Latest Windows 8.1 Update 1 screenshots show changes to Start screen

With Windows 8.1 Update 1 reportedly set for release on March 11, information about what we can expect to see in the revised OS is already emerging. On Wednesday, screenshots leaked showing Modern apps (or 'Store apps') pinned to the taskbar on the Desktop, and on Thursday, further screenshots gave an additional look at this feature. 

Another day, another leak - this time from WZor.net, the site that first published Wednesday's screenshots. The latest images show the familiar Windows Start screen, but with a couple of interesting changes. 

In the current release of Windows 8.1, right-clicking on a Start screen tile with your mouse will bring up a menu bar at the bottom of the screen. But in the build shown in these images, taking that action now brings up a mouse-friendly menu that hovers directly over the tile that you've just right-clicked on. 

The changes mean that mouse users will no longer have to sweep the cursor down to the bottom of the display to perform an action each time they right-click on a tile - for example, to resize it or unpin it from the Start screen. 

We would assume that performing this action via touch - i.e. pushing and holding a tile - will still bring up the menu bar at the bottom of the screen, since the mouse-friendly menus shown in these images are far too small to be conveniently pressed by fat fingers. 

One other major detail to note from these images can be seen at the upper right of the Start screen, which now includes a Search button and, at long last, a Power button. Windows 8.x users have long been vexed by the decision to 'hide' the Power options - including the facility to shut down or hibernate the system - under the Settings Charm located on the right-edge of the display. Many will no doubt be delighted to see this moved to a more accessible location. 

Expect plenty more leaks related to Windows 8.1 Update 1 in the days and weeks ahead - and we'll be sure to cover them all here on Neowin.

Source and images: WZor.net

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The comments on this article reflect what I see everyday. Some people like Windows 8 "blocky" interface, while most just hate the thing.

What they need to do is make the touch BACK button that is in the top left corner of the apps BIGGER. I find that button too small on my surface. Double the size please for guys with bigger hands.

-adrian- said,
AFAIK I remember that Icons on a Desktop are squares as well . tell me if I am wrong

You mean the Office icons? Because no other icon is square...

How come Windows doesn't have multiple desktops yet?

It seems like a nice feature they could've added a while back.

Isn't the mouse cursor automatically hidden in Windows when screenshots are taken? How come the mouse cursor, if not hidden, isn't displayed over the submenus in the contextual menu?

allan.nyholm said,
Isn't the mouse cursor automatically hidden in Windows when screenshots are taken? How come the mouse cursor, if not hidden, isn't displayed over the submenus in the contextual menu?
It's hovering above "Size" in the screenshots, and like you said yourself: it doesn't get included in the screenshots you make.

There is no way these screenshots are real. They seem like an uninspired attempt with Photoshop and a glass of cheap red wine.

The icons are copied from the charms, directly. They're not even buttons, they're just the charms images.

The contextual menus are neither actual desktop contextual menus, wrong color, wrong font nor the Modern contextual menu.

Also it opens the wrong way, the submenu from the "resize" opens to the left on the "screenshot" but in reality would open to the right, since there is plenty of space for it.

Note how the submenu stupidly and unnecessarily blocks out the tile it is supposedly editing.

Note that Microsoft already has a UI design for contextual menus in Modern, used e.g. in IE11.

The whole look and feel is completely out of character with anything Microsoft is doing, whether it be in Modern UI or Desktop UI.

In other words, I can't believe anyone takes these low res "screenshots" seriously, as they seem to be nothing but an amateur's attempt to show off his 1337z0r UI designing "skills".

Granted, Microsoft may well be implementing *all* of the above, context menus in Start, some sort of power buttons, whatever - but that is not it. And I can't believe that anyone would think so. Even as a "work in progress".

Atlantico said,
There is no way these screenshots are real. They seem like an uninspired attempt with Photoshop and a glass of cheap red wine. [...] There is no way [...]

So many words and yet you'll be proven wrong.

Just so you know, you can control whether the menus open to the left or to the right. It's found within the "Handedness" options within Tablet PC Settings. If you're running a desktop, and you don't have Tablet PC Settings, you can still easily access it by running the following from the Windows Run dialog:
%windir%\explorer.exe shell:::{80F3F1D5-FECA-45F3-BC32-752C152E456E}

So, it is not "bad photoshopping" that causes the menu to open leftward. It is a user setting.

Of course are those icons copied from the charms. What do you expect? That they create new icons for something they already have icons for. Also, the contextual menus might just get a redesign, currently, they still have their Windows 7 look without the gradient background, the arrows that are used aren't Metro either, they are still from Aero Glass. I wouldn't mind if they redesign it. Also, the fact that the menu show up on the wrong side, might also be caused due to a bug. Those are leaked version, they aren't ment for public and so will contain bugs.

Also, no worries about the design for now, there is still plenty of time and Microsoft has never spend a lot of time on design when a feature isn't ready yet, for example: the new PC Settings app and Small Live Tiles where both visualy broken in the 4 pre-Windows 8.1 Preview leaks. I do prefer too to first create all features and then make the design work right, so it doesn't look like it is pasted next to other things.

"So many words and yet you'll be proven wrong."

Yeah, Nostradamus, tell us more about your prophetic skills.

"Just so you know, you can control whether the menus open to the left or to the right."

%windir%\explorer.exe shell:::{80F3F1D5-FECA-45F3-BC32-752C152E456E} Indeed, that's *obviously* what happened. Occams razor, ever cut yourself with it? The odds of anyone doing that and being the "mysterious" leaker of images of the upcoming update to Windows is astronomical.

"Of course are those icons copied from the charms. What do you expect? "

That they'd use similar metaphors for interactive buttons, like the "down" arrow on the very same Start Screen? Put a circle around it, something. It doesn't fit with the basic UI metaphors Microsoft has been using consistently in their OS, on their website, on their XBOX, just about everywhere. But not there, noooo surely not! You people are so gullible.

Edited by Atlantico, Jan 26 2014, 10:33pm :

Atlantico said,
"So many words and yet you'll be proven wrong."

Yeah, Nostradamus, tell us more about your prophetic skills.

Us? How many of you are there? That being said, I don't need any "prophetic skills" in this case. So many words and reasoning, yet you can't seem to acknowledge this is a pre-release interface. Argue as much as you want though.

agtsmith said,

Us? How many of you are there? That being said, I don't need any "prophetic skills" in this case. So many words and reasoning, yet you can't seem to acknowledge this is a pre-release interface. Argue as much as you want though.

Us as in me and the others who post and read here. Nostralamus.

Atlantico said,

Us as in me and the others who post and read here. Nostralamus.

Oh, thank you. Are you proven wrong yet, or did you choose to ignore the recent leak that confirms everything?

agtsmith said,

Oh, thank you. Are you proven wrong yet, or did you choose to ignore the recent leak that confirms everything?

Two things have been proven, one that you're a douchbag and act like one and two, there was a leak of something that isn't finished but curiously contains all the same quirks of the leaked images above such as the completely weird contextual menus opening to the left. Which indicates that the leak was fiddled with and is not kosher.

Furthermore it is buggy, inconsistent and clearly not finished in any sense of the word.

Slowly creeping back to normalization, and glad they are beginning to see sense now, with some of the muppets gone at MS Windows 9 cant come quick enough

There is hope after this awful mess, there really is.

Windows-9 will tell. If MS screws up that version (they has best get the UI mess fixed), Windows-7 will remain the dominant OS for a very long time (at least until 2020). In the meantime, other companies will be eager to lure away dissatisfied MS users.

