iPad hits 150,000 units sold in the first 72 hours

It doesn’t matter if you love the iPad or not, one thing for certain is that Steve Jobs built up the hype and we will all soon know if the product lived up to its stature.  According to Daniel Tello, the iPad looks to have sold about 150,000 units in the first 72 hours.

While this is speculation, he has shown to be reliably accurate in the past so there is some merit behind his analysis.  The predicted sales are "based off of tracking order numbers submitted by volunteers at Investor Village's AAPL Sanity board".

These sales in comparison to other launches (if accurate) dwarf those of the Nexus One at approximately 60,000 units but the iPhone 3G was able to hit 1 million sales in the first three days.

The iPad has started a flurry of competitor tablets, while its unknown if HP kicked out the Slate at CES to beat Apple to the punch; other manufactures have begun to jump on the tablet based computer rush.  While 2009 may have been the year of the netbook, 2010 may be the year of the tablet.

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I am buying an iPad and not the PC counterparts for two reasons.
1. Security is a big deal for the information I deal with and the OS used on the Phone/Touch has proven itself reliable on that. The only time that OS has been compromised is when users jailbroke their phones and someone took advantage of the jailbreak OS.
2. Apples computers last so much longer for there intended use. I have been going through a laptop a year at work because PC hardware seems to be good at failing. Various hard drive crashes, heating problems(though those were HP specific) and my favorite was the DVD Ram drives from Toshiba that were all sorts of fail. Installed Windows XP from the cd that comes with it and then when I got into XP after the install, it couldn't do anything with the drive other than tell me it doesn't work. During the same period of time I have had a Macbook Pro and have yet to have any issues. It even runs Windows better than a PC laptop which I found a bit amusing. Four PC laptops later and almost $4000 later I still have the same working $2000 laptop I bought from Apple.

I am not blind enough to believe all PC laptops are bad, that's just my experience and why I am not going to trust PC's anytime soon. Also the key is that I use these and compare them for there intended use. They all ran about the same when it came to performance but the Mac simple lasts longer. I also know that I am not the only one at work that has had the same issues with their Mac's outlasting their PC's.

Don't forget, Macs run the same hardware as PCs. It's likely they are higher quality parts than cheap PC hardware ... but then if you bought quality PC hardware, you'd get the same reliability as a Mac, for a similar price. Basically, it's not really a strong reason.

SputnikGamer said,
I am buying an iPad and not the PC counterparts for two reasons.
1. Security is a big deal for the information I deal with and the OS used on the Phone/Touch has proven itself reliable on that. The only time that OS has been compromised is when users jailbroke their phones and someone took advantage of the jailbreak OS.

iPhone / iPad do not have the security / encryption found on PCs. I think even Apple said this themselves, that the iPhone is not to be used for business purposes.

2. Apples computers last so much longer for there intended use. I have been going through a laptop a year at work because PC hardware seems to be good at failing. Various hard drive crashes, heating problems(though those were HP specific) and my favorite was the DVD Ram drives from Toshiba that were all sorts of fail. Installed Windows XP from the cd that comes with it and then when I got into XP after the install, it couldn't do anything with the drive other than tell me it doesn't work. During the same period of time I have had a Macbook Pro and have yet to have any issues. It even runs Windows better than a PC laptop which I found a bit amusing. Four PC laptops later and almost $4000 later I still have the same working $2000 laptop I bought from Apple.

I am not blind enough to believe all PC laptops are bad, that's just my experience and why I am not going to trust PC's anytime soon. Also the key is that I use these and compare them for there intended use. They all ran about the same when it came to performance but the Mac simple lasts longer. I also know that I am not the only one at work that has had the same issues with their Mac's outlasting their PC's.

You do know mac hardware isn't any different to say PC hardware right? Take dell for example. They both use Intel processors. They both use motherboards made by Foxconn. They both have GPUs made by nVidia. The dvd drive isn't any different, apart from the Apple logo stamped on it. They both use western digital / samsung / seagate hardrives. I can go on, but I'm sure you get the point.

To somehow think that hardware Apple uses gets some magical finish to it that is unheard of in its PC counterparts, is absurd.

I don't know why your hardware keeps failing to be honest. I have 2 dell laptops, one bought in 2008 and the other bought in 2005. And they both work fine to this day. The only replacements I've ever had to do was the lcd screen when my original laptop fell, and a new battery pack for it when the old one started losing it's charge.

Kirkburn said,
Don't forget, Macs run the same hardware as PCs. It's likely they are higher quality parts than cheap PC hardware ... but then if you bought quality PC hardware, you'd get the same reliability as a Mac, for a similar price. Basically, it's not really a strong reason.

But it is for exactly that reason. You can't easily install the Mac OS on just any PC. The driver support isn't there. Windows, on the other hand can go on a Mac with no issues. Going with a cheaper PC means I don't get the security of the Mac OS. Everyone knows that because of its popularity, Windows is the prime target for viruses. Had it went down different and Mac OS was 80% of the market, I'd be on a Windows platform.

Also I like having my choice for an OS. Linus, Windows, and Mac OS work on a Mac. Mac OS doesn't work on most PC's with custom hardware.

If you are willing to pay similar amount of money, you could get PCs that would last longer and with much higher specs. You can even run over them with a truck! I have several co-workers who are having significant issues with their Macs...

Ok, I have had PCs last 8-10 years before with all the original components. I have had PCs DOA right out of the box. The same goes true with what I have seen with Apple products. Same companies make hardware for macs and PCs...so of course there are going to be hardware failures...But, a lot of Apple parts, are proprietary even if they are made by the same companies. Why its more expensive that the same PC components.

And I hate the line "macs are more secure, and I am not worried about security" Thats going to be Apples, and their users, downfalls. The last 2-3 years Apple was nailed first in the Pwn2Own contest, Windows was 2nd, and I dont believe Linux got hacked yet. I remember back in the early 90s when PCs started to become really popular...I didnt have AV on my PC for years, no need to.

