iPhone 4 hardware revision coming at the end of September

A Mexican carrier executive of Telcel announced last week that the iPhone 4 will go on sale on Friday August 27, but he also spoke about a hardware revision will be coming at the end of September, without reception issues, according to Canal-Mix.com via Macrumors.com

The carrier executive explained that Apple will be shipping a hardware revision for the iPhone 4 at the end of September, the same time the company plans to stop giving out free cases. Telcel said in the press release [Translated] that the updated iPhone 4 hardware will be available on September 30, 2010.

Apple originally announced on July 16 that they will be giving customers a free case of their choice, or a refund, to fix the antenna issue with the device. The free case program will run between July 23, 2010 - September 30, 2010, for all customers with an iPhone 4.

It's not uncommon for a manufacturer to release a hardware refresh on a faulty product partway through its lifecycle, like when Apple released an updated bootrom for the iPhone 3GS in mid-September 2009, just months after it was originally released. The updated bootrom made it harder for hackers to jailbreak and unlock the phone.

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heh wishful thinking I think from source in article probably. Makes me glad hearing about this nonsense I just bought a HTC Desire.

I have an iPhone 4 and have not seen a dropped call. I have however noticed that the phone likes to drop out of 3G at my home where the signal for 3G is very borderline when I handle the phone. I can confirm though that a case resolves this issue.
For what its worth this is one of the reasons I am looking at buying a HTC Desire when I leave and hand my iPhone 4 back to my work place. The iPhone is one amazing phone but the extra cost and the fact I can't touch my naked phone without it loosing 3G made me look elsewhere. I will for sure though miss all the great apps the App Store has.

What I'm confused at, is if I buy the phone say mid October, am I likely to still have 'existing' stock of the iphone 4?

I know it's basically hard to get hold of the iphone 4 because it sells out, so I wonder if apple has produced less knowing they'll be shipping an 'improved' one later on? hmm

If there is a revision, most likely it'll just be a non-conductive coating for the antenna to fix the issue. Eventually those parts will become available as replacement parts and since the iPhone 4 is easier to open than the 3G/3GS, replacing the antenna should not be a huge deal.

It seems like the antenna issue is much more severe in the US than here. It seems to be very location dependent. I tried the "death grip" at home and in my bedroom nothing seemed to happen. In my living room (which has poor reception with any phone) bars dropped to 1 but the call didn't cut out. At work it dropped to 4/5. With a cheap bumper clone off eBay, no problems.

Even when fixed I must say that the iPhone 4 does need a case. With the 3G I never had a case and despite dropping it several times there wasn't all that much damage (just small cracks near the mute switch and headphone jack plus scratches in the back). The iPhone 4 on the other hand feels fragile. It's the best looking phone on the market but doesn't seem anywhere near as shock-resistant as the older models. With the glass front and back I imagine that it wouldn't do well when dropped. A bumper or similar case helps lift the front and back off the surfaces it rests on (so dirt etc can't scratch it especially on glass tables) and makes the phone easier to hold. The drawback is that you lose part of the great looks.

ATTENTION to all those that say they have no antenna issue.

Each one of us has a certain skin type. Types of skin can vary from thick, thin, dry, etc. If you are the type that has thick dry skin on your hands, you will have no issue with the iphone. If you have thin skin that has no dryness at all, then you will have reception problems.

rippleman said,
ATTENTION to all those that say they have no antenna issue.

Each one of us has a certain skin type. Types of skin can vary from thick, thin, dry, etc. If you are the type that has thick dry skin on your hands, you will have no issue with the iphone. If you have thin skin that has no dryness at all, then you will have reception problems.

oh the LOL in this, it's true but LOL.

I've had 0 issues with my phone reception and I'm on a very average network provider. I'm very think skinned :-P

People don't understand the whole manufacturing process. I have worked for a number of electronics companies.

They can and many times do release new revisions of products and quietly slip them into the supply stream. They don't have to tell anyone that there is a new revision.

rajputwarrior said,

this article should be tagged as a rumour.

+1 .... but it kind off makes sense, since they will discontinue the free cases offer by the end of September...

Euphoria said,

+1 .... but it kind off makes sense, since they will discontinue the free cases offer by the end of September...

Makes more sense that they are pushing out a redesign because of the phone going to Verizon and on a diff network. Apple is not really known to produce multiple hardware platforms at the same time. They have one main design and when they is released, the discontinue the rest.

techbeck said,

Makes more sense that they are pushing out a redesign because of the phone going to Verizon and on a diff network. Apple is not really known to produce multiple hardware platforms at the same time. They have one main design and when they is released, the discontinue the rest.