TsarNikky said,
Windows-9 will tell. If MS screws up that version (they has best get the UI mess fixed), Windows-7 will remain the dominant OS for a very long time (at least until 2020). In the meantime, other companies will be eager to lure away dissatisfied MS users.

Why not just go now? You seem pretty ****ed off no matter what they do.

Dot Matrix said,

Why not just go now? You seem pretty ****ed off no matter what they do.


Because Windows 7 is a great OS and has support until 2020. Why in the world would we leave a perfectly good OS for a **** OS (Linux, OSX, Win 8.x)? That would just be stupid. MS has until 2020 to fix their ****. All the other OSes out there have until 2020 to become decent. I wonder who is going to win...... no really ... at this point I am not sure who will win. You used to be able to count on MS to fix their eff-ups one release later, and yet here we are almost to 2 releases later and no fix in sight. MS the new Blackberry!

bad. very bad. i'm stickin with win7. maybe windows 9 will be a great success. all the awesome developpers will keep making win7 compatible softwares anyway. ill go buy a mac or something if i wanted to have a shiny UI and feel slick and modernish heh.

merandus said,
ill go buy a mac or something if i wanted to have a shiny UI and feel slick and modernish heh.

LOL. OSX's UI is even older than Windows 7's aero.

I see a problem. Even if it is a great OS why would someone who in 2012 bought an uber icore7 upgrade to Windows 9 in 2019?

CPU's have hit their limit in terms of performance. The only tangible reason is for quicker startup times because SSDs will be more common place.

Unless their systems stop working most will keep using Windows 7 then and maybe even Windows 8 too! In the past hardware became so slow and obsolete that you had to keep upgrading for the sake of it and get new operating systems every 2 - 5 years.

Those days are over now as a modern icore7 has about 100,000,000,000 instructions per second of power!!

"The changes mean that mouse users will no longer have to sweep the cursor down..."

Sweep? That's a bit of a loaded word... it makes it sound more difficult than it is.

Regardless it was still a poor design clearly designed solely for touch screens. Mice have multiple buttons, context menus make much more sense.

Its fine and not a big deal. The context menu, besides being ugly, also would limit you from selecting multiple items by right clicking, which is what right clicking allows you to do on the Start Screen, because the menu would be in front of everything.

Yay, an OS designed around what every single end user wants, if you whine enough MS will make a change for you. Thats a recipe for success. So much for the MS vision and road map and the strong internal will to carry it out. I wish I could go to some of the meetings at MS where these decisions are made.

Power users rejoice, your OS is designed for the lowest common dumbed down denominator.

derekaw said,
Yay, an OS designed around what every single end user wants, if you whine enough MS will make a change for you. Thats a recipe for success. So much for the MS vision and road map and the strong internal will to carry it out. I wish I could go to some of the meetings at MS where these decisions are made.

Power users rejoice, your OS is designed for the lowest common dumbed down denominator.

Windows is the OS dominant OS because it has always been flexible and with plenty of options to satisfy the highest percentage of potential users; what is wrong with a system that is able to adapt to people preferences? Only zealots trying to impose their "vision" are unable to grasp one of the base concept of sales.

Great features, but I hope they execute it nicer....
- The right click menu should look more like the press-and-hold menus in Windows Phone, it'd look much nicer.
- The Power button should go at the bottom or in the User image menu under "Log Out"... or even better, at the bottom of the charm bar (instead of in the Settings menu)

Also - what's the point of the Search button? All you have to do is start typing and the search pane pops up (just like the Win7 start menu), that search button is wasted space.

the point of the search button is to let people know they can search. How is the average person suppose to know they can just start typing.

interesting statement - the address bar on most browsers isn't labelled with the word 'address' so how is the average person meant to know they can type an address there?

Let it be true - in-place context-sensitive right click menus in WinRT. This will be huge. Anyone claiming to truly miss the old Start Menu should be ecstatic about this.

heheh, I say that because if you truly used the advanced abilities of the old Start Menu, then there's no way you're not pulling your hair out of the lack of pervasive in-place context menus in the Modern UI. If that doesn't irk you, then you're just complaining about the Start Menu to be complaining, lol. That's my opinion anyway. It may just be the Start Page, but if they leave it in, it'll spread ... Some things just can't be replaced for efficiency, in-place context menus when you have a precision pointing device is one of them.

A modernized compact start Menu would be nice, but in-place context sensitive menus are Grrreaat!

I said from before release that Microsoft should have included shutdown options on the Start Screen and right-clicking should display a context menu rather than the horrible Metro bar. It's sad that it has taken this long to add what should have been there from the beginning. I also have repeatedly argued that Metro apps should appear in the taskbar, which is something that will also be included.

Microsoft arrogantly tried to force users to adapt to a touch-orientated UI instead of leveraging the strengths of keyboard and mouse. Hopefully Windows 9 will take things further, like allowing users to run Metro apps on the desktop in a window (I believe that's rumoured to be coming).

theyarecomingforyou said,
I said from before release that Microsoft should have included shutdown options on the Start Screen and right-clicking should display a context menu rather than the horrible Metro bar. It's sad that it has taken this long to add what should have been there from the beginning. I also have repeatedly argued that Metro apps should appear in the taskbar, which is something that will also be included.

Microsoft arrogantly tried to force users to adapt to a touch-orientated UI instead of leveraging the strengths of keyboard and mouse. Hopefully Windows 9 will take things further, like allowing users to run Metro apps on the desktop in a window (I believe that's rumoured to be coming).


Well at least now you don't need to be angry with them since they are listening to you.

I'll give you that one tacfy. I didn't think having it on the Charm > Settings > Power was a difficult, or difficult at all, as people made it out to be, but it does make sense and is more convenient and efficient to have it on the Start Page. I actually thought it probably should have been right under sign out when you right click on your profile pic on the Start Page.

Having said that, I don't like the search icon there. Just start typing. Come to think of it, I don't like the power button either. It makes that are a too buys and breaks the theme. But, I'm not going to go crazy if they leave it.

trooper11 said,
Well at least now you don't need to be angry with them since they are listening to you.

I'm not angry; in fact it takes a lot for a company to backtrack like this.. Sure I'm disappointed that it took this long but anything that improves the user experience is fine by me.

MorganX said,
I'll give you that one tacfy. I didn't think having it on the Charm > Settings > Power was a difficult, or difficult at all, as people made it out to be, but it does make sense and is more convenient and efficient to have it on the Start Page. I actually thought it probably should have been right under sign out when you right click on your profile pic on the Start Page.

Actually, I made that suggestion too. The Lock and Sign Out options are already there so it would have made sense to include the power options, especially given how awkward the Charm Bar is with mouse and keyboard (all the more so with multiple monitors).

theyarecomingforyou - Then explain how is it that users with no touch support in their hardware at all adjust just fine? It's not just the touch-screen users that aren't complaining - keyboard-centric users are not having problems, either. (If anything, keyboard-centric users are glad to be out from under the bus that we got thrown under when the Start menu was introduced with Windows 95.) That pointing-device-centric-fanatical comment simply made me even angrier - we got thrown under the bus; therefore we no longer deserve any respect? Nobody - least of all me - ever said that pointing-device-centric users would not have issues; however, I think some of you are deliberately magnifying those issues because you miss the grease you were getting - so now you are deliberately deciding to increase your squeakage in the hopes of getting your kissing-up back.

In defense of tacfy, awkward does not mean impossible or even difficult to work with. Just awkward. I have 2 27" monitors and the charms bar can be awkward, especially the one on the secondary screen. I also have one Win32 app I use every day that when maximized (my preferred way to run it) doesn't allow the Charm Bar to activate. I'm sure that's the program's fault, but it's probably not the only one.

