iPods and iPhones are not allowed in the Gates home

When your father is one of the richest persons in the world life can't be too bad right? Having direct access to all sorts of Microsoft goodies like a copy of Windows 7, an Xbox 360, and Microsoft Surface, how bad can it really be?

Well it's bad if you're a fan of Apple. Melinda Gates reveled in an interview that "[t]here are very few things that are on the banned list in our household. But iPods and iPhones are two things we don't get for our kids."

Melinda does state though that she has been tempted by the iPhone by saying "[e]very now and then I look at my friends and say 'Ooh, I wouldn't mind having that iPhone'"

Do you think its right for the Gates family to ban products from a competitor from their household? It makes you wonder if Steve Jobs bans Microsoft products from his household too.

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Is it really proper of everyone to judge someone else's parenting/household?

It's a personal choice. Get out of their lives, it doesn't really concern ANY of us to be honest.

Look at it this way. If the Gates household used Apple products, that would just be fodder for all the Apple fanboys to jump on. ZOMG EVEN BILLY GATES USES APPLE. APPLE FTW!

Think of the public image of the Gates kid using iPods. Think of the stocks that would be dramatically effected almost immediately. I don't think Jobs would encourage his kids to buy Zunes or the like.

RebelSean --

This is different -- Bill and Melinda arent saying their kids cant have cellphones or MP3 players, they are banning a particular brand

Yours and my parents might have banned cigarettes when we were youn, but they didnt say "no Marlboro !!"

I'm not sure how everyone else was raised, but when I was growing up we had a list of banned things from our house as well. It's up to the parents as to what they want their kids to have, and what not to have. I don't hear anyone complaining that parents are banning their kids from watching porn, so what's the big deal when iPods and iPhones are not allowed in the Gates' house?

RebelSean said,
I'm not sure how everyone else was raised, but when I was growing up we had a list of banned things from our house as well. It's up to the parents as to what they want their kids to have, and what not to have. I don't hear anyone complaining that parents are banning their kids from watching porn, so what's the big deal when iPods and iPhones are not allowed in the Gates' house?

where do you get the idea they are not allowed in his house? all he said was he doesn't buy them for his kids.

Kinda funny if you ask me...

Its kinda like not being able to have friends who are better looking than you are...

All of a sudden that Zune looks pretty cool

Yes but you were "just" an employee that's not the same as a high profile person being seen to prefer a competitors products.

Chris-Gonzales on 02 Mar 2009 - 19:28

Working at McDonalds and eating at Jack-In-the-Box is comparing hamburgers to hamburgers.

Diet Coke and Whole Foods are NOT competitors. John Mackey having diet coke his fridge after he spent almost 30 years building a "organic and natural foods" company would make him a big hipocrite.

Dude - you have comments all over the place on here - do you actually still have a job, or did McDonalds fire you for eating a Taco Bell?

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Besides being freedom of choice, think of the headlines if they chose to use Apple products it would effectively be saying that they're superior to Microsoft ones. Whether that is true or not isn't the point it would damage Microsoft.

iPhone? Cut me a break.
iPod? Yeah, okay, I can grant that one :)

But look at what the article said - they simply didn't buy them for the kids. Where did it say that they BANNED them from having one?

The opposite would be equally valid, someone could have lived 26 years without needing or wanting anything Microsoft. Neither is right or wrong, it's called freedom of choice.

I have this rule in effect too. When the price if iPhone is low enough, I have to unban myself from using iPhone.

Well he says he doesn't get them for his kids, that means he doesn't buy them, that doesn't mean it's not allowed in his house, I'm sure hid kids could buy a ipod or iphone with their own money and he would be fine with it.

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Exactly. I dont see gates shunning his kids and saying "your not my kid anymore" just because they bought an ipod.
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Does he kick out guests that have apple products to?

This is just like parents saying no guns in the house...or saying you cannot watch a certain show. When they get older and move out on their own, then its their choice on what to buy. As long as they live at home, then they are under different rules and must follow them.

