Laptops suffer battery, keyboard issues with Leopard

Apple's release of Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard appears to have brought with it battery drain and intermittent keyboard freezing issues, which are plaguing some MacBook and MacBook Pro owners. Numerous posts in Apple's support forums for both notebooks detail an issue that essentially shuts down the keyboard at random intervals, and affected owners report having to restart or wake their systems if the problem doesn't resolve itself in good time. Trackpads and external keyboards still function normally, however, as noted by AppleInsider.

Users attempting to correct the problem have gone so far as to reset the affected notebook's PRAM (Parameter Random Access Memory) to no avail. Users also say they are still experiencing the problem on freshly-installed Macs, which effectively rules out third-party software as the culprit.

The frozen keyboard issue appears to afflict Apple-branded Intel-based notebook of all ages, with freezes beginning immediately for some or become more frequent over time. The issue persists through Apple's latest Mac OS X 10.5.1 update, and users report experiencing no problems when running Tiger for months prior to their latest upgrade.

Some users suggest that force-quitting Finder temporarily re-activates the keyboard, and one forum poster said he noticed his internal keyboard disappearing from the USB device list in Apple's System Profiler utility whenever the input device was unresponsive.

Battery life issues tied to Leopard release?

There appears to be no quick solution, however, for users encountering shortened battery life on MacBooks converted to Leopard. Some users are reporting on Apple's forums that where Tiger allowed a normal three hours or so of notebook use, they are now down to two or less. "My laptop has become unportable," says a poster in one thread.

Apple does not yet have an official solution for the problem, and has not replied to complaints. It has been suggested by users that the problem may be attributable to taxing new features in Leopard, particularly its enhanced graphical interface. A solution claimed by one user is unrelated, though, and involves fully draining and recharging a battery, and then repeating the process. Many users further say that the draining technique has not worked for them.

News source: MacNN
Link: AppleInsider: MacBook, MacBook Pro owners suffer keyboard freezing with Leopard

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hotdog963al said,
I haven't had any problems with Leopard
And it's much more advanced than that vista thing, that's for sure!

Obviously that "vista thing" isn't for you. You stick with your Mac and have fun.

m@c n00bs out there that need to pay people like me to fix their macs when they do stupid stuff like put a slice of cheese in the DVD drive.

Isn't that a coffee holder for the laptop? ... he .. he ..


I'm not a fan of the mac ... I prefer MS windows XP Pro or Gentoo for my Linux distro ...

david13lt said,
Have MacBook and Leopard, zero problems.

lucky you.

Seriously, is sad to hear all the problems people are getting with Leopard. Let's hope that it's install base doesn't grow to much or it might as well be targeted by virus and spyware makers (i don't know what kind of things can we found if this happens).

All companies have to test better and not rush their products. This is happening with OS's, Apps, Games and almost every Gadget out there.

This all makes for users to start thinking about other choices no matter how cool or appealing the product is. We need that Apple slogan, "It just works" for everything computer-related...

Let's start "I will never switch to Leopard..." topic lol

I'll never switch to MacOS X period, but I will fool around with some test installs of it 'till the cows come home. Not because I wanna use the OS myself, but because there are plenty of m@c n00bs out there that need to pay people like me to fix their macs when they do stupid stuff like put a slice of cheese in the DVD drive.

Croquant said,
there are plenty of m@c n00bs out there that need to pay people like me to fix their macs when they do stupid stuff like put a slice of cheese in the DVD drive.

That's silly. DVD drives don't cook very well. The best way to grill cheese is by putting it between a pair of 2900XT's in Crossfire. That's 450 watts of grilling power.

Croquant said,
I'll never switch to MacOS X period, but I will fool around with some test installs of it 'till the cows come home. Not because I wanna use the OS myself, but because there are plenty of m@c n00bs out there that need to pay people like me to fix their macs when they do stupid stuff like put a slice of cheese in the DVD drive.

That's for sure. That's one of the main reasons I'm going to buy a mac. I love getting paid to fix people's problems.

toadeater said,

That's silly. DVD drives don't cook very well. The best way to grill cheese is by putting it between a pair of 2900XT's in Crossfire. That's 450 watts of grilling power.


