Latest Microsoft ad: Laptop hunting Sheila

Microsoft is continuing its ad campaign named "laptop hunters".

Yesterday the company unveiled Sheila, hunting for a laptop that could cut video and has a big screen as Sheila is an artist. Microsoft decided to attack the fact Macbooks often come with a small amount of RAM, 2GB in the example they used. Hardened Mac fans could argue, "why not upgrade the RAM?" which is a valid point as less seems to have been made about the price point in this episode.

Either way the laptop hunter adverts have certainly triggered debate, criticism and applause from the many thousands that have watched them both here at Neowin and comments throughout various online forums.

Microsoft's latest ad campaign began with Lauren in March this year. With the "I'm a PC" ad campaign gathering pace and positive feedback for Windows 7, who knows what Microsoft has up its sleeve for Windows 7 marketing?

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Laptop will have small screens, PC and Mac.

Macs dominate the graphic and newspaper business, they are far superior to a windows based system. Turn this ad around, ask why Vista needs so much power and RAM

I am neither a mac fanboi or a PC fanboi. I like my PCs (except for the crashes, don't attack me for saying that, because in my case it's true) and I like my mac (has crashed maybe twice sine i bought it). They both do what I need them to do. That being said, below is why I disagree with this Microsoft Ad.

I had an unlimited budget when I bought my Macbook Pro 15" 2.2ghz C2D. The total cost came to approx $2300 (canadian) after changing the ram to 4gb (did it myself via. a local pc store). My requirement for this laptop was for film editing, and it needed to be certified for customer support from the company that makes the software for editing. I had 2 options, this run of the mill, 'pricey' mac laptop fully certified, or an HP laptop with the significant difference being that it had 4gb of ram and a workstation graphics card (since I game too that wasn't an option). Any guesses as to what the HP cost. No it wasn't $2000, it was actually nearly $4000 at the time. Would it have been any better for editing? Not a chance. Also, by using a mac, i can when needed use other editing apps (ie. FCPro, which i can't stand... but that's another story).

I use Avid Media Composer to do my film editing, both at work and at home. I know someone like her may not be ready for something as high end as Avid Media Composer, but what does she do when she decides she wants to use a more professional application? She has to cough up even more money for a certified laptop, because of strict support regulations.

All that being said, as a filmmaker or editor, you don't just "go out and get" a laptop that someone 'says' is good for video and film editing, you research your needs. In my case I spent a few months preparing for my purchase.

NOTE: Don't attack me with any updated certified hardware lists, this was a year ago when I did this purchase, and the information and prices were current at that time.

This ad doesn't feel genuine to me. Most video editors I know (myself included) use a workstation class computer to edit. If I was getting a new laptop I would want it to be capable of video editing, but I would know most of my work would be done on my desktop.

As others have said Final Cut Pro is the industry standard for editing and it only runs on a Mac. With professionals it's not really as much about the money but about getting quality gear. In my opinion she should have spent the extra money to get a great MacBook Pro laptop.

FCP is -not- industry standard, it's increasing in popularity but it's not even close, and at the animation studios it doesn't meet our needs, on the media management side (apple is working to address that). I personally know that very few local studios out here use it. FYI. Just had to point that out and add that most of this years oscar nominees (and winners, best picture & best editing, were cut on an Avid).

I've never used Final Cut Pro, so I may just not know what I'm missing, but I've done extensive editing with a few of the "prosumer" choices available on Windows for video editing. So I'd say unless you are creating a feature film, Windows is a better choice since it does everything (video editing, business, and gaming). Not to mention that Sony Vegas Pro (my video editor of choice) is half the price of Final Cut Pro ($1200), and Sony Movie Studio Platinum (which is just a stripped down version of Vegas Pro) does more than enough for most people for 1/12th the cost of Final Cut Pro.

Epic fail! Macs are definitely more suitable for graphic and video editing, especially since iMovie beats Windows Movie Maker for included apps and you can't do better than Final Cut Pro for pro video editing, which you can't use in Windows.

Windows, on the other hand, is more suitable for business users and hardcore gamers.

Well only one other person mentioned it above, I think, but Sony Vegas? Anyone?

/Macs don't have the upper hand in video editing that the Mac community seems to think

So she's walking out of the store (past a really *niice* 6 series) and it's prob early afternoon. But at final shot in the big carpark, it's late dusk already?

ihaveanissuewithyou said,
So she's walking out of the store (past a really *niice* 6 series) and it's prob early afternoon. But at final shot in the big carpark, it's late dusk already?

maybe she spent some 1on1 time with the 'mmmm' guy in between

Doesn't look like early afternoon to me - the camera is also pointed down at the ground in the shot walking out, and up at the lights in the final shot, so it's going to adjust the exposure down to keep the lights from blowing out the image.

I do. Desktop (connected to a 52" monitor and 7.1 THX surround) for home/gaming/video editing/media center, and a laptop for work.

