iPhone 5S may include fingerprint sensor and NFC

Apple may build NFC and fingerprint technology into the iPhone 5S with a report suggesting that the company will use the fingerprint sensor to improve the security of NFC features such as payments.

China Times reports that a Taiwanese chipmaker called Chipbond has been selected by Apple to provide these components for the iPhone 5S. The website notes the new technology will come from a recent Apple aquisition, mobile security firm AuthenTec.

Rumours that Apple will use some sort of fingerprint technology have cropped up before, starting when Apple acquired AuthenTec in 2012. Microsoft partnered with AuthenTec way back in 2003 to integrate software support for biometrics in Windows desktop. They created a reference driver that they said would be an example for other biometric hardware makers to follow when designing their own software.

Foxconn has also reportedly started production on the iPhone 5S and are preparing to ramp up manufacturing, according to Macotakara, which has previously provided accurate details. Macotakara also reports that leading Japanese carrier NTT DoCoMo may finally begin selling the iPhone with the release of the 5S.

Source: China TimesMacotakara | Image via Apple

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I can see the headlines now.. 'Apple revolutionises NFC payments by offering fingerprint security'
They also will at least try and patent the combination as well.

@Hollywoods's Karo
NFC is far more secure than WEP ever was. That said there is the obvious potential of security breached although you'd have to virtually touch a device for this to become an issue.

paulheu said,

I can see the headlines now.. 'Apple revolutionises NFC payments by offering fingerprint security'
They also will at least try and patent the combination as well.

@Hollywoods's Karo
NFC is far more secure than WEP ever was. That said there is the obvious potential of security breached although you'd have to virtually touch a device for this to become an issue.

tell that to all the NFC debit and credit card holders and why they need RFID blocking wallets...

The only reason I don't want NFC in anything is because NFC exploits are certainly possible. I remember seeing something about a hackathon type of contest between an iPhone 4S, Samsung GSIII, and I forgot which Nokia Lumia but the Galaxy got hacked mainly through NFC while otherwise it was a strong platform like Microsoft's and Apple's.

**waiting for people to comment tinfoil hat comments.. Just rewind back in time with 802.11B/G and the WEP exploits**

techbeck said,
I knew the 5s would have NFC. Granted, this is a rumor...but still

as I said above, its not hard to predict apples milking strategy.

its their modus operandi, and then people like In the posts above get angry when we say most apple consumers are sheep who will buy anything.

For example the 5s will be identical except NFC for example, yet some 16 year old girl who dosent know what nfc is or ever use it will want the 5s.
if that is not sheep behaviour I don't know what is.

kayzee said,
But why does this anger you so much?

im not angry, just calling out the sheep, you lot are the angry ones.

having fun trolling the sheep

iphone users when iphone 5 came out: nobody uses or cares about NFC, NFC overrated
iphone users when ip5s is release : wow NFC amazing,best feature ever thanks AAPL

Astra.Xtreme said,
I personally hope they don't put in either NFC or a fingerprint scanner. And if they do, I still won't care or use them.

I hope they do! The only way NFC will be implemented everywhere is if the iPhone uses it. Without the iPhone it will be little more then a fad used in a select few locations. Let's just hope its not some propriety crap and fully/partially compatible with other devices.

Apple is the type that sits back and watches to see when the technology is ready, then jumps on it. NFC at launch? Great!! And where are we now...? Not very far exactly.

If they can make ties with retailers and get things moving, then we'll be in business. Sad thing is, it seems Samsung just recently got things going with NFC and Visa I think it was? But that supposedly would only be available to the Galaxy SIV which kinda defeats the whole point of having it on current devices to begin with...

(gonna dig on the sources for this)

ingramator said,

I hope they do! The only way NFC will be implemented everywhere is if the iPhone uses it. Without the iPhone it will be little more then a fad used in a select few locations. Let's just hope its not some propriety crap and fully/partially compatible with other devices.

Name a feature of the iphone you can share with other devices...oh that's right ...NONE...why do you think it will change all of a sudden. Hopeful much?

To be perfectly reasonable, NFC on Samsung phones only work with Samsung phones with an NFC card. So right now only 2 devices can share that feature...GS3 and GN2. Likely the GS4 will also work now. The coolest thing Iike about NFC is wireless charging. To bad Verzion didnt support the features...they are such @$$clowns

Wish all phones would use fingerprint readers...so much simpler and seems like it would allow for more secure commerce. Personally can't stand all the stupid patterns, passwords etc which don't really protect much anyway.

You mean like I cannot force you to give me your passwords. But I can just cut off your finger if I want to access to your device right ....

Hahaiah said,
Wish all phones would use fingerprint readers...so much simpler and seems like it would allow for more secure commerce. Personally can't stand all the stupid patterns, passwords etc which don't really protect much anyway.

MDboyz said,
You mean like I cannot force you to give me your passwords. But I can just cut off your finger if I want to access to your device right ....

I was going to suggest an Eye scanner, but after reading your comment..... umm..