I believe it's fair enough when got that much money and that many connections in microsoft the alternatives that support them outweigh the iphone easily.

Totally up to them. It would be a pretrty sad day if other people could dictate what brands you could or could not buy.

I did.

I still don't see the correlation or need to invoke Godwin here. I think you might of wanted to use "Big brother" instead.

I would do the same thing. What would the market/people think if Gates family bought an iPod over a Zune or a iPhone over a Windows Mobile phone? Thats pretty much saying that what you make isnt as good as the other stuff.

I think it's more a matter of believing in the product that you sell.

I doubt the owner of Coca~Cola and the upper echelon of the company, would be caught in public drinking Pepsi Cola... it just wouldn't look right.

Besides, his house - his rules.

You're probably right, but that's a bit foolish and prideful, don't you think? If I'm selling a product and I'm in direct competition with another product, wouldn't it be wise to sample the other product and get a sense of what they're trying to do and where they're going with it? For example, here the iPod is insanely popular. Microsoft is in competition with them. Rather than covering your eyes every time you come across an iPod, wouldn't it be a bit wiser to try and use an iPod yourself, see what the experience is like? Even if you didn't think it offered anything over your own product, you're not your only customer (one would hope, anyway) - everyone is different. Figuring out why a competitor's product is clicking so well with the general populace while yours isn't - I'd think that's the first step to making dramatic improvements in your own product's market share, regardless of what industry you're in.

Some time ago i had a discussion with a friend who works for a beer company here in Mexico and he always drank the competition's brand before his new job.

Then i went to his house and he had the beer he was selling in his fridge. I told him that its his house and he can always drink the one he likes at least in his home. The discussion ended but he still drinks the ones from his job at home.

It would be different for Bill's kids to use iPhones or iPods because they can be seen in public and the media will feast off it.

ajua said,
Some time ago i had a discussion with a friend who works for a beer company here in Mexico and he always drank the competition's brand before his new job.

Then i went to his house and he had the beer he was selling in his fridge. I told him that its his house and he can always drink the one he likes at least in his home. The discussion ended but he still drinks the ones from his job at home.

It would be different for Bill's kids to use iPhones or iPods because they can be seen in public and the media will feast off it.


Actually [they] refer to it as "black water" - you cant even say the word "Pepsi"

A lot of extreme opinions for a simple household rule.

I employ the same rule at my house. I prefer superior products so iPod and iPhone are not permitted.

wow a Phone thats geard for business users has features that a non-business phone has
thats astounding

how many already owned mp3's can you put on it or do you have to repurchase them all ?
headphone Jack ?
Feature Expandability ?
App Support ?
yes app and feature are seperate for a reason.

i dont have an iPhone, and wont touch it cause of ATT, but i do have a Touch, and i can do more with my touch then that HTC can.

im pretty shure with exception of the tactile keyboard/copy paste you can do them all on the iPhone also with the App Store, yes even Multi-Task ( diffrent programs already do this )

Its geared for power users , Just like the Kaiser anyway

As much as you want through this marvilous feture called copy and paste
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes

for all your yes's.

where is the headphone jack that you say it has ?
and beecause its a windows mobile, im assuming its app store is the same as mine, which isnt much.
and because you just put yes on the music thing is that to assume that you have to repurchase all your music ? as the put mp3's on it wasnt a yes or no question it was a internal storage question

On the device
"app store"Its called the Windows Mobile Marketplace and its been around for a long , long time
Its just copy and paste , Copy the music from your PC to your PDA phone . Magic , The touch pro 2 uses external storage if you want a device wih flash internal storage buy one.

wish it was as easy as you say with my winmobile, just to get contacts over had to get a copy of Outlook ( i use Thunderbird ) and after the trial of Office ran out, anything regarding contacts has to be done manually as outlook express wont sync to it. and multiple My Documents Folders for the user and phone

aka stuff in User/my doc wont be in user/mydoc/mymobiledoc which gets syncd to the phone, not mydoc which is the default for almost every win app on the planet

and where is the Windows Mobile Marketplace, last i heard it wasnt out yet, but that was back in augest of 08, each carrier has a app store and it differs for each carrier ( didnt see much in sprints )

Um...for syncing files, when you connect your windows mobile phone to your computer it asks you what you want to sync, which folders you want to sync etc.

