iTunes 11 likely to land today: It's out! [Updated]

Update: The report was right and iTunes 11 is now available to download on Macs with the Windows version probably coming in the following hours. The Apple site hasn't been updated yet so you can only get it through the "Check for updates" option in iTunes, but this should change any minute now.

There’s a good chance we might see Apple’s iTunes 11 go live today, and there's plenty of evidence to support it.

While doing a profile of Eddy Cue, Apple’s Senior Vice President of Internet Software and Services, WSJ’s Jessica Lessin mentions:

This week, Mr. Cue faces a test of how well Apple can keep up in online services with the launch of a new desktop version of iTunes, which is expected as soon as Thursday.

This new version of iTunes was supposed to launch back in October but it has been delayed due to “engineering issues that required parts to be rebuilt” as the report states. So right now Apple only has 2 days to deliver if it doesn't want to break its promise.

iTunes 11 was shown off during the iPhone 5 keynote in September. It brings a new cleaner and more visually appealing design and better integration with iCloud, Apple’s cloud solution. It also brings UI changes to the store as well as some new features for podcast enthusiasts.

Be sure to stick around, we’ll update this article if the update goes live. In the meantime let us know, are you excited about the changes coming in iTunes 11?

Source: WSJ Via: Macworld | Image via Apple.com

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The UI changes are weird. I guess I'm just used to list views with the album art in the left hand sidebar along with all my playlists etc. It took a little bit of time to get familiar with the customization options, but then I remembered that ALT reveals the menu bar (like everything else in Windows) so I could set the artist view the way I wanted to... But the fonts are too big, the artist column bold and it looks ugly. I can place the sidebar back, but it has those awful OS X icons in color instead of the old Windows version of 10 where the icons were just gray on a blue-ish background; those were awesome, these are not. And I still haven't found a way to resize album art in Album view

I love the mini player, though, it is by far the best change in iTunes 11. Not to mention that when I shuffle a playlist and switch to the mini player, it actually shows me what it's gonna play next, and I can just skip over songs I don't want to play.

I don't understand why suddenly, for every playlist, the repeat/shuffle settings are different; in 10.7 and before, each playlist had its own settings, so I didn't have to ever check those. If I leave shuffle on in one playlist, but turn it off in another, it's gonna stay that way until I change it. Now, in 11, every time I load a playlist (even if its the same one!) I have to pick a song to activate it first then actually turn on shuffle - bleh, I will never get used to that in my life.
The gradient of the song information on the top is ugly as hell - makes me just switch to mini player as soon as possible and never see the full version again; which is both good and bad, but there's no icon to easily switch unless I go to options on the top left. Keyboard shortcut is at least something, though.

The "Now Playing" feature is awesome as well - no more need to drag&drop stuff to a playlist and constantly screw around it.

I know I'm nitpicking but that's the way my OCD works xD

And I actually uninstalled it in the end and went back to Winamp (after stripping it of all the crap during install). Maybe I will give it another go soon, since I'm desperately eager to find out if they fixed the "RAM leaks" i.e. if I leave it idle to go through a playlist overnight while I sleep, in the morning I find it consumes at least 200-300MB of RAM for absolutely no reason.

The only reason to use iTunes on Windows (besides syncing an ipod) was coverflow (since that's the one UI element WinAmp, etc. doesn't have)...and now it's gone.

For the first time in years, I'm deactivating and uninstalling iTunes on everything I own except for the one machine I sync music on.

So you can count that as one downvote for me.

I wonder if they made this version easier to close on Windows... On the old one, I always have to go to the task manager and kill itunes.exe and ituneshelper.exe to get it to shut down.

I've been playing with the new iTunes 11 for the last hour, and must admit, I am FLOORED by it (in the most positive way possible). This is the kind of development work I expect to see from not just Apple, but from ANY company! Delay it if necessary, in order to deliver a rock-solid, feature-complete package that delivers on the promises given!

- Performance has been WORLDS better than 10.7 was on my MBP 13" i7 early 2011 with 16GB RAM running OS X 10.8.2. Load times of the programs, switching between Music, Movie, etc is lightning quick, and it appears CPU load while running tasks has been slightly improved based on initial observations in Activity Monitor.

- Interface is very slick, and I can already see cues of what is it come in OS X in terms of interface refinements, such as the redesigned Play Next pop-out menu in Album view (the function used to add an entire Album to either Play Next, or to a Playlist).