Also, your PC/Mac is only as secure as the network you are on. So make sure you have your checks in place with your other equipment as well.

zagor said,
If you are willing to pay similar amount of money, you could get PCs that would last longer and with much higher specs. You can even run over them with a truck! I have several co-workers who are having significant issues with their Macs...

Its not about the price really. Its about the product life length. Also using custom PC parts means no Mac OS for security.

SputnikGamer said,

Also I like having my choice for an OS. Linus, Windows, and Mac OS work on a Mac. Mac OS doesn't work on most PC's with custom hardware.

And thats how Apple likes it. Its designed to run on their specific hardware there for you must buy, and pay more, for their equipment.

PCs get a bad rap as well because a lot of wannabe PC builders build cheap PCs. Hell, I knew people who did that and worked with people who built PCs on the side. They would buy cheap parts and nothing but problems. I spent a little $$ and NEVER had an issue.

A lot of BSOD errors are not MS' fault, rather cheap hardware manufacturers that built crap products that dont have drivers written well and tested to work.

Edited by techbeck, Mar 16 2010, 12:12am :

SputnikGamer said,

Its not about the price really. Its about the product life length. Also using custom PC parts means no Mac OS for security.

Product life length is the same. Do you think Intel, ATI, NVIDIA, Western Digital, Maxtor, Seagate....and other companies build better quality, equal, parts for PCs than they do Macs?

Or did I miss something?

techbeck said,

And thats how Apple likes it. Its designed to run on their specific hardware there for you must buy, and pay more, for their equipment.

PCs get a bad rap as well because a lot of wannabe PC builders build cheap PCs. Hell, I knew people who did that and worked with people who built PCs on the side. They would buy cheap parts and nothing but problems. I spent a little $ and NEVER had an issue.

A lot of BSOD errors are not MS' fault, rather cheap hardware manufacturers that built crap products that dont have drivers written well and tested to work.

For the Mac PC's its not Apples fault though. Its the hardware manufacturers that aren't making the drivers. The major companies aren't to horrible about it but sometimes even they fail to make anything for the Mac. Back when it was Mac specific hardware it may have been true but not Mac's come with intel chips.

I built my currently PC for about $800 and its got more than what you can get in the store for twice the price. I can't run Mac OS on it though. It's not MS's fault as they don't build PCs, the make software. Dell, HP, Gateway, and everyone else uses cheap parts to maximize profits and then harp about Mac's costing so much.

SputnikGamer said,

Dell, HP, Gateway, and everyone else uses cheap parts to maximize profits and then harp about Mac's costing so much.

Ok, I cannot speak for Gateway...but I know for a fact that Dell, HP, and Lenovo all use name brand parts in their products. Doesnt matter if it is a $300 netbook, or a $3000 laptop. Yea, the netbook may have a lower end version of the hardware the notebook has...but they are still made by name brand companies.

techbeck said,

Ok, I cannot speak for Gateway...but I know for a fact that Dell, HP, and Lenovo all use name brand parts in their products. Doesnt matter if it is a $300 netbook, or a $3000 laptop. Yea, the netbook may have a lower end version of the hardware the notebook has...but they are still made by name brand companies.

If that is true, that is all good but again it comes back to none of the laptops I had lasted more than a year before the hardware failed. They lost my trust with that.

SputnikGamer said,

If that is true, that is all good but again it comes back to none of the laptops I had lasted more than a year before the hardware failed. They lost my trust with that.

I have a Dell Inspiron...8 years old...still works great, just needs a new battery. But again, is this really the hardwares fault, or poorly made laptops with poor ventilation? I have seen both.

If I stopped using a product because of issues, I would never buy anything again. Sometimes hardware has a bad bath...same with Macs and PCs.

In terms of hardware, except the case, there is no difference between a PC and a Mac. You have to prove your claim.

Just because PC people update their system more often than mac users, does not mean mac lasts longer. It just means that benefit/price ratio allows them to do the update more often.

And personally, I don't find OS X as a positive.

Edited by zagor, Mar 16 2010, 12:29am :

[quote=zagor said,]In terms of hardware, except the case, there is no difference between a PC and a Mac. You have to prove your claim. [/quote]

Just because PC people update their system more often than mac users, does not mean mac lasts longer. It just means that benefit/price ratio allows them to do the update more often. [/quote]

Stop over reading what I post. Its seriously this simple. The Toshiba laptop I had, horrible DVD Ram drives. HP laptop burned, literally burned the laptop mobo. The dell's hard drive went out after 6 months. I am not talking about updates or software. The hardware on these were all faulty. Hence I have lost trust in PC laptops. I blew 4k on 4 PC laptops and 2k on one Macbook Pro. Tell me if my numbers are wrong but I am pretty sure that means the benefit/price ratio favors the Mac in my case.

The case of a Macbook Pro is a whole other issue on top of hardware. If you do a bit or research into it, you will find out why it is designed the way it is. It is one solid piece of medal. This is to disperse heat further away than the other laptops. Other laptops, including the old Macbook Pros have panels that collect heat which is the fault that caused my HP to burn up.


[quote=zagor said,]And personally, I don't find OS X as a positive. [/quote]

You don't like OS X. That's fine. I am not even talking about user preference. Due to the lack of users, OS X simply is not the target of choice for hackers. Hence more secure.

There is no claim to prove as it is as simple as this. Out of the 4 PC laptops I had, all within half a year got hardware problems. In the same time as owning those, I had a Macbook Pro that had no hardware issues whatsoever. Even after loading Windows 7 on the Macbook Pro is still out performing my coworkers systems.

