iPhone HD on June 22, CDMA version for Verizon?

The Wall Street Journal and Engadget have been mentioning that the next generation iPhone will be named the “iPhone HD.”  There is also reports that Apple will be unveiling the next generation iPhone and iPhone OS 4.0 on Tuesday, June 22, 2010.

The Taiwanese manufacturer, Hon Hai Precision Industry Co., which has produced previous versions of the iPhone, said that they are developing two versions of the phone.  One model will be the standard GSM iPhone, to work on networks such as AT&T, T-Mobile, and Rogers (Canada), and producing a special CDMA iPhone to work with carriers like Verizon, Sprint and Bell (Canada).  Bell currently offers the iPhone 3GS to customers on their HSPA+ network.

The iPhone will need to be developed in two different hardware versions, as the chip Apple is using can't provide a dual-operation to work on both GSM and CDMA towers.  With another hardware version launching, this means that Verizon will in fact be getting the next generation iPhone, the iPhone HD.  However, the manufacturer said it will start producing these in September.  Customers may have to wait till holiday season to get a Verizon iPhone HD.

There is also support A4-class SoC, a 960 x 640 display, a front-facing camera and that the iPhone OS 4.0 will enable multi-task support for third-party applications.

As AT&T’s exclusive contract comes to an end, other carriers will try to extend their reach to Apple, in hopes that they will also carry the iPhone.

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Interesting,may this be a sign of an upcoming update change in the iTunes Store? They may begin selling HD 720p video files and might embrace also HD-AAC lossless compression for music. I hope so!

If they don't make the battery better, multitasking is going to absolutely murder it.

With push on with my email, I get half a day at best.

dave164 said,
If they don't make the battery better, multitasking is going to absolutely murder it.

With push on with my email, I get half a day at best.

Push isn't multitasking, push is holding an open connection to a server at all times.

I had just recently sold my 3G iPhone on e-bay and decided to terminate the contract early. (New proud owner of a Nexus One.)

The iPhone is a nice and all, however some of it's basic functionality is seriously lacking. Such as when people call me I love to actually get the call before going straight to voicemail. I mostly blame AT&T for that one. Plus I absolutely hate iTunes these days.. it was great when it was a nice slim media player, but as we all know it's become a bloated piece of dung.

Smigit said,
it's not as bad as everyone putting an "i" in front of their products name.
This is the first and last time I will ever do this: +1

Why are people complaining about them naming it iphone HD, why is what they are doing any different from HTC and the 'HD' phones that they produce. Most only run at best 480x800...

And no one has mentioned how this phone could be ported to any alternative GSM providers in America. Or even Sprint. Hell, while we are at it, lets throw a rumor it will be open to all carriers like the nexus one.

ivdubvr6i said,
Why are people complaining about them naming it iphone HD, why is what they are doing any different from HTC and the 'HD' phones that they produce. Most only run at best 480x800...

And no one has mentioned how this phone could be ported to any alternative GSM providers in America. Or even Sprint. Hell, while we are at it, lets throw a rumor it will be open to all carriers like the nexus one.

Because the name sucks that's why.

Luis Mazza said,
Screw the front facing camera... This is so childish.

+1 nobody will use it...video chat has barely caught on for computers, let alone cell phones.. gimmick...

Well it has to be there for it to take off. It doesn't really hurt having it for the few that do want it.

While I doubt it'd be that popular as well, it is still worth pointing out that phones have been able to access the internet for a very long time and thats only recently started to take off overly much in the consumer space as well. Some of these thing's don't become popular over night.

RavenSoft said,
yea but I don't think those phones can run on both networks at the SAME time, its one or the other.

RavenSoft said,
yea but I don't think those phones can run on both networks at the SAME time, its one or the other.

Sure they can. You select one of 3 options:

1. Global
2. GSM
3. CDMA

If it's in global mode, both the GSM and CDMA radios are active and the phones switches between them depending on signal strength and quality.

RavenSoft said,
yea but I don't think those phones can run on both networks at the SAME time, its one or the other.

You see, they aren't using the same networks all the time, it would most likely be a software that triggers the hardware to operate on the CDMA or GSM frequency, not at the same time.

They just wanted one chip that can be dual-operational, rather than making 2 hardware versions, which can be confusing.

