Latest Windows 8 Consumer Preview build number: 8225?

Windows 8's developer preview had one glaring omission, at least compared to Windows 7: Media Center. Rest assured, Microsoft will include Media Center in Windows 8, as they said back in September.

Supposedly, there are enough skeptics out there, that someone at Microsoft was compelled to post this Twitter update on @BuildWindows8. Normally we're used to reading unofficial reports of latest build numbers, such as build 8222 as the beta candidate number.

This time, there's a new build number from Microsoft themselves: 8225.

Besides the (somewhat disappointing) unchanged appearance of Windows Media Center, of note is the lack of a Show Desktop button on the bottom right corner. There must also be some explanation of the blurred text - does Microsoft still believe the term "Consumer Preview" is a secret (hint: it's not), or perhaps the real marketing name of Windows 8 is in there?

The end of February can't come soon enough.

Image Credit: BuildWindows8 on Twitter

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I was looking for someone to design a Windows Start Orb / Start Menu redesign concept, where the Start Menu would actually be an App Drawer but nobody took up the challenge. Shame

I was half expecting a complete redesign of Media Center, every version of Windows thats includes it has had a redesign and because i use Media Center as my primary viewing experience i'm really disappointed in this.

I was hoping that the redesign would have a Metro/Xbox 360 dashboard feel to it, a more clean and friendly experience.

Could the screenshot we are seeing be a fake?

This is the first version of Windows ever that I'm completely uninterested in. I hate the UI and just about everything about it. I know that smart phones and tablets are taking over but trying to cram those design ideas into a desktop OS is a big mistake.

I am not trolling about people who like Metro but seems everyone are trolling about people who don't like Metro. I have opinion and good arguments against Metro. This Media Center is real surprise. Windows 8 lack consistency a big time. You have Metro vs Media Center, duplication all over the place. When you stack all UI elements together it is WTF Circus. For example as part of Metro you will get video player which is pile of crap btw and yet you can run Windows Media Player on Desktop, or in Media Center, total nonsense. It is so obvious that Metro is being pushed to Desktop where clearly doesn't belong. But, it is what it is as someone mentioned nobody is forced to do upgrade and this time around MS is not releasing anything specific to Windows 8 which would be essential like they pulled a crap with DX10.0. Since there is no a single must have feature in Windows 8 the message is clear stay on Windows 7 or XP.

its fine to not like metro/ windows 8, i really dont mind... just when reading through all the comments it gets really old seeing all your rants, say something once in a new topic.. dont say the same type of thing over and over again

anyways thats just my two cents, do as you please

Its not trolling or you have no concept of what true trolling and baiting is. This has zero to do with android. It has to do with my dislike of the interface. And no i dont hate microsoft as i dual boot w7 with lion so try again!

well done, 3 post already in less than 2 hours about how you dont like Windows 8.

you techguy77 and xpclient must be the most consistent posters on neowin
BTW you really dont have to say over and over again that you dont like it, we get it already

smooth3006 said,
ill call w8 a fail already!

You and techguy77 both need to bog off back to troll land & stay there. Your comments are always awful reads.

techguy77 said,
How come Windows Media Center has different look and feel from Metro?

Media center evolved before Metro was defined as a 'design language'
Media center created their own XML syntax called Mediacenter Markup Language, or MCML.

This was the ONLY place it was used. The Windows product team wanted them to update to XAML as that was the standard UI framework for .NET 3.5 (WPF) and they chose not to, citing it would break backward compatabililty, which they did anyway by deprecating support for HTML apps and requiring MCML apps to be used in their place.

This legacy is why there is no love on the Windows team for Mediacenter.

smooth3006 said,

no purpose, just a stupid design.

Your comments could be seen as "stupid" or as having "no purpose".

I hope they fix the charms/previews that popped up when gaming (mainly when you tried to scroll on the left/bottom left of the screen). That was kind of annoying in the Developer Preview.

smooth3006 said,
i think im going to pass on the beta this time, not interested in the slightest.

If only you could pass on the trollbait, because we're not interested in you in the slightest.

dotf said,

If only you could pass on the trollbait, because we're not interested in you in the slightest.

oh i see.. so because some of us HATE metro and think it belongs nowhere near a desktop that means were trolls? i forgot on neowin your not entitled to your own opinion. it's follow the crowd or get bent. do yourself a favor and grow up!

smooth3006 said,
...

It's not like that.
You seem to enjoy posting the same post over and over and over and over and

as long as the front page has a microsoft article, I can make a safe bet you'll be one of the first three posters with the same tired message.

smooth3006 said,
i think im going to pass on the beta this time, not interested in the slightest.

Bye bye - your comments won't be missed

The source seems reliable but the screenshot is terribly disappointing. It looks like nothing changed on Media Center!
It's hard to believe considering the amount of time that passed since the last release. The UX was good but not to the point where it would not deserve a fresh paint coat.
Few weeks to wait...

TheCyberKnight said,
The source seems reliable but the screenshot is terribly disappointing. It looks like nothing changed on Media Center!
It's hard to believe considering the amount of time that passed since the last release. The UX was good but not to the point where it would not deserve a fresh paint coat.
Few weeks to wait...

The mediacenter team were just a bunch of jerks when Vista and Win7 were being developed.