- Device screen, where you see the status of a connected iOS device is much cleaner and easier to get a grasp of quickly.

- Search function is BRILLIANT! It finds EXACTLY what I need in a split second, and finds the relevant information and immediately sorts into different categories right from the search results so for things like adding an album or song to Play Next, no further interaction is needed and the action can be performed right from search results, LOVE IT!

- Scrolling in different lists is flawless and smooth, with both Trackpad or a MagicMouse. I've read the other posts here about the jumpiness using a mouse, but so far haven't been able to duplicate the behaviour.

- Store is now a store you can actually shop in! It mimics the new iOS 6 store layout, but seems to be the most usable out of all the incarnations I've seen across iOS. Runs silky smooth, easy to get around all the horizontally-scrollable areas, Album and Movie information display is AMAZING.

I'm still going to keep digging deeper into hidden features, but I'm giving it two very enthusiastic thumbs way up so far!


One more quick update... I just installed iTunes 11 for Windows, and for the FIRST TIME, this program is actually usable on Windows! The performance is almost as good as the OS X iteration, functions and interface are identical, and best of all, Home Sharing works like perfection! CPU load on both the Mac where the library is located, and on the Windows box playing them, is near 0, with minimal network overhead.

Perhaps firing Forstall did Apple some good after all, I've officially dumped WMP on Windows in favour of iTunes!

Jose_49 said,
Hmm... An apple as Profile pic... and "Mag" as user name... I'll try it for myself...

You'll probably find the same as most people have done, that iTunes 11 is an amazingly good update. Regardless of if he's a fanboy or not, it's a genuinely great update.

Mine keeps saying 10.7 is the newest version... Wonder if that's because they haven't released the 64-bit version even though its not 64-bit...

sanke1 said,
Same old pig with new lip stick. Still stutters on my i5 3550 + GTX 670 + 8GB + SSD

I honestly don't know what it is you people do with your PCs, but here iTunes 11 runs smooth as butter on Windows 8.

.Neo said,

I honestly don't know what it is you people do with your PCs, but here iTunes 11 runs smooth as butter on Windows 8.

In album view, click on any album and the sliding animation is annoyingly stuttering. Normal scrolling is stuttery as well.

Or may be you are testing it on Cray.

sanke1 said,
Same old pig with new lip stick. Still stutters on my i5 3550 + GTX 670 + 8GB + SSD

Core i7 3770k, 16GB RAM, Crucial m4 SSD, Intel HD 4000 and Windows 8 x64 here. I can confirm it does stutter here too. It is much more usable and seems more stable compared to 10.x and I like what they did to the iPhone and iOS devices being at the top right, clean and out of the way! Also the info pages are neat for iOS management (Haven't plugged in my phone yet, just saw it through WiFi Sync)

sanke1 said,
Same old pig with new lip stick. Still stutters on my i5 3550 + GTX 670 + 8GB + SSD

Seriously. Format your machine because it's obviously screwed up.

sanke1 said,
Same old pig with new lip stick. Still stutters on my i5 3550 + GTX 670 + 8GB + SSD

Strange it's perfectly smooth on my i5 750 + 670 oc.

Spirit Dave said,

Seriously. Format your machine because it's obviously screwed up.

That machine is a step below mines, if creating a new library and re-adding files doesn't fix it then most likely its just a bad install which can be fixed by uninstalling and reinstalling iTunes.

I kept my library but prior to installing iTunes 11, I wiped out 10.7, Bonjour, Apple Mobile Device Support and Application Support. Installation took 12 seconds (I did time it on my SSD lmao)

Spirit Dave said,

Seriously. Format your machine because it's obviously screwed up.

It's a fresh install. Windows 8 and iTunes 11 both. Otherwise, my machine can rip apart games Skyrim and BF3.

Xenon said,
Wow the new interface is terrible. A lot less usable than 10.7

What sort of crazy s**t are you smoking?!?!?! The User Experience here is fantastic! SO much better than 10.7. Wow ... I'm shocked.

Spirit Dave said,

What sort of crazy s**t are you smoking?!?!?! The User Experience here is fantastic! SO much better than 10.7. Wow ... I'm shocked.

The new views are terrible. You cant have album art on the list views. They took alot of the customization away from their views. Also try adding new music. You cant drag and drop it anymore, at least it didn't when I tried.

But I will say it is MUCH faster.