I am a PC, and I run Windows 7, Vista, XP, and Ubuntu all on the same box (oh yeah, and I ran Mac OSX on it...once)

You've also got the minority, such as many of our fellow posters here, that don't buy "pre-packaged" desktops. We build our PCs like Lego and tweak them like cars. :D

Until they remedy cooling systems for laptops, sometimes smaller isn't always better if your PC gets ridiculously hot on your lap and occasionally requires it to be sent back to the manufacturer because its GPU toasted itself at 90+ degrees Celsius.

When I read that the person's name is "Sheila" I was expecting to see some bogan looking for $400 a second hand laptop to play solitaire on.

Oh well... they could still find a Sharon from a housing commission area to do what I mentioned above. All it'd cost them is a fortnight's dole payment and a pack of Winnie Blues.

techbeck said,
Hmm, waiting on Apple to produce another bashing negative ad towards MS

You haven't seen the recent I'm A PC I'm a Mac ad about the all the legal text or whatever?

Honestly the biggest mistake is buying these laptops right in a store. I own an HDX 18 that I just bought in Feburary and I bought it online with a 30% off coupon.

My specs:
18.4 1920x1080 Screen
GeForce 9600M 512MB
4GB DDR2
Intel Core 2 Duo T9600 2.8Ghz
Dual 320GB 7200RPM hard drives
TV Tuner with remote, plus the laptop comes with a little remote without the tuner that fits into the express card slot, Apple seemed to have removed theirs and charge for it...
Blu-ray player with lightscribe for the DVD/CD burner aspect
Fingerprint reader
Webcam
SD/MMC/XD/MS, MS Pro reader
Express card 54 (unless they changed it, I know the 15" MBP's only have a 34 slot)
VGA and HDMI
eSATA port
Exanpsion slot (Dock connector I believe)
3 year HP warrenty with Accidental coverage (Apple doesn't even offer this, accidents do happen, shame Apple rather you pay for it)

All this I got back in Feb for a little less than $2100 with tax and shipping. Honestly, what Macbook Pro could compare to my HP HDX in terms of value for the money I spent? Not certainly the baseline 15" which wouldn't even come with the 3 year warrenty. This is also all using HP upgrades on the site, including the RAM. The only thing I missed out on if i would've waited a month or two is the new HDX have nVidia 130M cards and backlit keyboards.

And this is coming from someone who has a Macbook Pro Early 2008 model, so I'm not exactly biased, I loved my Mac, but I wanted something a bit more and this HP delivers like no Apple laptop could for the price. By the way, anyone want to buy a MacbooK Pro 15" early 2008? LOL

Y'know.. If Apple charged $699 for their $699 hardware, instead of adding another $699 on top just for their name, they'd have a much bigger market share than they currently have...

No, they'd be just another also-ran in the competitive PC industry. The way they overcharge makes idiot fanboys feel they've bought something special when they buy their Crapintosh, and that keeps them profitable.

"Hey, is the graphic processor going to help me edit videos in any way if my video editing software doesn't support CUDA?"

*puzzled look on face of sales clerk*

i just went to hp and configured this notebook with thes specs

Components

* � Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium with Service Pack 1 (32-bit)
* � Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor QX9300 (2.53Hz)
* � $100 OFF!! 8GB DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm) - For 1GB Nvidia GeForce GT 130M
* � 1TB 5400RPM SATA Dual Hard Drive (500GB x 2) with HP ProtectSmart Hard Drive Protection
* � 1GB Nvidia GeForce GT 130M - For DDR3 Memory
* � 18.4" diagonal High Definition HP Ultra BrightView Infinity Display (1920x1080p)
* � Blu-Ray +/-R/RW with SuperMulti
* � Webcam + Fingerprint Reader with HP Imprint Finish (Fluid)
* � Intel Next-Gen Wireless-N Mini-card with Bluetooth
* � No TV Tuner w/remote control
* � HP Color Matching Keyboard
* � Extra 8 Cell Lithium Ion battery
The price came to $3,323.99 u.s.

the macbook pro w 17" screen with this configuration
Specifications

* 2.93GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
* 8GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2X4GB
* 320GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200 rpm
* SuperDrive 8x (DVD�R DL/DVD�RW/CD-RW)
* MacBook Pro 17-inch Hi-Resolution Antiglare Widescreen Display
* None
* Backlit Keyboard (English) / User's Guide

this configuration costs $4,199.00 u.s.

for what you would spend on this MBP you get dual core only (What macbooks don't have quad core) less than 1/3 the drive space, NO BLU_RAY (sorry fanboys). If i bought the HP, i would have faster processor, bigger hard drive, BLU-RAY ( sorry fanboys...had to rub it in again and i would have enough money left over to buy Adobe Premiere Pro CS4.

don't get me wrong. i like Macs. they are a nice lil niche product. but if i wanted performance combined with value the hp is the better choice plain and simple

oh yeah!! i forgot I CAN PLAY A TON OF GAMES WITH THE HP

Fanboys are now going to tell you that the HP doesn't come with iLife and OSX, and those are so superior that it's worth that extra money. And that the Mac uses superior components. Manufacturers like nVidia take out their best cards and put it in Macs only (it makes them feel special thinking that).