No that is irrelevant... if there is a hardware issue they will fix it. Only a moron will keep the same hardware error throughout its product life cycle.

Euphoria said,

No that is irrelevant... if there is a hardware issue they will fix it. Only a moron will keep the same hardware error throughout its product life cycle.

Geesh, I make a valid comment...you push it aside and then call people/companies a moron. I see where the problem is...

Apple will fix it...but hey will never admit full fault for the product. It is still the users fault and an issue that every phone has...according to Apple that is. You keep drinking the Apple juice and bending over to take what they give you. That is your right but I tend to choose someone that give me more for the money.

If all you are going to do is bash every post that I make...then I have a new buddy for my ignore list...hell, infact...you will be the only one on it.

techbeck said,

Apple will fix it...but hey will never admit full fault for the product. It is still the users fault and an issue that every phone has...according to Apple that is. You keep drinking the Apple juice and bending over to take what they give you. That is your right but I tend to choose someone that give me more for the money.

Give me an official statement where apple says that its the users fault for the antenna issue.
I usually dont like to argue about stupid things like this, but I am starting to get irritated. Every time there is an apple news you start posting some remarks that are just plain ignorant, repetitive and old. We already read your post once, month and a half ago. Do you really have to post your Apple trashing comment in every news article on Neowin?

techbeck said,

Makes more sense that they are pushing out a redesign because of the phone going to Verizon and on a diff network.

And release a 64 GB version. I missed that

Euphoria said,

No that is irrelevant... if there is a hardware issue they will fix it. Only a moron will keep the same hardware error throughout its product life cycle.

Lol don't count on it, apple are professionals at making you wait 12 months or a life cycle before a repair comes in the form of a new product then leaving you shafted.

Euphoria said,

Give me an official statement where apple says that its the users fault for the antenna issue.
I usually dont like to argue about stupid things like this, but I am starting to get irritated. Every time there is an apple news you start posting some remarks that are just plain ignorant, repetitive and old. We already read your post once, month and a half ago. Do you really have to post your Apple trashing comment in every news article on Neowin?

Jobs himself released a comment saying users were holding the phone wrong...thus putting the blame on the user. Have you been locked in the cage this past year?

And you take every chance you get to bash me in Apple posts and no where else and no one else. Get over yourself dude. dont like my comment, dont post. You are the only one here making and issue so move on.

Still waiting on my PM...coward

This was just a rumour... it's too soon to suppose they actually WILL make a hardware revision.

The title sounds as if it was confirmed... and this is not the case yet.

Caleb said,
Wait, I thought that the iPhone 4 had no hardware problems whatsoever.

Steve, did you lie to me?

No... you either lack the ability to read correctly or you choose to listen selectively.

Caleb said,
Wait, I thought that the iPhone 4 had no hardware problems whatsoever.

Steve, did you lie to me?

Yes, he lied to you. Its either your holding it wrong, or that all phones have the issue. Apple never admitted fault and just placed blame elsewhere.

techbeck said,

Yes, he lied to you. Its either your holding it wrong, or that all phones have the issue. Apple never admitted fault and just placed blame elsewhere.

As does the Andorid fanboy say... It has to be true...

Euphoria said,

As does the Andorid fanboy say... It has to be true...

Learn what a fanboy is instead of spewing out crap. A fanboy is someone who cannot say ANYTHING bad about a company or product. I have infact said many things I dont like about android. Hell, I have even said some positive things about Apple.

So please, troll someplace else or at least know what a word means before you start calling people that.

Euphoria said,

When hell freezes

If you want to discuss anything further, PM me. If you dont believe anything I say, I could really care less. If you can go back and prove anything, please do so but something tells me you wont because you cannot and I am betting you wont PM me either. You are the only one here that has a problem with what I say and started calling me a fanboy so kudos to you for that.

Tell Jobs I say hey when you are rocking him to sleep tonight....

PS, I own an Apple product so I must be able to say something good about Apple...so yea, hell musta frozen over.

techbeck said,

If you want to discuss anything further, PM me. If you dont believe anything I say, I could really care less. If you can go back and prove anything, please do so but something tells me you wont because you cannot and I am betting you wont PM me either. You are the only one here that has a problem with what I say and started calling me a fanboy so kudos to you for that.

Tell Jobs I say hey when you are rocking him to sleep tonight....

