Internet Explorer's global market share drops below 50 percent

Internet Explorer may not be everyone's favorite browser of choice, but Microsoft may be disheartened to hear that Microsoft's once-great browser is in further decline. Internet Explorer's global share of the market (Mobile and desktop browsing) has dropped below 50 percent for the first time. This latest data comes from information received last month. The data comes courtesy of Net Applications and Ars Technica. The pie charts of last month's desktop browser market share and combined market share are contained below.

 


Images and data courtesy of: Ars Technica and Net Applications


As shown in the chart above, Internet Explorer still retains 52.63 percent of the market share in desktop browsing. This is still significant, due to the fact that Internet Explorer is pretty much non-existent in the mobile sector, unless you use Windows Phone or Windows Mobile. Microsoft's browser obtained a majority share in the late 1990s and reached a peak of 95 percent market share in 2004. Ever since then, the browser has been on the decline.

Microsoft has continually tried to revamp the browser since Internet Explorer 7, yet every time they continue to lose market share. Part of the problem seems to be that they cannot push out new features as quickly as Google or Mozilla can. Based on the latest data, Google Chrome seems to be the browser snatching market share from Microsoft, Firefox's share remained flat in October.

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While I personally use IE8 on XP and IE9 on later OSes, dropping XP support for IE9 was certainly a further boost to IE's downfall.

xpclient said,
While I personally use IE8 on XP and IE9 on later OSes, dropping XP support for IE9 was certainly a further boost to IE's downfall.

Me too.

When in MacOS, I use Safari. In Ubuntu, I use Firefox. I don't like Google Chrome because of several issues such as: (1) Install to User Data folder (Windows), (2) Install a service to automatically update, (3) Invade privacy.

If someone still wants Chrome, I recommend Srware Iron (built from Chromium). You can customize the way you want, supporting Wins, Mac and Linux.

Why people bitch too much about Internet Explorer? I use all of them (Safari, Chrome, IE, FF, Opera) because I need to be sure Web sites are displayed correctly in all....

And do you know what? Even though IE is not a standardized browser (which sucks when developing Events and some DOM in JavaScript), at least works. Instead, Opera (For Example), which is my fav. browser, can't render all pages correctly missing lots and lots of JavaScript (And I see that daily) from being processed.

Let's see, even with a small degree in statistics...

IE9 is not available on WinXP that consists of 3/4 of the Windows Marketshare, where users are being encouraged to move to a browser that has HTML5 features.

Hmm... I wonder if IE's marketshare might drop.

OMG, simple math is magical, the marketshare drop prediction actually happened. Maybe math and statistics come from psychics?


Really?

thenetavenger said,
Let's see, even with a small degree in statistics...

IE9 is not available on WinXP that consists of 3/4 of the Windows Marketshare, where users are being encouraged to move to a browser that has HTML5 features.

Hmm... I wonder if IE's marketshare might drop.

OMG, simple math is magical, the marketshare drop prediction actually happened. Maybe math and statistics come from psychics?


Really?

What has it to do with IE9 not available on XP ? If it were, you think XP users would install IE9 in doves ? no. XP has IE6,7,8 , yet, users run away from IE like from a plague.

alexalex said,

What has it to do with IE9 not available on XP ? If it were, you think XP users would install IE9 in doves ? no. XP has IE6,7,8 , yet, users run away from IE like from a plague.


You wish.

Microsoft can compete with FF and Chrome at any time by allowing for a better install base (extensions) and addons in a way that isn't painless. Also, IE9 pops up with a, disable addons to speed things up, well, that just made a lot of people scratch their heads.

All you anti-ie zelots. Seriously, you're calling people dumb for using IE. Because you're so smart, right? With all that FUD floating in your hipster heads. I like how you all have these add-ons to sync passwords... sure, because that's not infallible is it? Do you realise that on a Windows system you too can have favourites synced - just use Live Mesh, yes, it requires an additional program, but then Live Mesh can do a heckuvalot more anyway that you'll probably use.
I really think you should actually try using IE now rather than just basing all this FUD on past experiences from using an ancient version. Try opening your eyes, forget all this **** about add-ons being required. Just use ie9 and see that this fast, stable browser doesn't get in the way of anything and ultimately has more security than Firefox or Chrome.