Hahaiah said,
Wish all phones would use fingerprint readers...so much simpler and seems like it would allow for more secure commerce. Personally can't stand all the stupid patterns, passwords etc which don't really protect much anyway.
There are lots of upsides and equal downsides to fingerprint readers. Pluses offers one of the most secure methods of protecting data or property, but can easily be circumvented by well cutting off your finger. lol

Jokes aside....the readers dont always respond on first swipe whoch woould make it annoying if you look your device with it, or you are in a long line at XMAS with an angry crowd behind you that is ****ed you didnt just swipe your credit card. You hands can't be dry as ashy dry hands throw off the readers, at the same token they cant be greasy with fancy lotions and creams, you have to line up the finger just right.

On a laptop its pefect because you likely will be sitting down trying to swipe ur finger 5axed and not in a hurry and you can just take ur time. But I an see it now standing in line and the phone rings and you need to swipe the reader to answer and u panic because the phone is ringing really loud with a nasty ugly embarrassing ringtones like I hear many thuggish people use and you end up missing the call bec your hand have insecticide residue from all the fruit you handled in the produce department.

oh man I remember predicting a similar scenario (not that its hard when predicting apples milking strategy)
It was when the nokia 920 named wireless charging and nfc, and I said something along the lines of "wait 6 months and the 5s will include those features and claim they came up with it first"

and as always nfc could have been easily added to the 5, but they do this **** over and over again and still the sheep lap it up and spend thousands, although I am noticing some sheep are starting to wake up (it only took them the original,3g,3gs,4,4s and 5 to finally wake up..)

Hitman2000 said,

and as always nfc could have been easily added to the 5, but they do this **** over and over again and still the sheep lap it up and spend thousands, although I am noticing some sheep are starting to wake up (it only took them the original,3g,3gs,4,4s and 5 to finally wake up..)

Nice job assuming why people pick an iPhone.. **** WHAT THEY LIKE ISN'T THE SAME AS WHAT I LIKE, THEY MUST BE SHEEP!

Tech people who use the iphone and appreciate it for its specs and features are fine, but lets be honest here majority of apple consumers are indeed sheep.

and how can I say *most* iphone consumers are indeed sheep? well I need only look at my own family and friends who have no tech idea but want iphone, my sister who is a total tech dumbass did the exact things I mentioned then complained how its the same phone (yet still buys every new revision every 6 months)
Also how she thought the silent times thing is some revolutionary thing, even though android has had it for ages
just examples of things like that lead me to believe *majority* are sheep, so people who are tech oriented and appreciate the iphone for what it is are the exception not the rule!

Where did I mention MS? and secondly go look at my post history on the windows 8 debates if you think im a MS fanboy. lol
I like to think we on neowin are (generally) more techy and in the lop with the IT industry than average users, and as such we should be critical of all the big corps that screw the consumers, its just that apple does it so much that I may come across as anti apple, in reality im equally critical of MS and Google.

I have Android...

you seem like an angry apple sheep.

Hitman2000 said,
Tech people who use the iphone and appreciate it for its specs and features are fine, but lets be honest here majority of apple consumers are indeed sheep.

and how can I say *most* iphone consumers are indeed sheep? well I need only look at my own family and friends who have no tech idea but want iphone, my sister who is a total tech dumbass did the exact things I mentioned then complained how its the same phone (yet still buys every new revision every 6 months)
Also how she thought the silent times thing is some revolutionary thing, even though android has had it for ages
just examples of things like that lead me to believe *majority* are sheep, so people who are tech oriented and appreciate the iphone for what it is are the exception not the rule!


Umm no that just sounds like poor advertising on Androids part. And I'm sorry but calling your own family members "sheep" and "part of the herd" is pretty ****ing pathetic.

LucySilver said,

Nice job assuming why people pick an iPhone.. **** WHAT THEY LIKE ISN'T THE SAME AS WHAT I LIKE, THEY MUST BE SHEEP!

You entirely missed the point. he didnt say eh didnt like iPhone. What he did say si how Apple milks the fanclub by implemementing features one at a time like you are all a bunch of dumb children who cant handle a device with 5 new features at one time.

And I know exactly why Apple does it this way. They do it because theou ahve something to iPhone is boring. If you hold back features you have something to make ur device look fresh. I mean what was so great about the iPad 4? NOTHING. What new feature did it get over iPad 3? Siri. Lame half-baked upgrades.

APple's long claim of re dont release features until they are more mainstream and throughly tested all came to an end when the, the iPhone 4 was released with a broken antenna, the iPhone 4S was released with Siri that wa shalf baked....and the 5 was release with busted mapping software when they already had a perfectly working solution.

All this was brought on by the fact APple is trying to rush to keep their one phone relevent, because they have a reasoning that partners shouldn't compete against each other as they did this same crap to Microsoft, IBM and others. They are constantly burning bridges then have to go back and kiss up, which they also did to Microsoft, Intel and will likely be doing with Samsung.

