Lenovo: We underestimated demand for Windows 8 touch PCs

Windows 8 PCs have been available for several weeks now, and while it's a bit too early to be 100 percent sure, there does seem to be a pattern that those PCs that have touch screen support seem to be popular. In fact, the demand is currently exceeding the supply.

CNet.com reports that Gerry Smith, the head of Lenovo's US division, admits that his company (and the PC industry as a whole) underestimated the demand for touch screen Windows 8 and Windows RT PCs, such as the Yoga 11. He stated:

As you go through any major architectural transition, you try to forecast accurately how much the attach rate will be on touch [or other features]. Across every major [shift] over the past 10 years, we're never right. The learning is, how do you respond to that? How does the industry change and evolve?

Smith added that touch screen supply should be better in the first half of 2013. He also predicted that about 50 percent of Lenovo's PCs (not including tablets or smartphones) would have touch screens within two to three years.

Lenovo is now the world's biggest PC manufacturer, according to Gartner, but still is in fourth place behind HP, Dell and Apple in the US. Smith said that Lenovo's goal is to be the number one PC maker in the US, but would not give a timeframe for when he expects that to happen.

Source: CNet.com | Image via Lenovo

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Imagine a touch screen being popular with a touch screen OS. All laptops/netbooks should be touch at this point.

Personally,
I think a touch screen AND the new start crap on Windows 8 is dumber than heck!

Why would I want to be putting my fingers all over the screen smearing it up? I already threaten to break peoples fingers when they try to point something out and have to touch the screen!

Have already had at least a dozen people call me and ask me if I can make Windows 8 look like 7, as far as not having to go through that dumb a** way it starts now. Who ever thought that junk up is dumber than a box of rocks! Also, who in their right mind would ever think of putting the cursor up in the very right hand corner and wait for that crap to slide out from the side, or that stupid little thing in the bottom left and right corner? Dumber than s**t!!

Although I can handle all that messed up crap, I foresee tons of people getting totally ticked off at this new OS, as if there aren't tons already!!

cork1958 said,
Personally,
I think a touch screen AND the new start crap on Windows 8 is dumber than heck!

Why would I want to be putting my fingers all over the screen smearing it up? I already threaten to break peoples fingers when they try to point something out and have to touch the screen!

I had a colleague that designed a background image that said "hey boss, don't touch me"

cork1958 said,

Although I can handle all that messed up crap, I foresee tons of people getting totally ticked off at this new OS, as if there aren't tons already!!

It's all just learning something new. This has been the issue through the ages. Ask someone who drives an automatic to drive a manual. Once they learn it, second nature.

ThreadAbort said,

It's all just learning something new. This has been the issue through the ages. Ask someone who drives an automatic to drive a manual. Once they learn it, second nature.


Or better yet, ask an old accountant who has been using 95/98/xp for ages to use the 'new' window 8/7 taskbar, and they will be confused like hell.

laserfloyd said,
IMPOSSIBRU! Isn't Win 8 doom doom doomed? /s

Always said Windows 8 is great on touch devices....but that crappy tile interface is annoying on non touch systems. Why they should give the option to switch back to a start menu for non touch systems. Wouldnt take much to do.

techbeck said,

Always said Windows 8 is great on touch devices....but that crappy tile interface is annoying on non touch systems. Why they should give the option to switch back to a start menu for non touch systems. Wouldnt take much to do.

No touch systems here and I don't find it annoying...huh.

Shane Nokes said,

No touch systems here and I don't find it annoying...huh.

I don't understand why so many are hung on the tiles or modern, if you don't like that part don't use it and click on the desktop tile and never go back.

Shane Nokes said,

No touch systems here and I don't find it annoying...huh.

Is the number one complaint/annoyance with Win8. Glad you are happy with it...but the majority doesnt seem to like it to much. But of course will be forced in to using it since Win8 will be on new PCs...at least in the home market as most companies are going to skip over it.

techbeck said,

Is the number one complaint/annoyance with Win8. Glad you are happy with it...but the majority doesnt seem to like it to much. But of course will be forced in to using it since Win8 will be on new PCs...at least in the home market as most companies are going to skip over it.

You are not everyone or most people. Your personal dislike doesn't amount to most, unless you personally bought most of the sold licenses.

I like it and most people I know like it. So am I a liar, or do most people like it?

See the trap that lies there. You are acting as if you are ignorant of tyr possibility that you may not represent most people.

So far the sales are higher than they were for 7, quite a bit higher, using the same metrics.