cleverclogs said,
All you anti-ie zelots. Seriously, you're calling people dumb for using IE. Because you're so smart, right? With all that FUD floating in your hipster heads. I like how you all have these add-ons to sync passwords... sure, because that's not infallible is it? Do you realise that on a Windows system you too can have favourites synced - just use Live Mesh, yes, it requires an additional program, but then Live Mesh can do a heckuvalot more anyway that you'll probably use.
I really think you should actually try using IE now rather than just basing all this FUD on past experiences from using an ancient version. Try opening your eyes, forget all this **** about add-ons being required. Just use ie9 and see that this fast, stable browser doesn't get in the way of anything and ultimately has more security than Firefox or Chrome.

Sure install Live Mesh. Except if you're on a corporate environment where a typical user has no admin rights. Fortunately there is a portable version of Chrome and Firefox that doesn't require admin rights.

People like me love their add-ons in Firefox or the speed of Chrome. It's difficult to convince people to come back to IE.

fenderMarky said,
Share in going down because IE9 doesn't support xp... google and mozilla prefer to support unsafe os. Good for them...

I thought Windows 7 surpassed Windows XP?

well i guess ie's just for those ppl who want to browse and dont care about custimization and since ie 9 is simple fast and gets the job done i prefer it. id use chrome but its design and tabs look overall like some kiddy applicaiton

I use IE9 with no problem, I also use Firefox every once in a while. The only thing I don't like about IE9 is the download manager and the fact that there are no good plugins like in Firefox to download flash videos

s3n4te said,
IE9 for life!

Useless fanboy comment of the day. I would never say that about anything. That would be extremely foolish of me. I would just move on to the next best thing.

You remind of that ***** who tattooed himself with the Zune Logo. Did you tattoo yourself with a blue E?

I guess I'm one of those moron users... I use IE9 exclusively. It works perfectly, it's fast, and *checks* nope, no malware.

I love Chrome, for now is good, the only problem used to be pandora, the google sync works flawless between my desktop and laptop, bookmarks, passwords, extensions, apps, i used to reinstall windows, once every year, and installing freaking plugins in Firefox was kinda painful. Also some older plugins doesn't work with new versions of FF, so... sometimes you just have to go back to an earlier version of FF.
Used to like FF, but t started to ate all my memory, taking minutes to load. Chrome works fast and with.

IE 9 it's fast and robust. I use it like 2 times at week.

Is it possible that settings from Firefox (passwords etc) can be transferred to chrome and my plugins etc. Silly maybe but is it possible. To try chrome I would miss things as last time I looked at chrome it didn't seem finished, ready, a lot of features missing.

NinjaGinger said,
Is it possible that settings from Firefox (passwords etc) can be transferred to chrome and my plugins etc. Silly maybe but is it possible. To try chrome I would miss things as last time I looked at chrome it didn't seem finished, ready, a lot of features missing.

I have Chrome installed because it actually has a built-in version of Flash Player (which means I don't have to keep the AX control/plug-in updated, as I do IE/FF/WF) and due to sites that have issues with the other browsers. However, I ran into a Facebook-based (social) game that only works in *Opera* - not IE, not Firefox, not Waterfox (x64-native version of FF 7.0) and not Chrome. For that reason (it's a good game otherwise) I have my sixth browser, and I normally prefer x64 browsers, and IE9 x64 in particular, for performance reasons. Hence my complaint of favoritism (not just anti-IE, but even pro-IE in some different cases). I actually think that some site developers are aiming for *browser Balkanization*.

Joey S said,
IE is way lower than 49%.
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp (22.9 %)
https://secure.wikimedia.org/w...n/wiki/Browser_market_share (38.9%)

And even most of that is businesses, not individual users. As people get more net savvy, they will defect even faster.

Get more net savvy = what?

Move to Chrome, Firefox, or Opera and lose 500x the HTML5 graphical performance IE9 holds over them?

Move to Firefox or Opera and lose the NT security sandbox and brokered locks?
*BTW Account for the majority of malware entry on Windows 7, especially running JAVA.

So by 'net savvy' you mean, they choose to lose performance, security, and stability?

Wow, I'm glad my computer science degree doesn't require me to be 'net savvy'.