PS, I own an Apple product so I must be able to say something good about Apple...so yea, hell musta frozen over.

No. No. No! That's just wrong.
http://www.neowin.net/forum/to...056-couldcouldnt-care-less/

Well, I figured this would happen, BUT if a hardware revision is released to fix this issue, shouldn't they replace the faulty units? Seems kind of anti-customer...

M_Lyons10 said,
Well, I figured this would happen, BUT if a hardware revision is released to fix this issue, shouldn't they replace the faulty units? Seems kind of anti-customer...

You are right. I have the same question. Are they gonna replace the faulty units? even after customers buying the cases from them? If no, whomsoever baught the cases are fooled by Apple. If yes, do we know when will the place the defected units?

It has been one and a half month that I bought iphone4 from bestbuy. Will I be able to return it if I want to?

callmewishmaster said,

You are right. I have the same question. Are they gonna replace the faulty units? even after customers buying the cases from them? If no, whomsoever baught the cases are fooled by Apple. If yes, do we know when will the place the defected units?

It has been one and a half month that I bought iphone4 from bestbuy. Will I be able to return it if I want to?

Yea, if anyone thinks Apple is going to replace the first gen iPhone 4s, then think again. Unless Apple is profiting from it, the only way to get a replacement is to pay for it. No freebies....

techbeck said,

Yea, if anyone thinks Apple is going to replace the first gen iPhone 4s, then think again. Unless Apple is profiting from it, the only way to get a replacement is to pay for it. No freebies....

Hmm. Ok. Now what if I go to an apple store complaining that the phone is overheating or something else and ask them for replacement? I know I am asking too much, but still I can as I paid for it. correct me if I am wrong?

callmewishmaster said,

Hmm. Ok. Now what if I go to an apple store complaining that the phone is overheating or something else and ask them for replacement? I know I am asking too much, but still I can as I paid for it. correct me if I am wrong?

Cell companies test phones these days. If it is working fine, they will charge you for the replacement. Also, chances are you will not get a new phone model, rather a refurbed same model phone.

I used to open cell phones and make their be a problem with a phone if i wanted it replaced. CAnnot do this with the iPhone since its hard to open and its all enclosed.

techbeck said,

Cell companies test phones these days. If it is working fine, they will charge you for the replacement. Also, chances are you will not get a new phone model, rather a refurbed same model phone.

I used to open cell phones and make their be a problem with a phone if i wanted it replaced. CAnnot do this with the iPhone since its hard to open and its all enclosed.

Right!! then I will not do anything but bare with crappy thing that I have. Thank you for this discussion. May be next time I will think about ANY apple product before I buy. I got screwed big time. Once with Hp laptop overheating and then with this iphone4. I hate it.

callmewishmaster said,

Right!! then I will not do anything but bare with crappy thing that I have. Thank you for this discussion. May be next time I will think about ANY apple product before I buy. I got screwed big time. Once with Hp laptop overheating and then with this iphone4. I hate it.

Not just Apple products. Dont buy anything right away and let all the "got to have its" try it first

techbeck said,

Not just Apple products. Dont buy anything right away and let all the "got to have its" try it first

Yes. Wait and watch policy works, I can tell that now. Thanks

Gotta love all the Apple bashing... I bet most of the ones complaining never used one. I too was worried about reception issues. My iPhone 4 DOES NOT have a problem with that. It is absolutely fine. Signal attenuation is there, but this is just way overblown. This is just a PR disaster for Apple. Ironically though, after 3 MONTHS, it's still hard to find an iPhone in stores, they are selling as fast as they can make them.

Pharos said,
Gotta love all the Apple bashing... I bet most of the ones complaining never used one. I too was worried about reception issues. My iPhone 4 DOES NOT have a problem with that. It is absolutely fine. Signal attenuation is there, but this is just way overblown. This is just a PR disaster for Apple. Ironically though, after 3 MONTHS, it's still hard to find an iPhone in stores, they are selling as fast as they can make them.

Because Apple fans are a breed unto their own. Apple could create the worse product ever, and Apple fans will still buy it. I have a few die hard Apple fans as friends and they have an excuse for everything they screw up on.

And again, not EVERYONE was having the issue with the iPhone 4. Enough people were having a problem to make it a big issue tho so thats all that matters.

Pharos said,
Gotta love all the Apple bashing... I bet most of the ones complaining never used one. I too was worried about reception issues. My iPhone 4 DOES NOT have a problem with that. It is absolutely fine. Signal attenuation is there, but this is just way overblown. This is just a PR disaster for Apple. Ironically though, after 3 MONTHS, it's still hard to find an iPhone in stores, they are selling as fast as they can make them.