Xenon said,

The new views are terrible. You cant have album art on the list views. They took alot of the customization away from their views. Also try adding new music. You cant drag and drop it anymore, at least it didn't when I tried.

But I will say it is MUCH faster.

I've ripped every single CD I own to iTunes Match so I can't test the drag and drop! haha. But I don't agree with the views. I love them It's made me very happy But sure, everyone has some idea about UI/UX... I just think this proves you can't make everyone happy.

I still hoping for 10.8.3 update with slow shutdown fix. Then I would happy. (Sadly the first DP of 10.8.3 not fixing slow shutdown, so still need to use the homebrew "ExitTimeOut" fix)

Prediction: A minor UI tweak but not much under-the-hood changes (except those that make jailbreaking iOS devices more difficult)...

ive never had a better music player than foobar2000, but im really curious as to how will the new itunes look and perform, although ive found the options menu of itunes to be so limited that i even ask myself "why the fk it even exists?"

About time...I don't even like iTunes - just bloated and slow but just did a fresh install of Win 8 and don't wanna put 10.7

I really don't mind it. Actually, as a quick way to organize my music, I bought iTunes match and let it do its thing including uploading all of my music. Then I erased my iTunes, reinstalled and re-downloaded everything from the cloud. Bang, instant music organization.

fuzi0719 said,
Where's the "If you run iTunes on Windows you're going to have a bad time" meme?

Well...times change, things change, life changes!
If you're using a meme, just for the sake of using it and /or trolling, that just makes you a fanboy.
I'm a windows user, but i've been using itunes for the past 2 years with no crashes or problems whatsoever and not having any "bad time"...so, i like it.

tomasse said,

Well...times change, things change, life changes!
If you're using a meme, just for the sake of using it and /or trolling, that just makes you a fanboy.
I'm a windows user, but i've been using itunes for the past 2 years with no crashes or problems whatsoever and not having any "bad time"...so, i like it.

I think you left your sense of humor at the apple store

oliver182 said,

I think you left your sense of humor at the apple store


My sense of humor is always with me 24/7. I've never been at an apple store, we don't even have apple stores in my country!

tomasse said,

My sense of humor is always with me 24/7. I've never been at an apple store, we don't even have apple stores in my country!

Well show it once in a while, having fun doesn't make someone a troll/fanboy

oliver182 said,

Well show it once in a while, having fun doesn't make someone a troll/fanboy


oh, "you seem to know a lot about my life, please, tell me more about it", did you see what i did there?

tomasse said,

Well...times change, things change, life changes!
If you're using a meme, just for the sake of using it and /or trolling, that just makes you a fanboy.
I'm a windows user, but i've been using itunes for the past 2 years with no crashes or problems whatsoever and not having any "bad time"...so, i like it.
The humorless is strong in this one. :-P

I'm mainly a foobar user, but I would really like to see iTunes patched up so I can have a better experience on my Mac. I would like too see the wifi sync (all ways drops out or fail to find my iPod) and performance issues fixed.

Tyler R. said,
I'm mainly a foobar user, but I would really like to see iTunes patched up so I can have a better experience on my Mac. I would like too see the wifi sync (all ways drops out or fail to find my iPod) and performance issues fixed.

Is your Mac connected to the network through an Ethernet cable? I can't do WiFi sync from my wire connected machine either, not with my current router. It used to work with the old switch I had with another modem, has something to do with multicasts between the wired and wifi part of the network I think (that's the option that made it work on that switch anyway). I have a laptop connected to the network over WiFi and it can sync iOS devices over WiFi just fine.

Leonick said,

Is your Mac connected to the network through an Ethernet cable? I can't do WiFi sync from my wire connected machine either, not with my current router. It used to work with the old switch I had with another modem, has something to do with multicasts between the wired and wifi part of the network I think (that's the option that made it work on that switch anyway). I have a laptop connected to the network over WiFi and it can sync iOS devices over WiFi just fine.

My Mac is connected via ethernet to a wireless bridge that goes into the router which my iPhone hooks up to directly.

WiFi Sync works pretty well for me.

GS:mac

I sincerely hope that iTunes 11 will feature some major improvements when it comes to speed and stability on Windows, essentially making it at the very least usable...

Robrad said,
I sincerely hope that iTunes 11 will feature some major improvements when it comes to speed and stability on Windows, essentially making it at the very least usable...

