Leak: "Xbox Surface" gets detailed?

Microsoft is not having a good start to the week. Not long after the previous leak that detailed the next generation Xbox, a new document has been posted that describes "Xbox Surface". The tablet will come in the 7-inch class size with 1280x720 resolution, Bluetooth & Wi-Fi, and a host of other features that you can see in the image above.

The timing is interesting as Microsoft has a "major announcement" planned for later today, which Neowin will be at, where they could possibly show off a new tablet designed and developed by Microsoft. If the above information is true, this could be our best look yet at Microsoft's tablet strategy, that is if this product is the one that makes it to retail. Depending on the age of this information, products go through many revision cycles before hitting store shelves, so don't be surprised if we see a variation of the product described above. 

Microsoft's event will kick off later this evening where it has the tech community in a fluster over what it will actually be announcing. While speculation has been all over the board, Microsoft has done a bang up job getting people talking about the announcement as we all try to take educated guesses as to what will be shown off. 

Editor's Note: To clarify, this appears to be two devices: a 7.0-inch tablet and a "stationary computing device". Check the document carefully so you don't confuse the tablet specifications with those of the stationary device. Could this be the next Xbox?

Source: Shifted2u.com

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i dont see what's so wrong with a 10k rpm drive.

a hybrid SSD wouldn't benefit since i assume its for installing games too and a hybrid copies the most used files to a 4/8gb SSD cache, it wouldn't benefit more than two or three games to have a hybrid drive in there, so a 10k drive would probably make for better performance over all games. plus a with games/movies/music, anything less than 250gb is probably going to get full, and the cost of a 250gb SSD is probably too much.

as for the other specs, theyre just what the machine is capable of, not what it will run at once its set up.

the first xbox's hardware was capable of 1080p, but obviously didnt run games at that resolution, same way a 10 year old graphics card probably states 1920x1080 support, yet you wouldnt render a game on it at the resolution would you.

i'm not saying this is true, but they're hardware specifications, not the guidelines to how the final product will be set up when running games and such in a home as a console.

I think this is fake but could Windows 8 tablets possibly be used to work with the Xbox like the Wii U controllers, that would be interesting and a big boost for companies making the tablet devices. Or possibly the Xbox could be controlled by the rumoured Microsoft Tablet. I understand why the Wii U might do really well but an Xbox version leaves me thinking what games it would work with other than some of the Arcade games.

So this appears to be the consumer version of Surface. This ol' whore's excited! Perhaps the third generation's only $4,000.

To me the Microsoft Tablet is making sense now with this leak. While I find the standalone device hard to believe (380 Watt for a gaming console is far more than Microsoft or Sony would want to release and let alone market).

The Microsoft "Xbox" tablet does make a crapload of sense. A low-specced, cheap tablet for people who haven't got a tablet to run Xbox Glass on. It makes perfect sense to me.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
Is it just me or it seems that PS4 and the new Xbox both are going with AMD graphics? Me likey

nVidia are not doing well with partners. Firstly, MS dumped them for ATi with the 360, and now the same from the PS3 (which was meant to be a Cell processor only from the beginning). People might have their opinions about ATi/AMD, but they do make decent GPUs.

the better twin said,
Sorry but this is so fake. The specs are nonsense. 1440p? 22.2 surround sound? lol

Had to look 22.2 up myself.. it's a real thing. (That's a pantload of speakers..)

the better twin said,
Sorry but this is so fake. The specs are nonsense. 1440p? 22.2 surround sound? lol

1440p exists, it's 2560x1440. Many 27"+ monitors have that resolution.

Ambroos said,

1440p exists, it's 2560x1440. Many 27"+ monitors have that resolution.

Oh yes im sure the next xbox will support that res, along with having not one but two Power 7 CPU's, 5GB RAM (wtf?) and all for the low low price of $2000.
Seriously the specs are ridiculous and clearly made up. You would have thought neowin would have paused for thought before posting this.

the better twin said,
You would have thought neowin would have paused for thought before posting this.

People believe the dumbest specs ever.

I could write up a more legit "leak" right now and publish it, and Neowin would prolly cover it. That's what this one was most likely.

the better twin said,

Oh yes im sure the next xbox will support that res, along with having not one but two Power 7 CPU's, 5GB RAM (wtf?) and all for the low low price of $2000.
Seriously the specs are ridiculous and clearly made up. You would have thought neowin would have paused for thought before posting this.

This could be real, no matter how likely or unlikely, and you can't deny that.

the better twin said,

Oh yes im sure the next xbox will support that res, along with having not one but two Power 7 CPU's, 5GB RAM (wtf?) and all for the low low price of $2000.