Well, like OMYGOSH. It's not happenign to you, therefore it must be a lie. Thousands of people are idiots and don't know how to read signal bars, and Apple is also equally stupid for even talking about it since it doesn't happen.

All because you say it doesn't happen to you. Sad.

And no **** they're selling fast, they have the Apple logo on them and they have the fanbase of iPhone users to back it up.

LiquidSolstice said,

Well, like OMYGOSH. It's not happenign to you, therefore it must be a lie. Thousands of people are idiots and don't know how to read signal bars, and Apple is also equally stupid for even talking about it since it doesn't happen.

All because you say it doesn't happen to you. Sad.

And no **** they're selling fast, they have the Apple logo on them and they have the fanbase of iPhone users to back it up.

Really, if that many people buying iPhones were just the Apple fan base, there'd be a lot more Macs getting sold too.

techbeck said,

Because Apple fans are a breed unto their own. Apple could create the worse product ever, and Apple fans will still buy it. I have a few die hard Apple fans as friends and they have an excuse for everything they screw up on.


Yes and just look at the Android or Microsoft fanboys.... quite the difference indeed....

It's a stupid conversation to begin with.... arguing which fanboys are worse... it is pathetic indeed

Euphoria said,

Yes and just look at the Android or Microsoft fanboys.... quite the difference indeed....

It's a stupid conversation to begin with.... arguing which fanboys are worse... it is pathetic indeed

I wasnt comparing, you did. But since you did...Apple fans DO NOT compare to Android fans. I like Android, but if they screw up as bad as Apple...I will ditch them like a bad habit.

techbeck said,

I wasnt comparing, you did. But since you did...Apple fans DO NOT compare to Android fans. I like Android, but if they screw up as bad as Apple...I will ditch them like a bad habit.


You sure will.. keep saying that to yourself... in the meantime go onto every single Apple post and troll about how Apple sucks.. that might make you feel much better

Euphoria said,

You sure will.. keep saying that to yourself... in the meantime go onto every single Apple post and troll about how Apple sucks.. that might make you feel much better

There are many posts about Apple I dont post in and dont even bother to respond to. So yea, nice try and trying to get me again.

Really dude...a troll is not a good thing to be.

techbeck said,

There are many posts about Apple I dont post in and dont even bother to respond to. So yea, nice try and trying to get me again.

Really dude...a troll is not a good thing to be.

Look at just your post history and everyone can see what kind of android troll you are.

techbeck said,

I wasnt comparing, you did. But since you did...Apple fans DO NOT compare to Android fans. I like Android, but if they screw up as bad as Apple...I will ditch them like a bad habit.

No, you were comparing by saying "breed all their own". Breed all their own compared to what? Stop trolling.

Shadrack said,

No, you were comparing by saying "breed all their own". Breed all their own compared to what? Stop trolling.

Apple fans will support Apple no matter what is what I mean about a breed to their own. It wasnt a troll comment.

sensitive much?

Is it likely they will take the current iPhone 4s out of circulation as and when they come in for warranty repair? I really find the antenna problem a pain, and the 'free case' is taking ages to arrive.

Makes sense to redesign the phone for the Verizon rollout since all the other issues the iPhone 4 has been having. You still wont see Apple admitting a fault tho. Which is the main issue as Apple will do it again since they got away with it.


It's not uncommon for a manufacturer to release a hardware refresh on a faulty product partway through its lifecycle, like when Apple released an updated bootrom for the iPhone 3GS in mid-September 2009, just months after it was originally released. The updated bootrom made it harder for hackers to jailbreak and unlock the phone.

Boot rom...software...is easier and cheaper to fix. This is the ONLY reason they released an updated rom.

The only funny thing here is the desperate attitude of the haters, longing for a "rumour" so they can type "lol" over and over to emphasise how funny they find the "rumour" and then follow with the obligatory "mock the Apple's customers" comment. So childish. I'm sure there is a 360 vs PS3 thread somewhere just begging for your professional style of commenting.

ironmysox said,
The only funny thing here is the desperate attitude of the haters, longing for a "rumour" so they can type "lol" over and over to emphasise how funny they find the "rumour" and then follow with the obligatory "mock the Apple's customers" comment. So childish. I'm sure there is a 360 vs PS3 thread somewhere just begging for your professional style of commenting.

damn trolls are everywhere....