I'm fine with the Charm bar, but I get why some would find it awkward, especially on multiple monitors.

bring back the start menu, because not everyone have a touchscreen or want a desktop to be a tablet.

make it optional or at least give classic users an option to put the thing they way it worked before.

stop forcing UI mess

PGHammer said,
I don't have touch support, but DO have a keyboard - not everyone is pointing-device-centric, not even on desktops.

Users from the DOS era? Absolutely. Average users who started using computers in the Windows era...... by far less inclined and knowledgeable.

rfirth said,
Are you expected to know you have to click the clock to shut down your Chrome OS device?

My assumption is that, in order to bring up that panel, you can click anywhere within the shaded area on the lower right that visibly groups the clock, wifi strength/battery indicator and the user icon. Whether or not the user is expected to find out about that on her own, I don't know but it would seem reasonable to me - just like W8 expects you to figure out that you can click the user icon on the Start Screen in order to sign out.

http://cdn-static.zdnet.com/i/...05/010890/chromeos-2012.jpg

Don't get me wrong though, I think MS is on the right path here. They seem to be implementing lots of fixes (and have already implemented some, in 8.1) that I'd asked for.

Seriously? Ok mouse users, we have things called buttons. Push the power button on your desktop, it will shut down itself (no it doesn't force shutdown). Desktops are configured this way by default, don't talk about mouse travel and clicks, its just one button. Laptop users almost never shutdown these days, close the lid and go. Tablet users just lock their devices. This is just adding more clutter.

I don't get the obsession with a power button myself. When I had a laptop I just closed the lid. Open it up and bam back in business. On my desktop I have it go to sleep and wake it up when I am going to use it again fairly quickly. It doesn't use a lot of power while sleeping.

And even on a desktop, you can simply power it off without having to go through the rubric that is required in 7 and earlier. No, I'm not kidding - I did, in fact, document it. Multiple times - starting with the darn Developer Preview. That whole "follow this chain of steps" that has been required since 9x is completely and utterly irrelevant on any hardware running Windows 8 or 8.1. New hardware, older hardware - it doesn't matter; if it is running Windows 8 or 8.1, that's that much less of a routine you have to follow. Just power it off - period.

In other words, a change that would normally benefit portable-hardware users actually also benefits DESKTOP hardware users - even old hardware users. (Remember. the core of my system dates back to Windows Vista - not 7, let alone 8.) While newer hardware definitely benefits (mostly due to better ACPI support - Intel G41, let alone G31, has issues with ACPI), so does old hardware.

Golly gee! Is Microsoft finally getting the hint that the original Windows-8 Metro interface just does not work well over all platforms?? This update, at the very least, a limited attempt to fix the UI mess. However, a total fix is still needed. Windows-9 could be that opportunity. Just remember--give users the CHOICE of UI to use during install (and possibly subsequently via the Control Panel).

TsarNikky said,
Golly gee! Is Microsoft finally getting the hint that the original Windows-8 Metro interface just does not work well over all platforms?? This update, at the very least, a limited attempt to fix the UI mess. However, a total fix is still needed. Windows-9 could be that opportunity. Just remember--give users the CHOICE of UI to use during install (and possibly subsequently via the Control Panel).

No. This argument is old. Microsoft isn't removing Metro, and nor should they. If by now you can't adapt to it, that's your issue, not MSFT's.

TsarNikky said,
I didn't say remove the Metro UI. I did say give users the choice of UI that suits their needs.

Uhh, they are. You can pin Metro apps to the taskbar, and soon, the Start Screen is getting more options.

Dot Matrix said,

No. This argument is old. Microsoft isn't removing Metro, and nor should they. If by now you can't adapt to it, that's your issue, not MSFT's.

Are you serious? If a relevant segment of your clientele do not like what you are offering is their problem and not yours?
Even the guy walking up and down 5th Avenue and selling faked Rolex watches from a briefcase knows better....

Fritzly said,

Are you serious? If a relevant segment of your clientele do not like what you are offering is their problem and not yours?
Even the guy walking up and down 5th Avenue and selling faked Rolex watches from a briefcase knows better....

Of course I'm serious. As time moves on, do you think things will not change? Windows 7 and below is a different product catering to a different market segment. One that is slowly dying off. Do you think MSFT should not adapt to new trends?

Dot Matrix said,

Of course I'm serious. As time moves on, do you think things will not change? Windows 7 and below is a different product catering to a different market segment. One that is slowly dying off. Do you think MSFT should not adapt to new trends?

This is getting really surreal, it reminds me of the conversations with Salvador Dali'....
and this why:
The so called "dying market", AKA desktops, represents a substantial segment of the market and it would be suicidal to ignore it; this is a fact, not an opinion. There is nothing wrong in MS attempting to make W8 and futures releases of the OS accommodating such segment. The point is that the refinements, adjustments that the company is making do not affect at all people who prefer to use exclusively, primarily or even sporadically the Metro environment. What MS is doing is simply adding options, not something mandatory, to appease people who prefer to be primarily in the Desktop, something that W8 in its original release did not.


Dot Matrix said,

No. This argument is old. Microsoft isn't removing Metro, and nor should they. If by now you can't adapt to it, that's your issue, not MSFT's.

That would be a well backed statement to make if Windows 8 was running on a majority of the devices out there. You know, adapt or die off because it's the, "standard,", but it's not. It becomes Microsoft's issue when a good chunk of the buying public decides to ignore your offerings and go with someone else...

benthebear said,

That would be a well backed statement to make if Windows 8 was running on a majority of the devices out there. You know, adapt or die off because it's the, "standard,", but it's not. It becomes Microsoft's issue when a good chunk of the buying public decides to ignore your offerings and go with someone else...

I agree. I have said this many times. Businesses do not get a free pass to do whatever they want to do. If people do not like it, and do not buy it, you WILL lose money. You WILL have to change YOUR product if you want to keep customers.

benthebear said,
Figures. As soon as I get use to doing something the new way THEY CHANGE IT AGAIN!

These changes don't really change how you use the system. Not sure what you're complaining about here.

I've been watching a lot of Seinfeld lately, so I apologize for posting in the voice of George Constanza. You're right, these changes doesn't really change how you use the system, and I would say some of these changes are for the better, but whose to say that theses are the only changes being made?

The reason why I was, "complaining," is that when coming from Windows 7 to Windows 8, you had to learn the new ways to accomplish old tasks. I've been using Windows 8 since the CP, so once I learned the new fangled way, it becomes muscle memory. You get use to how things are laid out, or how they react when you interact with them. For instance, you right-click, and you know what bars are poping up, and where to move the mouse to select the option you want to apply or what not. They're changing that behavior...again. Back the context menu we go. Two years after getting use to the Metro type behavior and liking it.

My only hope is that there's an option to keep doing it they way I've been doing in, like with the new option to pin Metro apps to the desktop, or keep them tucked away to the left (the way I prefer), so that it is a consistent experience when jumping back and forth between my desktop and Yoga 13. But then we run the risk of weighing Windows down with a bunch of check boxes.

It is amazing how companies suddenly get "interested" when they see sales dollars either not being spent or being spent elsewhere.

So can mouse users still multi-select a bunch of tiles and resize them all at once? Or do they have to change them one at a time now? Do they have to hold down Ctrl and then click to select more than one? How is that any more discoverable?

This isn't a good change at all.

Kyang said,
Do they have to hold down Ctrl and then click to select more than one? How is that any more discoverable?

That's how it works in Windows 8.1, and probably Windows 8. Yes, there were other ways (like right clicking in 8.1), but Ctrl+click also works.