You have no idea how much this hardware will cost. This isn't an Intel/AMD chip, and considering dual-core smartphone processors are as cheap as $15 this is definitely plausible

EDIT: Also the Wii U's CPU could be based off the Power7 line, so that adds more credibility

Edited by Scorpus, Jun 18 2012, 1:59pm :

the better twin said,

Oh yes im sure the next xbox will support that res, along with having not one but two Power 7 CPU's, 5GB RAM (wtf?) and all for the low low price of $2000.
Seriously the specs are ridiculous and clearly made up. You would have thought neowin would have paused for thought before posting this.

RAM is dirt cheap. plus it could be 6GB with 1GB dedicated to the actual system.

Calum said,

This could be real, no matter how likely or unlikely, and you can't deny that.

Thats like saying the lochness monster could be real unless you can prove otherwise.
Lets go through.
- 22.2 surround sound (is this likely to be supported in the next xbox when the 360 doesnt even support 7.1 audio?)
- 2 Power 7 cpus (The cost of this would be insane)
- Video output 1440p (again extremely unlikely) not to mention a 16:10 resolution (1200p) slipped in there along with all the other 16:9 resolutions.
- 5GB Ram, such an odd number, why not 6?
- Source of material, random online blog with no credibility whatsoever.

Do i need to go on?
Just because its done in Segoe UI font and has the official logos on that makes it real?
I could knock something up like it in 5 mins claiming the next xbox will be powered by pixie dust and that would probably be believed by some of you!

the better twin said,

Thats like saying the lochness monster could be real unless you can prove otherwise.
Lets go through.
- 22.2 surround sound (is this likely to be supported in the next xbox when the 360 doesnt even support 7.1 audio?)
- 2 Power 7 cpus (The cost of this would be insane)
- Video output 1440p (again extremely unlikely) not to mention a 16:10 resolution (1200p) slipped in there along with all the other 16:9 resolutions.
- 5GB Ram, such an odd number, why not 6?
- Source of material, random online blog with no credibility whatsoever.

Do i need to go on?
Just because its done in Segoe UI font and has the official logos on that makes it real?
I could knock something up like it in 5 mins claiming the next xbox will be powered by pixie dust and that would probably be believed by some of you!


Yes, it is like claiming that the Loch Ness Monster could be real, and just like you can't prove this isn't real, you can't prove the Loch Ness Monster isn't real. It would be foolish to claim that something is definitely not real if that nonexistence cannot be proven; the Flying Spaghetti Monster, a magic unicorn, you name it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with doubting something isn't real, when no evidence is presented, but to state with blind certainty is foolish. I very much doubt a magic unicorn exists but I believe this document could be real. Notice how I'm not stating anything with certainty; I'm merely discussing likelihood while acknowledging that it could be either real or fake

I haven't ever stated the use of official logos or a font similar to Segoe UI means this document is real. That assumption would likewise be foolish.

Calum said,

Yes, it is like claiming that the Loch Ness Monster could be real, and just like you can't prove this isn't real, you can't prove the Loch Ness Monster isn't real. It would be foolish to claim that something is definitely not real if that nonexistence cannot be proven; the Flying Spaghetti Monster, a magic unicorn, you name it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with doubting something isn't real, when no evidence is presented, but to state with blind certainty is foolish. I very much doubt a magic unicorn exists but I believe this document could be real. Notice how I'm not stating anything with certainty; I'm merely discussing likelihood while acknowledging that it could be either real or fake

I haven't ever stated the use of official logos or a font similar to Segoe UI means this document is real. That assumption would likewise be foolish.

You mean everyone's best friend, the Invisible Pink Unicorn!

That definitely sounds like some sort of Xbox-U, but assuming this is real I'm not convinced it's designed for the average living room. Mostly this is from the 10K RPM SCSI HDD, which doesn't seem right to put into a consumer device. I certainly can't see the advantage of having such an expensive disk in there, it probably would be cheaper and faster to have a regular HDD Paired with some sort of SSD cache (A small one, maybe just 4 or 8GB).

Kushan said,
That definitely sounds like some sort of Xbox-U, but assuming this is real I'm not convinced it's designed for the average living room. Mostly this is from the 10K RPM SCSI HDD, which doesn't seem right to put into a consumer device. I certainly can't see the advantage of having such an expensive disk in there, it probably would be cheaper and faster to have a regular HDD Paired with some sort of SSD cache (A small one, maybe just 4 or 8GB).

Not sure, because WD has Velociraptors which are 10,000RPM @ 2.5", so it could be a misprint for one of those.