*Ignorance is a choice to 'ignore' information and facts*

Aren't Firefox, Chrome, Safari, and Opera more standards complaint than Internet Explorer? Are there any tests (beyond Acid) that tests browser compatibility with current web standards? And, isn't Firefox, Chrome, and Opera faster on Javascript tests than IE?

(Too bad the browser makers couldn't make a superbowl ad about their fantastic new browser.... and end it with Free! Visit our site!)

Z'Loth said,
Aren't Firefox, Chrome, Safari, and Opera more standards complaint than Internet Explorer? Are there any tests (beyond Acid) that tests browser compatibility with current web standards? And, isn't Firefox, Chrome, and Opera faster on Javascript tests than IE?

http://ie.microsoft.com/testdr...arks/SunSpider/Default.html

http://www.engadget.com/2010/1...ility-crowns-ie9-the-champ/
http://www.browserscene.com/20...-explorer-10-wins-real.html

a bit old (and unfair to IE9 since it is compared to browsers released several months after IE9) :
http://samples.msdn.microsoft.com/ietestcenter/

Edited by link8506, Nov 2 2011, 5:45pm :

Z'Loth said,
Aren't Firefox, Chrome, Safari, and Opera more standards complaint than Internet Explorer? Are there any tests (beyond Acid) that tests browser compatibility with current web standards? And, isn't Firefox, Chrome, and Opera faster on Javascript tests than IE?

(Too bad the browser makers couldn't make a superbowl ad about their fantastic new browser.... and end it with Free! Visit our site!)

Every you said, except the answer is nope...

IE9 may not be the fastest at Sunspider (a test DESIGNED to measure the WebKit engine SPECIFICALLY), but in the real world, page loading, net retrieval, display, dynamic content, and especially in HTML5 graphical performance, it can be 500x faster.

Here is a nice little fact..
IE9 on a WP7 phone can run several of the HTML5 graphical tests faster than Chrome can on an quad core i7 desktop. Weird uh, a 1ghz first gen Snapdragon processor, running a mobile OS, running IE9 can do things faster than Chrome on a desktop computer. Makes ya go hmm...

(IE9's design is what makes this happen, and why the way it is design is 'critical' to the advancement of web browser technology. Instead obtaining HTTP pages and displaying them in the old model of Application displaying content/document, IE9 treats HTTP pages and content like 'code' and uses a technique similar to compiling the content. So instead of a web document browser, it is a web content compiler engine. IE1-8, Chrome/WebKit/Safari, Firefox, Opera are all web document browser technologies. There is a big shift in the model and if any of the other browser makers wakes up, they redefine how web content is processed and jump their performance considerably too.)

*Go read up on the development of IE9 and why it is different, and how this equates into REAL performance advantages. This is why IE9 can do graphical content at speeds that Chrome and Firefox have to use the dangerous WebGL (non-standard) to accomplish.

Just a Thought........

Can They Come up with Two Browser

One for The General Public and the other For the Corporate Sector......

General Public Browser will have a much quicker Release Cycle like Chrome/FF

and The Corporate Sector release Cycle will be Normal as it is Now......

Is it possible ..............?????????

There are still some internal apps that require IE at the place I work at. But long gone are those days where a random web page wouldn't look right or function correctly in anything other than IE.

Well, I take that back because an XBox Live web page for changing my contact email wouldn't work correctly in Firefox and Chrome but did work in Internet Explorer. So outside of Microsoft everything works OK.

i'm using IE9

only used firefox for firebug and user agent switcher... chrome for all the google stuff....

mocax said,
i'm using IE9

only used firefox for firebug and user agent switcher... chrome for all the google stuff....

you don't need firefox and firebug.

IE8/9 include a javascript/css debugger and network monitor natively, just press F12 to open it.

link8506 said,

you don't need firefox and firebug.

IE8/9 include a javascript/css debugger and network monitor natively, just press F12 to open it.

It's way more clunky, Firebug and Chrome/Safari DOM inspectors are much more feature rich.

Well I guess us in the European countries won't need this daft browser choice window, any more, every time we buy a new computer.

Meph said,
Well I guess us in the European countries won't need this daft browser choice window, any more, every time we buy a new computer.

The reason it's there is because it was somehow unfair business practice for MS to put their browser in Windows and not put ads in for the rest... Strange how Google hasn't been jumped for advertising for chrome on their search page.