How is it any more discoverable? Because that's exactly how it has worked in Windows Explorer and the Desktop for 2 decades... and in fact on Mac and Linux. The only consistent way to implement it is Ctrl+click.

Clicking on the bottom left corner for start is how things have been done for 20 years as well, but the moment the flag disappeared, people were still lost. So I'd have to disagree with that line of reasoning.

As for mentioning Ctrl+clicking as being how it works in 8.1, fair enough! .

I imagine the method for touch will remain unchanged.

Kyang said,
I imagine the method for touch will remain unchanged.

I hope they change it back to the way it was in Windows 8.

rfirth said,

I hope they change it back to the way it was in Windows 8.

The short drag down to select things really was great wasn't it? I really liked that too, but I never held out hope that it would return. .

The power button is a good addition IMHO, but on a tablet/laptop it would be superfluous as you can easily reach the power button on the device and would seem like a waste of screen space. I hope it autodetects what type of device you use it on or has customization options. The latter is what seems to be missing from the tile interface.

No, the on-screen power button would provide all the options like log-off, restart etc. that the one on the old Start menu did. Also all the desktops I've seen have power buttons (and often restart buttons too), so I guess there's no need for the OS to display these option?

Just look at that Support Engineer's answer:

I would like to inform you that the issue you are facing is not a bug.

Microsoft will consider an issue as a bug only if we face the same issue in a bunch of computers which are running on the same Operating System.

They should fire such morons but I guess they'd be all out of Support guys then. Makes me wish I could go an slap some (common) sense into them.

One more thing that's just so MASSIVELY annoying I'm surprised it wasn't fixed in 8.1 itself. Why do we need to keep activating the damn on-screen keyboard manually Every. Single. Time when in desktop mode? It auto pops-up in Metro mode just fine whenever required, but in desktop mode the dumb icon just sits there in the notification area doing nothing. How the hell this got past user testing I don't know. Sadly I don't have much hope of this being fixed in 8.1 U1 either.

they could add shutdown / restart within user name menu now it looks ugly with search and power button near user name even right click on tiles ruined thanks to whining users


subcld said,
they could add shutdown / restart within user name menu now it looks ugly with search and power button near user name even right click on tiles ruined thanks to whining users



this would make the most sense of a place to put it.

subcld said,
they could add shutdown / restart within user name menu now it looks ugly with search and power button near user name even right click on tiles ruined thanks to whining users

That's where I always thought it should be honestly.

Also, can we take a second to remember that this is MICROSOFT working on this? I don't understand what public feedback has to do with poor design. There are many instances where Microsoft has listened to public feedback and done great things; how responsibility is taken away from MS whenever they crap out a bad design is beyond me...

There's nothing good in this news.

It seems Microsoft is ready to bastardize the Modern experience to somewhat ease the pain within the desktop experience. This is absolutely NOT the way to go.

What is shown above does not really help in any way compared to the current feature offered. On top of this, it looks terrible.

Wrong way Microsoft.

TheCyberKnight said,
There's nothing good in this news.

It seems Microsoft is ready to bastardize the Modern experience to somewhat ease the pain within the desktop experience. This is absolutely NOT the way to go.

What is shown above does not really help in any way compared to the current feature offered. On top of this, it looks terrible.

Wrong way Microsoft.

They're bastardizing the right click panel on desktops. Something that's going to create a disjointed experience between devices. ****ing great. Thanks whiners.

Dot Matrix said,

They're bastardizing the right click panel on desktops. Something that's going to create a disjointed experience between devices. ****ing great. Thanks whiners.

They just need to modernize the right click menu. Honestly even on a touchscreen it bothers me that touch+hold brings up a bottom menu instead of a menu right where I'm already touching. Probably one of the very few things that bothers me about W8 actually.

Dot Matrix said,

They're bastardizing the right click panel on desktops. Something that's going to create a disjointed experience between devices. ****ing great. Thanks whiners.

Whatever dude. Several people have documented exactly how Microsoft could make everyone happy -- THIS is not it. This is just another example of Microsoft being run by short-bus idiots.

runningnak3d said,
Several people have documented exactly how Microsoft could make everyone happy -- THIS is not it.
If you think they can do anything to make everyone happy you're just deluding yourself. There will always be complaints and complainers.

Romero said,
If you think they can do anything to make everyone happy you're just deluding yourself. There will always be complaints and complainers.

But offering more options will abate their numbers therefore, a logic step.

Fritzly said,
But offering more options will abate their numbers
May, or unfortunately may not. Now you'll see people complaining about how mixed up they are, why they need to include so many options instead of just the one set of features the complainer likes, blah blah blah. I can see a lot of that on this very page itself.

Dear God, that right click menu is hideous. A desktop right click doesn't belong on a Metro start screen. Where's the Metro right click? Please tell me this is just WIP.

Edited by Dot Matrix, Jan 25 2014, 1:36pm :

Dot Matrix said,
Dear God, that right click menu is hideous. A desktop right click doesn't belong on a Metro start screen. Where's the Metro right click? Please tell me this is just WIP.

I hope it is, but there is something interesting about it. The menus are not the same as the desktop, but match the style of the Metro ones but without the increased padding and increased font size, and a shadow added.

Dot Matrix said,
Dear God, that right click menu is hideous. A desktop right click doesn't belong on a Metro start screen. Where's the Metro right click? Please tell me this is just WIP.

couldn't I say the same thing about the desktop? Dear God why are all these metro UI features thrown ontop of the desktop!

neufuse said,

couldn't I say the same thing about the desktop? Dear God why are all these metro UI features thrown ontop of the desktop!

Because Windows 8 is Metro? Therefore, it's going to be system wide, including the embedded desktop.

The "Windows Store" style context menu has too many limitations (max six items, no submenu's as far as I can tell); so instead of improving that, they just revert back to the standard Windows context menu.

Dot Matrix said,

Because Windows 8 is Metro? Therefore, it's going to be system wide, including the embedded desktop.

shell32 is still the default shell, therefore metro is not system wide

Because "tap and hold" is way slower and more clucky for a tablet user than simply swiping up from the bottom...

And because "tap and hold" is also already implemented exactly the way you describe in places where sliding up from the bottom of the screen don't make sense (like saving an image on a website).

What is the problem with the current method of accessing the power button. Right click on the Metro Charms in the lower left corner, choose shut down or sign out. Very simple.

I find that irritating to do with touch. A simple button directly on the Start screen with a drop-down menu is so much better.

Agree with you on the touch. My comment was in reference to using a mouse and keyboard. Like others have said, there should be a default UI for mouse and keyboard vs touch. I have the Surface Pro and using the right click method with touch is very irritating. Good point.

im actually surprised it took them so long to add those options (they shouldnt even be called features, since they shouldve been there from the alpha stages of windows 8)

im starting to think that the UI team at microsoft is retarded or something, or they take the public like the biggest source for guinea pigs for testing

its either that or my concept of reality is missing somewhere along the line

Nice, but no tablet user cares about a power button...its on the tablet itself....hopefully this can be removed for the post pc users and leave it as legacy for the pre mobile crowd.

So is the power button on a desktop/laptop. There's more to the power options than simply shutting down the computer, there's restart and sleep too.

neonspark said,
no tablet user cares about a power button...
Speak for yourself, I think this is great and with a drop-down menu of options will be awesome. Hope Microsoft also has the sense to include a Start screen clock in 8.1 U1 itself.

neonspark said,
Nice, but no tablet user cares about a power button...its on the tablet itself....hopefully this can be removed for the post pc users and leave it as legacy for the pre mobile crowd.

I wonder where all of these "post PC users" were when people like me, who does not fit in neither one of those silly categories that seems so popular nowadays, used Tablet PCs in 2002 in the field?
"post PC users" have not discovered the hot water.....