Why would this be a "tablet" if it supports four controllers, has an ethernet port, component video, optical out, a 10K RPM drive and four USB 3.0 ports? This has got to be a different sort of product

Scorpus said,
Why would this be a "tablet" if it supports four controllers, has an ethernet port, component video, optical out, a 10K RPM drive and four USB 3.0 ports? This has got to be a different sort of product

I think if you look, there's actually two separate devices - a Tablet and a "Stationary computing device".

Kushan said,
I think if you look, there's actually two separate devices - a Tablet and a "Stationary computing device".

Yea think some people are missing that, it's kind of hard to see at first glance in that light grey that it's in.

Scorpus said,
Why would this be a "tablet" if it supports four controllers, has an ethernet port, component video, optical out, a 10K RPM drive and four USB 3.0 ports? This has got to be a different sort of product

I think the tablet is a controller like the Wii-U's.

Scorpus said,
Why would this be a "tablet" if it supports four controllers, has an ethernet port, component video, optical out, a 10K RPM drive and four USB 3.0 ports? This has got to be a different sort of product

Ah okay, must have missed that

No camera would be a big ommision, especially forward facing.

Also, I'm not that up on resolutions but 1280 max res but 1440p, can this be right?

Still looks promising, IMO.

wearymadness said,
No camera would be a big ommision, especially forward facing.

Also, I'm not that up on resolutions but 1280 max res but 1440p, can this be right?

Still looks promising, IMO.

It looks like two different devices, a standalone device and a tablet. The tablet is 720p (not 1280), which if you tile 4 together gives 1440p. I'll be shocked if a graphics card with just a 1.2GB Frame Buffer can handle that, though.

wearymadness said,
No camera would be a big ommision, especially forward facing.

Also, I'm not that up on resolutions but 1280 max res but 1440p, can this be right?

Still looks promising, IMO.

I would guess it will still support some sort of Kinect-type controller. They already have cameras.

wearymadness said,
No camera would be a big ommision, especially forward facing.

Also, I'm not that up on resolutions but 1280 max res but 1440p, can this be right?

Still looks promising, IMO.

Given the money they've invested and the success of Kinect, I find it very hard to believe that they would not be furthering that technology... That seems like a rather strange omission here to me. If this is the next XBox I would be shocked.

I hope it's not real. I hate the direction console gaming is apparently going. If this leak has any truth to it, I am seriously uninterested in the new xbox.

spacer said,
I hope it's not real. I hate the direction console gaming is apparently going. If this leak has any truth to it, I am seriously uninterested in the new xbox.

This is likely to be a separate device for portable gaming, and it could even be linked very closely to a new Xbox console. What don't you like about that?

"10k rpm disk drive"

When's the last time they put a fragile HDD in a portable?? Not sure I believe this one. It'll fail faster than the original 360s did.

JesseJ said,
When's the last time they put a fragile HDD in a portable?? Not sure I believe this one. It'll fail faster than the original 360s did.

Two separate devices, one mobile, one standalone. Something along the lines of a beefed up Wii-U maybe as a guess?

Max Norris said,

Two separate devices, one mobile, one standalone. Something along the lines of a beefed up Wii-U maybe as a guess?

Oh hmm. That makes sense.

andrewbares said,

Because it was fake and MS didn't want people thinking it was real.


Actually, if people thought it was real, than they could surprise people with what actually was...

andrewbares said,

Because it was fake and MS didn't want people thinking it was real.

Nonsense. You've been claiming it was fake, but so far have not been able to support that. Everything in that list was in keeping with Microsoft's direction, nothing was out of the ordinary or "strange"...

andrewbares said,
The 720 leak was fake and everyone knows it.

Any reason for that? There was nothing absurd in the document, and it's all pretty much in line with where Microsoft is heading anyway.

M_Lyons10 said,

Nonsense. You've been claiming it was fake, but so far have not been able to support that. Everything in that list was in keeping with Microsoft's direction, nothing was out of the ordinary or "strange"...

You haven't been able to provide one ounce of proof why it's real, thus it IS fake until proven otherwise.

1) If I release something saying that Apple is going to build this revolutionary device that saves lives, etc, and it's completely false, Apple is of course going to get lawyers to remove it. Same as Microsoft. It's just common sense.

2) Anyone can just write up a fake "leak" like these jokes. According to leaks, the Lumia 900 was also supposed to have NFC, a dual core, 32 GB storage, etc. You really trust leaks now? They're just made by random fans.

3) Just because nothing is out of the ordinary doesn't make it true... that simply means the guy who wrote it isn't too far fetched and is trying to make it more realistic.

But go ahead and continue believing in santa claus.

andrewbares said,

You haven't been able to provide one ounce of proof why it's real, thus it IS fake until proven otherwise.