Meph said,
Well I guess us in the European countries won't need this daft browser choice window, any more, every time we buy a new computer.
This so called "Daft" browser protects you better than the fanboy browsers out there. Don't go crying home to mommy if you are a victim of any online scheme or if you have been hacked. At least I can now use IE9 64 bit version. I guess your "Fanboy" browsers are left in the dirt.

Leonick said,

The reason it's there is because it was somehow unfair business practice for MS to put their browser in Windows and not put ads in for the rest... Strange how Google hasn't been jumped for advertising for chrome on their search page.

I think the EU has a policy "If MS does it, sue em... If anyone else does it... Sue MS."

Leonick said,

The reason it's there is because it was somehow unfair business practice for MS to put their browser in Windows and not put ads in for the rest... Strange how Google hasn't been jumped for advertising for chrome on their search page.

Umm, can Bing advertise for Internet Explorer on their dinky search site? Sure they can. Your analogy is HORRIBLE.

jesseinsf said,
This so called "Daft" browser protects you better than the fanboy browsers out there. Don't go crying home to mommy if you are a victim of any online scheme or if you have been hacked. At least I can now use IE9 64 bit version. I guess your "Fanboy" browsers are left in the dirt.

Huh? I wasn't talking about IE. There's nothing wrong with IE9. I'm talking about the browser choice window that asks you if you want to use a different browser.

Even though I'll never use IE myself, I wouldn't want IE to die off completely. The newer versions are great browsers for the dumb, computer-illiterate masses. But this is a great day for the Web. Now that IE is less than 50%, Microsoft can no longer afford to EVER ignore standards again, even if they want to! In this case, Microsoft loses but the Web wins!

MS Lose32 said,
Now that IE is less than 50%, Microsoft can no longer afford to EVER ignore standards again, even if they want to! In this case, Microsoft loses but the Web wins!

That's a good point. At least now, Microsoft can't ever hold back standards again. Nor can it force h.264 patent encumbered codecs on everyone.

Joey S said,

That's a good point. At least now, Microsoft can't ever hold back standards again. Nor can it force h.264 patent encumbered codecs on everyone.

They won't need to - it's already a standard.
WebM has hope only in the mind of some FOSS fanboys. Everyone is already using H264, and all the "we promise we will build WebM-compatible hardware" talk wasn't followed by production of said hardware.

MS Lose32 said,
Even though I'll never use IE myself, I wouldn't want IE to die off completely. The newer versions are great browsers for the dumb, computer-illiterate masses. But this is a great day for the Web. Now that IE is less than 50%, Microsoft can no longer afford to EVER ignore standards again, even if they want to! In this case, Microsoft loses but the Web wins!
Stop projecting your self onto others. I'm not even going to fuel this one anymore.

MS Lose32 said,
The newer versions are great browsers for the dumb, computer-illiterate masses.

Because the slower, less secure ones are for the super smart power users like you guys?

UndergroundWire said,
Why would anyone still use Internet Explorer? I'm strictly on Firefox and Chrome.

Companies usually have to. In-house apps are usually only compatible with Internet Explorer. Our company's thin client and VPN are only compatible with IE.

UndergroundWire said,
Why would anyone still use Internet Explorer? I'm strictly on Firefox and Chrome.

Well IE9 is solid overall but i do prefer Firefox because OVERALL it can't be beat when you factor in extensions/RAM use(primarily speaking Firefox 7 or newer)/overall performance.

Firefox has been my primary browser since a little before it went v1.0 and i don't see my switching anytime soon especially after that big RAM use reduction that came with Firefox 7 which for people with RAM to burn it's not to much of a issue but those of us with 2GB or less it's more of a issue as i am sure there is many PC's out there still in use with 2GB or less of RAM.

but in general.... i think Chrome really pushed Firefox to improve it's performance and the competition between Chrome/Firefox pushes IE to get better. but ultimately where IE fails is it takes to long for a major revision of the browser to get released where as Chrome/Firefox are much quicker to push out performance upgrades etc.

UndergroundWire said,
Why would anyone still use Internet Explorer? I'm strictly on Firefox and Chrome.
Because if I don't I'm scared I'd turn into someone like you.

UndergroundWire said,
Why would anyone still use Internet Explorer? I'm strictly on Firefox and Chrome.