My sandwich maker got 1200 watts! And it's got 1 button to open the lid which always works, so it beats the Mac. But it's got no battery life at all, so after all the Mac pwnz my sandwich maker. What a sad day :'-(

aww..... more problems with Mac..... wait, i thought Mac OS is bug free! whoa! i'm like, totally shocked! :-p These recent stories illustrate just how ignorant the Apple fanbase is by asserting year after year that Mac OS is bug and vulnerability free. Lets face it, the only reason Apple hasn't had as many vulnerabilities found is because no one wants to spend the time finding them.... People who make viruses want to take as many computers down as they can.... cripple the internet backbones, render home users' computers useless, cause a lot of monetary damage, etc..... you can't do that by exploiting Mac OS systems... Things would look different if Mac had the bigger numbers, i guarantee it.

I just got a new macbook and it i have had some keyboard unresponsiveness a few times, but i didn't think much of it i guess. The battery life seems to be ok i'm used to having a P4 3.2 That sucked the battery so well it killed it.

evo_spook said,
Nope wrong, the Mac has the bigger choice of legal OS then any vista PC

Back at you on the troll post there

True.

But the reply would be that you still can't play/tinker with the insides like you can with a generic (in this context, non-mac) PC.

No matter how much you or I don't care - or no longer care - about messing around in a case, and this illusion of "choice" people speak of, the whole argument will still get you nowhere.

Hey, I could certainly go to a Mac fanboy site, where we could all sing the praises of Apple, unhindered. But it's more fun to stick around here, and at least you get the opportunity to get into a fun back-and-forth with people around here who have a sense of humour, like RAID. Croquant is another example.

So just roll with it and have fun. There's always another news story around the corner . . .

LTD said,

True.

But the reply would be that you still can't play/tinker with the insides like you can with a generic (in this context, non-mac) PC.

No matter how much you or I don't care - or no longer care - about messing around in a case, and this illusion of "choice" people speak of, the whole argument will still get you nowhere.

Hey, I could certainly go to a Mac fanboy site, where we could all sing the praises of Apple, unhindered. But it's more fun to stick around here, and at least you get the opportunity to get into a fun back-and-forth with people around here who have a sense of humour, like RAID. Croquant is another example.

So just roll with it and have fun. There's always another news story around the corner . . . ;)

This is EXACLY why I like coming here. When LTD and I get into a little banter, we do not (normally) resort to name calling. Using facts (and stating personal preference) usually helps get your point across better than using personal attacks. You should try it sometime, evo.

RAID 0 said,

This is EXACLY why I like coming here. When LTD and I get into a little banter, we do not (normally) resort to name calling. Using facts (and stating personal preference) usually helps get your point across better than using personal attacks. You should try it sometime, evo.

+1 it so much fun to argue with LTD

how do you come up with that maths, a vista PC has a choice of 7 legal OS's. mac has what 1 or 2. a lot of what you say makes no sense at all

whocares78 said,
how do you come up with that maths, a vista PC has a choice of 7 legal OS's. mac has what 1 or 2. a lot of what you say makes no sense at all

No, see... in the "field that distorts"... it DOES make sense!

RAID 0 said,

No, see... in the "field that distorts"... it DOES make sense! :blink:

what i find funny, is he has tried making out that he has used every OS under the sun, yet seems to have no idea about any of them, even mac

whocares78 said,
how do you come up with that maths, a vista PC has a choice of 7 legal OS's. mac has what 1 or 2. a lot of what you say makes no sense at all

Actually, to be fair to the Mac users: they have just as many choices of OSes as the rest of the PC crowd plus their very own OS X. Your sentence made it sound as if Linux distros are made to fail upon installation on Intel-based Macs.

rm20010 said,

Actually, to be fair to the Mac users: they have just as many choices of OSes as the rest of the PC crowd plus their very own OS X. Your sentence made it sound as if Linux distros are made to fail upon installation on Intel-based Macs.

well actually as he did clearly state vista PC, then i assumed he meant OSX computer, i know assuming is bad but you can't even vbegin to compare a slice of apple to a whole orange, if he said mac has more legal OS than windwos then yewah he is partly right they have MAC OS, however i am fairly sure but not positive that if i payed for a license of OSX and i had the right motherboard that supports it, then can i not install it also legally on a PC, in which case the whole comment is still ridiculous

Reading your Vista troll post.... :rolleyes:

Its not as if we could switch to Leopard. We would have to buy a whole new overpriced Mac to do that. With the PC at least you have a much bigger choice of OSes other than Windows.

kouhii00 said,
<off-topic>now where are the I will NEVER switch to VISTA trolls...</off-topic>

Yes, you are off topic. Do you want a medal or something?