4 PC Laptops. 4 PC Laptop Failures. 1 Mac Laptop. No Mac Failures. I am not disputing any experience you have had with your PC's so I don't have prove anything. You can't possibly argue with me about the experience I had. I am not disputing hardware numbers such as RAM or Processor throughput. I am purely speaking out of experience with products. Fact PC laptops have failed me and the Mac laptop has not.

The heating issue is also the same reason why I will not even bother taking a look at the HP Slate. Look up on Google what HP's biggest issue with most of its products is. Overheating. No thanks. As a company HP has lost my respect as they have blatantly ignored something so simple for so long.

When it comes to laptops and portable devices, I am all for Apple. They haven't failed me yet. Desktop I go with PC as I can build my own system and it will do what I want it to without overheating. Until the day comes that you can truly build your own laptop, though, I am not going to waste my money on a PC laptop anymore.

SputnikGamer said,
quote fail

you may have had terrible experience with pcs. but, that is I would say pretty rare. Especially, your level of luck or lack of luck is very rare :-) I personally didn't not have any issues with my windows based laptops (not a single one, all thinkpads), and I didn't have any issues with my mackbook pro. But, I know quite a few coworkers who had a lot of issues with their macs. For the last 6-7 years, I don't remember having any virus issues.

zagor said,

you may have had terrible experience with pcs. but, that is I would say pretty rare. Especially, your level of luck or lack of luck is very rare :-) I personally didn't not have any issues with my windows based laptops (not a single one, all thinkpads), and I didn't have any issues with my mackbook pro. But, I know quite a few coworkers who had a lot of issues with their macs. For the last 6-7 years, I don't remember having any virus issues.

While the Gateway and Dells were probably bad luck, the HP and Toshiba weren't. HP burning up issue was common and still is with many of HP's machines. Hell the first one my Dad bought back in 04 burned up the second day he had it. Only reason he got another was because the warranty covered it. Toshiba made the horrible choice to use DVD Ram drives which if you look it up on Google, gave Toshiba a bad rep for it. It worked fine for a while and then randomly stopped responding inside the Windows OS and there was no real fix for it. Once it happened, reinstalling Windows wouldn't change it back.

The iPad has started a flurry of competitor tablets, while its unknown if HP kicked out the Slate at CES to beat Apple to the punch; other manufactures have begun to jump on the tablet based computer rush. While 2009 may have been the year of the netbook, 2010 may be the year of the tablet.

Tablet PCs have been out since 2002(?). They aren't anything new at all. But Apple will always manage to spin something to make it seem they invented it.

/- Razorfold said,

Tablet PCs have been out since 2002(?). They aren't anything new at all. But Apple will always manage to spin something to make it seem they invented it.

+1

And those tablets have full/real OS'

Edited by techbeck, Mar 15 2010, 9:01pm :

/- Razorfold said,

Tablet PCs have been out since 2002(?). They aren't anything new at all. But Apple will always manage to spin something to make it seem they invented it.

Been out since 2002, been garbage for just as long. Courier and Slate won't alter the pattern.

Edited by Kookaburra, Mar 15 2010, 9:35pm :

Kookaburra said,

Been out since 2002, been garbage for just as long. Courier and Slate won't alter the pattern.

Would hardly call them garbage. They were the thing at the time and proves that tablets are nothing new. They just seem like garbage now because, 8 years later, there is newer and better things available. Look at evolution of the cell phone. Would you call the first one garbage? Maybe for todays standard it was, but not back then.

techbeck said,

Would hardly call them garbage. They were the thing at the time and proves that tablets are nothing new. They just seem like garbage now because, 8 years later, there is newer and better things available. Look at evolution of the cell phone. Would you call the first one garbage? Maybe for todays standard it was, but not back then.

Did you own one?

Kookaburra said,

Did you own one?

Not personally but I had to support them at work and have had friends who had them. At the time, they were the thing...not so now. Same thing will all technology...there is always a first of something and then others come along and make it better.

By your thinking, a 1956 Corvette is garbage compared to a 2010 Corvette.

Edited by techbeck, Mar 15 2010, 9:17pm :

Kookaburra said,

Been out since 2002, been garbage for just as long. Courier and Slate won't alter the pattern.

According to you maybe. But back in 2002 being able to touch a screen and do things was considered impressive.

At least with those devices you could do whatever the hell you pleased on them, and that includes installing Linux if you wanted to (for example). With this, you can only do what Apple wants you to do.

Your own beloved god, Steve Jobs, openly said people who buy tablets are idiots or very rich. Look where we are at now. If you don't believe me go do a google search.

Edited by -Razorfold, Mar 15 2010, 9:54pm :

Kookaburra said,

Been out since 2002, been garbage for just as long. Courier and Slate won't alter the pattern.


They've only been garbage because tablet functions were just a crappy slap on. Of course it's going to be crap. The OS needs to be designed with tablet functions in mind for it to be worthwhile to use.

Kookaburra said,

Because those tablets were trying to cram a full-featured, clunky OS into a formfactor that it wasn't made for, hence no one bought them due to the overall end result being garbage. Now if you could pull Balmers balls out of your mouth long enough to get some air, you'd see that the Slate and the Courier will just continue that long line of irrelevance.

Wrong again. Lots of people bought tablets, because it was a way to take notes without having to use paper. Doesn't matter what the OS was on it as long as they could write on the screen. It was one of the reasons Onenote was created. It was a specialized product sure, but not a bad one.

Slate uses a HP front end to do the majority of tasks the iPad does, and windows 7 touch is massively improved compared to windows xp touch. Point to note, PRODUCTS IMPROVE.

Courier uses a completely different OS that draws its roots from Zune and now Windows Phone 7, not a full featured Windows OS.

Edited by -Razorfold, Mar 15 2010, 9:05pm :

techbeck said,

Would hardly call them garbage. They were the thing at the time and proves that tablets are nothing new. They just seem like garbage now because, 8 years later, there is newer and better things available. Look at evolution of the cell phone. Would you call the first one garbage? Maybe for todays standard it was, but not back then.


