Lumia 830 will reportedly be a mid-range phone with a flagship camera

Last month, rumors emerged of a new Nokia Lumia 830, entering the range as a replacement for the ageing Lumia 820. Earlier this month, our own sources confirmed the existence of the device, known by its internal development codename 'Train', and that it is headed to AT&T in the U.S.

Today, a report from TK Tech News elaborates further on the specs of the device, and it sounds like it will be a mid-range handset with a range-topping camera. The Lumia 830 is said to offer a 4.5-inch display – slightly smaller than the rumored Lumia 730's 4.7-inch screen – with a 720p HD resolution, as well as SD card support and some other "decent specs."


Image reportedly showing Lumia 830, which leaked in July

Significantly, the Lumia 830 is said to feature a 20-megapixel camera – likely the same unit used in Microsoft's other flagship Nokia Windows Phones, including the Lumia 930/Icon and Lumia 1520. That would put it in good company, given that the camera on those devices is among the best available on any handset today. 

This would be an interesting approach, given that most mid-range handsets offer mediocre cameras. By cramming a top-notch camera into its mid-range Lumia 830, Microsoft might just carve out a niche for itself offering a better imaging experience on its more affordable devices. 

Source: TK Tech News via WPCentral | Image via WPDang

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In my experience, the Lumias destroy everything in low-light situations, but that's about it. Otherwise the latest Lumias, Galaxys, and iPhones are all almost identical in good lighting.

Believe me or not, my 920 had better image quality than my Icon. And to be fair, it took a while for Nokia to get it right, under the first firmware, the images were ridiculously soft.

Astra.Xtreme said,
In my experience, the Lumias destroy everything in low-light situations, but that's about it.

Totally agree. and they're slow, especially if you use the nokia camera app.

dopydope said,
Well despite all that noise about how Nokia is all about imaging, the reality is that the iphone camera is still way better. Been utterly disappointed with my Icon imaging performance. Slow, no sharpness, washed colors, white hue ... not good. Hoping Cyan will fix these but in the meantime it's pretty embarrassing :(

The camera in the 930 is the same camera in the 1520. I've had the 920 in the past too. The pureview camera is superior to other cameras on rival phones. But as I've learned, the camera is very delicate. I had to send both in for repair because the OIS went out of whack and it couldn't focus. Not only that, but the original images I took versus the image quality I get now was a million times better. I should send the phone in but I'm not sure what exact cause is. The lenses don't look scratched, but I'm positive they are capable of taking great high resolution sharp photos. You just need to be more delicate with your phone, or the camera module will take a beating and you'll start seeing horrific image quality.

I think it comes down to Nokia designing the camera module poorly, its not as sturdy as rest of the phone. Because I've had hardware faults with each Nokia phone I had regarding the camera.

Look at Apple's camera modules in their phones. They use sapphire glass for the lens so it can't be scratched as easily.

I remember reading the first reviews on the 920 and how if you shake the phone you can feel the moving parts inside the camera move. When you drop your phone or handle it in a rough way, you break these moving parts.

I will agree though that Apple has done a terrific job at taking great pictures very fast. My Lumias never can take a great picture quickly, they always miss out on something that happens in the spur of the moment because the camera app takes too long to start up, too long to focus and fire the focus assist light, and to actually capture the picture and save it. With living images, it takes even longer to save pictures which makes the feature not worth it. I turned it off because it would slow down taking pictures.

You can find a million reviews that all have different results.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0%2c2817%2c2425422%2c00.asp
In the end, picture quality is very similar between all modern cameras. Especially considering photos are generally viewed on lower res screens (PC monitors) and/or printed with lower res printers.

Controls and options (software) are pretty much the only significant differences.

Astra.Xtreme said,

You can find a million reviews that all have different results.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0%2c2817%2c2425422%2c00.asp
In the end, picture quality is very similar between all modern cameras. Especially considering photos are generally viewed on lower res screens (PC monitors) and/or printed with lower res printers.

Controls and options (software) are pretty much the only significant differences.


Lol PC Mag with comparison pics taken 3 months apart. Incredible.
The 1020 blows everything else away with the other lumias ahead of the competition. To say otherwise is pure fantasy.

the better twin said,

Lol PC Mag with comparison pics taken 3 months apart. Incredible.
The 1020 blows everything else away with the other lumias ahead of the competition. To say otherwise is pure fantasy.