Copy and paste is not a business feature.
Multi-tasking is not a business feature.
Office suite is not a business feature.

Music = copy and paste, no stupid itunes (which may be good on mac but on windows its gotta be the worst program ever made)

External storage with microsd upto 16gb at the moment, with a 32gb card in the works.

As for apps, theres tons of windows mobile apps out there. Sure the iphone may have more, but lets be honest how many iphone apps are useful...

Can you skin your iphone to the extent you can with windows mobile? Change the interface to suit your preference? Custom roms? Blackberry connect? Autofocus camera?

Thats what you people said about GPS and when apple added crappy AGPS suddenly it became essental .

Your not fooling anyone weve had 3 years of this bullcrap , Its just positive spin . I guess thats why 20 million people chose Windows Mobiles in 2008 ...

But it is because there are Microsoft alternatives. Before Zunes, I'm sure Bill had an iPod. There was no real better alternative at the time made by Microsoft. Everything before the Zune was crappy if it wasn't an iPod. Why would they have settled for a crappy MP3 player.

Ever hear of a word called research?

Cowon makes superior MP3 players to any iPod and there were other brands before Apple and Microsoft's.

Does the word Creative mean anything to you?

i just read reviews of the cowon devices, their not superior and the reviews said look somewhere else until the UI/price get a makeover

and creatives devices arent even close

Right, so marketshare is definitely an indication of a superior product, even if that product is so well-known that many people aren't even aware of any alterrnatives. Right.

Hell-In-A-Handbasket, the Cowon devices don't seem to be all that great, yes. What do you have against the Creative devices though?

@Silverskull -

I had 2 Creative MP3 players and both broke of their own accord within about 4 months.

I have had 3 or 4 iPods (I tend to get one everytime they are updated) and not one has broken.

I would laugh so hard if Bill Gates secretly uses a Mac at home, and only uses a PC to please the media. Bill Gates is probably the only person in the world who bought a Zune...

(Joking about the Zune part)

Zune has nothing really? Sharing songs? big deal, that could have been added in the 3rd or 4th verson, after people actully bought the product and knows about it. FM tuner? meh, brown? YUCK

a software that doesnt work?

Well if you were the owner of a big company and used the competitors product at home I am sure a lot of people here would bash him for that too. Honestly how many of you have seen pics of Macs supposedly being used in a Microsoft office and the bashing and arguments that follow ? If he used competitors product at home and everyone finds out it will have a big negative impact on the company. So he is caring for something he created. I don't see anything wrong with that.

The fact tat they have a formal rule, and not only that, but that they went out and said it, is the ridiculous thing.

However, in Bill's house, you would think it's just implied.

im assuming its banned, as belinda said during an interview that when she sees her friends iPhones, shes like "[e]very now and then I look at my friends and say 'Ooh, I wouldn't mind having that iPhone'"

wouldn't say that unless it was banned.

but i understand why it is, would undermine the whole business ( aka we will make/sell it but not use it ) , especially since MS does MP3Players / Phone OS's )

agreed, but either way would be a bad business decision if they did, literally the media mafia would be jumping all over it if they did.

i agree with Bill/Melinda's decision, its theirs to make. and figured it was common sense that they wouldn't use them, same with about a 0% chance they own a PS3

Are tehy actually "banned" from his house, or have they just said they won't buy them for their kids? The first is kinda stupid and petty, the second is...well good parenting to be honest...

digitalsoft said,
That doesnt say its banned does it? Simply that they dont buy there children Apple products... :S

I noticed that, too. Sensationalist reporting at its finest.