I personally own/ owned several tablet PCs. They are excellent devices for the purpose they are intended for.

techbeck said,

By your thinking, a 1956 Corvette is garbage compared to a 2010 Corvette.

From a functional point of view, I don't see how you could argue against that. I don't think there is a single measure where a 2010 Corvette doesn't completely obliterate a 1956 Corvette.

geoken said,

From a functional point of view, I don't see how you could argue against that. I don't think there is a single measure where a 2010 Corvette doesn't completely obliterate a 1956 Corvette.


Comparing a tablet PC with a slate/Ipad is like comparing Apples to Oranges (no pun intended). They are intended for quite different purposes.

zagor said,

Comparing a tablet PC with a slate/Ipad is like comparing Apples to Oranges (no pun intended). They are intended for quite different purposes.
What is the difference, then?

Edited by Kirkburn, Mar 16 2010, 12:40am :

Kirkburn said,
What is the difference, then?

well, a tablet PC is a full-featured laptop with a touchscreen. It is a much more general purpose tool compared to Ipad or HP slate, which are sort of only media consumption devices. Just go to lenovo's website and check the specs for X201T. And compare it to Ipad or HP slate.

I can easily run some intensive calculations on my tablet pc (1.86 GHz core 2 duo). I can use it to take notes (with the stylus and onenote), prepare handwritten presentations...I can use it to work with photoshop, illustrator etc (the stylus is very accurate and pressure sensitive)... And of course, I can use it to watch movies from netflix, hulu, just like any other laptop.

Edited by zagor, Mar 16 2010, 4:51am :

While this is speculation, he has shown to be reliably accurate in the past so there is some merit behind his analysis.

Reliable or not...I dont want speculation. Just the facts please....the rest is garbage.

These sales in comparison to other launches (if accurate) dwarf those of the Nexus One at approximately 60,000 units but the iPhone 3G was able to hit 1 million sales in the first three days.

Of course the Nexus One sales dont compare. The Nexus One is limited to one carrier while the iPad can be used without a carrier. Stupid assed comparrison. Who is writting these things? Better yet, who is reposting the garbage?

The iPad has started a flurry of competitor tablets, while its unknown if HP kicked out the Slate at CES to beat Apple to the punch; other manufactures have begun to jump on the tablet based computer rush. While 2009 may have been the year of the netbook, 2010 may be the year of the tablet.

I want to see how long the Slate and the Android tablet has been discussed/in production compared the the iPad. The iPad may have simply been the first to market, not the first to be thought off. This makes people believe that because Apple produced a tablet, everyone else is now. I hate how people always think Apple is always the first for something.

First of all, this was hardly a scientific test. Second, there is a good chance the "sales" are much higher. This is because you could also reserve an iPad for pickup on the day of release. The numbers of reservations are not taken into account here.

I, for one, did reserve one for pick up as it is easter weekend and I will be with my family at my mother's house. So I will just drop by the Apple store on the way and pick it up rather than wait all day for the FedEx or UPS man.

Some people may also not have weekend delivery depending on the carrier (I know UPS does not deliver on weekends here) and, therefore, would have to wait until Monday to get it. That could be another reason why many people might have opted for pick up on Saturday morning instead.

We'll just have to see how well it does, but this "study" is not scientific or reliable and does not accurately predict the true number of how many units will really be sold upon launch once all things are considered (online pre-orders + reservations + people who just pick one up the day of on impulse or whatever).

I wouldn't exactly call this a successful launch or pre-order. "Luke warm" perhaps or maybe even "Better than expected" but 150K is from successful.
Given the tremendous drop-off in sales even within the first 72 hour period, you can see where the apple fanboys went out and bought one then the rest of the world went "meh!"
I'm sure they'll get more sales when the unit finally comes to market but this really was a massively missed opportunity on Apples behalf. If they had a decent product then those 150K units pre-ordered could have been 500K units quite easily.

Wow, what a tremendous drop-off in only 72 hours! The Apple magician spin machine can try and make everyone look at what's in the left hand, but it's the right hand that always worth observing closely...

This is an ABYSMAL sales curve for any Apple product. Even the diehard niche buyers are clearly taking a wait and see attitude.

It was a pre-announced preorder. If you already want one enough to preorder it why would you wait until the second or third day?

excalpius said,
Wow, what a tremendous drop-off in only 72 hours! The Apple magician spin machine can try and make everyone look at what's in the left hand, but it's the right hand that always worth observing closely...

This is an ABYSMAL sales curve for any Apple product. Even the diehard niche buyers are clearly taking a wait and see attitude.

Or more people are starting to go the reserve-for-pickup method, which these statistics do -not- take into account. Not sure why all the MS tools keep trying to compare pre-orders with launch-day sales of other products, but whatever. I should have guessed looking for common sense from kids with the pom-poms out for Microsoft is a bit too much to expect. Now I'll let you guys get back to your "ROFL maxipad suks appel isheep R teh stoopid" comments.

Kookaburra said,

Or more people are starting to go the reserve-for-pickup method, which these statistics do -not- take into account. Not sure why all the MS tools keep trying to compare pre-orders with launch-day sales of other products, but whatever. I should have guessed looking for common sense from kids with the pom-poms out for Microsoft is a bit too much to expect. Now I'll let you guys get back to your "ROFL maxipad suks appel isheep R teh stoopid" comments.

Nope, compared to the iPhone pre-orders this is quite low. Almost half in fact.

If you read his post you would know he was comparing Apple products to Apple products. But keep living in your dream world where everything someone says is a take at Apple.

Edited by -Razorfold, Mar 15 2010, 9:10pm :

/- Razorfold said,

Nope, compared to the iPhone pre-orders this is quite low. Almost half in fact.

If you read his post you would know he was comparing Apple products to Apple products. But keep living in your dream world where everything someone says is a take at Apple.