So was 7 a failure then at launch?

Think carefully before responding.

techbeck said,

Always said Windows 8 is great on touch devices....but that crappy tile interface is annoying on non touch systems. Why they should give the option to switch back to a start menu for non touch systems. Wouldnt take much to do.

I like it on my tablet and on my desktop with my 30" monitor. I just use the start screen as I used the start menu. Don't use windows 8 style apps, just desktop ones.

techbeck said,

Is the number one complaint/annoyance with Win8. Glad you are happy with it...but the majority doesnt seem to like it to much. But of course will be forced in to using it since Win8 will be on new PCs...at least in the home market as most companies are going to skip over it.

No, the vocal minority don't like it. The majority are just fine with it. I don't think there are 40 million touch capable windows 8 devices.

techbeck said,

Why they should give the option to switch back to a start menu for non touch systems.

Just get Start8 if you want the Windows 7-style start menu back. It's just $5.

Personally I don't have much of a problem with the new start screen on my desktop. I don't really use it much, but it doesn't bother me that it's there, either.

techbeck said,

Is the number one complaint/annoyance with Win8. Glad you are happy with it...but the majority doesnt seem to like it to much. But of course will be forced in to using it since Win8 will be on new PCs...at least in the home market as most companies are going to skip over it.

So you have scientific evidence to back up this claim that the vast majority don't like it on the desktop? Of course you don't.

Shane Nokes said,
I like it and most people I know like it. So am I a liar, or do most people like it?

Shane - yes you are a shill and liar. You are an ex microsoft employee, and despite the overwhelming evidence that people do not want windows 8 on desktops or laptops, you refuse to allow any opinion that does not agree with the opinion you are trying to foist upon everyone else.

http://channelnews.com.au/Hardware/Mobility/K8P4M7M2
http://channelnews.com.au/Hardware/Mobility/P7B4T5G4

dvb2000 said,

Shane - yes you are a shill and liar. You are an ex microsoft employee, and despite the overwhelming evidence that people do not want windows 8 on desktops or laptops, you refuse to allow any opinion that does not agree with the opinion you are trying to foist upon everyone else.

http://channelnews.com.au/Hardware/Mobility/K8P4M7M2
http://channelnews.com.au/Hardware/Mobility/P7B4T5G4

I was making the point that a single person does not a majority make.

Evidently that point went entirely over your head.

Oh well, I guess we can't all be special like you.

techbeck said,
Is the number one complaint/annoyance with Win8. Glad you are happy with it...but the majority doesnt seem to like it to much. But of course will be forced in to using it since Win8 will be on new PCs...at least in the home market as most companies are going to skip over it.

What a load of complete and utter crap - learn how to use the start page by pinning your favourite applications then shut up. No one cares for your illinformed whining that amounts to little more than you unable to actually learn how to use Windows 8 in an efficient manner. Btw, these idiots complaining about Windows 8 are the same idiots who complained about the Windows 7 'superbar' who then complained about the display drivers changes in Windows Vista who then complained about the changes in Windows XP SP2 which provided more security and refused to SP2 because apparently they're smarter than Microsoft engineers and system administrators. Sorry but such people like techbeck should be banned and 4 generations of their family as well just to ensure that the cancerous stupidity doesn't spread.

Mr Nom Nom's said,
learn how to use the start page by pinning your favourite applications

Why would I want to do that and waste my desktop with a whole bunch of HUGE tiles? I'll continue to use the start button on Windows 7 until Microsoft fixes their mistake, thanks!

Not to mention the "single window" design fault in Windows 8.

FFS, if I wanted a toy operating system I'd have got an ipad!

dvb2000 said,

Why would I want to do that and waste my desktop with a whole bunch of HUGE tiles? I'll continue to use the start button on Windows 7 until Microsoft fixes their mistake, thanks!

Not to mention the "single window" design fault in Windows 8.

FFS, if I wanted a toy operating system I'd have got an ipad!

Considering you can have as many windows as you want open, it proves that you've either never used Win8 or you are trolling.

Even if you're referring to Metro apps, that's actually 2 visible at a time with others available via alt-tab (same shortcut as previous versions) or 1 Metro and the usual amount on desktop.

I usually have one mounted on a monitor and the rest dedicated to desktop.

Works just fine here. Oh but wait you weren't after facts, just FUD.