Andrew Lyle said,

You see, they aren't using the same networks all the time, it would most likely be a software that triggers the hardware to operate on the CDMA or GSM frequency, not at the same time.

They just wanted one chip that can be dual-operational, rather than making 2 hardware versions, which can be confusing.

Why would you want something to operate on both CDMA and GSM at the exact same time? What purpose would it serve? How would the phone know which signal to make calls on?

You can have both radios (running at the same time, both actively searching for towers) and depending on which signal strength is stronger the software will automatically choose which network to use and switch over. Or you can force it to use only one network. Qualcomm MSM7600 is one of those chips that supports both CDMA and GSM.

Edited by -Razorfold, Mar 30 2010, 4:24am :

Weren't they working on a chip that does both GSM/CDMA setups? I wonder if Apple is truly going multi-carrier. If they do, will it be for all, 3G or 4G for all carriers? Interesting.

thenetavenger said,
Seriously, copying Microsoft Zune's naming (Zune HD)?

Is Apple losing its touch at marketing?

That's what i thought.

The Real Alex said,

That's what i thought.


I dont think the new iiphone will be named as iphone HD its just a rumor.

thenetavenger said,
Seriously, copying Microsoft Zune's naming (Zune HD)?

Is Apple losing its touch at marketing?

Everyone copies everyone, who cares... Anyways lots of countries don't even stock Zunes its just you people in the US.

The quote is...

The iPhone will need to be developed in two different hardware versions, as the chip Apple is using can't provide a dual-operation to work on both GSM and CDMA towers.
...which to me is even stranger. Couldn't they just change to a different chip for the new phone that supports both? I assume thats what other phones are doing, either that or they are throwing both chips into the handset.

Edited by Smigit, Mar 30 2010, 8:57am :

Karo - 323z IT said,
Now that sounds good on paper. Bring on the real life experiences. Lets hope it has a decent battery life FOR ONCE >

I'll second that, battery life needs a major improvement some how.

Baked said,
iFail HD

I'm sorry but that's not HD res IMO

although I agree that the naming could be better and that "HD" is being abused, the pixel/screen size ratio is "HD".

Shadrack said,

although I agree that the naming could be better and that "HD" is being abused, the pixel/screen size ratio is "HD".

No, it's not. HD is defined as video resolutions 720p and above (unless you count that non-standard Austrailian 576p that they call HD).

roadwarrior said,

No, it's not. HD is defined as video resolutions 720p and above (unless you count that non-standard Austrailian 576p that they call HD).

Uhg. Thanks for reading my post. NOT!

I'd try to explain it to you, but it is pointless because I do agree with you in that HD resolutions are 720P and 1080P. People are saying the size of the screen factors into it when you consider pixel density. I'm just relaying that.

Shadrack said,
People are saying the size of the screen factors into it when you consider pixel density. I'm just relaying that.

That's just it though. HD standards make no reference to pixel density, just resolution. 720p on a 46" plasma TV is just as "high definition" as 720p on a 10" netbook screen.

roadwarrior said,

That's just it though. HD standards make no reference to pixel density, just resolution. 720p on a 46" plasma TV is just as "high definition" as 720p on a 10" netbook screen.

Its going to look a lot crisper on a 10" netbook screen than a 46" TV

I hope it goes to Sprint. This summer I will decided whether the iPhone "HD" will be the next phone for me or a Windows Phone 7 Series Phone will be for me.

Does Apple also include one unicorn with every purchase of the iPhone HD? Seriously, how many times we hear of iPhone on Verizon, front facing camera, and other rumors?

Andrew Lyle said,
Well, if The WSJ is reporting this, you can almost asure that this is true.

I don't want everyone to be mad at me, but I really doubt this is anything more than speculations.

day2die said,

I don't want everyone to be mad at me, but I really doubt this is anything more than speculations.
I dunno, there was a photo of the front panel (fake or not) from a reliable source with a larger screen and hole for front facing camera and considering multi-tasking is the second most requested feature (with copy and paste being #1 and Apple did eventually add that) it's quite likely Apple would eventually add that too. It all seems fairly credible to me.

day2die said,

I don't want everyone to be mad at me, but I really doubt this is anything more than speculations.

TBH, I'm with you on this one.