Power button should be in the bottom right corner as it is in the settings fly out, and on the login screen. Search should be to the left of the username and image, so they remain flush to the right edge of the screen.

Also, the right click/context menus should be the touch friendly metro ones for a consistent aesthetic, and for usability.

Or how about getting the OS to automatically enable the power button on desktops/laptops and disable it on tablets?

68k said,
Or how about getting the OS to automatically enable the power button on desktops/laptops and disable it on tablets?

Because that's unnecessarily confusing.

68k said,
Or how about getting the OS to automatically enable the power button on desktops/laptops and disable it on tablets?
Umm, why? Tablets don't need to be shut down, or their users need to be tortured more? I think this is great and the addition of a clock would make it perfect.

Romero said,
and the addition of a clock would make it perfect.

Several available apps will give you a live tile clock

trip21 said,

Several available apps will give you a live tile clock
Yeah, but I'm sure allowing a third party app of unknown quality background access so it can keep running and updating the tile is sure to drain the battery faster than having a solution built in. Also, one less tile space taken up that way. Same for an integrated shutdown option instead of using up more tiles for shortcuts.

Romero said,
Yeah, but I'm sure allowing a third party app of unknown quality background access so it can keep running and updating the tile is sure to drain the battery faster than having a solution built in. Also, one less tile space taken up that way. Same for an integrated shutdown option instead of using up more tiles for shortcuts.

This isn't Android. A simple clock tile definitely wont drain the battery at all with how Metro works, and Windows handles tile updates. I'd like to just see the time added to the Weather app tile.

NoClipMode said,

This isn't Android. A simple clock tile definitely wont drain the battery at all with how Metro works, and Windows handles tile updates. I'd like to just see the time added to the Weather app tile.
Be that as it may, dedicating a tile just to see something as basic as the time seems very cheap to me and not what an OS UI should be like. Having it as an option for the Weather app's tile is fine, but again not everyone might have or want that pinned.

Yay, mixed UI paradigms. /s

Microsoft of old is back, mixing UI paradigms horrendously once again. Just as I thought they were turning a corner on that era, they go and prove that nothing has changed at all.

I think they are introducing more inconsistencies in the UI this way.
That context menu looks inconsistent with other Metro context menus.

Someone (Sinofsky ?) came up with the idea of getting rid of the desktop. The desktop is not going away and win32 apps are here to stay.

Having a power button on the start screen makes sense for desktop users (after all Win 7 start menu showed the power button too). But it does not make sense for tablets with touch input.
Search button should have a text box next to it that receives keyboard focus automatically when the start screen is launched. The power button should not be placed next to the search button.

I agree fully. The position of the menu on the startscreen is fine for mouse users but it should appear like a metro menu. Something that looks similar to the bar in the touch version of the UI. That way it is an consistent experience but it adapts to the input you're currently using. It's the only way I can see this 'ONE OS' vision of Microsoft come to life without Windows being subpar on some platforms.

C#Rocks said,
Having a power button on the start screen makes sense for desktop users (after all Win 7 start menu showed the power button too). But it does not make sense for tablets with touch input.
Completely disagree. Why should we tablet users have to navigate through multiple charm bar levels just to shut down? A simple power button with a drop-down menu is so much better. I love this. Now if only they'd include a clock in the Start screen as well.

Why should we tablet users

... you mean every tablet that has power button on the edge of the screen? How do you even find this website without knowing how to use your device?

For tablet users the shutdown is easy to reach: settings -> shutdown, its as easy as in Windows 7: start -> shutdown, I can understand why its more difficuly for non-touch as the charmmenu isnt that intuitive for non-touch.

However do you really think having the button on screen al the time is the best solution? Seems like a hot fix to me. They've added parts of the charmbar all over the startscreen and its making the overall experience a mess. It would have been better if they had the entire charmbar on screen the moment you move the mouse.

Their current solution might make a bad non-touch experience acceptable but its turning a great touch experience into a mediocre one. Netto its diminishing Windows 8 in my opinion. Because while shutdown and search are on screen the non-touch user still has to deal with the charmbar/touch gestures for other bits. Why not one consistent solution that makes the whole (touch-based) UI adapted to non-touch situations?

Shadow 024 said,
you mean every tablet that has power button on the edge of the screen? How do you even find this website without knowing how to use your device?
I prefer an easily accessible software option since the power button on one of my Surface tablets has been giving me trouble of late, and even when it was working fine I preferred to set it to Sleep instead of Shutdown to prevent accidental shutdowns when I bumped the button. But of course morons like you think you're so smart, making ad hominem attacks on others who did nothing to antagonize you. Who let you out of your damn cage anyway?

Ronnet said,
For tablet users the shutdown is easy to reach: settings -> shutdown, its as easy as in Windows 7: start -> shutdown, I can understand why its more difficuly for non-touch as the charmmenu isnt that intuitive for non-touch.
Swipe once, settings, power button then select sleep, shutdown, restart etc. One swipe and three taps when in the old Start menu all it required was two clicks, one for opening the menu and the other for the default power button action. Making UI elements more difficult to access isn't sensible according to me. I don't care about the aesthetics or where it is placed on-screen. If they can make it accessible via the same two clicks/touches I'll be perfectly satisfied.

Alright but its possible to satisfy both your basic needs and keep the experience consistent at the same time.

Regarding the shutdown process, do you really find the swipe to be an additional step? I mean its basically the same as moving the mouse to the startbutton. You then press start or you press settings and there you see the shutdown button. If you were to time both processes I imagine the differences would be almost unmeasurable.

Lastly how fast does the shutdown process need to be? It's already 1-2 seconds. And its not something you do often. Especially on tablets. Does something like that really need to be immediatly visible on the startscreen? Awkwardly placed next to the search button?

Not the same when it requires double the steps, and remember I'm thinking of my aged relatives as well instead of just me and my nimble fingers and (still) good eyesight. I told you already, I don't care about the placement. If you think it's awkward then there's no problem placing it elsewhere with equally easy access via the same number of steps as earlier. That's what good UI design and UX testing is all about, isn't it? How about if all the options (shutdown, restart, ...) show up in the drop-down menu when you click on the user name? Still 2 clicks (one on user name and one to initiate action). Would you consider that better? I would definitely prefer that over the 4-step charms bar tango.

Also, what about a clock and battery percentage meter in the Modern UI? Do you think that would be out of place too? I think these are very much needed. Especially having to go to the desktop just to see the remaining battery percentage is so ridiculous it's unbelievable.

Edited by Romero, Jan 26 2014, 6:53pm :

I think the UI should adapt to the device its running on. Modern UI does have a clock and a battery meter, they're visisble when you access the charms. The reason why I like the charms is because they save screen real estate. So I don't see anything wrong with an additional swipe if it means more room for content at all times.

But I do think the UI isnt good for larger screens were there is plenty of room for buttons and what not. So I would like to see the UI adaptable to what platform its running on. In the case when it adapts then the experience should remain consistent. Which is why all of the charms should become visible in an onscreen bar that looks identical to the charmbar. The same goes for the battery meter and the clock. On a large screen they could/should Always be onscreen.

I dont think our wishes are clashing here. I think its more than possible to create an UI that has the features and consistency we both wants to have. ANd I think this holds true for most people. Which is why its a shame Microsoft has these hotfixes that wont please everyone, actually set back the UI for some and put Windows in a worse position in the long run.