Euphoria said,

Yes.. look in the mirror

Yes, because I am way off topic and am just bashing Apple. I am providing points to my arguments and not say "apple sucks dont buy it"

techbeck said,

Yes, because I am way off topic and am just bashing Apple. I am providing points to my arguments and not say "apple sucks dont buy it"

Your points are meaningless scribbles of a 10 year old frustrated fanboy.

Euphoria said,
Your points are meaningless scribbles of a 10 year old frustrated fanboy.
No they aren't, and that's not helping.

lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol. I wonder if these new ones have the correct algorithm. Hahahahahahahaha. Oh man. I'm tired. I love **** like this. I love when Apple points and laughs at all its lemmings..er customers.

FuzzyReets said,
lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol. I wonder if these new ones have the correct algorithm. Hahahahahahahaha. Oh man. I'm tired. I love **** like this. I love when Apple points and laughs at all its lemmings..er customers.

Hahaha, yeah look at the Galaxy S has the same problem and none cares... ahahaha

and what was your point again?

Euphoria said,

Hahaha, yeah look at the Galaxy S has the same problem and none cares... ahahaha

and what was your point again?

Because its NOT the same issue...read a little...iPhone 4 issue effected a LARGE number of users. G-S is not as widespread and really not that big of an issue. Google Samsung Galaxy S antenna problems and you dont get many hits. You also dont see Samsung bashing the competition and pretty much telling everyone that anything else is inferior and will not work as well. Apple screwed themselves when they kept raving about their products and then the iPhone 4 couldnt perform.

I also wouldnt be considering the Vibrant as it is pretty much the same phone if it had the same issues as the iPhone 4.

techbeck said,

Because its NOT the same issue...read a little...iPhone 4 issue effected a LARGE number of users. G-S is not as widespread and really not that big of an issue. Google Samsung Galaxy S antenna problems and you dont get many hits. You also dont see Samsung bashing the competition and pretty much telling everyone that anything else is inferior and will not work as well. Apple screwed themselves when they kept raving about their products and then the iPhone 4 couldnt perform.

I also wouldnt be considering the Vibrant as it is pretty much the same phone if it had the same issues as the iPhone 4.

Google about how many iPhone 4 users are having this issue especially in Europe, and you'll get your answer.
Galaxy S suppose to be Samsung's best Android phone and has way more sensitive antenna signal deterioration than iPhone 4 as you can see form some of the youtube videos and reviews, yet none seems to care....
Apple said there is an issue with the antena and they offered an alternative solution (free case) or return the phone.
They apparently intended to resolve the issue.... and so they have, from what we hear.. now what's the problem?

Euphoria said,

Google about how many iPhone 4 users are having this issue especially in Europe, and you'll get your answer.
Galaxy S suppose to be Samsung's best Android phone and has way more sensitive antenna signal deterioration than iPhone 4 as you can see form some of the youtube videos and reviews, yet none seems to care....
Apple said there is an issue with the antena and they offered an alternative solution (free case) or return the phone.
They apparently intended to resolve the issue.... and so they have, from what we hear.. now what's the problem?

Apple really has not admitted anything. They placed blame on the customer and when that didnt work out the way they planned, they came out with a bull **** response that all phones suffer from the same issue as the iPhone 4. And yes, they are redesigning hte iPhone probably...but that does jack to the people who were dupped in to buying the first get iPhone 4.

And sorry, I dont compare issues with one country...rather all countries that use the products.

Euphoria said,

Google about how many iPhone 4 users are having this issue especially in Europe, and you'll get your answer.
Galaxy S suppose to be Samsung's best Android phone and has way more sensitive antenna signal deterioration than iPhone 4 as you can see form some of the youtube videos and reviews, yet none seems to care....
Apple said there is an issue with the antena and they offered an alternative solution (free case) or return the phone.
They apparently intended to resolve the issue.... and so they have, from what we hear.. now what's the problem?

I completely agree. The more I think about it the less likely I think Apple would release a revision. AntennaGate was completely blown out of proportion, to the point that the non tech-savvy people heard snippets of the already-wrong news, and went about going "lol if you hold the iPhone wrong it breaks/stops the call/turns off" (I've heard all three). It's a real shame, and it's only because the masses are only ever willing to knock Apple off their pedestal. No other company has this, because no other company has such a small product range.

No one has complained since...it just seems to be anti apple people that hold grudges.