Really? Link to me where you got iPhone pre-order numbers from...I'm really curious.

200,000 iPhones were sold in stores the first day it was available.

http://paidcontent.org/article...er-numbers-in-some-context/

Kookaburra said,

You are missing something here. I'm curious to see when you'll catch in on it.

Oh you mean the time line? But wait.

That article doesn't say when the pre-orders started. So for all you know it could have been a day before that article was written. So it's speculation.

This article doesn't say EXACTLY how many iPads were sold. So for all you know it could have been only 40,000. So it's speculation.

To put it more into perspective, do you see how the rate of pre-order sales for the iPad sharply declined near the end? Assume that continues, oh wait. Speculation again.

Get over it. All the OP said was the iPad pre-order sales have been lower than Apple's other products and he is 100% right. Nobody is taking a jab at your beloved company here.

/- Razorfold said,

Oh you mean the time line? But wait.

That article doesn't say when the pre-orders started. So for all you know it could have been a day before that article was written. So it's speculation.

This article doesn't say EXACTLY how many iPads were sold. So for all you know it could have been only 40,000. So it's speculation.

To put it more into perspective, do you see how the rate of pre-order sales for the iPad sharply declined near the end? Assume that continues, oh wait. Speculation again.

Get over it. All the OP said was the iPad pre-order sales have been lower than Apple's other products and he is 100% right. Nobody is taking a jab at your beloved company here.

+!

/- Razorfold said,

Oh you mean the time line? But wait.

That article doesn't say when the pre-orders started. So for all you know it could have been a day before that article was written. So it's speculation.

This article doesn't say EXACTLY how many iPads were sold. So for all you know it could have been only 40,000. So it's speculation.

To put it more into perspective, do you see how the rate of pre-order sales for the iPad sharply declined near the end? Assume that continues, oh wait. Speculation again.

Get over it. All the OP said was the iPad pre-order sales have been lower than Apple's other products and he is 100% right. Nobody is taking a jab at your beloved company here.

Are you dense?

There were NO PREORDERS for the initial launch of the iPhone. None. They were not allowed. The only way you could get one of the first iPhones (not the 3Gs) was to buy one on launch day, and they sold 200,000. The pre-order numbers you are talking about were for the more full-featured 3Gs model, after it had been proven to be a worthy product. See where I'm going with this? You guys are trying to do some passive-aggressive jabs, but just coming off looking like thick-headed dolts. Now run along and report me, it seems to be the MO around here.

Edited by Kookaburra, Mar 15 2010, 9:48pm :

Kookaburra said,

Are you dense?

There were NO PREORDERS for the initial launch of the iPhone. None. They were not allowed. The only way you could get one of the first iPhones (not the 3Gs) was to buy one on launch day, and they sold 200,000. The pre-order numbers you are talking about were for the more full-featured 3Gs model, after it had been proven to be a worthy product. See where I'm going with this? You guys are trying to do some passive-aggressive jabs, but just coming off looking like thick-headed dolts. Now run along and report me, it seems to be the MO around here.

So? Does it matter if it was a first product or not? Did the OP state that? NO HE DID NOT. YOU assumed he was.

Secondly, he was talking about the sales curve of Apple products, something that is quite apparent in the graph. And something you completely failed to read in his post.

The article I linked you was for the iPhone 3g. As for 3GS every carrier that could sell pre-orders were out of stock. Hence, the pre-orders / pre-registrations outnumbered those of the iPad.

Edited by -Razorfold, Mar 15 2010, 9:57pm :

/- Razorfold said,

So? Does it matter if it was a first product or not? Did the OP state that? NO HE DID NOT. YOU assumed he was.

Secondly, he was talking about the sales curve of Apple products, something that is quite apparent in the graph. And something you completely failed to read in his post.

The article I linked you was for the iPhone 3g. As for 3GS every carrier that could sell pre-orders were out of stock. Hence, the pre-orders / pre-registrations outnumbered those of the iPad.

I think you're missing the point. Sales on pre orders will naturally drop off quick because there is no physical barrier which is forcing the rate of sales to maintain a steady level. There is no 1 block line up causing numerous people to say 'meh, I'll wait until things calm down and grab one next week'. There are no reports of short stock causing people to say 'There's no point going down to the store if they're probably going to be sold out, I'll just wait a week or two until they re-stock'.

The point is that there are various factors which cause physical sales to be spread out over a prolonged period which don't apply to pre-orders and online sales.

geoken said,

I think you're missing the point. Sales on pre orders will naturally drop off quick because there is no physical barrier which is forcing the rate of sales to maintain a steady level. There is no 1 block line up causing numerous people to say 'meh, I'll wait until things calm down and grab one next week'. There are no reports of short stock causing people to say 'There's no point going down to the store if they're probably going to be sold out, I'll just wait a week or two until they re-stock'.

The point is that there are various factors which cause physical sales to be spread out over a prolonged period which don't apply to pre-orders and online sales.

I'm not missing any point. The OP said the pre-orders of previous Apple products compared to this was higher, and they were.

The iPhone 3g / 3gs pre-orders sale curve never looked like that, they kept increasing till carriers ran out of stock (which was very fast). The simple fact is that the iPad sales started dropping off within a few hours, the graph shows it, and that is different to the pre-order sales of other apple products. That was all the OP was trying to point out. Somewhere along the lines that got confused into, physical sales, different products and a bunch of other crap.

you could maybe guess that there was only 120,000 people in the first 10 hours that really wanted to buy it, everything after that is just people who might be interested in it.

Therefore 120,000 hardcore fanboys

If I was Apple, I would be worried by them numbers.

The rate of pre-ordering does seem to drop drastically after the first 10 hours.
The 10 hours after that looks like roughly 25% of the sales within the first 10 hours.