You know... I'd be concerned about all the windows 'fan boys' bashing Apple... If it wasn't for the fact that Apple has commercials basing Windows all the time. So, it's not that the Apple fans don't bash Microsoft... It's just that Apple does it enough for most of them on the airwaves under the guise humor.

Macbook Pro owner here, x1600 edition. No problems with Leopard, and I even upgrade installed. Seems to be a lot of FUD these days. Blue screens with Leopard are cause entirely by 3rd party crap (APE), and haxies. My battery life is the same from Tiger to Leopard.

ZenPirate said,
Macbook Pro owner here, x1600 edition. No problems with Leopard, and I even upgrade installed. Seems to be a lot of FUD these days. Blue screens with Leopard are cause entirely by 3rd party crap (APE), and haxies. My battery life is the same from Tiger to Leopard.

Oh, can it. This "FUD" comes from Apple's own support site.

welcome to the wolrd of windows, we have been tryign to tell the mac fanboyus this for years, know of any blue screesn that are caused by windows itself???

third party stuff is what casues problmes with OS's it's not new theory, just mac users havent had to worry about it before as mac wouldn't let third partys make stuff

whocares78 said,
welcome to the wolrd of windows, we have been tryign to tell the mac fanboyus this for years, know of any blue screesn that are caused by windows itself???

third party stuff is what casues problmes with OS's it's not new theory, just mac users havent had to worry about it before as mac wouldn't let third partys make stuff

What about all the stupendously priced LaCie hard drives that would stop working when Apple fixed modified the OS so that the drivers didn't work anymore?

GreyWolfSC said,

What about all the stupendously priced LaCie hard drives that would stop working when Apple fixed modified the OS so that the drivers didn't work anymore?

well ok they havent had to worry about it as much as MS. pretty much all these OSX issues coming to the forefront tells me that mac isn't as good and secure and reliable a the fanboys make it out to be.

I suffered keyboard freezes on 10.4 and they continue on 10.5. Doesn't happen too often, Most of the time, closing the macbook and then opening it back up fixes the issues. A few times, I had to reboot.

My MacBook Pro is no longer usable as a laptop. I have it plugged in and am using an external keyboard full time now, which really sucks :(. For some reason I've had tons of problems with leopard, and thanks to the fact that my Mac is over 90 days old I don't get any phone support.

I can confirm that my macbook pro runs vista ultimate just wonderfully. So, I haven't been affected by 10.5 issues on the partition I never boot.

When I first got my powerbook, it was able to do just over 4 hours, but with a change of hard drive and age, a charge now seems to last about 15 mins, such is the way with any laptop whether its running osx, xp, vista or linux

RealFduch said,
Proove or GTFO.
Show me notebook which is several years old and can run linux for only 15 minutes.

are you telling me that Linux can revitilise battery power?

RealFduch said,
Proove or GTFO.
Show me notebook which is several years old and can run linux for only 15 minutes.

I've got an old HP Omnibook 800CT - Pentium 133, 48MB ram, and the version of RedHat I tried on it a couple of years ago barely made it to the login prompt before petering out- took about 3 minutes to get there too.

Regression_88 said,

I've got an old HP Omnibook 800CT - Pentium 133, 48MB ram, and the version of RedHat I tried on it a couple of years ago barely made it to the login prompt before petering out- took about 3 minutes to get there too.

yes cause battery and electronics has very little to do with OS to a certain point, as I pointed out before the linux troll rudely interputted

umm no i have a ten year old toshiba that stil lasts an hour or 2

can you please just posting, you really do not seem to have any idea at all about what your talking.

your battery is old and crappy thast why its ****!!!

2 hours or less? I laugh at that considering I don't even get an hour in Windows XP with the battery that came with my laptop unless my lid is closed (effectively turning off the screen), in which case I get about 1-1/2 hours. I agree that it does hinder portability though. After all, if you can't use it reliably, there is no point in bringing it with you. +1 for external storage media.