John. said,

to the point that the non tech-savvy people heard snippets of the already-wrong news, and went about going "lol if you hold the iPhone wrong it breaks/stops the call/turns off" (I've heard all three).

So all the test that companies have done are non tech savy people? Way to paint with a broad brush.


It's a real shame, and it's only because the masses are only ever willing to knock Apple off their pedestal. No other company has this, because no other company has such a small product range.
No one has complained since...it just seems to be anti apple people that hold grudges.

If Apple didnt bash the competition left and right and claim that whatever they touch turns to gold, then this wouldnt be an issue. instead, apple has an air of superiority around them and they think they can do no wrong. And as long as Apple fans keep buying their excuses and taking their crap, they will continue to do this.

techbeck said,

So all the test that companies have done are non tech savy people? Way to paint with a broad brush.

If Apple didnt bash the competition left and right and claim that whatever they touch turns to gold, then this wouldnt be an issue. instead, apple has an air of superiority around them and they think they can do no wrong. And as long as Apple fans keep buying their excuses and taking their crap, they will continue to do this.

By non tech-savvy people, I mean exactly that. I don't mean the companies/tech news sites that you or I read, I mean for the general public. The ones who will only get the news out of the paper, or local news which by that time has been massively generalized and dumbed down to the point where the headline just reads (Apple iPhone call issue) and people assume it's a broken phone. I've had people genuinely surprised when I phone them face-to-face and they pick up, realising I'm talking to them on a supposed device that can't make calls. That's all I was saying and that's all I meant.

To your other comment, I freely admit there are both sides of the argument. Your opinion is yours and I value it as much as I do mine. I don't fall either side of the line. I buy Apple products, I use them because they do the job I'm looking to do, my productivity is increased massively through multitouch etc, and I've had fantastic customer service from them. If they were to ever release a device that I knew was broken, or just plain ****, I wouldn't buy it.

techbeck said,

If Apple didnt bash the competition left and right and claim that whatever they touch turns to gold, then this wouldnt be an issue. instead, apple has an air of superiority around them and they think they can do no wrong. And as long as Apple fans keep buying their excuses and taking their crap, they will continue to do this.

Yes all phones suffer more or less from signal deterioration. I have a BlackBerry and when I grip it the signal deteriorates by one or two bars.
They acknowledged that the placement of their antennas increases this effect,a nd they said that whoever is affected by this they can choose to get a free case or return the phone...
I do not see Samsung offering this options ... what else would you have wanted for Apple to do? It's funny that you are the one complaining the most when you dont even own an iPhone.
Two of my friends have one and they wouldn't change it for anything.

Euphoria said,

Yes all phones suffer more or less from signal deterioration. I have a BlackBerry and when I grip it the signal deteriorates by one or two bars.
They acknowledged that the placement of their antennas increases this effect,a nd they said that whoever is affected by this they can choose to get a free case or return the phone...
I do not see Samsung offering this options ... what else would you have wanted for Apple to do? It's funny that you are the one complaining the most when you dont even own an iPhone.
Two of my friends have one and they wouldn't change it for anything.

Samsung is not having the same issue. Next...

And I can complain all I want. I support family and friends that use the products as well as people at work. So I get hands on usage and know the problems from experience.

And I would say about a dozen people I know so far have switched away from the iPhone...so whatever dude.

techbeck said,

And I can complain all I want.

In order to complain you need to have a personal experience with the device... Otherwise you are nothing but a big fat troll

Euphoria said,

In order to complain you need to have a personal experience with the device... Otherwise you are nothing but a big fat troll

I do have personal experience with Mac products. I have to support and use them every day. Read next time....it may help you as I stated previously that I have experience...geesh.

I can't see this happening. You can't go saying that there is no problem with the iphone 4, and then release a revision that fixes such a problem. Any sort of acknowledgement from apple only means trouble.

etempest said,
Apple Norm
I feel sorry for 1st adopters for any apple products.
Aka Rev 0 on any NEW design.

I dunno, this is a later generation phone. I mean it is a 'new' design but aren't all of their designs? You'd think that they'd go forward with every one. Learning from the old.

ObiWanToby said,

I dunno, this is a later generation phone. I mean it is a 'new' design but aren't all of their designs? You'd think that they'd go forward with every one. Learning from the old.

Learning from the old means what caused the issue existed before this. This was a whole new design on the antenna and to my knowledge nobody else did it that way previously(may be wrong on that though). apple has been pretty good about fixing issues from previous versions though and if they keep to the antenna design, they will fix the issue somehow.