-because it is way more secure than firefox (firefox/opera/safari are still not sandboxed!)
-because it uses less power than other browsers, resulting in a longer autonomy on a laptop ( http://www.anandtech.com/show/2834/3 )
-because it is still faster than firefox and chrome in graphical rendering
-because it includes a developer toolbar (css/javascript debugger) and an ad blocker (using the adblock TPL) without needing to install extensions from other source (or having to wait for them to be compatible with the current version of the browser)
-because it never crashes
-because it supports website pinning and hotmail/facebook notifications in the taskbar.
-because it has a better phishing filter and a download manager that warns against rarely downloaded apps (application reputation)

UndergroundWire said,

Don't be afraid to be smart for once in your life

funny how people consider themselves smart or "power user" just because they don't use IE.

most self proclamed power users are totally ignorant about the shortcomings of firefox, like the lack of security sandbox (exposing severely the user to future firefox/flashplayer 0day flaws) or the fact that they can be infected by malware when installing every firefox random extension they see.
yes, firefox extensions can contains malicious native code, and can be as dangerous as running an exe from an unknown source, and extensions addicts are just asking for troubles! outbound firewalls won't even protect you from these nasty stuffs since they run inside firefox process which is probably allowed to connect to internet without warning from the firewall.

UndergroundWire said,
Why would anyone still use Internet Explorer? I'm strictly on Firefox and Chrome.

Because for many IE does everything they need...
It is as standard compliant as the rest now, the only reason there really is to switch is if you want addons.
(Unfortunately I get a feeling a lot of those 50% are old Windows XP machines that haven't installed many updates and still run IE6...)

link8506 said,

funny how people consider themselves smart or "power user" just because they don't use IE.

most self proclamed power users are totally ignorant about the shortcomings of firefox, like the lack of security sandbox (exposing severely the user to future firefox/flashplayer 0day flaws) or the fact that they can be infected by malware when installing every firefox random extension they see.
yes, firefox extensions can contains malicious native code, and can be as dangerous as running an exe from an unknown source, and extensions addicts are just asking for troubles! outbound firewalls won't even protect you from these nasty stuffs since they run inside firefox process which is probably allowed to connect to internet without warning from the firewall.

It's funny how I have always used Firefox and a security software and never got infected. I guess I really am just smart.

UndergroundWire said,
Why would anyone still use Internet Explorer? I'm strictly on Firefox and Chrome.

Mostly people who don't know any better. And corporate IT departments of course.

link8506 said,

funny how people consider themselves smart or "power user" just because they don't use IE.

Isn't that the very definition? Being able to discern a bad browser from a good one that is

Hi anti-IE fanboys, this is reality speaking.
IE10 PP3 currently scores best in test262, which is a standards compliance test (it doesn't test performance) on ECMAScript 5. And the last semi-official results for the CSS 2.1 test suite show IE9 leading everyone else (there was a post on Google Groups by Gérard Talbot about that some time ago, can't find it - the "official" results are incomplete, lacking 3-10% of test case results and not taking browser versions into account).

To all people who think not using IE make them "smart" or "power users", look at yourself in a mirror. I'm using Firefox, that's not a reason to boast...it crashes on me a few times a day (to give credit where credit is due, most of these crashes end in full recovery after a few dozen seconds of freeze, no crash dialog or anything).

UndergroundWire said,
Why would anyone still use Internet Explorer? I'm strictly on Firefox and Chrome.
Because you are more vulnerable to hacking, Fishing and scams than us IE9 users. IE9 has the best and largest database of bad websites than any other browser has. Plus we now can use IE9 64 bit version (Flash 64 and Java 64 are now mainstream) which makes IE9 allot more safe. That's why!

Aethec said,
Hi anti-IE fanboys, this is reality speaking.

Here is reality talking back to you. Don't cry because someone has a difference of an opinion. You are calling me a Fanboy? Based on one statement. You are not intelligent at all. Did you know I'm not a fanboy? Did you know I like Microsoft for some products? Google too. Before you begin any stupid statement you have to say, don't call anyone a fanboy. It really does make you look foolish.

Try not to be so childish in the future. Just because someone has a difference of opinion does not make them a fanboy. I hope you and the rest of the foolish people on this site that use the term inappropriately can learn something once in your life.

UndergroundWire said,
Why would anyone still use Internet Explorer? I'm strictly on Firefox and Chrome.