Croquant said,
Don't blame Windows just because your laptop battery sucks. Go out and get a better battery, you genius. Sheesh.
Yeah, I know. That's why I did. I was merely comparing the similarity of the two situations. :P

It seems strange you lot slamming Apple Fan boys when the only childish comments on display within this thread are all coming from Windows fan boys, now if we go and invade a windows news post slamming Vista defects you'd all be the first to throw you're toys out of the pram.

evo_spook said,
It seems strange you lot slamming Apple Fan boys when the only childish comments on display within this thread are all coming from Windows fan boys, now if we go and invade a windows news post slamming Vista defects you'd all be the first to throw you're toys out of the pram.

Apple fanboys are natural trools. They behave just like there God tells them to. On the other hand Windows users usually don't give a ****.

RealFduch said,

Apple fanboys are natural trools. They behave just like there God tells them to. On the other hand Windows users usually don't give a ****.

whereas windows users just act like ******s

evo_spook said,

whereas windows users just act like ******s

You know what? Every time I see one of your posts, you never have any type of facts of figures to back up what you say. All you do is name call. Troll this, ****heads that.... I bet you're the type of guy who would never say anything like the stuff you post to ANYONE'S face. You know what that makes you?

RAID 0 said,

You know what? Every time I see one of your posts, you never have any type of facts of figures to back up what you say. All you do is name call. Troll this, ****heads that.... I bet you're the type of guy who would never say anything like the stuff you post to ANYONE'S face. You know what that makes you?

Does it start with a 'p'?

Macs are known for 'simplicity' right?

The keyboard thing is obviously just an experimental feature turning on. Keyboards have far too many buttons. They might confuse the user. They're just trying to simplify the experience for you by disabling it.

Hey, that was the plan with the one-button Mac-mouse.

Mac users would look at a three-button Windows mouse and their brains just would not be able to handle it. So they'd have to stick with a mac. I mean, you have five fingers. FIVE! How on earth are you supposed to be able to use more than one button on your mouse? It's crazy, I tell you CRAZZZYYY!!!!!

But then some bright spark put another button on a Mac mouse (something that had NEVER EVER been done before, by the way. Naver. Nope. Not at all. Not in the slightest. Well, xdcept for the various time that some Windows hardware mice did it, but they don't count. Becasue the Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Filter* is in effect here) and the rest is history.


*patent pending.

This is simply not possible. I saw an Apple commercial just last night that said OSX was way better than Vista because it worked on the same hardware without having to do anything at all.

evo_spook said,
Good to see that you are keeping up with Trolling apple news storys.

<snipped>

Well, LTD and RAID both cancel each other out. So in fact, there are no trolls!

evo_spook said,

Good to see that you are keeping up with Trolling apple news storys.

<snipped>.

Personal attack? One could suspect that you have no argument to counter mine. That's how a child would argue.

LTD said,

It's what maintains the balance in the Force.

See, HE KNOWS! HIGH FIVE!

We're still having trouble figuring out which one of us is using the dark-side.

Wow, discovering what we've always known since the beginning. When you do a major OS upgrade, there are always problems. So far, I've experienced personally or had to deal with other people's upgrades since Dos 3.0, Windows 3.0, Mac OS 6, various Novell systems, SCO Unix (not that Caldera Cruft, but the real thing) and any number of Linux Variants. Guess what, there's always something. Deal with it.

And also major version changes are best done from scratch (in-place upgrades usually are a recipe for disaster) and usually on a complete new computer system (they always need more memory, drive space and processor performance). Doesn't matter what your OS religion of choice is, progress is costly. :nuts:

That frozen keyboard thing sounds pretty cool, so far, I've only experienced it as an extreme static electricity problem, usually solvable by unplugging the keyboard so its microprocessor would reset. Neat software feature, Microsoft needs to duplicate it.

And people where whining about Vistas apparently lower battery life... and slammed for it...

Dont really see the same from the Windows fanboys with this news...

How strange :P

That's because Windows Fanboys (a wholly owned subsidiary of Microsoft Inc.) already "know" that Apple makes "overpriced crap that isn't worth buying", so they're not surprised that Leopard (or Leo-tard, as they like to call it) has issues.

Well, that and it's the Turkey Day Weekend, so they're all at home watching football and stuffing their faces. Occasionally some of them wander in here and post their usual "OMFG APPLE SUXORS" nonsense, but then they usually get distracted by something shiny and move on to other stupidity. Like something Xbox based. Once in a while an Apple Macfan and a Windows Fanboy will collide. If that happens proceed in a calm and orderly fashion to the nearest Flame Shelter while the brave men and women of the Neowin Moderation Service risk their sanity and their bandwidth to stop the inevitable Flame War.
:sniff: God bless our Moderator Corps. Let's have a moment of silence for all of them who laid down their fingers to preserve the sanctity of our forums. :disappointed:

Mac OS X 10.0 Cheetah through 10.4 Tiger spotted a Quartz rendered GUI which heavily relies on the Mac's GPU card. This didn't change with Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard. So how is it possible that the Aqua interface is now suddenly affecting battery life this dramatic?