Sorry I'm fresh out, but I'm sure you have a freh supply.

dvb2000 said,

Shane - yes you are a shill and liar. You are an ex microsoft employee, and despite the overwhelming evidence that people do not want windows 8 on desktops or laptops, you refuse to allow any opinion that does not agree with the opinion you are trying to foist upon everyone else.

http://channelnews.com.au/Hardware/Mobility/K8P4M7M2
http://channelnews.com.au/Hardware/Mobility/P7B4T5G4

Shanes Nokes takes the mantle from Dot Matrix... a less irritating fellow than Dot Matrix but yeah the stubbornness is evident.

dvb2000 said,
Shane - yes you are a shill and liar. You are an ex microsoft employee, and despite the overwhelming evidence that people do not want windows 8 on desktops or laptops, you refuse to allow any opinion that does not agree with the opinion you are trying to foist upon everyone else.

That's insulting, to call someone a liar, when you have no good evidence, you lost all your credibility right there. I am on Windows 8, and I love the start screen, my brother, my father all love it, my cousin hates it, her sister loves the pink tiles. Most of my collegues were recently issued new laptops with windows 8 on it and they all love it, some collegues from accounting were lost at start, but noone is complaining now.

I goto stores (and I am talking about Pakistan here) and I see people asking for laptops with Windows 8 on them, prices of laptops that have Win7 has actually dropped (with almost the same and in some cases exactly the same specs). People who don't know how to upgrade or install Windows 8 over Windows 7 don't want Windows 7 laptops. Asking a shop keeper at one of the biggest computer places in the biggest city here, on how is the Windows 8 response, the reply was that mostly old office going people that mostly have used Windows 98/xp are having problem with the transition as they can not even understand how the 'new' taskbar works.

I am not saying that there are not people that don't like it, its just that I haven't seen many, and online I have only found a certain percentage of people to be against it.

slumdogtrillionaire said,

Shanes Nokes takes the mantle from Dot Matrix... a less irritating fellow than Dot Matrix but yeah the stubbornness is evident.

Indeed. How dare I point out that one person does not a majority make.

I guess now that 2 of you exist you must be right.

So how many millions of licenses did you buy and dump? ,

WaqasTariq said,

That's insulting, to call someone a liar, when you have no good evidence, you lost all your credibility right there. I am on Windows 8, and I love the start screen, my brother, my father all love it, my cousin hates it, her sister loves the pink tiles. Most of my collegues were recently issued new laptops with windows 8 on it and they all love it, some collegues from accounting were lost at start, but noone is complaining now.

I goto stores (and I am talking about Pakistan here) and I see people asking for laptops with Windows 8 on them, prices of laptops that have Win7 has actually dropped (with almost the same and in some cases exactly the same specs). People who don't know how to upgrade or install Windows 8 over Windows 7 don't want Windows 7 laptops. Asking a shop keeper at one of the biggest computer places in the biggest city here, on how is the Windows 8 response, the reply was that mostly old office going people that mostly have used Windows 98/xp are having problem with the transition as they can not even understand how the 'new' taskbar works.

I am not saying that there are not people that don't like it, its just that I haven't seen many, and online I have only found a certain percentage of people to be against it.

I think they believe that each new post they make counts as a new person hating the OS or something.

Maybe each post is a new personality.

Shane Nokes said,

Indeed. How dare I point out that one person does not a majority make.

I guess now that 2 of you exist you must be right.

So how many millions of licenses did you buy and dump? ,

?? no i have nothing to do with dvb2000. i'm just concurring that there are people speaking on behalf of microsoft beyond what an unpaid, regular joe with an opinion would and that you are more pleasant than such people previously operating on neowin.

slumdogtrillionaire said,

?? no i have nothing to do with dvb

When you take up someone's argument and agree with it you do indeed have something to do with them.

...or are you backing down from agreeing with their assertion that I am a shill and a liar?

I can assure you of this if nothing else. I am as critical if not moreso of products/projects that I am even only slightly related to as I am of those which I have no relation to.

I am about as equal opportunity a critic as you will ever meet. I don't kiss ass, regardless of consequence.

I will tell a coworker, a subordinate, a boss, or a random person exactly how I feel.

If I'm not giving them my honest appraisal then I'm not doing them any good. A lie is a waste of time for everyone involved. So from me I can guarantee nothing less than full (and sometimes harsh) truth.

If folks can't handle that, it says more about their own insecurities than it does about me.

As regards being paid to post...sorry, but I'm am not a wh*re.

