KIN ONE and TWO resurrected and returning to Verizon

KIN Returns

It seems like yesterday when Microsoft CEO, Steve Ballmer, said that the KIN ONE and TWO were taking away attention from Windows Phone 7 and, therefore, had to be discontinued. It also seems like yesterday when Microsoft employees felt embarrased by the failure that the product was.

Yet, somehow, none of that really matters anymore. PPCGeeks got their hands on a leaked Verizon roadmap, and guess what two devices make an encore appearance? It seems that the Kin is making a comeback and will be called the KIN ONEm and KIN TWOm. It's unclear that the "m" stands for, but hopefully it stands for the "money" Microsoft hopes to recover from the first KIN failure.

It seems, according to Engadget, who have confirmed the leak roadmap, that the phones are able to run off of the usual Verizon data plans (or used without one) and be pitted against regular ol' powerful smartphones. However, it's very possible/likely that this whole re-release thing could just be a way for Verizon and Microsoft to clear out their excess KIN inventory. Either way, the KIN is returning before year's end. Looks like someone's prayer to Santa just got answered.

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Wow talk about a contradiction in reporting.

You're totally misquoted engadget. They said the reason the Kin was a failure the first time round was because it was tied to data, and thus competed with smartphones.

Besides the slide says it's a feature phone.
sorry, bad reporting.

Cool, instead of them being crappy smartphones they're awesome feature phones.
Already bought a Crux though, I wish I knew earlier, would of waited...

Personally I think it makes more sense for them to come to Boost Mobile, Virgin, and Cricket, more so than the major networks. There you can get an affordable ($40) plan and properly use the device without worrying that you are going to have extra charges. Pushing a $70 plan for those devices will just make them fail again.

Drewidian said,
Personally I think it makes more sense for them to come to Boost Mobile, Virgin, and Cricket, more so than the major networks. There you can get an affordable ($40) plan and properly use the device without worrying that you are going to have extra charges. Pushing a $70 plan for those devices will just make them fail again.

Yeah, but it appears that they are not pushing the high end plan again... If this can be used on a standard plan (As it appears is the plan), this could do very well.

This is criminal. Verizon is trying to ditch inventory of a product that has no upgrade path. Microsoft should step in and stop this. Or buy the inventory back from Verizon. That seems better than putting more of these phones out there that they will have to support.

asdavis10 said,
This is criminal. Verizon is trying to ditch inventory of a product that has no upgrade path. Microsoft should step in and stop this. Or buy the inventory back from Verizon. That seems better than putting more of these phones out there that they will have to support.

I'm not entirely sure how you came to the conclusion that this is "criminal". There is no law, regulation, or moral requirement that says that a products has to be upgradeable. This wouldn't work in real life!

As long as the products works as it is advertised, and is supported by a warranty, then that is all that is required. I really don't know where you get your entitlement to an "upgrade path" for a product line from.

Going by your theory, most products sold would be "criminal", as due to the nature of technology, most products are "old" once they hit the shelves, as something is already being developed behind closed doors to replace them (which may or may not be considered "an upgrade")

Should I sue Commodore since they didn't release an upgrade to the Amiga?

It is really up to the consumer to do their research beforehand when it comes to a product line's lifespan.

rtire said,

I'm not entirely sure how you came to the conclusion that this is "criminal".

Never heard of an expression?

Vinay Kumar said,
Are they free with a phone purchase , cuz no one would buy otherwise ....

But ya...... Why?


Because you don't read the article?

It speculates on why, and the speculation makes sense. Verizon killed the Kin on purpose, but it did so too quickly, and as such, has unsold hardware. It is hoping to capitalize on the holiday market to ditch the old phones and free up some space in the warehouses.

Engadget says they will be DEBUNDLED from Data.

"and we're hearing that the revised phones will be totally, completely debundled from data services. "

BoyBoppins said,
Engadget says they will be DEBUNDLED from Data.

"and we're hearing that the revised phones will be totally, completely debundled from data services. "

It sounds like they're going to be doing it right this time. Requiring a high end data plan for a device that is "in between" a basic phone and a smart phone is silly. Especially when it's target demographic is teens... Who would get a high end data plan for their teen? The phone seems to be very good for that demographic's needs, but the required plans killed it promptly.

It seems, according to Engadget, who have confirmed the leak roadmap, that the phones will run off of the usual Verizon data plans and be pitted against regular ol' powerful smartphones.
What's the point of them then...might as well leave them to die. Who would want pay $70 per month for what is, at best, a feature phone. Might as well get a discounted Android device for that much..like say the Motorola Droid or the Droid incredible...

Or maybe Verizon is just ****ed that they got no WP7 devices..

/- Razorfold said,
What's the point of them then...might as well leave them to die. Who would want pay $70 per month for what is, at best, a feature phone. Might as well get a discounted Android device for that much..like say the Motorola Droid or the Droid incredible...

Or maybe Verizon is just ****ed that they got no WP7 devices..

the plan is cheaper now because they dont need to be on a data plan.. so that does not make it a 70 dollar plan anymore..

/- Razorfold said,

Or maybe Verizon is just ****ed that they got no WP7 devices..

Im confused by that , i mean isnt the reason why they didnt release WP7 is cuz they thought it wud be like the kin? and here we have the kin being put back on their network?
my only hope would be that this could be that the sales of WP7 are good and theyd like it on their network, but isnt that kinda bold to stick something ****ty back on just to get something good? oh well...

auziez said,

Im confused by that , i mean isnt the reason why they didnt release WP7 is cuz they thought it wud be like the kin?

The reason that they don't have any WP7 phones is because it is not CDMA compatible as yet.

Joyette S said,

The reason that they don't have any WP7 phones is because it is not CDMA compatible as yet.

I don't think that's it. I talked with Verizon corporate and they said that they are releasing at least one in early 2011.

A data manager there told me also that Verizon is changing the way that they want data access to be handled by the phones and that has pushed some devices back. Basically, they want the phone to completely disconnect from the data channel when the data calls are done by the OS so that they can support more users instead of leaving the channel open and not sending anything across as they do today. As you can imagine, this would probably break most any kind of push notifications done by anyone (google, activesync protocol, blackberry, etc). GSM doesn't have these problems due to the way it works.

Also, there is a very $$ reason that Android has gotten the push it did from Verizon and it comes from Google.

joshua.barker said,

I don't think that's it. I talked with Verizon corporate and they said that they are releasing at least one in early 2011.

A data manager there told me also that Verizon is changing the way that they want data access to be handled by the phones and that has pushed some devices back. Basically, they want the phone to completely disconnect from the data channel when the data calls are done by the OS so that they can support more users instead of leaving the channel open and not sending anything across as they do today. As you can imagine, this would probably break most any kind of push notifications done by anyone (google, activesync protocol, blackberry, etc). GSM doesn't have these problems due to the way it works.

Also, there is a very $ reason that Android has gotten the push it did from Verizon and it comes from Google.

Um... The reason (From Microsoft) that WP7 has not yet released on Verizon or Sprint (Both CDMA networks) is because they did not have time to get CDMA support into the OS. They have stated that they plan to finalize CDMA support and release on Verizon and Sprint the first half of 2011. Hopefully they'll also work in support for Verizon's upcoming 4G service as well. But that's the official reason it is not yet out on Verizon or Sprint.

As for the re-release of the KIN, if it doesn't require a high end plan, I could definitely see this taking off. The reason it failed was because it required ridiculous plans, not because of the device (Which I still think is great for the teen crowd).