Ronnet said,
I think the UI should adapt to the device its running on. Modern UI does have a clock and a battery meter, they're visisble when you access the charms. The reason why I like the charms is because they save screen real estate. So I don't see anything wrong with an additional swipe if it means more room for content at all times.
IMO it would have been frustrating as heck if all these years I had to keep swiping to display the taskbar just to see the clock and battery meter, not to mention the charms bar doesn't show the battery percentage at all. Even on a smaller screen such as the 10-odd inch Surface I think there's plenty of blank margin around the tiles to display the time and a battery meter icon. However I agree with your suggestion of an adaptable UI, provided the ultimate choice is left in the hands of users. For example by default show the clock etc. all the time on a large screen, and yet let the user choose whether he wants to see the same on the margins of a smaller screen as well (or conversely hide the same on a larger screen). I think this is definitely doable if MS so chooses and as long as the UI becomes more instead of less configurable, overall complaints ought to go down drastically.

Yea the actual percentage could be shown within the battery meter although I personally dont need to know the exact amount.

The swipe from the right to show time/battery is such a quick gesture that I dont find it annoying. Its not as if I must see the time and battery at every moment anyway. But indeed choice is best.

So now people can't multi select tiles with right click as they could before? That's so big an improvement. Good luck arranging the start screen if you don't have a touch screen, haha

most people still expect a right click to bring up a context menu - and now it does. Perhaps selecting multiple tiles will be like what the commenter above me says - ctrl+click

Ideas Man said,
Maybe you have to Ctrl+Click them like you do files in Windows Explorer?

Probably... given that Ctrl+Click is already a feature of the Windows 8.1 start screen.

rfirth said,

Probably... given that Ctrl+Click is already a feature of the Windows 8.1 start screen.

I must admit, I never tried it, and now that I have, thanks!

I agree with the idea behind these changes but not the execution.

First of all that mouse-friendly menu doesn't look good on the startscreen. Why not have a modern looking command wheel or memu pop-up right next to the cursor? Something that looks similar to the touch-friendly commandbar but then located next to the tile for easy mouse access?

Secondly the search button on the startscreen makes the charms more useless then they already become in 8.1. The charms were a nice idea for a touch interface and work great if you have a small screen and its a shame to waste space on buttons. So instead of changes the whole idea behind Windows 8 by bringing all the buttons to the screen, why not make them ''pop-up'' as soon as you touch the mouse?

For example when you usd touch Windows 8 looks as it does now. But when you use the mouse all the hidden UI elements come to the screen. The charmbar (incl. search and start) becomes accessible as a taskbar on the bottom that also includes the shutdown button. Once you use touch again this bar disappears. Its win/win for both worlds.

Agree. I like the changes, but the aesthetics are not very "Metro" (aka pretty). They could definitely make it look better. But, keep in mind, this is just a "leak." A lot can change between now and the release... and also between now and Windows 9.

cybersaurusrex said,
Agree. I like the changes, but the aesthetics are not very "Metro" (aka pretty). They could definitely make it look better. But, keep in mind, this is just a "leak." A lot can change between now and the release... and also between now and Windows 9.

I hope thats true but I doubt they're going to change the aesthetics between now and march. I also have little faith that they will since it is the same 'desktop look' that you see when you right click on an app on the appswitcher (to close it). Apparantly Microsoft has no problem with mixing the old desktop menu style and the modern style.

It's so strange since they've put so much attention into getting the start screen signature style right. But at the stranges moments when there is a bit of mouse action involved the old menus that can also be seen in Vista and 7 pop up. This definatly breaks the experience for me.

Ronnet said,

I hope thats true but I doubt they're going to change the aesthetics between now and march. I also have little faith that they will since it is the same 'desktop look' that you see when you right click on an app on the appswitcher (to close it). Apparantly Microsoft has no problem with mixing the old desktop menu style and the modern style.

It's so strange since they've put so much attention into getting the start screen signature style right. But at the stranges moments when there is a bit of mouse action involved the old menus that can also be seen in Vista and 7 pop up. This definatly breaks the experience for me.

We're talking about a very recent build, the build before it, those features weren't there, as far as we know, they never spend a lot of time on design when adding new things (for example, the small live tiles where visualy bugged up in all builds that leaked from Windows Blue).

I have no idea how this move works but it looks terrible.
Look at the ugly pop up menu which seems to be from 20 century and why put search box and power button on the top.

Because this is how Windows should be! It has been this way for more than twenty years! Microsoft screwed the pooch when they made this Metro ****.

Until they fix this failed abortion I will stay on Windows 7. I hope that they have learned their lesson, there should always be a clear delineation between a desktop OS and a mobile/tablet OS. This blending of the user interfaces is just that, ****.

trparky said,
Because this is how Windows should be! It has been this way for more than twenty years! Microsoft screwed the pooch when they made this Metro ****.

Until they fix this failed abortion I will stay on Windows 7. I hope that they have learned their lesson, there should always be a clear delineation between a desktop OS and a mobile/tablet OS. This blending of the user interfaces is just that, ****.

Agree

trparky said,
Because this is how Windows should be! It has been this way for more than twenty years! Microsoft screwed the pooch when they made this Metro ****.

Until they fix this failed abortion I will stay on Windows 7. I hope that they have learned their lesson, there should always be a clear delineation between a desktop OS and a mobile/tablet OS. This blending of the user interfaces is just that, ****.


Nice opinion you have there.

That power button... Maybe we get an X for apps as well?! I don't care how the start menu looks, just STOP HIDING MY TASKBAR behind it.

fLk said,
That power button... Maybe we get an X for apps as well?! I don't care how the start menu looks, just STOP HIDING MY TASKBAR behind it.

You don't need to see the taskbar to open or close a program in the start screen, what you can't remember what you're doing for the 5 seconds you need to be on it?

I'm a bit disappointed to see them pandering to those mouse and keyboard warriors who just can't seem to move past Windows XP but as the article says, assuming touch based operations remain as is guess there's no drama in making a more inclusive product.

Osiris said,
I'm a bit disappointed to see them pandering to those mouse and keyboard warriors who just can't seem to move past Windows XP but as the article says, assuming touch based operations remain as is guess there's no drama in making a more inclusive product.

These are needed changes because, lets face it, this touch-friendly UI is ruining a pefectly fine desktop OS. However the way Microsoft does about it is ruining a perfectly fine tablet OS!! There is a simple solution to make it work for both touch and mouse: adaptable UI (see my other post).

I agree. The new context menu on the start screen is a design regression. I'm concerned Microsoft is catering to the Window 8 detractors at the expense of those of us who like the new design.

Ronnet said,

These are needed changes because, lets face it, this touch-friendly UI is ruining a pefectly fine desktop OS. However the way Microsoft does about it is ruining a perfectly fine tablet OS!! There is a simple solution to make it work for both touch and mouse: adaptable UI (see my other post).

The only thing ruining Win 8 are the morons who can't adjust to a simple change, and hate the start screen, which is superior in ANY way you use it, for no valid reason

z0phi3l said,

The only thing ruining Win 8 are the morons who can't adjust to a simple change, and hate the start screen, which is superior in ANY way you use it, for no valid reason

I agree on the start screen. Whether its a menu or an screen shouldnt matter. But the touch gestures to access the charms and the appswitcher arent optimal for mouse. Its especially frustrating if you have a large screen and no need to hide UI elements to conserve room. It seems like you're running an operating system on a PC not made for an PC. And I guess that is indeed the case.