It's impossible to reason with fanboys No matter what you say, even if statistics and specifications indicate otherwise, they will always find a way to get around your arguments. Cause we don't want to feel normal right? They're Mac users, they are made to feel special

It's made with aluminum! Oh, who am I kidding, they probably want to feel even more special--let's call it aluminium. Maybe it'll give them Alzheimer's.

Loved the sales person in this: "Is the GPU powerful enough in this machine" - " Erm.... Yeah" Clearly has no idea

If I were her, I'd buy a desktop for video editing. Why does everyone have to buy a laptop? They act as though desktop PCs don't exist or something. Shoot, for $2000 you could get one serious desktop with 1TB of HD space, 8 GB of RAM and 1 GB video card, not to mention a 19" or 21" monitor. But that's just me...

devHead said,
If I were her, I'd buy a desktop for video editing. Why does everyone have to buy a laptop? They act as though desktop PCs don't exist or something. Shoot, for $2000 you could get one serious desktop with 1TB of HD space, 8 GB of RAM and 1 GB video card, not to mention a 19" or 21" monitor. But that's just me...

The ads are called Laptop Hunters...

devHead said,
If I were her, I'd buy a desktop for video editing. Why does everyone have to buy a laptop? They act as though desktop PCs don't exist or something. Shoot, for $2000 you could get one serious desktop with 1TB of HD space, 8 GB of RAM and 1 GB video card, not to mention a 19" or 21" monitor. But that's just me...

If they went the desktop route with these commercials, they'd slay Apple, as the only "desktop" worth a damn in their line for under $2500 is the iMac, and let's be honest - most desktops will destroy that thing.

This is probably one of the only places I would ever have actually recommended the person to get the overpriced Mac. She had the $2000 they cost, and Final Cut is better (IMO) than most windows-based video editing packages - and if she isn't going to buy extra software iMovie is better (not good, but better) than WMM.

James123 said,
This is probably one of the only places I would ever have actually recommended the person to get the overpriced Mac. She had the $2000 they cost, and Final Cut is better (IMO) than most windows-based video editing packages - and if she isn't going to buy extra software iMovie is better (not good, but better) than WMM.

Final cut doesnt come with the Mac and she already explained if you dared to actually watch the video before forming a biased opinion, she wanted bigger screen, better cpu, more ram, than the Macbook afforded.

Richard Hammond said,
Final cut doesnt come with the Mac and she already explained if you dared to actually watch the video before forming a biased opinion, she wanted bigger screen, better cpu, more ram, than the Macbook afforded.

Errr... I did watch the video thanks, and "biased opinion"? LOL, no. I've had to use a Mac for the last year and I hate it. I own a Dell, it cost 1/4 of the price of a MacBook Pro and has a higher spec than it, so while the build quality isn't as good, it would need to break 4 times to cost as much as the Mac.

Anyway, video;

Final cut doesnt come with the Mac and she already explained
Yes, and no video editing software comes with Windows either - if you dared to read my comment you would see the mention of iMovie too.

she wanted bigger screen

She said she wanted a big screen, yet then said "Having it be portable is superimportant", and she see's a 17" laptop and says, "if possible something a little smaller"

better cpu

The MacBook Pro has the same CPU as the one she bought.

more ram

If she needed more RAM $30 on top of a $2000 purchase is nothing.

Richard Hammond said,
Final cut doesnt come with the Mac and she already explained if you dared to actually watch the video before forming a biased opinion, she wanted bigger screen, better cpu, more ram, than the Macbook afforded.

"This is probably one of the only places I would ever have actually recommended the person to get the overpriced Mac." I daresay he isn't exactly biased, or at least, doesn't sound like it. I really don't get the Apple hate. Bring on the price cuts.

James123 said,
Errr... I did watch the video thanks, and "biased opinion"? LOL, no. I've had to use a Mac for the last year and I hate it. I own a Dell, it cost 1/4 of the price of a MacBook Pro and has a higher spec than it, so while the build quality isn't as good, it would need to break 4 times to cost as much as the Mac.

Anyway, video;

Yes, and no video editing software comes with Windows either - if you dared to read my comment you would see the mention of iMovie too.


She said she wanted a big screen, yet then said "Having it be portable is superimportant", and she see's a 17" laptop and says, "if possible something a little smaller"


The MacBook Pro has the same CPU as the one she bought.


If she needed more RAM $30 on top of a $2000 purchase is nothing.


I have a friend who is a video editor for a local news station and her opinion is that Final Cut and Adobe Premiere are pretty equal. I personally edit with Adobe Premiere and I think it's really easy to use.

She did say she wanted a big screen and having it portable is important. Correct me if i'm wrong but a 17" laptop is still movable. That's why she's getting a laptop instead of a desktop.