BTW don't take this as anger as I'm not angry. I just want a few things made clear

Shane Nokes said,

you missed the rest of the comment... ?? "no i have nothing to do with dvb2000. i'm just concurring that there are people speaking on behalf of microsoft beyond what an unpaid, regular joe with an opinion would and that you are more pleasant than such people previously operating on neowin."

slumdogtrillionaire said,

you missed the rest of the comment... ?? "no i have nothing to do with dvb2000. i'm just concurring that there are people speaking on behalf of microsoft beyond what an unpaid, regular joe with an opinion would and that you are more pleasant than such people previously operating on neowin."

It wasn't there during the original posting I made. I started my reply before your edit.

I updated my post after reading yours, but being on a phone I decided not to update the original quoted text since it is a pain.

cool

Shane Nokes said,

It wasn't there during the original posting I made. I started my reply before your edit.

I updated my post after reading yours, but being on a phone I decided not to update the original quoted text since it is a pain.

dvb2000 said,
Why would I want to do that and waste my desktop with a whole bunch of HUGE tiles? I'll continue to use the start button on Windows 7 until Microsoft fixes their mistake, thanks!

Again, that is a load of crap, you open up the start page, click on your application, the start page closes, the desktop appears and voila your application is there. Stop intertwining Metro and Windows 8 as if you have no choice when it comes to what applications you can and cannot run.

Not to mention the "single window" design fault in Windows 8.

Which again is a load of crap - I've got 8 applications on the desktop right now, I have a tast bar at the bottom and Metrotwitt snapped onto the left side of the screen. Either accept you're speaking out of your ass or shut up.

FFS, if I wanted a toy operating system I'd have got an ipad!

Oh for f-ck sake, not this, "me man, me want real computer, Windows 8 for girls ugg ugg" - I'm using Windows 8 just as I did with Windows 7 just as I did with Windows Vista just as I did with Windows XP just as I did with Windows 200 etc. etc. You're yet another troll looking for a rise and a forum whose moderators will jump upon anyone who has a heated debate in the 'domestic news' area of the forum but happy to let trolls like you run rampant with your half baked crap that you spew.

laserfloyd said,
IMPOSSIBRU! Isn't Win 8 doom doom doomed? /s

Most of the negative comments made about Windows 8 Pro regards the desktop part of it. It works quite well on touch devices. I still hate the changes made to the desktop. But with Start8 it's okay. Just stupid i have to install a 3rd party app to use Windows 8 on my desktop computer the way i want to use it.

JonathanMarston said,

Just get Start8 if you want the Windows 7-style start menu back. It's just $5.

Personally I don't have much of a problem with the new start screen on my desktop. I don't really use it much, but it doesn't bother me that it's there, either.


Not going to pay for something that shouldnt of been left out in the first place.

Shane Nokes said,

You are not everyone or most people. Your personal dislike doesn't amount to most, unless you personally bought most of the sold licenses.

I like it and most people I know like it. So am I a liar, or do most people like it?

See the trap that lies there. You are acting as if you are ignorant of tyr possibility that you may not represent most people.

So far the sales are higher than they were for 7, quite a bit higher, using the same metrics.

So was 7 a failure then at launch?

Think carefully before responding.

Never said i was everyone. And why are you talking about if you are a liar? I never said anyone was or accused anyone of being one. And you make a lot of assumptions in what I originally said as well.

I swear I must put MY OPINION on everything I say here from here on out if I dont put a source link. People here assume way to much and like to harp on people for their opinions and views. If I am saying anything and saying it is fact, I always use a SOURCE link to backup what I say.

So, in closing....THINGS I SAID HERE ARE MY OPINION....

there, is that better for everyone who had a problem with what I said?

Lower the price of the Yoga 11 even more, and your underestimate will be even more underestimated.

"He also predicted that about 50 percent of Lenovo's PCs (not including tablets or smartphones) would have touch screens within two to three years."

Way too slow. Who the hell is going to be buying PC's without touch screens 2 years from now? Once again they're underestimating how quickly user preference is going to change.

As much as I try to distance myself from the PC world, and most especially Windows 8, these days, the Yoga 13 looks like a frigging awesome design! And as I've owned Lenovo gear in the past, I know they have good quality products.

BTW, the new X1 Carbon looks kick ass too

Not Lenovo's fault. Microsoft was making this blunder. But not just coming out and say this OS is not an upgrade OS. This OS will not work right without a touch screen. Thus if the makers were taking their cues from MS. It would fail. Never said Windows 8 as touch screen OS would suck. I said it would suck on the old format. So thats on MS's head.