I love when MS Fanboys start making up excuses for Apple's successful launch. It's a real fun to see what excuses they can come up with just to put down the product

Euphoria said,
I love when MS Fanboys start making up excuses for Apple's successful launch. It's a real fun to see what excuses they can come up with just to put down the product

What, you mean the same way Apple fanatics put down every Microsoft launch? Windows 7 to a lot of them was the worst windows launch in history.... going by some of the Apple fanatics I know..... yet it is selling like wild...

neufuse said,

What, you mean the same way Apple fanatics put down every Microsoft launch? Windows 7 to a lot of them was the worst windows launch in history.... going by some of the Apple fanatics I know..... yet it is selling like wild...

Nice to see that you are waging a war against the Apple fanatics I don't understand you guys, but keep going, it's fun to read

Euphoria said,
I love when MS Fanboys start making up excuses for Apple's successful launch. It's a real fun to see what excuses they can come up with just to put down the product

They're really not excuses. It's just analysis. People look at stats and try to interpret them. Most people are waiting for the actual release to judge whether the launch is a success. Otherwise, these preorder numbers are weak compared to, say, Windows 7 pre-orders, which shattered even Harry Potter preorders for Amazon.

Euphoria said,
I love when MS Fanboys start making up excuses for Apple's successful launch. It's a real fun to see what excuses they can come up with just to put down the product

He didn't start anything, you did with your post.

Joshie said,

They're really not excuses. It's just analysis. People look at stats and try to interpret them. Most people are waiting for the actual release to judge whether the launch is a success. Otherwise, these preorder numbers are weak compared to, say, Windows 7 pre-orders, which shattered even Harry Potter preorders for Amazon.


Yes and it's quite scientific and statisticaly correct to compare pre-orders of Operating System with a hardware device. What you can do is, that is if you want to be more correct with your estimates and comparisons. Take the number of PC owners and divide it with the number of Win 7 preorders. Then take the number of your so called Apple users base and divide it with the number of iPad preorders, then compare the ratio....
although the IPad only targets a niche group while Win 7 targets the whole population that has Win XP and Vista installed on their PCs....
Any way you see it Apples user base is much smaller than MS Windows user pool...
The funny part about fanboy's war is that logic does not apply in any of the arguments... It looks more like an online game play with all those little kids that join up on Xbox life just to curse and scream, which made me sign off and stop playing games on my xBox

Cheers

Redestium said,

He didn't start anything, you did with your post.

That is an excellent selective reading. Quite impressive!

Cheers

Euphoria said,
I love when MS Fanboys start making up excuses for Apple's successful launch. It's a real fun to see what excuses they can come up with just to put down the product

I know right?

"OMG The iPad is so ****ing stupid! Only idiots would buy such a terrible device!!!!!!!"
--Neowin MS Tool

Edited by Shadrack, Mar 15 2010, 7:50pm :

Euphoria said,

Yes and it's quite scientific and statisticaly correct to compare pre-orders of Operating System with a hardware device. What you can do is, that is if you want to be more correct with your estimates and comparisons. Take the number of PC owners and divide it with the number of Win 7 preorders. Then take the number of your so called Apple users base and divide it with the number of iPad preorders, then compare the ratio....
although the IPad only targets a niche group while Win 7 targets the whole population that has Win XP and Vista installed on their PCs....
Any way you see it Apples user base is much smaller than MS Windows user pool...
The funny part about fanboy's war is that logic does not apply in any of the arguments... It looks more like an online game play with all those little kids that join up on Xbox life just to curse and scream, which made me sign off and stop playing games on my xBox

Cheers

Whos comparing OS to hardware? I'm comparing people to people... two groups of people... one who Apple always wins and one who windows always wins... I fail to see how you got OS vs hardware from that? I was just mearly giving an example... since MS doesnt um make computers or devices (exclusing XBOX and some addon devices) but hey if you want to get equal on this....... You know there are peopel that say the XBOX launch did much better then the Apple Pippin launch *rotflmao*

Edited by neufuse, Mar 15 2010, 7:08pm :

Shadrack said,

I know right?

"OMG The iPad is so ****ing stupid! Only idiots would buy such a terrible device!!!!!!!"
--Neowin MS Tool


There are a couple of people like that for sure. But, they are not in the majority. If you want to make a comparison between fanboys, just check appleinsider or macrumors... you will find similar people over there too.

neufuse said,

Whos comparing OS to hardware? I'm comparing people to people... two groups of people... one who Apple always wins and one who windows always wins...

Well I am starting from my self. I pre-ordered Win 7 because I had Win XP on one of my PCs and Vista on the other one. So I can say that most of the people that did the pre-orders were upgrading their older systems. There was no wining over customers in that case. These are all existing MS Windows user base who just happen to upgrade their system.
iPad is a new hardware, and some people choose to buy it beside owning a desktop or laptop or maybe not even owning anything.... so in this case Apple is really acquiring a new user base for a new product.

Euphoria said,

Yes and it's quite scientific and statisticaly correct to compare pre-orders of Operating System with a hardware device.

Fine, compare it with the iPhone if you like. Didn't the iPhone sell like half a million in the first week? I'd find a source but I can't for the life of me, google is just throwing up like 3 pages of "iPad 150 000 sales" with what seems like any keyword I searched.

I'll wait till I can see more of it, I'm not liking that it's mainly just a bigger iPod Touch - though I don't even like the idea of tablet hardware. I'm looking forward to the multi-tasking on iPhone's though, gonna be great for apps.

Haegr said,

Fine, compare it with the iPhone if you like. Didn't the iPhone sell like half a million in the first week? I'd find a source but I can't for the life of me, google is just throwing up like 3 pages of "iPad 150 000 sales" with what seems like any keyword I searched.

I'll wait till I can see more of it, I'm not liking that it's mainly just a bigger iPod Touch - though I don't even like the idea of tablet hardware. I'm looking forward to the multi-tasking on iPhone's though, gonna be great for apps.