The laptop she bought is this I believe, http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?sk...d=1218052535616

This CPU is a quad core 2.0 GHZ. I think that's better than a dual core 2.4 GHZ processor. Of course it could be http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?sk...d=1218052535546 because the quad core laptop is really new. So in that case you would be correct in saying the processor is the same. However, it just proves that you can get more for $851 less. Yeah the mac does have two graphics cards but does the second one really cost $851?

Omen1393 said,
I have a friend who is a video editor for a local news station and her opinion is that Final Cut and Adobe Premiere are pretty equal. I personally edit with Adobe Premiere and I think it's really easy to use.

Like I say, it's just my opinion, I'm sure a lot of people find premiere okay. I work as a game developer, so we use windows for almost everything *apart from* the video editing for the cutscenes where we modify the scenes in Final Cut. Premiere was one of the most frustrating applications I've had to use, countless times it would mess up while rendering out a large modified scene. That was CS3 though, CS4 could have improved.

Omen1393 said,
She did say she wanted a big screen and having it portable is important. Correct me if i'm wrong but a 17" laptop is still movable. That's why she's getting a laptop instead of a desktop.
The laptop she bought is this I believe, http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?sk...d=1218052535616

If the Microsoft website is correct (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/) she ended up getting this so the screen was only 16" - yes, quite portable, but the resolution on that model is 1366x768, what's the point of a big screen with a lower resolution than the smaller screen? (Plus it's only 0.6" difference)


Omen1393 said,
This CPU is a quad core 2.0 GHZ. I think that's better than a dual core 2.4 GHZ processor. Of course it could be http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?sk...d=1218052535546 because the quad core laptop is really new. So in that case you would be correct in saying the processor is the same.

Again, if the Microsoft link is correct it looks like she only got the 2.4GHz Dual. If she got a Quad I take back what I said :P

James123 said,
Anyway, video;

Yes, and no video editing software comes with Windows either - if you dared to read my comment you would see the mention of iMovie too.


She GOT Windows Movie Maker with the Vista laptop. Please dare yourself to get your facts straight.

Imran Hussain said,

She GOT Windows Movie Maker with the Vista laptop. Please dare yourself to get your facts straight.

Please dare yourself to read my first comment, and the one I was replying to - I mean NEITHER come with a decent video package (e.g. Final Cut/Premiere standards) However, out of the two that DO, iMovie is better than WMM.

me
and if she isn't going to buy extra software iMovie is better (not good, but better) than WMM.


Seriously, I thought Apple Fanboys were bad, but MS ones appear to be even worse, I USE WINDOWS, I DON'T LIKE OSX, god forbid that I suggest that in this one case IN MY PERSONAL OPINION the Mac would have been a good option. (not directed at Omen1393, who replied a friendly manner)

James123 said,
If she needed more RAM $30 on top of a $2000 purchase is nothing.

except for some reason memory modules for Mac's are higher priced than PC modules.

k7of9 said,
except for some reason memory modules for Mac's are higher priced than PC modules.

Huh? What are you basing this on? Both use the same memory.

roadwarrior said,
Huh? What are you basing this on? Both use the same memory.

he's right. most manufacturers charge a premium or their Apple specific memory although it's the exact same memory.

Right, let's look at some hard facts:

Apple eats less RAM, less CPU since it doesn't normally have antivirus, and other reasons
4GB RAM for my MBP was £30, quite cheap! I sold the original 2GB for £15.
Apple comes with video software, win doesn't
Apple has FW800, HP doesn't. Sooner or later she WILL need it.
Apple has DVI (or the new one), HP doesn't, and she will need it. Face it, laptop screens, even apple ones, are very very poor. s-IPS panel is the only way forward.
HP is made of cheap plastic, apple - aluminium (more durable, better built).
Most people don't have a clue about computers, and I can guarantee most of them end up with grave problems with win in a year and end up paying loads for new laptop or simple yet very expensive software repairs.

So where do we stand? Well she can't connect some essential peripherals. Too bad.

DTR said,
Right, let's look at some hard facts:
Apple eats less RAM, less CPU since it doesn't normally have antivirus, and other reasons

I run antivirus on my Windows PC and it only uses a few mb of memory and 0 cpu cycles until it does a scheduled scan so stop with the FUD
4GB RAM for my MBP was �30, quite cheap! I sold the original 2GB for �15.

The point of this advert is if she could get a notebook with everything she wanted for $2000, if she bought the Macbook Pro she wouldnt have the money to upgrade the ram.
Apple comes with video software, win doesn't

Wrong, Windows comes with Windows Movie Maker, ok its not that great but if she is a Video Editor its safe to assume she already has the pro tools she needs.
Apple has FW800, HP doesn't. Sooner or later she WILL need it.

Maybe, maybe not i wouldnt say having FW800 is a reason to spend more money and get a lesser specced machine.
Apple has DVI (or the new one), HP doesn't, and she will need it. Face it, laptop screens, even apple ones, are very very poor. s-IPS panel is the only way forward.

