner running in the background could in theory have a file locked that needs to be changed, and Windows would have to terminate the 'lock' which might cause the anti-virus software to wig out, etc etc...

DexMorgan said,
I wonder why I had to reboot computer after installing this (don't see any new installed updates in "Windows Update").

After the install (x64 for me), it said that somethings were using parts of the system which it needed to alter and that if I restarted the install would be completed.