Right because hardware will magically get better over time... No offense, but I'll believe actual test results over your biased word. Like I said, there are tons of reviews out there and almost none of them conclude that the Lumia destroys everybody else.

Here's a few more from the first page of results on Google:
http://www.wpcentral.com/camer...5s-lumia-925-and-lumia-1020
http://www.todaysiphone.com/20...eal-life-camera-comparison/
http://www.digitalspy.com/tech...d-more.html#~oMEJACnA8sxnwW

Each review basically has the same conclusion and the picture examples look pretty similar in almost every test.

You can have whatever the hell opinion you want, but facts show that the cameras on all the recent top-tier phones aren't drastically different from one another. Perhaps you shouldn't be so blinded by your opinions...

Astra.Xtreme said,

Right because hardware will magically get better over time... No offense, but I'll believe actual test results over your biased word. Like I said, there are tons of reviews out there and almost none of them conclude that the Lumia destroys everybody else.

Here's a few more from the first page of results on Google:
http://www.wpcentral.com/camer...5s-lumia-925-and-lumia-1020
http://www.todaysiphone.com/20...eal-life-camera-comparison/
http://www.digitalspy.com/tech...d-more.html#~oMEJACnA8sxnwW

Each review basically has the same conclusion and the picture examples look pretty similar in almost every test.

You can have whatever the hell opinion you want, but facts show that the cameras on all the recent top-tier phones aren't drastically different from one another. Perhaps you shouldn't be so blinded by your opinions...


It's got nothing to do with hardware. Taking comparison shots at different times will produce completely different results. Everyone knows this.

As for your comparisons, digital spy agreed that the 1020 was the best, the iPhone one didn't even use any of the pro settings which is the main selling point and the windows phone central one won't load for me. I base my views on real world use and I know for a fact that nothing comes close to the 1020. Maybe you should try it yourself and then you would have the authority to comment on the matter.

the better twin said,

It's got nothing to do with hardware. Taking comparison shots at different times will produce completely different results. Everyone knows this.

As for your comparisons, digital spy agreed that the 1020 was the best, the iPhone one didn't even use any of the pro settings which is the main selling point and the windows phone central one won't load for me. I base my views on real world use and I know for a fact that nothing comes close to the 1020. Maybe you should try it yourself and then you would have the authority to comment on the matter.

I'm not saying that it isn't the best. I have used the 1020, and it does take great pictures. But it's completely false to say it destroys everybody else. All the reviews say the exact same thing. The optics are high enough quality on all phones that they all take excellent pictures. The Lumias excel with low light and some zooming situations, but overall the clarity of all of them is about the same.

The WP Central review is probably the best one I've seen, and considering it's a Windows phone specific website, they give the 5S a lot of praise. The picture comparisons are all incredibly close.

If it was my choice, I'd rather have a phone that can take pictures extremely quickly, than one that's slow but has 5%-10% better quality. To each their own though.

Astra.Xtreme said,
In my experience, the Lumias destroy everything in low-light situations, but that's about it. Otherwise the latest Lumias, Galaxys, and iPhones are all almost identical in good lighting.

That's just it, photography is all about light, and in most cases, problems exist in low light, so if the camera is much better in low light that says a lot and shouldn't be down played. Most cameras can take descent pictures in excellent lighting. It's low light performance the separates the contenders form the pretenders.

Astra.Xtreme said,

You can find a million reviews that all have different results.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0%2c2817%2c2425422%2c00.asp
In the end, picture quality is very similar between all modern cameras. Especially considering photos are generally viewed on lower res screens (PC monitors) and/or printed with lower res printers.

Controls and options (software) are pretty much the only significant differences.

Still posting hilarious nonsense eh?

Sandor said,

Still posting hilarious nonsense eh?

Still posting absolutly nothing intelligent/useful to the discussion eh?

Seriously, do you not have the capacity to actually participate in a discussion, or are you just a pathetic troll?

Microsoft is risking to drop the ranking of their Premium Lumia brand from highend to lowend.
They will be facing major problems in the near future if they continue with this strategy. USA does not have a high-end Lumia device right now besides the Icon which is exclusive to Verizon.