Funny, but not as bad as it sounds. It's fine to not buy your kids a competitor's products, but if the kids are grown up and they still don't allow it or if they ban other people from bringing over their iPhones, then that would be a different story.

Marshalus said,
Gates could probably melt my brain with his uber-powers, I'd rather not risk it :D

Probably? He could melt MY brain and I'm in a different time zone I'd be careful of that mosquito-touting man.

I wouldn't mind going without an iPhone if I knew I was going to get at least some of that inheritance one day.

what said,
I wouldn't mind going without an iPhone if I knew I was going to get at least some of that inheritance one day.


His kids are only getting about 2% of his fortune i believe.

2% of $58 Billion still is a lot of money. Not sure if that's US Billion or Uk Billion though.

UK Billion is what US call 1000 million btw.

A UK billion is 1,000,000,000,000 (a million million - not used any more)

A US billion is 1,000,000,000 (a milliard - commonly used as billion now)

=NickJ= said,
A UK billion is 1,000,000,000,000 (a million million - not used any more)

A US billion is 1,000,000,000 (a milliard - commonly used as billion now)


in dutch we still use it

million = miljoen = 1,000,000
billion = miljard = 1000*million
whatever = biljoen = miljoen * miljoen

It makes sense, which is probably why the americans changed it

Hes taking the Carineige approach though at least they still get something. And I wouldnt care about ipod/iphone. In fact I just trader for a Zune and I think my Instinct is pretty nice.

I would think that being someone that has made all his money through technology, he would respect good tech, no matter where it came from.

If he hates the iPhone/iPod, create something that beats it.

When I was younger, I was a huge Gates fan, and I still have a lot of respect for him, but this is dumb.

not necessarily....microsoft r doing so many things....its not bad to not have something rather than having something which is bad

"good tech, no matter where it came from... If he hates the iPhone/iPod, create something that beats it"

Already done: Zune, Windows Mobile

While a great businessman however, Gates is apparently no good with marketing

The Zune is a decent enough mp3 player, but the iPod, as you said, is not the best mp3 player, just the best marketed.

WinMo, on the other hand, sucks.

Actually I think Buffett is in the lead right now. They have been alternating spots since the economy is going up and down and down and up and down and down.

the "mexican" that's the richest guy on earth hadn't managed to legitimize a lot of his holdings/earnings and his position was extremely dubious... as for if Gates' still the richest... I don't think he cares nearly as much as most nerds do. I'm going to bet he's trying to cash out and donate as much as is reasonably possible before he's looking at retirement/dealing with massive estate taxes that could quite literally kill the economy if his estate has to pay them. ("Bill Gates' Estate had to sell 90% of it's holdings in Microsoft operation to settle back taxes... the Dow is now at 700, not 7000, 700.")

its for sure a business issue, if the press caught a photo of bill's kids or wife with an apple product it would show to investors he doesn't have faith or believe his company is of superior quality and the competitors are a better choice. he's trying to save his own ass and his bank account. theres a reason why he's the richest...mad business skillz

Actually that makes a lot of sense to me. Even though the Gates family isn't really a huge paparazzi target I could see if there was a picture of someone in his family with a Apple product it could be used against him or Microsoft.

bryonhowley said,
I for one would never own or buy an IPhone or IPod.

what a stupid statement. i dont understand your logic... is it just becuase they're made by Apple, and not Microsoft?

I wouldn't get one either for similar reasons. I want freedom to do what I want with my purchases. iTunes especially is a deal-breaker.

houlty said,
what a stupid statement. i dont understand your logic... is it just becuase they're made by Apple, and not Microsoft?

Does the head of Mercedes drive a Saab?....!

what a stupid statement. i dont understand your logic... is it just becuase they're made by Apple, and not Microsoft?

This one is even worse. Can a man or woman not simply refuse to buy a product based on their own opinion? Furthermore, he didn't state whether it was just because it was an Apple product. He didn't say anything about other Apple products, but hey, even if he did, so what? He's free to his opinion, and if he doesn't want something, he doesn't have to buy it!