The new Core Animation API is nothing more than an easier means to create animated GUI elements without using excessive amounts of custom code. It still relies on the same Quartz rendering engine used by Mac OS X since its initial release in 2001 right?

yudi_lks said,
constant dock reflection surely eats up the battery life

The 3D Dock doesn't seem to use any more resources than the 2D one. Not even when actively moving a window directly above it.

Apple works differently to Windows. Mac OS X is a brand of operating system, it's the fifth version of this brand of operating system. Steve Jobs has said before that Mac OS X is the next decades of the Mac OS.

FYI XP was NT 5.1

eilegz said,
new OS, more powerful means eat more memory and battery seems natural and logic to me....

That must be the most retarded thing ive ever read

whistlerxp said,
Apple works differently to Windows. Mac OS X is a brand of operating system, it's the fifth version of this brand of operating system. Steve Jobs has said before that Mac OS X is the next decades of the Mac OS.

FYI XP was NT 5.1

Oh, so what Mr. Jobs says is the end-all truth?

BTW, I never mentioned ANYTHING about XP being a "new" OS. Did I? Nope, can't say I did. Since you brought it up, what is Vista? 5.2?

eilegz said,
new OS, more powerful means eat more memory and battery seems natural and logic to me....

Vista had the same problem with batteries as well. It was soon fixed.

Foub said,

Vista had the same problem with batteries as well. It was soon fixed.

well vista still drains more battery than XP...

eilegz said,
well vista still drains more battery than XP...

It also does more work. With Aero alone, I'd expect shorter battery life since graphics are hungry beasts.

eilegz said,
well vista still drains more battery than XP...

Well, Vista is a drain overall on just about everything. Ubuntu has all of the features of Vista and none of its issues.

Foub said,

Well, Vista is a drain overall on just about everything. Ubuntu has all of the features of Vista and none of its issues.

Linux has DirectX 10 now?

RAID 0 said,
Linux has DirectX 10 now?

There are DirectX 10 games out now? It will soon enough when there is a call for it to be added into WINE. BTW, you can add DX 10 even to XP.

RAID 0 said,
BTW, I never mentioned ANYTHING about XP being a "new" OS. Did I? Nope, can't say I did. Since you brought it up, what is Vista? 5.2? :rolleyes:
No, that was Windows Server 2003. Windows Vista is 6.0, as is Windows Server 2008.

JamesNL said,
No, that was Windows Server 2003. Windows Vista is 6.0, as is Windows Server 2008.

I know. Sarcasm is kinda hard to pick up sometimes.

Foub said,

There are DirectX 10 games out now? It will soon enough when there is a call for it to be added into WINE. BTW, you can add DX 10 even to XP.

Oh do tell how!

excalpius said,

It also does more work. With Aero alone, I'd expect shorter battery life since graphics are hungry beasts. :)

the same i could say about leopard, my analogy of newer OS eat more battery than older OS its a fact.

Foub said,
There are DirectX 10 games out now?

Yes. Yes there are. Go play Crysis on a Vista gaming machine and watch DX10 do it's stuff. Thanks for asking. Next question.
Foub said,
It will soon enough when there is a call for it to be added into WINE.

Uh, no. The entire Linux fanbase can call for DirectX to be "added" into WINE all they want but Microsoft's not going to do it. DirectX is what corners the PC gaming market for Microsoft and they'd be idiots to allow it to run someone else's platform. In case you han't noticed, they have a monopoly in that area and nobody's going to stop them.
Foub said,
BTW, you can add DX 10 even to XP.
Oh really? How? I haven't seen real DX 10 on XP and neither have you. Reverse OpenGL wrappers are not a DX 10 API, no matter how much you might want them to be. Wishing doesn't make it so, OK? To do it for real you'd have to either steal the source code or reverse engineer the hell out of DX 10, and in either case Microsoft would sue your ass into oblivion if you posted it publicly. RIP, Alky Project.