1) If I release something saying that Apple is going to build this revolutionary device that saves lives, etc, and it's completely false, Apple is of course going to get lawyers to remove it. Same as Microsoft. It's just common sense.

2) Anyone can just write up a fake "leak" like these jokes. According to leaks, the Lumia 900 was also supposed to have NFC, a dual core, 32 GB storage, etc. You really trust leaks now? They're just made by random fans.

3) Just because nothing is out of the ordinary doesn't make it true... that simply means the guy who wrote it isn't too far fetched and is trying to make it more realistic.

But go ahead and continue believing in santa claus.


Believing it's fake is just as foolish as believing it's real. When there is no proof either way, the agnostic approach is best, otherwise you could be just as wrong as the people you're criticising.

Edited by Calum, Jun 18 2012, 2:01pm :

andrewbares said,

You haven't been able to provide one ounce of proof why it's real, thus it IS fake until proven otherwise.

1) If I release something saying that Apple is going to build this revolutionary device that saves lives, etc, and it's completely false, Apple is of course going to get lawyers to remove it. Same as Microsoft. It's just common sense.

2) Anyone can just write up a fake "leak" like these jokes. According to leaks, the Lumia 900 was also supposed to have NFC, a dual core, 32 GB storage, etc. You really trust leaks now? They're just made by random fans.

3) Just because nothing is out of the ordinary doesn't make it true... that simply means the guy who wrote it isn't too far fetched and is trying to make it more realistic.

But go ahead and continue believing in santa claus.

Apple hasn't disclosed plans for a life saving device, Microsoft on the other hand, has disclosed plans for smart glass, which was revealed AFTER the document leaked. Not only that, references to a MS employee who created the doc were found in the source of the document. Sure, it's not conclusive proof, but these are things that add to the credibility of the doc.

andrewbares said,

You haven't been able to provide one ounce of proof why it's real, thus it IS fake until proven otherwise.

1) If I release something saying that Apple is going to build this revolutionary device that saves lives, etc, and it's completely false, Apple is of course going to get lawyers to remove it. Same as Microsoft. It's just common sense.

2) Anyone can just write up a fake "leak" like these jokes. According to leaks, the Lumia 900 was also supposed to have NFC, a dual core, 32 GB storage, etc. You really trust leaks now? They're just made by random fans.

3) Just because nothing is out of the ordinary doesn't make it true... that simply means the guy who wrote it isn't too far fetched and is trying to make it more realistic.

But go ahead and continue believing in santa claus.

Oh, the Lumia 900 was supposed to have dual core now? NFC? Really? I remember that it was discussed that some of the Lumia line was rumored to be going this route, but the 900 I don't recall was ever supposedly going to have those features... And the 32 GB rumor is new, and may still be on its way...

Now, it appears you're a cup half empty kind of person... lol That's fine. But see how we can say that this is a rumor (And in that very statement the assumption is that it can and can not be true). YOU are telling us categorically that it is fake just because you feel like it, and unless YOU can provide support for YOUR statement, it is a nonsensical statement.

While we can provide any number of arguments as to why it is likely true given the direction Microsoft has been headed and everything (Not that you will accept our arguments, because they haven't been signed by Bill Gates himself - a classic troll method of frustrating people), but you want to argue that it is fake because you say so without any supporting arguments whatsoever? Ridiculous. What in particular in the XBox leak do you think is fake or unlikely and why? Since "everyone knows it", it must be pretty glaring...

andrewbares said,

You haven't been able to provide one ounce of proof why it's real, thus it IS fake until proven otherwise.

NeoGAF confirmed the authenticity of the Xbox 720/Fortaleza leak to 99%

They examined the local directory urls of the images in the PowerPoint which revealed the PP was created on a corporate network, but more importantly some of the image directory names also revealed the username of the Microsoft employee who created this PP.

Almost every image directory looks like this:

"17: \nkachroo/Documents/Work/Project 10/Finished Frames for Monday/Finished Frames for Monday/Frame 01.jpg

18: \nkachroo/Documents/Work/Project 10/Finished Frames for Monday/Finished Frames for Monday/Frame 02.jpg"

Upon searching the username "nkachroo" they found Microsoft employee "Naveen Kachroo," the former Zune Lead Program Manager at Microsoft. As you may or may not be aware the Zune team was disbanded around 2009 and mostly moved over to Xbox. Naveen has been with Microsoft for over a decade.

That on top of the fact that MS's lawyers requested a take down on the basis of copyright infringement makes a pretty strong case for authenticity. Not to mention that the documents actually leaked at the beginning of May and accurately detailed the Xbox SmartGlass announcement a month in advance.