Xerxes said,
I dunno, there was a photo of the front panel (fake or not) from a reliable source with a larger screen and hole for front facing camera and considering multi-tasking is the second most requested feature (with copy and paste being #1 and Apple did eventually add that) it's quite likely Apple would eventually add that too. It all seems fairly credible to me.

That was the ipad you are talking about. not the iphone

I was telling myself when I bought my 3GS, no you won't want the 4th gen iPhone next year, you will be happy with your 3GS for at least 2y... But if they make the iPhone HD as rumors says, I don't think I will support it lol...

NienorGT said,
I was telling myself when I bought my 3GS, no you won't want the 4th gen iPhone next year, you will be happy with your 3GS for at least 2y... But if they make the iPhone HD as rumors says, I don't think I will support it lol...

Why? You would go with the 3GS but you won't go with the HD because if the rumors are true it will be so much better than the 3GS....? What is your logic for not going for it? The name? Something tells me that the iPhone HD won't be the name of the device. Sounds too much like the Zune HD. Not only that, Apple is notorious for passing false rumors.

Edited by Shadrack, Mar 30 2010, 1:31am :

Shadrack said,

Why? You would go with the 3GS but you won't go with the HD because if the rumors are true it will be so much better than the 3GS....? What is your logic for not going for it? The name? Something tells me that the iPhone HD won't be the name of the device. Sounds too much like the Zune HD. Not only that, Apple is notorious for passing false rumors.


My thoughts exactly. Apple leaks precisely the amount of information that they want their prospective customers to hear and get excited. Apple also likes to see how their prospective customers react to such purportedly leaked news, to see what else they need to do to get things right at product launch.

Edited by Jebadiah, Mar 30 2010, 7:26am :

I think the point he was trying to make was he couldn't resist the 3GS and now he is hearing about the iPhone HD and kicking him self in the ass for not waiting. But thats just how it goes when it comes to technology. If you wait for the next big thing you will be waiting forever. I went through the same thing when I got my 3G. I knew the 3GS was on the horizon but the full details hadn't emerged yet so I went forward and not one month later the details came out. Man was a ****ed at myself.

Hendrick said,
iPhone on Verizon = win.

- 10000000000

Verizon Sucks.. besides im glad its not only them getting this... That way they wont have the chance to put out stupid ads... like they do now..

kraized said,
How is 960 x 640 HD?

It's on a phone that has like a 3-4" screen. Do the math. Plus, that's a slightly taller resolution than 1080p (unless someone made a typo and meant 960x540, or they just doubled the original resolution).

Edited by IceBreakerG, Mar 30 2010, 12:31am : Updated

kraized said,
How is 960 x 640 HD?

Doubling iPhone resolution makes sense since it means that old apps won't look worse on a better screen.

IceBreakerG said,

It's on a phone that has like a 3-4" screen. Do the math. Plus, that's a slightly taller resolution than 1080p (unless someone made a typo and meant 960x540, or they just doubled the original resolution).

1080p is 1920x1080. 720p is 1280x720. So the screen isn't an actual "HD" resolution but it will look crisp as hell at 3-4".

IceBreakerG said,
Do the math.

IceBreakerG said,
Plus, that's a slightly taller resolution than 1080p (unless someone made a typo and meant 960x540, or they just doubled the original resolution).

Hahaha, I loved the irony of saying "Do the math" and then saying something completely mathematically illogical haha.

-Harbinger said,

Hahaha, I loved the irony of saying "Do the math" and then saying something completely mathematically illogical haha.


LOL

Well the HTC "HD2" is 800x480. Unless I'm mistaken the "HD" was in reference to the display of the device and if so then they aren't the only ones doing it.

Really "HD" is almost a marketing term just like 'netbooks' is in many regards. Regardless, its a pretty good resolution for something of that screen size.

kraized said,
How is 960 x 640 HD?
HD is nothing but a marketing term in case you didn't notice yet. Nowhere it is defined what "HD" actually means, so everybody can use it as they wish. Hell, you could call overly compressed 320X200 video "HD" if you feel like it.

LoneRunner said,

"HD video" is defined.

Well, considering that Menthix (and everyone else here) was talking about video formats and resolutions, "HD video" is the only thing that would be relevant to the discussion.