But some simply changes to the UI that can appear the moment you touch the mouse can fix this. An 'X' to close could appear in the right corner, the charms and appbar could become available on the bottom (although a smaller version then the touch friendly version, but still modern looking), etc.

z0phi3l said,

The only thing ruining Win 8 are the morons who can't adjust to a simple change, and hate the start screen, which is superior in ANY way you use it, for no valid reason

So nice of you to call people morons for not liking what you like then stating your opinions as facts.

z0phi3l said,

The only thing ruining Win 8 are the morons who can't adjust to a simple change, and hate the start screen, which is superior in ANY way you use it, for no valid reason

I'll bite. Why is the start screen superior? If you are like 95% of PC users with a keyboard and mouse what benefit is there to change something that has worked great for so long?

... I am waiting?

No they don't want to excersize their gorilla arms all day on their dual monitors with touch. Given that argument I will then ask why touch over a keyboard and mouse?

No answer again.

So now who is the moron? Those you mock who are resistant to change or those who have what works fine and maybe even better with XP?

FYI I am not one of these holdouts. But I work with such users. Yes the start screen is a great reason to fear leaving what they have unless they want an uber portable tablet.

They are most certainly not morons. Just non enthusiasts who need work done and don't like where it is heading as it has all negatives for zero tangible benefits unless they want a phone.

Nice to see they're making improvements, and fixing some of the more bizarre decisions they made. Hopefully they'll allow more flexible positioning of the tiles as well.

Small but VERY welcome changes.
I'm starting to get a little bit excited about Windows 8/9's future!

Well, you could always learn to simply start typing once the Start screen is up (As has been the case since Windows Vista), then it's not an issue.

Ideas Man said,
Well, you could always learn to simply start typing once the Start screen is up (As has been the case since Windows Vista), then it's not an issue.

what do you mean type? I NEED an icon or I have no clue how to open the program I don't know the name of

Well, you could always learn to simply start typing once the Start screen is up (As has been the case since Windows Vista), then it's not an issue.

The issue is that so many people don't realize this and complained about it that Microsoft has decided it should add a Search icon.

Yeah, it's right up there with how the Rename and Delete options are right next to each other in the RMB context menus. What imbecile ever thought that was a good idea?!

At least put a spacer in between them. How many network files (and thus non-recycle binned) have been inadvertently deleted because of that idiotic design decision how many decades ago?

excalpius said,
At least put a spacer in between them. How many network files (and thus non-recycle binned) have been inadvertently deleted because of that idiotic design decision how many decades ago?

It's a good thing it asks you for confirmation before deletion then yea?

Yay! This is great. But haters will hate, even if they fix every single complaint, because it will go to the reason, "I just hate the start screen! I want to still use a 1995 interface!"

If they keep adding functionality to the Start Screen and maybe allow to group tiles together I think people will really enjoy it.

Pulagatha said,
If they keep adding functionality to the Start Screen and maybe allow to group tiles together I think people will really enjoy it.

I guess that would be cool, but the current grouping functionality doesn't require clicking.

Not exactly. In 1995, everyone was furious about the Start Menu. The Start Menu made it almost impossible to open programs. For us 'power users', so they said, the Start Menu inhibits productivity.

Now, so many people are furious that the Start Menu is gone. The lack of a Start Menu inhibits productivity.

Maybe they aren't 'power users'. And maybe they aren't as smart as they think they are.

It maybe there is nothing wrong with Win 8.1 at all. As Hal once said, it's always user error. There is nothing wrong with Windows. You just can't figure it out.

It's your fault. Not theirs.

(Not necessarily you. I mean people that can't get Win 8)

I wrote a forum post on another site that said exactly that. I also talked about how people hated the mouse. But Microsoft has to be strong on this for it to work, or else they will not progress. It's like YouTube, they redesign it, and people hate it for two weeks and then everyone's used to it, but YouTube is redesigned every year, and Windows has been redesigned after 17 years.

Dunno, clicking in a corner once and having access to the specified number of most used programs, important folders, system settings, network connections, etc with one click is SO restricting! I'd rather scroll around live tiles.

mastercoms said,
Yay! This is great. But haters will hate, even if they fix every single complaint, because it will go to the reason, "I just hate the start screen! I want to still use a 1995 interface!"

Most people don't hate it, they are simply ignoring the inferior front end. *ahem* the same when we ignored Microsoft BOB. (another front end).

Zagadka said,
Dunno, clicking in a corner once and having access to the specified number of most used programs, important folders, system settings, network connections, etc with one click is SO restricting! I'd rather scroll around live tiles.

Wait, you still don't open the Start Menu/Screen and simply start typing? Geez, talk about living in the past. Your key folders are accessible from the Windows/File Explorer icon on the taskbar, and everything else is WinKey+search term away. Who gives a rats about the quite often static small list of icons that appears.

Ideas Man said,

Wait, you still don't open the Start Menu/Screen and simply start typing? Geez, talk about living in the past. Your key folders are accessible from the Windows/File Explorer icon on the taskbar, and everything else is WinKey+search term away. Who gives a rats about the quite often static small list of icons that appears.


This!

Vista and 7 degraded the start menu to a fancy search box for those so called "Power Users".

off course this is easier:
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/getfile/137523
(most people's start menu was filled 10 times more than that....)

then this:
http://www.eightforums.com/att...your-start-screen-metro.png

Pishaw said,
Not exactly. In 1995, everyone was furious about the Start Menu. The Start Menu made it almost impossible to open programs. For us 'power users', so they said, the Start Menu inhibits productivity.

And it took them fourteen years to get the start menu "right".
Want quick access to your most used apps? Pin them to the start menu or taskbar.
Want quick access to your most used docs? Pin them to the pinned app in the start menu or taskbar.

Quick access to my most used docs is the only thing I'm missing from the start screen. Give me that, and I'll happily use Win8.x on my desktops.

And I don't even miss that, for the simple reason that most desktop applications (and all of the ones I normally use) have a list of the ten last files they opened in the application's File menu. If you sort by file type (as I would think that anyone that has been using Windows WOULD do), why would you even need to do that? (My usual desktop applications are Word, Excel (loan-amortization workbooks), Adobe Reader, and Notepad - every last one has that feature list I referred to above.) There IS a Documents folder (typically, it's <boot drive>\Users\<username>\Documents - the same place it's been since ME/2000/XP) - why can't you keep your documents there?

PGHammer said,
And I don't even miss that, for the simple reason that most desktop applications (and all of the ones I normally use) have a list of the ten last files they opened in the application's File menu. If you sort by file type (as I would think that anyone that has been using Windows WOULD do), why would you even need to do that? (My usual desktop applications are Word, Excel (loan-amortization workbooks), Adobe Reader, and Notepad - every last one has that feature list I referred to above.)

How does any of that make things quicker for the user? Open an app, wait for it to load, then MANUALLY open the document. Why would I WANT to regress to doing something SLOWER?

PGHammer said,
There IS a Documents folder (typically, it's <boot drive>\Users\<username>\Documents - the same place it's been since ME/2000/XP) - why can't you keep your documents there?
Not everyone stores their documents on their PC. I almost exclusively use cloud storage (dropbox, google drive, skydrive, asus webstorage, mega, etc), all on removable drives. Hell, I even move programdata and users to another drive, but that's another discussion.

All that says is that you are an exception - in other words, you aren't the rule, either. That is, in fact, the biggest issue, and one that has been the case with all GUIs - each group of users has their share of fanatics that think their way is the ONLY way, and it gets really bad when one group of users (pointing-device users, for example) has been getting all the breaks/love/kissing-up, which is exactly why I compared it to "Jim Crow" laws - which weren't just in the Deep South.