Again, you are comparing a Tablet with a Smartphone. Two separate products... two separate user groups. Using your analogy you might as well compare the Nexus one sales of 50,000 for the whole week and 150,000 iPads for 72 hours.... Doesnt look that good, does it?

Euphoria said,

Well I am starting from my self. I pre-ordered Win 7 because I had Win XP on one of my PCs and Vista on the other one. So I can say that most of the people that did the pre-orders were upgrading their older systems. There was no wining over customers in that case. These are all existing MS Windows user base who just happen to upgrade their system.
iPad is a new hardware, and some people choose to buy it beside owning a desktop or laptop or maybe not even owning anything.... so in this case Apple is really acquiring a new user base for a new product.

How can you prove these are new customers? They could be just people upgrading from an iPod touch to the iPad... it's basically the same thing with a few small features added, a little more power, and some new apps.... to me that's just an upgrade

Euphoria said,
Again, you are comparing a Tablet with a Smartphone. Two separate products... two separate user groups. Using your analogy you might as well compare the Nexus one sales of 50,000 for the whole week and 150,000 iPads for 72 hours.... Doesnt look that good, does it?

Dropped into a pitfall there, didn't I? It's going to be pretty difficult to give you a decent example seen as how it's main competitors haven't opened pre-orders yet, unless I am mistaken.

neufuse said,

How can you prove these are new customers? They could be just people upgrading from an iPod touch to the iPad... it's basically the same thing with a few small features added, a little more power, and some new apps.... to me that's just an upgrade


I know you are trying to prove your point, but it doesn't make sense. iPad is not and iPod nor netbook nor laptop, and is not competing with any of those products. No matter how many people are trying to compare the iPad with them it is just not correct comparison... This is more of a coffee table device for reading news, books ro just surfing the net. This is a good device for people that travel and dont want to cary bunch of books or magazines with them to read, and it's also targeting the students who can purchase their textbooks and carry them in one device instead of having a full backpack with books. Anyway as you can see it's a different product for a different user base. I have an iPod but I wont be "upgrading" to iPad so I can strap that tablet to my chest and go running outside and listening to music....

Haegr said,

Dropped into a pitfall there, didn't I? It's going to be pretty difficult to give you a decent example seen as how it's main competitors haven't opened pre-orders yet, unless I am mistaken.

Yes you are quite correct.

Cheers

Euphoria said,

That is an excellent selective reading. Quite impressive!

Cheers


There isn't too much to select from what you said. If you hadn't said anything to begin with there wouldn't be anything. However you had to throw your hat into the ring.

"I love when MS Fanboys start making up excuses for Apple's successful launch. It's a real fun to see what excuses they can come up with just to put down the product "

Redestium said,

There isn't too much to select from what you said. If you hadn't said anything to begin with there wouldn't be anything. However you had to throw your hat into the ring.

I am not making excuses for anyone. I am merely stating the obvious. Some people wnat to ignore the facts and wage a fanboy war, which I find it quite pointless but funny
I love both MS and Apple products and I can proudly state that I am a happy owner and user of Macbook Pro, iPod, and two custom build Win 7 PCs and one HTPC.

Euphoria said,

I am not making excuses for anyone. I am merely stating the obvious. Some people wnat to ignore the facts and wage a fanboy war, which I find it quite pointless but funny
I love both MS and Apple products and I can proudly state that I am a happy owner and user of Macbook Pro, iPod, and two custom build Win 7 PCs and one HTPC.

Oh I sure hope you are not saying I am starting a fanboy war, because I sure as heck am not a windows or apple fanboy..... I am just saying to me there are people on both sides that say the same thing about the other side.... and to me the iPod touch is the iPad just larger and with some more features.... that's just my opinion

Euphoria said,

...

It sounds like you're saying iPad pre-orders can't be compared to any other pre-order stats because the iPad is a different kind of product from anything else with a different market from anything else, and therefore there's no possible way to say whether or not it's a failure, or by extension a success.

If anything, by being the first in its class, it has no precedent to compare to, so the best way to determine its success is to take its numbers and divide by its nonexistent competitors' numbers (zero), thus creating a black hole and killing us all.

Euphoria said,
I love when MS Fanboys start making up excuses for Apple's successful launch. It's a real fun to see what excuses they can come up with just to put down the product

I love how Mac zealots like to take speculation and talk about it like its fact. The FACT is, this is SPECULATION as stated in the original article. I dont care how the sales are doing, but I will not read someone guess no matter how credible they are. And I also like how they are comparing the NEXUS ONE to the iPad...stupid....

Show me fact and not speculation and I will tend to agree with the results.

Edited by techbeck, Mar 15 2010, 9:31pm :

Euphoria said,

Again, you are comparing a Tablet with a Smartphone. Two separate products... two separate user groups. Using your analogy you might as well compare the Nexus one sales of 50,000 for the whole week and 150,000 iPads for 72 hours.... Doesnt look that good, does it?

Look at the article again, you must be a fanboy since you missed the part where the article compared Nexus One sales to the iPad.

Euphoria said,

Well I am starting from my self. I pre-ordered Win 7 because I had Win XP on one of my PCs and Vista on the other one. So I can say that most of the people that did the pre-orders were upgrading their older systems.

So, since you pre-ordered your Win7, everyone else who preordered 7 must be doing upgrades on their old systems? You make that assumption off that? Umm, yea...ok then.

techbeck said,

So, since you pre-ordered your Win7, everyone else who preordered 7 must be doing upgrades on their old systems? You make that assumption off that? Umm, yea...ok then.


And why would you pre order Win 7 if you already dont own a PC with an older os? Will you be using the disk as a Frisbee or maybe you got it for a decorative purposes?
Anyway power to you, and good luck in the fanboy war. Cheers!

How weird, even when the graphics is trend to a flat line (no sale) then still it is hard to determine where is midnight (sales trend to zero).