Apple/Steve Jobs wasn't ****ed at Bill Gates bec he stole the GUI of the Mac and used it on WIndows that Jobs himself stole from Xerox. He was ****ed because Gates used it to compete against him. The same with Samsung.

If they're smart they'll release the 5s with the fingerprint reader and then a few months later release the 5s2 with nfc...

Retina display, and the removing of the air between the dispay and glass, are just 2 examples of innovations they have done on the iPhone first and then passed onto their desktop computers

dead.cell said,
HP has continued with the trend on their $500+ laptops at least, but I don't see anyone following suit really.
ThinkPad's have had finger readers since the IBM days before they sold it to Lenovo.

Yeah, I'm aware. I was speaking in terms of actively continuing it today. Also, I thought Lenovo was IBM? I should look into that...

-Razorfold said,
So now Apple will claim to have invented nfc. Probably have a fancy 'i' name for it too, like iPay.

Don't forget fingerprint scanning. They'll have invented that too.

Meh, Poland did it without Apple's help. NFC mobile payments are in almost every carrier's offer, and NFC-enabled cards are freaking everywhere (15 million such cards while roughly 27 million are able to legally own one). ^^

McKay said,
I hope if they do use NFC it's standard and not some fancy iNFC that only works between Apple devices.

You can't share images between WP8 and Android phones using NFC.

-Razorfold said,
So now Apple will claim to have invented nfc. Probably have a fancy 'i' name for it too, like iPay.

Quite funny how people say this, as if Apple has ever said they invented any product or service they announce. They never do.

Sartoris said,

You can't share images between WP8 and Android phones using NFC.

That's likely an issue between the 2 OSs. As both are using the same standard. What I don't want Apple to do is go and develop their own variant of NFC that offers nothing new but won't work with other platforms. You can still share smaller packets of data between Android and WP8 and I imagine an update would fix the sharing of larger things.

xstex said,

Quite funny how people say this, as if Apple has ever said they invented any product or service they announce. They never do.

Firstly we are joking
Secondly although they don't say it directly, they imply it and the sheep always believe apple came up with it first.

Hitman2000 said,

Firstly we are joking
Secondly although they don't say it directly, they imply it and the sheep always believe apple came up with it first.

Hyping up a feature and talking about how great it is isn't the same as indirectly claiming you invented it. Not even in the slightest.

Hitman2000 said,

Firstly we are joking
Secondly although they don't say it directly, they imply it and the sheep always believe apple came up with it first.

Lol no.

LucySilver said,

Lol no.

AirPlay is pretty much a proprietary version of DLNA. Even though DLNA has been around forever people still seem to think Apple invented it.

Does Apple ever explicitly say they invented it? No they don't but it's very heavily implied in their ads / product descriptions.

-Razorfold said,

AirPlay is pretty much a proprietary version of DLNA. Even though DLNA has been around forever people still seem to think Apple invented it.

Does Apple ever explicitly say they invented it? No they don't but it's very heavily implied in their ads / product descriptions.

Exactly. Marketed as a new and innovative product instead of supporting the standard. Apple are setting BACK the computing industry by hardware locking their devices. Another example is their lock down on Bluetooth and of course preventing technologies like ThunderBolt from actually being a market success.

So what you're saying is people aren't responsible for the knowledge they obtain. At least, that's the implication I'm getting here. I can blame you for my misinformed knowledge right? I only read half of what you wrote, I'm sure it's right!

(Slippery slope of nonsense, and this is why I don't buy it. I'm not a fan of Apple by any means for their commercials and such, but never have I gotten such implication from Apple.)

dead.cell said,
So what you're saying is people aren't responsible for the knowledge they obtain. At least, that's the implication I'm getting here. I can blame you for my misinformed knowledge right? I only read half of what you wrote, I'm sure it's right!

(Slippery slope of nonsense, and this is why I don't buy it. I'm not a fan of Apple by any means for their commercials and such, but never have I gotten such implication from Apple.)

I don't like the way they always rename exisiting technologies to make them seem somehow new or proprietary.

Why does wi-fi have to be called airport?

IgorP said,

I don't like the way they always rename exisiting technologies to make them seem somehow new or proprietary.

Why does wi-fi have to be called airport?

Microsoft does the same, Samsung does the same, Nokia does the same. Yet everyone goes on about Apple.

-Razorfold said,
So now Apple will claim to have invented nfc. Probably have a fancy 'i' name for it too, like iPay.

They'll call it Near Reality Distortion Field Communication.

xstex said,

Microsoft does the same, Samsung does the same, Nokia does the same. Yet everyone goes on about Apple.

"a tap is a zero-length swipe"

xstex said,

Quite funny how people say this, as if Apple has ever said they invented any product or service they announce. They never do.

But, actions speak louder than words. They make such a big frikkin deal about finally getting something someone else had months or ever years before. I mean look how much a big deal it was when they finally brought copy/paste to the iPhone? Look how much of a big deal it was when they finall made a 4" phone.

You are 100% correct, they never said in direct words, we invented anything...oh way...they did claim they invented slide to lock and that has been aaround since the Egyptians.