The HDX18 (which im guessing what she picked) has HDMI and VGA out, she could easily get a HDMI to DVI cable.
HP is made of cheap plastic, apple - aluminium (more durable, better built).

Big deal it has a 'unibody' aluminium case, as for better built i beg to differ. Just because its not aluminum doesnt mean its an inferior laptop, they have to be built with portability in mind so im sure the plastics of the HP arent gonna fall to bits when she pics it up.
Most people don't have a clue about computers, and I can guarantee most of them end up with grave problems with win in a year and end up paying loads for new laptop or simple yet very expensive software repairs.

Again more FUD, she knew exactly what she wanted as she pointed out in the video that she needs a faster CPU, bigger screen, more memory, she even asked wether the GPU would be beneficial, and since shes a video editor im sure she is more knowledgeable than the average joe windows user. As for software repairs that can happen on a mac as well as windows hence the 'genius' bars.
So where do we stand? Well she can't connect some essential peripherals. Too bad.

I know exactly where you stand you are completely biased towards macs, do you really think she would be stupid enough to buy a notebook that she cant connect most of her peripherals to? you assume too much. Take off the Apple rose tinted glasses.

DTR said,
Right, let's look at some hard facts:

Apple eats less RAM, less CPU since it doesn't normally have antivirus, and other reasons
4GB RAM for my MBP was ?30, quite cheap! I sold the original 2GB for ?15.
Apple comes with video software, win doesn't
Apple has FW800, HP doesn't. Sooner or later she WILL need it.
Apple has DVI (or the new one), HP doesn't, and she will need it. Face it, laptop screens, even apple ones, are very very poor. s-IPS panel is the only way forward.
HP is made of cheap plastic, apple - aluminium (more durable, better built).
Most people don't have a clue about computers, and I can guarantee most of them end up with grave problems with win in a year and end up paying loads for new laptop or simple yet very expensive software repairs.

So where do we stand? Well she can't connect some essential peripherals. Too bad.


My 20" HP HDX laptop is made out of 'cheap plastic'. It weighs 15lbs. It's built excellent, gets heavy use and has flown all over the world. I'm quite confident in HP's build quality - it doesn't need to be built out of aluminium at all, and at 15lb, if there were any issues, they would show up.

Well said. Apple fanboys.

I have to say, in the Windows monopoly, using a widely industry-adopted operating system only benefits everyone (or Linux). Apple computers aren't really GOOD for... Anything. Seriously.

DTR said,
Right, let's look at some hard facts:

Apple eats less RAM, less CPU since it doesn't normally have antivirus, and other reasons

This reasoning is getting old real fast, can't you think of a better stereotype?

Besides that if you want to do serious video editing, you really want more than 2GB, PC or Mac. In fact, the more the better.

The Windows what? They haven't had a monopoly since... well, ever. Take a browse through the dictionary and then come back and revise your comment

DTR said,
Right, let's look at some hard facts:

Apple eats less RAM, less CPU since it doesn't normally have antivirus, and other reasons
4GB RAM for my MBP was �30, quite cheap! I sold the original 2GB for �15.
Apple comes with video software, win doesn't
Apple has FW800, HP doesn't. Sooner or later she WILL need it.
Apple has DVI (or the new one), HP doesn't, and she will need it. Face it, laptop screens, even apple ones, are very very poor. s-IPS panel is the only way forward.
HP is made of cheap plastic, apple - aluminium (more durable, better built).
Most people don't have a clue about computers, and I can guarantee most of them end up with grave problems with win in a year and end up paying loads for new laptop or simple yet very expensive software repairs.

So where do we stand? Well she can't connect some essential peripherals. Too bad.

1. Not true at all. The OSX by itself and the whole make up with graphics sucks much more ram then antivirus or any other app will in Windows.
2. Ram for PC is cheaper any way you look at it but this is really irrelevant because she gets more ram for less money.
3. Not true. Nonsense.
4. Firewire standard is history. Nobody uses Firewire anymore because USB 2.0 has much higher bandwith throughput and is faster. Don't talk about something you have no idea about.
5. Apple doesn't have DVI.. They have miniDVI which you have to pay $30 from Apple to hook it up to regular DVI machines. PCs these days have regular DVI which is compatible with 99% of displays and they also have HDMI
6. If they look nice, I don't care whether it's aluminum or not. New Dell XPS machines look sick and they are not aluminum. Plus with aluminum there's more chance of static discharge.
7. Which you are one of obviously. Windows has everything that Apple has software wise, the Windows versions of same software actually work FASTER then on OSX (Photoshop, AE and others) plus they have the ability to use advanced 64 bit instructions like Photoshop CS4 or many other apps that allow you to use much large amount of ram.
8. Apple rips consumers everywhere you look. Get miniDVI-DVI ($30), you only get 1 year of warranty, then pay them $300 to get 3 years (most PC manufacturers come with 3 year warranty standard). Upgrade the video card (card costs $180 everywhere, Apple sells the same card with lower specs for $350) etc etc.