With the economic situation at hand, did anyone stop to think maybe money is an issue?

dead.cell said,
With the economic situation at hand, did anyone stop to think maybe money is an issue?

ROFLMAO! Can't....stop....laughing......

Did you seriously just use that line in regards to Bill Gates? Money an issue?

ROFLMAO! Make it stop! Can't breathe!

nekkidtruth said,
ROFLMAO! Can't....stop....laughing......

Did you seriously just use that line in regards to Bill Gates? Money an issue?

ROFLMAO! Make it stop! Can't breathe!

ROFLMAO read the first post in this thread, ROFLMAO that's what he meant LOL

bryonhowley said,
I for one would never own or buy an IPhone or IPod.

+1
I don't care for iTunes, nor the limitations imposed by having to use it. Also the Apple products are quite expensive and have an mp3 player that doesn't plenty for me and don't need a fancy flat phone with a touch screen.

Its not stupid.

If your family owned an auto electrical business and say your car broke down.... You wouldn't go to the competition to get your car fixed would you????!

Marshalus said,
Does Steve Jobs even have kids? (I honestly don't know.)

Jobs married Laurene Powell, on March 18, 1991. Presiding over the wedding was the Zen Buddhist monk Kobun Chino Otogowa.[42] The couple have three children. Jobs also has a daughter, Lisa Brennan-Jobs (born 1978), from his relationship with Bay Area painter Chrisann Brennan.[43] She briefly raised their daughter on welfare when Jobs denied paternity, claiming that he was sterile; he later acknowledged paternity.[43] Lisa Brennan-Jobs is a journalist who wrote for The Harvard Crimson, and Apple's Lisa Computer was named for her.

From Wikipedia

Marshalus said,
Does Steve Jobs even have kids? (I honestly don't know.)

Yep, Steve has 3 kids I believe.

(yeah, I checked Wikipedia :p)

Jobs married Laurene Powell, on March 18, 1991. Presiding over the wedding was the Zen Buddhist monk Kobun Chino Otogowa.[42] The couple have three children. Jobs also has a daughter, Lisa Brennan-Jobs (born 197, from his relationship with Bay Area painter Chrisann Brennan.[43] She briefly raised their daughter on welfare when Jobs denied paternity, claiming that he was sterile; he later acknowledged paternity.[43] Lisa Brennan-Jobs is a journalist who wrote for The Harvard Crimson, and Apple's Lisa Computer was named for her.

--> Are they sisters?

since he denied paternity, she probalby gave the girl her own last name, and when he finally calimed paternity, they probably just added jobs to her name.

ignore the #s too, those are just the quote marks from wikipedia.

Glassed Silver said,
microsoft develops for macs... the mac dept is rather big at ms...

Glassed Silver:win


Oh, I understand that. I currently have Word for Mac open on my MacBook, but keep in mind, Microsoft develops iPhone applications, yet they're not allowed There's some food for thought.

... and then there's an alternative world where Bill and his family are all using iPhone and then this news spreads through the net... everyone would be mocking them...

It's not stupid, it doesn't give a good message if his kids use a rival companies product now does it? and considering the stir (i.e. mocking) caused by the picture of Bill using a MacBook a few years ago, I don't blame him.

I agree, if anyone in his family got one of those products the media and all the stupid bloggers would tear them to pieces over it.

not really... If you guess how they would have everything set up (windows server, Media Center, outlook, exchange) surely they would want like widows Mobile or ZUNE to allow 100% intergration into there home network...

Seeing as its reported on a media god knows whats missing out of it or what part they will make bolder than others.

Since the article doesn't state any reason of why these articles are banned, it leaves everything open for speculation.

Of course Ballmer has kids, 3 of them, been married since 1990.

Unlike you, Ballmer is the CEO of the world's largest software company.

Um, anyone want to take a bet how many machines running Windows Vista are in STEVE JOBS' home?!

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