The title is a bit misleading, this is hardly fact. Shouldn't there be a question mark?

Also I can't see this happening either. We haven't heard anything noteworthy from antenna gate since the free case program so all is forgotten - and Apple are happy. If there's an iPhone announcement it will be the white iPhone.

Edgar J said,
You said that because he is only a Mexican?
It doesn't matter that he's mexican, although it doesn't help Any carrier exec is equally unreliable.

episode said,
I said that because he doesn't work for Apple.
That's not what you said, though. There was no need for the word "Mexican" in your post.

Hell, I don't get why a carrier exec wouldn't have inside info anyway. It's exactly his business to know!

Kirkburn said,
That's not what you said, though. There was no need for the word "Mexican" in your post.

Hell, I don't get why a carrier exec wouldn't have inside info anyway. It's exactly his business to know!

I posted the first four words of the article.

Why wouldn't he know? Because Apple doesn't tell anyone jack sh*t.

episode said,
A Mexican carrier executive

So, someone without a clue.

Just to defend Episode, in case someone wants to make a fuss about it. I live in Mexico and Telcel is a POS. I wouldn't trust a single word from them neither from a "high executive" that ain't Apple

Wait... they are fixing the problem that does not exist? That's weird! But then again - such is the nature of Apple's Reality Distortion FieldTM!

BigBoy said,
Wait... they are fixing the problem that does not exist? That's weird! But then again - such is the nature of Apple's Reality Distortion FieldTM!

Can you tell me where Apple states that they're fixing the antenna?

BigBoy said,
Wait... they are fixing the problem that does not exist? That's weird! But then again - such is the nature of Apple's Reality Distortion FieldTM!

they never said it doesn't exist
they said the problem wasn't exclusive to the iPhone 4 and it was an issue with all smartphones

Obi Wong said,

they never said it doesn't exist
they said the problem wasn't exclusive to the iPhone 4 and it was an issue with all smartphones

Yes, they did. At first.

"You're holding it wrong"

Frylock86 said,

Yes, they did. At first.

"You're holding it wrong"

I believe by Apple merely mentioning it means they acknowledged the problem and had a solution to the users. At the time, it was to hold it differently, or use a case. Still is. It doesn't mean that Apple didn't know about the problem, as shown by the months of testing they did publicized in the keynote.

Do you truly believe that they didn't know? Or were ignoring? No, they were trying to find a fix for it. Unfortunately there isn't one. I've gone one, and I've dealt with it. Yes the bars go down, yes there might be signal attenuation, but not enough to affect ANY call I've ever had.

I'll freely admit there's a problem with the proximity sensor, but that's the only problem I have. I've had a lot more problems with my previous mobiles.

Anyway, if they do update it, then it'll be a real shame, but a plus because I chose a (cheaper, weirdly) 12 month contract than a 24 month one.

Frylock86 said,

Yes, they did. At first.

"You're holding it wrong"

Clearly reading comprehension isn't something you're good at. That simple quote acknowledges that there was and is an issue with holding it a certain way. Not that your quote is accurate anyway.

If that's true I wonder if selling my iPhone 4 on eBay will cover the termination fee and the purchase of a new 2 yr contract with The updated phone.

ccoltmanm said,
If that's true I wonder if selling my iPhone 4 on eBay will cover the termination fee and the purchase of a new 2 yr contract with The updated phone.

I wonder if when selling an original iphone if you have to declare that it is faulty? Imagine all the ebay buyers complaining and demanding refunds because they have bought a faulty product?

So that means no replacement for current iphone 4 users? That's outrageous. Though I'll keep the ears/eyes peeled - may yet be able to get an update.

badldragon said,
So that means no replacement for current iphone 4 users? That's outrageous. Though I'll keep the ears/eyes peeled - may yet be able to get an update.

anyone that was truly "worried" about the issue should have got a refund and waited as it was only a matter of time before something like this would happen. anyone stuck with the "broken" iphone4 can only blame themselves for not getting a refund when they had the chance.

ILikeTobacco said,

anyone that was truly "worried" about the issue should have got a refund and waited as it was only a matter of time before something like this would happen. anyone stuck with the "broken" iphone4 can only blame themselves for not getting a refund when they had the chance.

+∞

Tenner says, no one says anything about this. Everyone will just accept this, and let Apple rip them a new one...again.

Singh400 said,
Tenner says, no one says anything about this. Everyone will just accept this, and let Apple rip them a new one...again.
Just like every other problem Apple's had that the media jumped on top of?