How does this compare to the original iPhone pre-orders? I'm more interested to see what the sells look like once more people have the device in their hands and are writing reviews online.

Shadrack said,
How does this compare to the original iPhone pre-orders? I'm more interested to see what the sells look like once more people have the device in their hands and are writing reviews online.

Are you seriously going to compare the iPad to the iPhone? You do realize you are locked down to AT&T to use the iPhone will the iPad can be used without a data plan and basically is not a phone.

At least the story is true. The headline is a flat out lie. Nobody outside of Apple knows the iPad sales numbers. To state the numbers as fact in the headline is Neowin intentionally misleading your readers. That's one less reason to read your site or to trust what I see here.

Bruce McL said,
At least the story is true. The headline is a flat out lie. Nobody outside of Apple knows the iPad sales numbers. To state the numbers as fact in the headline is Neowin intentionally misleading your readers. That's one less reason to read your site or to trust what I see here.

Other news sources are reporting "estimated to be over 150,000". But I kinda agree with you, the title should at least have estimated in it.

Bruce McL said,
At least the story is true. The headline is a flat out lie. Nobody outside of Apple knows the iPad sales numbers. To state the numbers as fact in the headline is Neowin intentionally misleading your readers. That's one less reason to read your site or to trust what I see here.

It is "speculated" that there are 150k ipads sold as said in the article. I dont read or take speculation. Show me fact, not fiction. So I am questioning the story as well until I see real proof, not someone guessing and not having all the facts.

What is more interesting in that graph is actually the saturation. If that graph is indication of anything, that is, it shows the momentum decreased a lot in 72 hours.

zagor said,
What is more interesting in that graph is actually the saturation. If that graph is indication of anything, that is, it shows the momentum decreased a lot in 72 hours.
By the looks of it they're still selling 15-20,000 per 10 hours, and they are pre-orders. You'd expect the pre orders especially to trail off.

Simon said,
By the looks of it they're still selling 15-20,000 per 10 hours, and they are pre-orders. You'd expect the pre orders especially to trail off.

What is important is the trend. And, I don't think 70 hours is enough to form any conclusions. There is one very important factor, it has been heavily marketed and advertised for the past two months. Considering the heavy advertisement, I think Apple will find this trend (tentative) a bit troubling.

zagor said,

What is important is the trend. And, I don't think 70 hours is enough to form any conclusions. There is one very important factor, it has been heavily marketed and advertised for the past two months. Considering the heavy advertisement, I think Apple will find this trend (tentative) a bit troubling.
I haven't really noticed a lot of advertising, with the exception of their website and one ad at the academy awards.

zagor said,
What is more interesting in that graph is actually the saturation. If that graph is indication of anything, that is, it shows the momentum decreased a lot in 72 hours.

Of course the momentum on pre-orders is going to drop. No product will have a momentum of pre-orders that never drops in the end.

What you're watching are two things: first the demography who're refreshing the Apple Store and trying to be first, then the more typical pre-order customers who form the more typical curve with a less steep slope.

Edited by Northgrove, Mar 15 2010, 7:59pm :

Northgrove said,

Of course the momentum on pre-orders is going to drop. No product will have a momentum of pre-orders that never drops in the end.

What you're watching are two things: first the demography who're refreshing the Apple Store and trying to be first, then the more typical pre-order customers who form the more typical curve with a less steep slope.


I have not drawn any conclusions. What I am saying is very simple. First of all, I am saying that this data is not enough to draw any conclusions. And the data is not accurate, it is just a prediction based on a lot of assumptions. Second, to make a fair comparison, you will need to compare it to similar product launches. You will need to compare how momentum drops over time and reaches a steady state value. Simply put, this data is not telling much. there is nothing to be very excited about and probably nothing to be worried about from this data alone.

Edited by zagor, Mar 15 2010, 7:58pm :

Simon said,
I haven't really noticed a lot of advertising, with the exception of their website and one ad at the academy awards.

he probably means all the hype leading up to it from the internet and mainstream media. You'd have to live under a rock to have never heard about the product at some point.

macrosslover said,

he probably means all the hype leading up to it from the internet and mainstream media. You'd have to live under a rock to have never heard about the product at some point.


Ipad had a spot at grammy's with colbert. it was advertised at oscar's. these are two of the most watched tv events. these are the two high profile ads that comes to mind...and, of course, all the news in the tech circles, WSJ, NYT...well, what else do you need for ads?

satus said,
many of them will go on ebay for making big buck
What's fueling the ebay market is the lack of availability outside the US

Impressive numbers regardless, for a product and a market that is yet to be proven. Looks like there might be a market for these after all.

Simon said,
Impressive numbers regardless, for a product and a market that is yet to be proven. Looks like there might be a market for these after all.
Pretty impressive considering people didn't really buy anything yet but just a pre-order lots of people are probably waiting until they can actually buy it instead of just a pre-order

Simon said,
Impressive numbers regardless, for a product and a market that is yet to be proven. Looks like there might be a market for these after all.

What Apple product has not been a market at all?
All of their products have shined at least once for some time.

This looks as iPods, they get a newer version of an older iPod and it sells. How? They just know how to get to people's heart by ripping them off.

Simon said,
Impressive numbers regardless, for a product and a market that is yet to be proven. Looks like there might be a market for these after all.

That or the fact that the people who bought one are Apple cult followers who will buy anything with an Apple logo on it. I don't like buying products from a company that is viewed as a cult with a fearless leader. I am sorry but Apple sells its products based on the WOW-factor which sparks impulsive buying in everyone and when they realize they have made a bad investment they continue to praise the product just so that they don't feel as guilty about the waste of money Trust me, I've been there myself.......

I dunno if that's good or not. In contrast didn't the Motorola Droid sell something like 200,000 in the first day? There's always an initial pop in sales of something new in that first day or week. The thing to look at is where it's at after 2-3 weeks from now.