I am tired of helping friends, family and co workers moving from a Lumia 920/1020 to the LG G3.

Lol what? It has the 1520, the 1020, and the Icon.

First two are exclusive to AT&T and the Icon is exclusive to Verizon. If they're bringing the current 1520 camera over to the 830, then there's a good chance that the successor to the 1020 and the 1520 will have even better cameras. It has been rumored that Nokia/MS have had a new flagship phone in the works for a while now and that could be it.

Wha? The Lumia brand has been low end for quite a while, I mean the 520 is a year old and they were practically giving those away - they're 2/3s of WP users in the US - and I have a 620 which launched last January, and I bought that off-contract for £130 last May!

In the USA their is no high-end phone right now. The Lumia Icon is an exclusive to the CDMA Verizon, and it comes with 4 Verizon Logos printed on it and Nokia did that after a two year relationship with AT&T as a gold partner in the USA meaning all their Lumia base was with AT&T. The 925 and the 1020 were both a 920 repeats with small refreshes. 1520 is not a phone it is a 6'' Phablet.

nMIK-3 said,
In the USA their is no high-end phone right now. The Lumia Icon is an exclusive to the CDMA Verizon, and it comes with 4 Verizon Logos printed on it and Nokia did that after a two year relationship with AT&T as a gold partner in the USA meaning all their Lumia base was with AT&T. The 925 and the 1020 were both a 920 repeats with small refreshes. 1520 is not a phone it is a 6'' Phablet.

I have to agree those phones don't count. I have the 1520 and its practically a beta phone because of the lack of large screen support on Windows Phones. First WP8 wasn't designed AT ALL for large screens, except the start screen. Then 8.1 came and all the native apps supported the screen size but now all the apps from the store are too big and one by one is gradually supporting the larger screen. It is one big beta.

The 1020 is a 920 with a professional quality camera.

The Lumia Icon is the first to debut with a new design very unlike the original Nokia N9, but has Verizon branding all over it and is exclusive to Verizon.

The Lumia 930 is the Icon done right, with a splash of color, dreadful Verizon branding removed, yes it doesn't include Glance, but its a serious flagship Windows Phone. A phone I think a lot of att customers would like to see finally come to att stores as a new option.

It's not too big, doesn't focus on one key point like the camera like the 1020 does, it is pocketable and up to spec with Android phones. This is what we want in a phone. A solid piece of hardware with great design that tries to challenge every key point in a subtle way, not a huge way that takes away from the phone being a phone.

Sionic Ion said,

The 1020 is a 920 with a professional quality camera.

You guys crack me up, that's like saying the phone 5 is an iPhone 1 with a few upgrades. The point I'm trying to make is the Nokia 1020 and 920 are two different phones and that's that.

It seems like everyone around here are spin doctors, nothing is safe from being spun into the ground I guess if the right person wants to downplay it.

Sionic Ion said,

the 1520 and its practically a beta phone because of the lack of large screen support on Windows Phones.

Were all Android tablets beta tablets, due to the lack of Tablet apps android had for the longest time in the past?

The 830 is considered an mid-range phone, why can't it be left at that instead of claiming MS has no High-end phones then downplaying the 1020 as not being high-end. Come on now?

Is the iPhone 5 high-end? And once the IP6 comes out, will the IP5 still be high-end or does it mysteriously lose that title?

Just saying.

Android apps like WinRT apps scale to the size of the display. I don't think you understand.. The apps before 8.1 were scaled up to the display, they weren't aware at all that was a 6 inch screen, not even the app bar. Everything was comically huge. After 8.1, the appbar and some UI elements are decently sized in apps, and there is also a black bar above the appbar. This is for apps that aren't optimized. 8.1 also added support for WinRT apps that support large screens

Now Android is another story, the UI stays the same size, the buttons and text are all the same size, there is just a lot of space. For example the Facebook app would show the login textboxes centered in the middle of the tablet's screen. What it would not do is stretch everything to the size of the tablet, making those textboxes comically huge like almost all apps on WP do for the 1520...

Finally, the mid-range gets some love.

Although, i wonder what feature they'll leave out of this that'll be baffling.

If it's the same spec as a 930 but in a 4.5 inch screen instead of 5 inch then I would just on it. I don't want a big screen.

I use it for the gym when working out and don't want it to break from it's size.

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