It's already perfectly usable. I keep hearing that argument but among the programs I have installed it hardly task first place in being slow, unstable or a resource hog. First place is without a doubt Steam which for some people just seem to accept or not notice how bad it is.

Leonick said,

It's already perfectly usable. I keep hearing that argument but among the programs I have installed it hardly task first place in being slow, unstable or a resource hog. First place is without a doubt Steam which for some people just seem to accept or not notice how bad it is.

Dude, the thing slows down when I click anywhere on a left side tab.

Let's hope the version 11 will be lighter and slicker. 10.7 isn't that bad on OS X, but it sucks hard on Windows.

iTunes isn't a bad product features-wise. It makes a lot of things and it makes it well (and it's simpler than foobar2000 for example) but it's so friggin slow and heavy that it's perceived as a lacking software.

Make it as fast as Windows Media Player or foobar, and it's a killer app

This really better not require 10.8.2, when Mac Mini users can't even get the latest update. I just got mine yesterday. -_-

The box for a new iPad 4 explicitly mentions needing iTunes 11 to sync. They obviously expected it to be ready when they were packing inventory. It seems that the 10.7 branch of iTunes 10, adding support for iOS 6, was created to accommodate the delay.

It's a pity it's been delayed but hopefully this is the overhaul iTunes has sorely been needing.

singularity87 said,
The box for a new iPad 4 explicitly mentions needing iTunes 11 to sync. They obviously expected it to be ready when they were packing inventory. It seems that the 10.7 branch of iTunes 10, adding support for iOS 6, was created to accommodate the delay.

It's a pity it's been delayed but hopefully this is the overhaul iTunes has sorely been needing.


I heard its been recoded from scratch which is both good and bad.

I think we'll be getting a real nice media manager, I just hope that my usual workflows will convert nicely to the new UI.
I like the design of the new iTunes, I just hope I'll be as productive.
(I have iTunes OCD, so yeah, I need to be productive and have a glance at everything. )

GS:mac

einsteinbqat said,
As I said jokingly in the Forums, Jony Ive must have told the engineering team to rework the UI! LOL

He must have missed the marketing team then, as their website still shows the same old screenshots of version 11...

But yeah, when they announced the delay one month ago, that was my initial thought, too.

GS:mac

FalseAgent said,
I hate being that guy, but even Zune and the Xbox Music app give me a superior media experience than iTunes.

You're on Neowin.
Around here you definitely are not "that guy".

GS:mac

FalseAgent said,
I hate being that guy, but even Zune and the Xbox Music app give me a superior media experience than iTunes.

The Xbox Music app? Are you kidding me? While I think it has actually found all my music now it still fails completely at finding the cover art (an issue WMP doesn't have even if it does tend to spontaneously ignore metadata) and the UI is so bad. Sort by artist, select one and oh, I can't pick an album from here?

The Zune app is nice though. Still, only thing I've ever missed in iTunes is a "now playing" kind of playlist that shows everything currently queued up and lets me add songs to that.

FalseAgent said,
I hate being that guy, but even Zune and the Xbox Music app give me a superior media experience than iTunes.

Zune maybe, but by mentioning the Xbox Music app of Windows 8 you just lost all credibility as far as I'm concerned.

.Neo said,

Zune maybe, but by mentioning the Xbox Music app of Windows 8 you just lost all credibility as far as I'm concerned.

55 minutes to "update" my iTunes library from the previous version of iTunes (on an i7 with only messenger running). Because it is single threaded, I had to wait that long to actually use the program. It wiped out much of the metadata for my music so now album art no longer shows in other software like Zune. Still doesn't play WMA without needing to convert (even though the codecs are available on Windows). The animation when clicking on an album and that panel is slow. Duplicated songs. Almost triple the amount of memory used over Zune. Copies much of the Zune UI. Not touch friendly.

Yep, I would say it is worse than any of Microsoft's offerings. Win8 Music may not be the best music player, but so far iTunes has not shown to me that it is better. And it is certainly no Zune.

It took less than 5 minutes on my Windows 8 box with Core i5 at work... Our media library is substantial in size and no metadata was lost. You cannot seriously begin to compare the Xbox app to either iTunes or Zune. Personally I couldn't care less about WMA. iTunes isn't touch-friendly because it's a desktop app, honestly no idea why you even bring that one up.