Apple ONLY has style on their side. And that's it!

And I'm writing this on a Mac, so I am very well aware of the OSX and WIndows sides (both positives and negatives). Price and software overall are not Apple's strong suit and let's just leave it at that.

If you want to buy for style and pretty looks, go for it. That's fine. But don't around talking about superiority when there's none. You just make yourself look silly.

Solid Knight said,
People don't seem to realize that there are many plastics that are stronger and more durable than aluminum.


I've been waiting for someone to say this.

/plastic gets a bad rap in general
//always ask for plastic at the grocery store. it keeps costs down, can be used at home instead of the plastic trashbags you were going to buy anyway, and doesn't take any longer to break down than paper does at the bottom of a landfill

Joshie said,
doesn't take any longer to break down than paper does at the bottom of a landfill

Plastics degrade way slower than paper - bottom of the landfill or not.

"hunting for a laptop that could cut video and has a big screen as Sheila is an artist"

OOTB what does the Windows lappy come with to do movie editing? Errm, Windows Movie Maker? Don't make me laugh. She will have to fork out more money for a decent editing app anyway.

kraized said,
OOTB what does the Windows lappy come with to do movie editing? Errm, Windows Movie Maker? Don't make me laugh. She will have to fork out more money for a decent editing app anyway.

Just like she would have to on a Mac, you dont get prosumer level editing tools with either operating system.

Richard Hammond said,
Just like she would have to on a Mac, you dont get prosumer level editing tools with either operating system.

No, but iMovie is a lot more capable than WMM. I have read about short films with international exposure that were edited on iMovie.

bauhaus said,
No, but iMovie is a lot more capable than WMM. I have read about short films with international exposure that were edited on iMovie.

I agree but if she is a video editor im sure she has her own video tools. The big difference is if Microsoft put some decent video editing software in with Windows they would get accused of having a monopoly and being anti competitive. Apple gets away with it.

bauhaus said,
No, but iMovie is a lot more capable than WMM. I have read about short films with international exposure that were edited on iMovie.


Well your forgetting a lot of open source stuff thats available for windows.

I use and have used loads of freeware video encoding and editing tools on Windows for years. I don't actually have to fork out loads of $$$ for some overpriced Adobe product.

And like many have said, she probably owns or uses something else already that she knows well and likes.

GP007 said,
And like many have said, she probably owns or uses something else already that she knows well and likes.

what a funny argument

i say she is an actor and has no idea about movie editing software at all
let alone own one

majortom1981 said,
Well your forgetting a lot of open source stuff thats available for windows.

There is just as much open source software (often the SAME software) available for OS X as well, your point?

There is just as much open source software (often the SAME software) available for OS X as well, your point?

I believe the point was that a previous poster was making the assertion that you have to pay to get decent video editing on the PC, whilst on a Mac it comes for free in the form of iMovie.

PROGAME - So what if she is an actor. John Hodgman is an Actor/Comedian. His co-star in Apple's famous commercials (Justin Long) is also an Actor. So whats your point?

The HP HDX seems to be about £1200 in the UK at the moment, so its a safe bet that its going to be around $1800 in the States.

For $2000 she could have gotten the Macbook Pro, like she said, but it only comes with 2GB RAM. If she had got it from the Apple Store, she could have got one with 4GB for $2100.

The only thing she seemed to consider when comparing between the PC and the Mac was the RAM size. Clearly she'd never bothered looking at 'Product Reliability and After-Sale Service, 2008'

On the plus side, even if it does go wrong, at least she didn't actually pay for it.

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Looking at the ads themselves, Microsoft seem to be taking the whole thing 'way' too seriously now. Apple just end up poking fun. Mind you, Microsoft's marketing campaigns have never been overly creative.

blackbeard59 said,
The HP HDX seems to be about �1200 in the UK at the moment, so its a safe bet that its going to be around $1800 in the States.

For $2000 she could have gotten the Macbook Pro, like she said, but it only comes with 2GB RAM. If she had got it from the Apple Store, she could have got one with 4GB for $2100.

The only thing she seemed to consider when comparing between the PC and the Mac was the RAM size. Clearly she'd never bothered looking at 'Product Reliability and After-Sale Service, 2008'

On the plus side, even if it does go wrong, at least she didn't actually pay for it.

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Looking at the ads themselves, Microsoft seem to be taking the whole thing 'way' too seriously now. Apple just end up poking fun. Mind you, Microsoft's marketing campaigns have never been overly creative.


The point of this advert is if she can buy a laptop for $2000 so going to an Apple Store would have done her no good since she didnt have $2100, but then you are looking at a really low spec machine for a high price premium, she wanted a big screen so the 15" macbook would have been useless to her.

Obviously something to consider is reliability of Notebooks but Apple products are notorious for having big issues with the first few revisions of their new stuff, cracking/discolouring plastics, faulty cpu fans, faulty graphics cards to name a few.