In no way am I saying Apple's the victim, just that they don't get away with everything like they used to.

Feel sorry for the people who already purchased one.

Apple clearly does not give a sh*t about the customer. Dont get me wrong, I've been wanting to get an iPhone 4, but I guess I can just wait or get an android.

SmNet said,
Feel sorry for the people who already purchased one.

Apple clearly does not give a sh*t about the customer. Dont get me wrong, I've been wanting to get an iPhone 4, but I guess I can just wait or get an android.

Apple cares that is why they all got a free bumper worth $29.99 for free.

This is total BS. There is no way in hell Apple would bother releasing the product in these countries if they was going to redesign it 30 seconds later. Every single one of those phones would be returned and the consumer outrage would be immense.

Also, why the heck would the executive tell the public that the phones they are releasing next week will be out of date and obsolete within a month? It would be disastrous PR

DrCheese said,
This is total BS. There is no way in hell Apple would bother releasing the product in these countries if they was going to redesign it 30 seconds later. Every single one of those phones would be returned and the consumer outrage would be immense.

Also, why the heck would the executive tell the public that the phones they are releasing next week will be out of date and obsolete within a month? It would be disastrous PR

Yeah I know.. pretty crazy.... look it the number of android phones released in only three months span...

DrCheese said,
This is total BS. There is no way in hell Apple would bother releasing the product in these countries if they was going to redesign it 30 seconds later. Every single one of those phones would be returned and the consumer outrage would be immense.

Also, why the heck would the executive tell the public that the phones they are releasing next week will be out of date and obsolete within a month? It would be disastrous PR

Sold as advertised. Pretty much everyone who bought an iPhone knew there were some issues - but they bought it anyway - so you can't complain when the revise a fix, pretty much every iPhone 4 owner claim they dont have the problem anyway!

Deviate_X said,

Sold as advertised. Pretty much everyone who bought an iPhone knew there were some issues - but they bought it anyway - so you can't complain when the revise a fix, pretty much every iPhone 4 owner claim they dont have the problem anyway!

I can thanks. I pre-ordered it on the Apple website.

LiquidSolstice said,
You must be of the Flat Earth Society, you know, rejecting things when they are right in front of your very eyes.
While I can't deny they have a problem with it in the USA. I can't recreate the problem with mine in Canada. Europe is the same. Wouldn't be a bad idea to release a modified version for sale there, those of us (up north) or overseas are fine with the current model.

Xero said,
Europe is the same.

heh??
Got plenty of colleagues who also had that issue in Europe. Well, they don't anymore now, they switched to another phone

LiquidSolstice said,

You must be of the Flat Earth Society, you know, rejecting things when they are right in front of your very eyes.

Not really, I've had mine since launch and never had it cause me an actual problem. It's simply a minor flaw in what remains the best smartphone on the Market.

bobbba said,

Not really, I've had mine since launch and never had it cause me an actual problem. It's simply a minor flaw in what remains the best smartphone on the Market.

Yup me too.

shakey said,
just in time for people to not be able to trade their first ones in. kapow!

I know a lot of people that are going to be pi ssed at this

shakey said,
just in time for people to not be able to trade their first ones in. kapow!
Aaaahahahahahahaa! AAaaahahahahaahah! *evil face*

I don't know this but, all of you who got the free bumper, did you read the agreement to check whether you would not be able to exchange the iphone 4 with a new one if there was a hardware refresh in a few weeks? I would love to know if there was such a statement in it.

Edited by Jebadiah, Sep 1 2010, 5:43am :

Ently said,

I know a lot of people that are going to be pi ssed at this

How can they be ****ed? They had a month to use the phone and if there was a problem they could have returned it and gotten a full refund. Anyone who kept their iPhone 4 has no reason to be upset.

asdavis10 said,

How can they be ****ed? They had a month to use the phone and if there was a problem they could have returned it and gotten a full refund. Anyone who kept their iPhone 4 has no reason to be upset.

Not all carriers give refunds. I'm from Mexico and Telcel are sneaky SOB

Jebadiah said,
Aaaahahahahahahaa! AAaaahahahahaahah! *evil face*

I don't know this but, all of you who got the free bumper, did you read the agreement to check whether you would not be able to exchange the iphone 4 with a new one if there was a hardware refresh in a few weeks? I would love to know if there was such a statement in it.

I did, the English sections (US and UK from memory) did NOT contain any disclaimers that people would give up the right to a replacement if they took the free bumper.