Edited by .Neo, Nov 30 2012, 2:52am :

.Neo said,
It took less than 5 minutes on my Windows 8 box with Core i5 at work... Our media library is substantial in size and no metadata was lost. You cannot seriously begin to compare the Xbox app to either iTunes or Zune. Personally I couldn't care less about WMA. iTunes isn't touch-friendly because it's a desktop app, honestly no idea why you even bring that one up.

Well good for you that it went so fast. For me it took 55 minutes, with a blocking UI thread. That is unacceptable, lazy development. Zune has never blocked the UI to update, and I would think that Apple devs, if they were to "copy" (not really copying as in the stealing sense, but to make it work right) something it would be this. Zune, WMP, and Windows music get this right, why not iTunes? And good for you that it didn't mess up your metadata. It did for me. Deleting data is just unacceptable, it is not acceptable for any Microsoft software, and it is not acceptable for Apple software.

I don't care that you don't care about WMA support. If they want to work in a Windows world, they should make it work with Windows. It is important to me, and until they fix this, it is just a piece of software that I use to sync my iPad. Zune plays it, WMP plays it Windows Music plays it, why not iTunes? Zune and Windows Music plays iTunes music just fine - I am using the player on my Surface right now to listen to an AC/DC song I bought from iTunes a few days ago. If Microsoft is competent enough to do it, you would think Apple would find a way to use the codes built into Windows to play it. They can read them, being they offered to convert, but they are just stuck in doing it only their way.

I use my Surface to connect over remote desktop to my desktop computer. Zune and WMP were killed before Win8 was released, Windows Music is touch friendly, but iTunes was released before Win8 shipped, so why not make it touch friendly? And when I get that Surface Pro, even less of a reason to run iTunes on it.

ITunes just is not giving me a reason to switch. It ruined my music library, so how can I trust it going forward not to do it "The Apple way, and only the Apple way?"

mm.. i'll take a look for sure if it is redesigned. tried to use the existing version last night which was a bit painful

MsftGaurav said,
I thought it used to be completely redesigned for every version?

It hasn't been redesigned since iTunes 9 at least, I can't remember any versions before that.

TheGreek said,
I hope they update the windows version too!

Isn't the Windows version of iTunes dead like Safari for Windows?

Zeet said,

Isn't the Windows version of iTunes dead like Safari for Windows?

Of course not. The most popular OS in the world not being able to be used with Apple's products?

Zeet said,

Isn't the Windows version of iTunes dead like Safari for Windows?

With that logic I'd have to buy a Mac just to sync an iphone/ipod/ipad...

About time really. They already delayed it once by not releasing it in October, and almost all of November has passed as well. I don't understand what so much they have to do with a single application, to delay it so much.

XMac said,
About time really. They already delayed it once by not releasing it in October, and almost all of November has passed as well. I don't understand what so much they have to do with a single application, to delay it so much.

Lets hope theyre improving its performance on the Windows client (wishful thinking i know)

ingramator said,
bout friggin time

Clearly Apple is struggling in software innovation, if they are having issues developing iTunes and iMaps. Then how will they cope with an iOS refresh which it probably needs in the next few years.

Gaffney said,

Clearly Apple is struggling in software innovation, if they are having issues developing iTunes and iMaps. Then how will they cope with an iOS refresh which it probably needs in the next few years.

90% chance apple will not "refresh" iOS in coming years, why would they? they have no reason to... it's still selling, and they don't want to push people off a UI that people understand... just like how OSX is still the same UI from Mac OS's old days... just more colorful and a new backend OS

neufuse said,

90% chance apple will not "refresh" iOS in coming years, why would they? they have no reason to... it's still selling, and they don't want to push people off a UI that people understand... just like how OSX is still the same UI from Mac OS's old days... just more colorful and a new backend OS


Human nature dictates that people get bored and demand change. Every Mobile OS has always waited until the last moment to bring in a change. Symbian, Windows Mobile and Blackberry soon enough it will be Apple's turn. Will they wait until the userbase is a fraction of it's current size or will they take action before that?

neufuse said,

90% chance apple will not "refresh" iOS in coming years, why would they? they have no reason to... it's still selling, and they don't want to push people off a UI that people understand... just like how OSX is still the same UI from Mac OS's old days... just more colorful and a new backend OS


A system is not going to be good forever, just how Amsterdam was once the worlds central trading spot. They did not change their system, which gave France and Great-Britain the chance to strive far above Amsterdam in terms of trading. And they did... So Apple will have to change or else it's doomed to fail