This is the beginning of a huge toll/flame war right here

UndergroundWire said,

Don't cry because someone has a difference of an opinion.

Instead of hiding your own sadness using this reply, look back at your previous comments to see that they look like they've been written by a 9-year old kid who thinks he's the best in the world because he uses a super cool browser and because of that NO ONE MAY DISAGREE WITH HIM!

UndergroundWire said,

Here is reality talking back to you. Don't cry because someone has a difference of an opinion. You are calling me a Fanboy? Based on one statement. You are not intelligent at all. Did you know I'm not a fanboy? Did you know I like Microsoft for some products? Google too. Before you begin any stupid statement you have to say, don't call anyone a fanboy. It really does make you look foolish.

Try not to be so childish in the future. Just because someone has a difference of opinion does not make them a fanboy. I hope you and the rest of the foolish people on this site that use the term inappropriately can learn something once in your life.


Saying that being smart is choosing anything but IE is childish.
Look at yourself before trying to "educate" others - the comments you made in this comment thread are "Why would anyone use IE" and "Be smart for once" talking about switching browsers.

Coi said,

Instead of hiding your own sadness using this reply, look back at your previous comments to see that they look like they've been written by a 9-year old kid who thinks he's the best in the world because he uses a super cool browser and because of that NO ONE MAY DISAGREE WITH HIM!

Ahh but I never said no one can disagree with me. I said leave the childish behavior at home If someone has a difference of opinion. LEARN TO READ!

Aethec said,

Saying that being smart is choosing anything but IE is childish.
Look at yourself before trying to "educate" others - the comments you made in this comment thread are "Why would anyone use IE" and "Be smart for once" talking about switching browsers.

I never did try to convert anyone or educate anyone. I simply asked a question. LEARN TO READ!

The be smart for once comment was an obvious joke. Did the laughing face at the end of that joke throw you off there champ? Do we know what a joke is sport?

Joey S said,

Mostly people who don't know any better. And corporate IT departments of course.

I don't even use Internet Explorer at Work. Thank God I have admin rights on my machine and I am much smart than our so-called "IT" Guys.

UndergroundWire said,
I don't even use Internet Explorer at Work. Thank God I have admin rights on my machine and I am much smart than our so-called "IT" Guys.
This makes me sad, only because I've known clients in the past that have done this thinking they were clever, then they come complaining to our department when something doesn't work properly.
"Well are you using the browser we told you to use?"
"No, <browser X> is way better!"
"Apparently not in this case, that's why we didn't suggest you use it. Go back to the browser we told you to use, and if there are any problems with that then we'll help."

Intrinsica said,
This makes me sad, only because I've known clients in the past that have done this thinking they were clever, then they come complaining to our department when something doesn't work properly.
"Well are you using the browser we told you to use?"
"No, <browser X> is way better!"
"Apparently not in this case, that's why we didn't suggest you use it. Go back to the browser we told you to use, and if there are any problems with that then we'll help."

Be sad all you want. I don't call our helpless desk for anything. In fact, in my office, they are told not to call the helpless desk and to come see me (unofficially). I don't recommend people at work not to use Internet Explorer because I don't know what web apps they use. I do it because I am not stupid.

The clients you've dealt with were stupid. You would never deal with me, GUARANTEED!!!

UndergroundWire said,
I don't even use Internet Explorer at Work. Thank God I have admin rights on my machine and I am much smart than our so-called "IT" Guys.

See ? That's what people call childish behavior.

Aethec said,

See ? That's what people call childish behavior.

How is that childish? Because I said I am smarter than my "IT" guys. My unit has been told not to call them and to go through me. I fix problems that normally takes them 2 days to fix.

Part of the problem seems to be that they cannot push out new features as quickly as Google or Mozilla can

Look at the work they had to do between IE8 and IE9...they rewrote the rendering engine, rewrote the JS engine, rewrote the GUI. The reason they are a bit behind is that they were far, far behind before.

BTW, the recent post about SVG in the IEblog contains an example (the american map with radio buttons) that doesn't work in FF 9.0a2, but works in IE9.

Aethec said,

BTW, the recent post about SVG in the IEblog contains an example (the american map with radio buttons) that doesn't work in FF 9.0a2, but works in IE9.