Im sure she considered more than just ram size, she did say in the video that she also wanted a big screen, more than 2gb of ram, she did ask if the gpu would be beneficial.

If it did go wrong just like Apple products do all she needed to do was return it to the shop, warranties are extra even Apple care, ive never had a laptop go bad on me so you are blowing the issue out of all proportion.

As for the adverts i think they are great, im a fence sitter i dont care either way which company makes the better stuff but i enjoy the Im a PC adverts and yes Microsoft does take it seriously just like a business should do, no one likes a niche computer maker with the lowest marketshare spending loads of money on marketing and all their adverts do is poke fun at vista, they dont use the adverts to highlight what OSX is and why a Mac is better its all just a childish immature game to them.

These adverts are advertising gold compared to Apples childish tactics.

That's exactly right Richard. The only thing Apple has told us about Macs in their advertising is that they can run Windows and Office (in other words, they are relying on Microsoft to make their product sell) and that they have "i" software included. That's all they've told us.

Oh and also that they don't get viruses. Which means Macs are just sitting ducks but that's an argument for another thread.

blackbeard59 said,
Looking at the ads themselves, Microsoft seem to be taking the whole thing 'way' too seriously now. Apple just end up poking fun. Mind you, Microsoft's marketing campaigns have never been overly creative.


You have got to be kidding.

Apple not taking this seriously and just poking fun? Riiiight. That's why they spend 100s of millions on marketing. Just for fun.

I see more of Microsoft's business oriented ads than their consumer ones (I did catch their Rookies ad a while ago). Maybe I watch the wrong channels or something.

This is the MacBook from apple, it only has 2GB of RAM.

But oh wait, it has Final Cut, iMovie, premiere, etc. available... And doesn't need as much RAM as the windows counterpart, even for video editing....

d4v1d05 said,
But oh wait, it has Final Cut, iMovie, premiere, etc. available... And doesn't need as much RAM as the windows counterpart, even for video editing....

Good god Apple fanboys are the worst, did you even watch the advert she considered more than just the ram size, she looked at screen size, cpu, wether the GPU would be beneficial in accelerating the editing they can only cram so much into an advert.

There are as many good peices of editing software for a PC than their are on a Mac.

Richard Hammond said,
Good god Apple fanboys are the worst, did you even watch the advert she considered more than just the ram size, she looked at screen size, cpu, wether the GPU would be beneficial in accelerating the editing they can only cram so much into an advert.

There are as many good peices of editing software for a PC than their are on a Mac.

+1

d4v1d05 said,
But oh wait, it has Final Cut, iMovie, premiere, etc. available... And doesn't need as much RAM as the windows counterpart, even for video editing....


Last time ichecked a lot of the programs you listed had to be bought seperately . as in extra from the notebook.

But oh wait, it has Final Cut, iMovie, premiere, etc


Hello jim goldman and welcome to neowin , This might come as a shock but Adobe Premier does NOT come free with apple computers it costs $799 .

d4v1d05 said,
But oh wait, it has Final Cut, iMovie, premiere, etc. available... And doesn't need as much RAM as the windows counterpart, even for video editing....

It doesn't NEED as much RAM? I highly doubt that.

bob21 said,
Hello jim goldman and welcome to neowin , This might come as a shock but Adobe Premier does NOT come free with apple computers it costs $799 .

I guess you missed the fact that you cut off one important word from your quote: "available".


d4v1d05 said,
But oh wait, it has Final Cut, iMovie, premiere, etc. available... And doesn't need as much RAM as the windows counterpart, even for video editing....

Doesn't need as much RAM? What is this based on? Do you have benchmarks? Mac's are just as RAM hungry as PCs are these days.

However the "only has 2 GB of RAM" line wasn't a very strong one for the tech savy. RAM isn't too expensive...upgrading that to 4GB of RAM wouldn't have been THAT much money. (I mean she is already spending $2000 on a laptop).

d4v1d05 said,
But oh wait, it has Final Cut, iMovie, premiere, etc. available... And doesn't need as much RAM as the windows counterpart, even for video editing....

Having the apps and not enough ram is like saying, I have the nails to build my new shelf but I have no wood.

roadwarrior said,
I guess you missed the fact that you cut off one important word from your quote: "available".


And premier is mac only right

It would be much more striking if she bought Gateway C-143XL (or C-142XL which I have).
Gateway C-143XL is a convertible Notebook. It has a Wacom pen with pressure sensitivity! How's that for an artist?
Screen: 14.0" WXGA
CPU: Intel Core2 Duo Processor T8300 (Penryn, 2.40GHz)
RAM: 4096 Mb DDR2
HDD: 200GB 7200rpm SATA w/ 16MB cache
GPU: ATI Mobility Radeon X2300 HD 256MB
DVD: 8x Multi-Format Dual Layer DVD-RW
Misc: Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, Ethernet, FireWire, Modem, ...

Price: bought C-142XL with the same specs (except 3Gb RAM) for $1000. Have seen C-143XL for $1000-$1300.