PatrynXX said,
Not Lenovo's fault. Microsoft was making this blunder. But not just coming out and say this OS is not an upgrade OS. This OS will not work right without a touch screen. Thus if the makers were taking their cues from MS. It would fail. Never said Windows 8 as touch screen OS would suck. I said it would suck on the old format. So thats on MS's head.

How could this be Microsoft's fault? From the very start, Windows 8 has been described as a "touch first" OS. You want to touch the screen to use it. However it is just as easy to use without touch. The problem clearly rests in the laps of the manufacturers. My wife and I ordered two of the Yoga 13 (i7 - 8GB). She got hers two weeks after ordering. Mine, which was ordered two days after hers, is now delayed until 12/31, almost two months from the time I ordered. Clearly "under estimated" the demand is pretty evident.

PatrynXX said,
Not Lenovo's fault. Microsoft was making this blunder. But not just coming out and say this OS is not an upgrade OS. This OS will not work right without a touch screen. Thus if the makers were taking their cues from MS. It would fail. Never said Windows 8 as touch screen OS would suck. I said it would suck on the old format. So thats on MS's head.

This OS works perfectly fine without a touchscreen and works very well actually.

PatrynXX said,
Not Lenovo's fault. Microsoft was making this blunder. But not just coming out and say this OS is not an upgrade OS. This OS will not work right without a touch screen. Thus if the makers were taking their cues from MS. It would fail. Never said Windows 8 as touch screen OS would suck. I said it would suck on the old format. So thats on MS's head.
How so? Windows 8 was ready on time, the hardware wasn't. It works great with or without touch.

I'm really really happy with my yoga 13. And the orange color really gives it a nice glow in the room. The design is sleek, it's thin, and it's a darn well capable machine.
Personally, I love the 4 form factors or whatever they call it that it comes with.

aviator189 said,
I'm really really happy with my yoga 13. And the orange color really gives it a nice glow in the room. The design is sleek, it's thin, and it's a darn well capable machine.
Personally, I love the 4 form factors or whatever they call it that it comes with.

WTF?? Where did you get an orange one?? I only see gray as a selection on the Lenovo website. I just ordered the Yoga 13 w/ Win8 pro, i7, 256GB and 8GB RAM. I wanted orange though!

I can't found any touch-screen devices from Lenovo and HP in my country. Only one model from Acer is available though :-( Microsoft Surface is also absent. It's very tough to migrate to Windows 8 unless I upgrade the OS in my 4 years old laptop.

LaP said,
Personally i'm still waiting for the perfect hybrid design ... one i can try in a store ...

Come to Microsoft Retail. In addition to Surface (and soon Surface Pro), we have the Sony Vaio Duo 11, Toshiba u935t, and Lenovo Twist (my personal computer).

Bern@rd said,

Come to Microsoft Retail. In addition to Surface (and soon Surface Pro), we have the Sony Vaio Duo 11, Toshiba u935t, and Lenovo Twist (my personal computer).

Sadly there's no MS retail store close to where i live.

And save for the ASUS vivo Tab RT Windows 8 is mostly a no show here so far (outside of normal desktop and laptop).

The review for Sony Vaio Duo 11 are not so great. But i like the concept. I would like to try it before buying it. I simply can't find it anywhere.

Asus vivo tab RT is not an option for me cause it is windows RT and not pro.

BattleDaggit said,
Whatever. Not once have I seen their products hit shelves. Were they ever on sale anywhere?

Lenovo's a pretty popular brand now worldwide and their distribution methods are varied, so, personally, I'm not doubting their statement.

Best Buy employee reporting in. Never seen one either, though it is advertised in store. Get a few people a day asking about it. Probably more so than anyone asking about the Surface, oddly enough.

BattleDaggit said,
Whatever. Not once have I seen their products hit shelves. Were they ever on sale anywhere?

I've actually seen lots of there stuff, but with Windows 8 everyone's stock has been in short supply, the demand is there but no product.

dead.cell said,
Best Buy employee reporting in. Never seen one either, though it is advertised in store. Get a few people a day asking about it. Probably more so than anyone asking about the Surface, oddly enough.

I've visited multiple Best Buys in my area and they all have the Yoga. Staples has the Thinkpad Twist.

May be due to location. Houston is a huge city so it's no wonder why they'd be picked up so quickly.

Can't stand Lenovo as a company myself, but I would at least like to see one heh.