I wouldn't go barging about what IE9 can do VS FF in HTML 5, because there are plenty "basic" things that are crossbrowser compatible in which IE needs an external JavaScript to process. Plus, that's the IE Blog....

Jose_49 said,
I wouldn't go barging about what IE9 can do VS FF in HTML 5, because there are plenty "basic" things that are crossbrowser compatible in which IE needs an external JavaScript to process. Plus, that's the IE Blog....

My point is, all the Gecko/WebKit/Presto fanboys should stop saying "IE can't render HTML lol" and look at the rendering engines they're using. That example on the IE Blog is perfectly valid markup.

Aethec said,

My point is, all the Gecko/WebKit/Presto fanboys should stop saying "IE can't render HTML lol" and look at the rendering engines they're using.

Well... I agree with you in that. People just over-exaggerate things.

Jeex said,
Wonder how much of that block of IE users are also running XP :-)

You can ask the same about FF or Chrome, since IE9 is not available to XP.

maybe MS should start doing monthly upgrades like chrome and pushing major upgrades as a deployable item for corporations

neufuse said,
maybe MS should start doing monthly upgrades like chrome and pushing major upgrades as a deployable item for corporations

This is my thought exactly. The corporations wouldn't like it, but it could pushed on home users easily and optional for companies who need time for testing.

jwoodfin09 said,

This is my thought exactly. The corporations wouldn't like it, but it could pushed on home users easily and optional for companies who need time for testing.

And then the antitrust geeks would start crying.

neufuse said,
maybe MS should start doing monthly upgrades like chrome and pushing major upgrades as a deployable item for corporations

since MS supports each version of IE during 10 years, that would be simply impossible.

Corporate users and home users don't need and don't want a new browser every two months. Only geeks do.

Almost each time something is "improved" in a browser rendering engine it breaks a small part of the existing stuffs (website, intranet, configuration interfaces embedded in home routers...)

It's important to have at least one browser in the market to target when developing webapps that can't be easily updated once deployed on a customer server (or worst, embedded in a device firmware). IE is this browser, and MS is not going to follow the hype by updating IE every 3 months just for the sake of it.

Look at IBM who has migrated recently to firefox 3.6, only to discover that since firefox 4, there would no longer be a 1 year "long term" support for each release. Last july, they planed to upgrade to firefox 4 in september, only to discover that firefox 5 was already out, and firefox 4 no longer supported (no longer receiving security updates...)

neufuse said,
maybe MS should start doing monthly upgrades like chrome and pushing major upgrades as a deployable item for corporations

It wouldn't make any difference. They only ones using IE are businesses and users who don't know what a browser is. Corporatism and Ignorance are IE's only weapons. It's a losing strategy.

Joey S said,

It wouldn't make any difference. They only ones using IE are businesses and users who don't know what a browser is. Corporatism and Ignorance are IE's only weapons. It's a losing strategy.
Very true!

Corporations, ignorant people, and extreme MS fanboys are the only people that use IE anymore. Corporations need extremely long support, which I could understand. Ignorant people are, well, ignorant. But fanboys using IE? That's just sad.

Joey S said,

It wouldn't make any difference. They only ones using IE are businesses and users who don't know what a browser is. Corporatism and Ignorance are IE's only weapons. It's a losing strategy.

I don't consider myself to be ignorant and I use IE9, as it is really good and fast.

kavazovangel said,

And then the antitrust geeks would start crying.

Part of the issue is, to an extent, *favoritism* toward non-IE browsers - yes, it sounds like something ordinarily dismissible as a crock, but I have data.

I have two Facebook-based (social) games that don't just perform poorly in IE, but don't work in IE *at all*. They aren't from the same developer, and both developers have other FB-based games that run in IE just fine. The weird part - one works just fine in Chrome, and the other ONLY works in (shockingly) *Opera*. (That's right - neither game works in Firefox/Pale Moon/Waterfox, on addition to IE.) The result of such *favoritism* is multiple installed browsers - in my case, if each bitness is counted separately, it's six - and market-share fragmentation. However, apparently, it's what we, as users, really want.

PGHammer said,

Almost each time something is "improved" in a browser rendering engine it breaks a small part of the existing stuffs (website, intranet, configuration interfaces embedded in home routers...).

It only breaks a small part of badly coded web site.