/Thread /Apple

RealFduch said,
It would be much more striking if she bought Gateway C-143XL (or C-142XL which I have).
Gateway C-143XL is a convertible Notebook. It has a Wacom pen with pressure sensitivity! How's that for an artist?
Screen: 14.0" WXGA
CPU: Intel Core2 Duo Processor T8300 (Penryn, 2.40GHz)
RAM: 4096 Mb DDR2
HDD: 200GB 7200rpm SATA w/ 16MB cache
GPU: ATI Mobility Radeon X2300 HD 256MB
DVD: 8x Multi-Format Dual Layer DVD-RW
Misc: Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, Ethernet, FireWire, Modem, ...

Price: bought C-142XL with the same specs (except 3Gb RAM) for $1000. Have seen C-143XL for $1000-$1300.

/Thread /Apple


Nice find!

TruckWEB said,
And it's another HP... I wonder how much HP paid Microsoft?

Yeah, I'm seriously thinking these are actually HP adverts... Someone at the marketing company just got the wrong logo... :P

You can bet your life that they'll always go for the real cheapo manufacturer. Wouldn't look too good it the customer finds a Sony that they really like, then notice that its a lower spec and higher price than an Apple product. Or how about Lenovo, but they don't have the 'appeal' or 'home-brand name' that HP & Dell seem to have developed. Pity that it was developed through the approach of Quantity of Quality...

blackbeard59 said,
You can bet your life that they'll always go for the real cheapo manufacturer. Wouldn't look too good it the customer finds a Sony that they really like, then notice that its a lower spec and higher price than an Apple product. Or how about Lenovo, but they don't have the 'appeal' or 'home-brand name' that HP & Dell seem to have developed. Pity that it was developed through the approach of Quantity of Quality...

There is nothing wrong with HP notebooks ive owned quite a few and ive never had any of them go faulty unlike most first revision Apple notebooks that have loads of issues that Apple refuse to acknowledge until the media gets involved.

If they were going for the cheaper one, they would be advertising Dell. They also did have a Sony in one of the adverts. To hit the main audience of this ad, you need one of few major brands. No one in their right mind is going to buy an Alienware for casual use.

Lenovo and Sony almost always come on top in the hardware price/performance over Apple, though they are a bit closer together.

Richard Hammond said,
There is nothing wrong with HP notebooks ive owned quite a few and ive never had any of them go faulty unlike most first revision Apple notebooks that have loads of issues that Apple refuse to acknowledge until the media gets involved.

All companies have lemons, unfortunately Apple's failures get 90% of the press for some reason. If anything, Apple has a lower failure rate than most other companies, but you wouldn't know it if you have no other point of reference than the media.

blackbeard59 said,
You can bet your life that they'll always go for the real cheapo manufacturer. Wouldn't look too good it the customer finds a Sony that they really like, then notice that its a lower spec and higher price than an Apple product. Or how about Lenovo, but they don't have the 'appeal' or 'home-brand name' that HP & Dell seem to have developed. Pity that it was developed through the approach of Quantity of Quality...

Actually, the ad with the mother and son bought a Sony Vaio. "I'm a PC and I'm 11"

I don't think HP products are problematic. Back in the 90s I definitely thought they were crap and when it was time to upgrade from my first PC a Compaq I went with Dell because everyone said Dell had the best products. Well I got burned by that Dell. The problem wasn't the machine but Dells add-on software that just never worked right.

I then replaced that Dell with an HP Pavillion dv9000 and I absolutely love the thing. Had it for about three years now and have had no problems at all.

If I'm not mistaken the person in one of the previous ads did buy a Sony. As for other brands, how many retail shops can you walk into and buy Lenovo? HP and Dell are the top two in the industry, so big shocker that someone would walk away with one of those two.

^^^

Somehow I remembered this one posting after I saw another MS ad. And behold - they bought a Sony!

This was the ad with the mother and son.

Damn, that's a big ass video. Got mixed feelings about this ad. I quite liked the others, but this one failed to hit the mark for me, to be honest.

I love the way the store bloke answers a question whether I'm not the graphics card is powerful. He says 'mmm'. Typical salesperson.

stevember said,
I love the way the store bloke answers a question whether I'm not the graphics card is powerful. He says 'mmm'. Typical salesperson.



Gold!

Anyone noticed as well that the laptops get more expensive all the time?
First it was $1000, then $1500, now it's already $2000.
If they want to ride the "Apple is oh so expensive" wave, that's not a smart thing to do.

Lord Ba'al said,
Anyone noticed as well that the laptops get more expensive all the time?
First it was $1000, then $1500, now it's already $2000.
If they want to ride the "Apple is oh so expensive" wave, that's not a smart thing to do.

Well they're starting with the budget laptops (that Apple doesn't have) and then comparing the higher-end Windows laptops with Apple's MacBooks. The low-end ones have no competition, so that's easy... but they don't want to give the impression that a PC is only for people on tight budgets.