PGHammer said,
All that says is that you are an exception - in other words, you aren't the rule, either. That is, in fact, the biggest issue, and one that has been the case with all GUIs - each group of users has their share of fanatics that think their way is the ONLY way, and it gets really bad when one group of users (pointing-device users, for example) has been getting all the breaks/love/kissing-up, which is exactly why I compared it to "Jim Crow" laws - which weren't just in the Deep South.
And therein lies the problem; forcing people to do something in a way they would very much prefer not. No option. No choice. Do it this way, or don't do it at all.

One of the best things about Windows has been the freedom it has always given the user in the way they go about their daily computer-driven lives, even back in the 3.1 and '95 days.

3.1 users hated WIMP and much preferred DOS. '95 users hated the start menu and much preferred the program manager. BUT, and here's the thing, DOS was never stripped out of 3.1, and '95 still had a program manager of sorts. You didn't like using what you were given? You had the option and a choice of doing it differently, without having to rely on 3rd party software.

I'm not telling anyone to do something the way I do it, I just want to be given the option to continue doing it the way I do it.

Shadowzz said,

off course this is easier:
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/getfile/137523
(most people's start menu was filled 10 times more than that....)

then this:
http://www.eightforums.com/att...your-start-screen-metro.png

Not to mention when the menu has so many levels it starts wrapping around back towards the left. What fun! Also when you move the mouse slightly and end up closing all those opened levels by mistake, which I've often seen aged people do because their motor controls aren't so precise any more. The "in-place" Start Menu in Vista and Win7 was such a huge improvement, and of course the integrated search box just took it to another level altogether.

Ideas Man said,
Wait, you still don't open the Start Menu/Screen and simply start typing? Geez, talk about living in the past. Your key folders are accessible from the Windows/File Explorer icon on the taskbar, and everything else is WinKey+search term away. Who gives a rats about the quite often static small list of icons that appears.

When I open the start menu and type "windows update" it shows "Windows Phone", so that isn't flawless. Also, I have the Win key disabled because it is f*cking annoying.

I like to think of the start screen as a glorified desktop, since Microsoft saw in their usability studies that more people used the desktop than the start screen.

Pulagatha said,
If they keep adding functionality to the Start Screen and maybe allow to group tiles together I think people will really enjoy it.

Like a solid connected column (or row) of tiles that are one color and a News Feed similar to Rainmeter's Omnimo.

If it ain't broke don't fix it! The question for these users is not why to leave something so ancient? It is why leave something that has met their needs fine for 17 years?

Yes this opinion wants to make the average Neowin reader want to pull his hair out. But if you read the XP EOL stories at other sites this is the opinion of the start menu and XP holdouts.

If what you have works then change must be for the sake of change in their minds.

So I ask Neowin readers why use something different? Wheels are pretty darn ancient too. Would you want your car to have square wheels or change where the steering wheel and brakes are so motorcycle and trucks have the same driver UI with handles (no wheel) and feet back?!!

I mean come on! No one has mentioned WHY the start screen is better? Just that it's new.

Most users who are not enthusiasts like we are are resistant to change as a result

sinetheo said,
So I ask Neowin readers why use something different? Wheels are pretty darn ancient too. Would you want your car to have square wheels
Not gonna argue for or against Win8, but your analogy is flawed. Why posit only square wheels as an alternative? Yeah I'd definitely use something other than round wheels. Want to know what? No wheels at all. I'd like a flying car. As a self-help guru would say, don't limit yourself, dream and think big!

Now is the Start screen a flying car or will it get there eventually? That's the million dollar question, ain't it?

Yeah McFly showed us we would have them by next year back in 1985 so I am still crossing my fingers. Hoverboards too!

But the skype conference where it was monitored and networked to the home did certainly feel real.

In all defense how do you stop a flying car? With wheels you can at least apply brakes.

sinetheo said,
In all defense how do you stop a flying car? With wheels you can at least apply brakes.
Retro thrusters FTW!

Microsoft has invented context menus! What an advance. If only they could invent some way to switch between open programs... like... a bar at the bottom or something. Put a clock on one side of it.

/shouldn't complain about improvements regardless of how they shouldn't be necessary in the first place

siah1214 said,
That menu looks terrible.

But it's exactly the type of menu a mouse user would expect. It could be a metro-style menu, but it's not accessible by touch, so it doesn't need to be finger-friendly.

Unless you mean the power and search buttons... they are awful. Your name and picture should be in the top right corner where it is in 8.x. Search and power should go in the bottom right.

rfirth said,

But it's exactly the type of menu a mouse user would expect. It could be a metro-style menu, but it's not accessible by touch, so it doesn't need to be finger-friendly.

Unless you mean the power and search buttons... they are awful. Your name and picture should be in the top right corner where it is in 8.x. Search and power should go in the bottom right.


There is a "modern" right click menu used in IE11 that works really well, they should just replicate that on the start screen...

why would you have some profile options uptop then power options at the bottom by itself in a cluttered area of the screen, that would just be messy, where they have it on that image is tidy.

though I would move the profile/power section to the left and the word start to the right hand side for more ease of access for the mouse.

siah1214 said,

There is a "modern" right click menu used in IE11 that works really well, they should just replicate that on the start screen...

I completely agree. But if you look closely, and what no one else seems to have noticed yet, is that the context menu shown in these images is a new design.

For instance, right click on the desktop in 8 or 8.1, you will see the menu is light grey, the text closer together, along with lines and a blue mouse-over colour. In these images the new menu is white and a lot more plain, with grey mouse-over colour, it's a little more Metro. I just hope this new menu is used on all the desktop too and not just for the Start screen, or it will be yet another inconsistency (the Vista icons are bad enough).

CSheep said,

Is there a functional reason for it?


Absolutely: try to hit the, once hidden, spot using the stilo and not the wider surface of a finger.

rfirth said,
But it's exactly the type of menu a mouse user would expect.

That sums up the problem with Windows 8 or any future version it can't all be business as usual, users actually have to take 1/2 a second to understand the OS operations

There will be a lot of accidental shutdowns now. I like the way it is now on 8.1. For desktop right click the start button and Metro charms menu. Couldn't be any easier.

Doubtful. I would expect that tapping the Power button will simply bring up a 'Sleep/Shut down/Restart' pop-up, in exactly the same way that the current Power button does. Simply pushing the button is highly unlikely to immediately shut down the system.

gcaw said,
Doubtful. I would expect that tapping the Power button will simply bring up a 'Sleep/Shut down/Restart' pop-up, in exactly the same way that the current Power button does. Simply pushing the button is highly unlikely to immediately shut down the system.

What if you accidentally double tap?

Well, double-tapping the current Power button makes the pop-up appear, then disappear. It doesn't make the system shut down. So... I would expect that nothing of consequence would happen if you double-tap the relocated button.

I like the changes they're making, but they need to pretty it up a little bit. We want desktop functionality with Metro good looks. Hopefully they figure this out.

You can only idiot-proof a system so much. If a user like you're describing does this more than once, it's a PEBKAC issue not a design issue.

The pop-up menu should match the Metro theme (color) you've chosen instead of being white. It's too jarring.

If you right-click on a tile in 8.1, a menu pops up from the bottom and matches your Metro theme. The mouse-triggered menu box should too. It's a little thing, but it matters.

0nyX said,
Finally a power button where it is supposed to be

exactly, it might not be important to some but it was definitely a design flaw. Shutdown under setting? what device put shutdown under setting. I really think they should have perfected windows 8 and then released it so they could dismiss more than half of critics. anyways, better late than never.

Studio384 said,
What shut-down button is suposed to be on a STARTscreen?

Because on the "shut down screen", the computer is already shutting down?

about the accidental shutdowns.. I am doing these now too, when you have multiple monitors 10+ 2012 servers open and want to restart some server then I've restarted my pc instead of a server that I wanted to restart, it's quite frustrating.