They refused to switch from their single use xml declarative language for UI design to something the rest of the corporation jumped on to right away.

I would expect Media center to die completely at some point, with the libraries needed for things like tuner access, metadata retrieval etc moved to the Windows Runtime.

MCML must DIE
XAML for the win!

That is the big reason you won't see any changes to media center that are worthwhile.

dotf said,
I would expect Media center to die completely at some point

Isn't the XBOX a media center already? They just need to port it to Windows

That's right. Just remove stuff from all the two bottom corners of the OS that actually make good use of Fitt's law. Bottom left: Start button, bottom right: Aero Peek/Show Desktop, Let's play some user interface games and experiments on our users.

xpclient said,
That's right. Just remove stuff from all the two bottom corners of the OS that actually make good use of Fitt's law. Bottom left: Start button, bottom right: Aero Peek/Show Desktop, Let's play some user interface games and experiments on our users.

This change doesn't have much if *any* effect on Fitt's law, as those actions still exist in those corners, and still have a practically infinite error tolerance in regards to the users mouse movements to those corners (given that no matter how much they try to move their most past those corners they can't, as they're out of screen bounds). Knowing that, and that Fitt's law "predicts that the time required to rapidly move to a target area", there is virtually no difference here in regards to that.

Obviously though, it is removing handy visual clues that something exists there :3

It would of course be interesting though to see how Fitt's Law rates the existing start menu hit targets against the new start screens hit targets - I'd wager the new one would come out on top.

Edited by ~Johnny, Feb 8 2012, 6:49pm :

~Johnny said,

This change doesn't have much if *any* effect on Fitt's law, as those actions still exist in those corners, and still have a practically infinite error tolerance in regards to the users mouse movements to those corners (given that no matter how much they try to move their most past those corners they can't, as they're out of screen bounds). Knowing that, and that Fitt's law "predicts that the time required to rapidly move to a target area", there is virtually no difference here in regards to that.

Obviously though, it is removing handy visual clues that something exists there :3

It would of course be interesting though to see how Fitt's Law rates the existing start menu hit targets against the new start screens hit targets - I'd wager the new one would come out on top.

Yeah it doesn't really affect the functionality of Fitt's law, but the discoverability will be poor and users getting surprised in a way they may not like.

xpclient said,
That's right. Just remove stuff from all the two bottom corners of the OS that actually make good use of Fitt's law. Bottom left: Start button, bottom right: Aero Peek/Show Desktop, Let's play some user interface games and experiments on our users.

My Windows 7 task bar is up top of the screen, much better for quick productivity.

WP7 said,

My Windows 7 task bar is up top of the screen, much better for quick productivity.

By putting it at the top, you are limiting your own use of Fitt's law to the top corners of the screen as well: top left to show the app's window menu and top right to close a maximized app. There is a reason the taskbar's at the bottom by default.

I really have a good feeling Windows 8 wil be a huge success!

Its going to be faster, more improvments and new features then Windows 7!

Yes the Start button "Orb" will be hidden in the task bar. But is that really a huge deal?

Sometiems we get so used to using something the same way for years and years that when a major change is made its under standable why people would get nervous. But just like most things after using it for a while you will get used to it.

Same goes for the new metro start screen.

People are so used to using the old Start All Programs list so its going to take some time for people to get used to not having that anymore. The new Metro start screen does not seem to that bad and I am sure in time I like others will get used to it. Now having said that I do think Microsoft should included an option for the now Classic start menu from Windows 7!

There must also be some explanation of the blurred text - does Microsoft still believe the term "Consumer Preview" is a secret

This build is likely post Consumer Preview, given that that was finished over a week ago - and the softies in the Build Windows team are hardly going to just stay running old builds

Ah, so that tweet might have been based on reports that Tom was referring to.

For the record, I haven't looked at what Tom wrote until you brought up the link, nor was I intending to copy him in any way. (He has also updated his article accordingly.)

majortom1981 said,
This article goes against the verge article since this one is directly from the official twitter account.

Quite, but that tweet wasn't referring to Consumer Preview features, just that Media Centre won't be dropped from 8.

evacchi said,
erm... so Media Center is still a plain win32 application? no WinRT? strange.

Actually it is a .NET application not Win32, but yeah there are some things that make you wonder what are they thinking. Media Center features and Zune should be combined as a WinRT app, but who knows.

evacchi said,
erm... so Media Center is still a plain win32 application? no WinRT? strange.

Don't get your expectations too high. Media Center will not (at least in the short term) become a WinRT application. It requires access to the video capture and TV tuning hardware which is not currently possible using the WinRT API.

Or, one could expect that Microsoft finally separates the media consumption from the capture and offers a single, unified and Metro based media player that could also consume Zune content (the Marketplace and MusicPass).

TheCyberKnight said,

Don't get your expectations too high. Media Center will not (at least in the short term) become a WinRT application. It requires access to the video capture and TV tuning hardware which is not currently possible using the WinRT API.

Or, one could expect that Microsoft finally separates the media consumption from the capture and offers a single, unified and Metro based media player that could also consume Zune content (the Marketplace and MusicPass).

they could "easily" make the capturing part a service that is controlled by the winRT application.

I really can't wait to play around with the Consumer Preview. I'm looking forward to seeing how they've polished some of these things...