Joey S said,

It wouldn't make any difference. They only ones using IE are businesses and users who don't know what a browser is. Corporatism and Ignorance are IE's only weapons. It's a losing strategy.

And you're a genius because you installed a browser... stupid idiot

MS Lose32 said,
Very true!

Corporations, ignorant people, and extreme MS fanboys are the only people that use IE anymore. Corporations need extremely long support, which I could understand. Ignorant people are, well, ignorant. But fanboys using IE? That's just sad.

If it's sad go hang yourself... it would be apprecciated

neufuse said,
maybe MS should start doing monthly upgrades like chrome and pushing major upgrades as a deployable item for corporations

Maybe MS should include actual useful basic functionality like firefox, such as not allowing websites to disable right-click, a real addon system, etc.

neufuse said,
maybe MS should start doing monthly upgrades like chrome and pushing major upgrades as a deployable item for corporations
They can't do that unless they have a separate version for businesses. Which would be a good idea.

fenderMarky said,

And you're a genius because you installed a browser... stupid idiot

fenderMarky said,

If it's sad go hang yourself... it would be apprecciated

Given that both of your comments didn't add anything to the discussion other than personal insults and you misspelled "apprecciated", maybe you fall in the "ignorant" category. Let me guess, do you happen to use IE perchance?

MS Lose32 said,
Corporations, ignorant people, and extreme MS fanboys are the only people that use IE anymore.

MS Lose32 said,
The newer versions are great browsers for the dumb, computer-illiterate masses.

MS Lose32 said,
Given that both of your comments didn't add anything to the discussion other than personal insults and you misspelled "apprecciated", maybe you fall in the "ignorant" category. Let me guess, do you happen to use IE perchance?

Kind of like what you've been doing by labeling everybody who doesn't agree with you an idiot and or ignorant? (So much for freedom of choice..) So, by your own criteria I guess that makes you an IE user too eh?

Joey S said,

They only ones using IE are businesses and users who don't know what a browser is. Corporatism and Ignorance are IE's only weapons. It's a losing strategy.

I don't know how you've managed to get yourself to believe that, but it certainly must have been a hard job. While it's true IE 8 wasn't the best out there, its successor IE 9 is simply ahead of all other browsers, in terms of speed, security, and more. Unless you want like 5398 little useless slowing-down plugins that destruct your whole page and probably spy on your PC as well, but I don't know many people who want those.
It's also sad how you fail to realize IE fell just under 5% because of the 1% using mobile browsers. It's even more sad that people like you who join the "I DONT USE INTERNET EXPLORER" broadway always consider themself smarter.

neufuse said,
maybe MS should start doing monthly upgrades like chrome and pushing major upgrades as a deployable item for corporations

Since you can only have one native installation of IE per copy of Windows, as a web developer, I would ****ing hate this. I already have 4 virtual machines for nothing but IE6, IE7, IE8 and IE9. As few major releases as possible please.

Joey S said,

It wouldn't make any difference. They only ones using IE are businesses and users who don't know what a browser is. Corporatism and Ignorance are IE's only weapons. It's a losing strategy.

you speak like a moron

You obviously didn't even try IE9 and don't know anything about what you're talking about.

IE is way more secure than unsandboxed browsers like firefox, and each new version brings features that are later copied by other browsers:

Ajax (ie5.5), Sandbox which also protects against 0day flash player flaws (ie7), tabs isolation (ie8), hardware acceleration (ie9),

and other features like sites pinning, notifications in the taskbar (used by facebook and hotmail), ad blocker (using the adblock TPL), native javascript/css/network debugger, accelerators.

Saying bull****s about IE no longer makes you cool. It makes you look dumb.

http://www.neowin.net/news/int...ure-than-chrome-and-firefox

http://www.neowin.net/news/cha...safest-computing-experience

LaP said,

It only breaks a small part of badly coded web site.

That's a myth!
Every browser fails to implement even html4/css2.0 perfectly.
Even if you write code correctly, there is always a risk that future versions of a web browser will interpret your page differently, in a way more conform to the standards, but less conform to what you intended.

For exemple, the way text overflow or table content overflow is handled has often changed the last few years from version to versions of every browsers. The same is true for whitespacing, subpixel font sizes, ...

That's why corporate users need to test internal webapps thoroughly for each new browser version they intend to deploy. There are often nasty surprises.