Mark Zuckerberg could face the death penalty in Pakistan

A Pakistani lawyer has filed a "First Information Report" alleging that Facebook creator Mark Zuckerberg is responsible for the distribution of blasphemous Islamic content.

A "Draw Muhammad" contest started by a Facebook user resulted in a Pakastani ban of the service which was subsequently lifted on May 31, 2010 after the removal of the offensive content. Initially a ban on just the offensive pages was in place, but it was determined that the entire service was in contravention of Pakistani law.

Under Pakistan's penal code, "use of derogatory remark etc, in respect of the Holy Prophet, whoever by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation, or by any imputation, innuendo, or insinuation, directly or indirectly, defiles the sacred name of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) shall be punished with death, or imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable for fine." Lawyer Muhammad Azhar Siddique has convinced a Pakistani District Court judge to instigate police investigation into the infraction.

The activist lawyer originally filed a writ against the Government of Pakistan, insinuating that it had failed to initiate the proceedings itself. The Pakistani government then proceeded to launch its criminal investigation.

No charges have been filed, but with the filing of the FIR a prima facie (Latin: at first sight) case is being constructed that may lead to an absentee prosecution, making Mark Zuckerberg a wanted felon. This seems to be what the activist-lawyer is attempting to achieve, including to his assumed delight, that the Pakistani UN representative has requested permission to bring the issue to the United Nations General Assembly. Azhar Siddique is also optimistically in contact with Interpol in an attempt to attain their assistance in apprehending this "criminal."

Zuckerberg is not the only possible defendant in the case. Other individuals mentioned in the report include "co-conspirators" Dustin Moskovitz and Chris Hughes, and the German woman known as "Andy" who initiated the contest. Although not the creators of the content, the case is targeted at all of the Facebook trio. "Insinuated blasphemy" is serious business.

The contest stemmed from a South Park episode that was censored by Cartoon Network after threats of violence. The episode depicts Muhammad in a bear suit and his name is censored with a "bleep."

The case is to be heard on July 12, 2010.

It seems like Facebook just can't catch a break. Recently many prominent leaders in the technology and web field have come under fire for actions, statements and beliefs not necessarily linked to their position. Mark Zuckerberg has been criticized for his personal views on privacy, and Steve Jobs on his "vision" of media distribution. As individuals in the eye of the public should their assets be held accountable for their personal beliefs, or should separation be maintained between their personal views and those of the companies they represent? Standards for those in the public eye have always been different than for those that lead private lives, and this now includes the world of business and technology.

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This article and this thread are just spectacularly idiotic.

In other news, did you know that owls are the only birds who can see the colour blue?

FOR PETES SAKE PEOPLE it's religion it's a ****ing book it's got words, goddam religion is perhaps not the cause of pure evil but it's the cause of pointless ****ing debates which take you lightyears from topic and cause hellfire and problems for any dicussion.

Everyone has their own views, some can keep them SHUN others try to start a war over it.

Mohamed was a terrorist and the Islamic Fanatics are some of the most uneducated douche-bags on the face of this earth.

As for Hitler - They say the main reason he went after the Jews was because of what they did with Christ. So it is all based on religion in that stage anyhow. Look at history, you will find that there has been a holy war between the Christians and Muslims since the beginning of it all. It is nothing but a family feud stemming from both Isaac and Ishmael. It makes you think that Abraham should have just left the mistress alone...

As for the biggest reason why things are a blaze these days is because of the land. Islam claims they have a right to it and The Jews claim they have it. Looking at the bible you will see that the Jews were given the land by divine right around Israel. The Muslims were given the land surrounding Israel. Some of you may say that modern day Jews are Zionist, you are wrong. Look at history and you may learn something. Once again, it goes back to Isaac and Ishmael.

There are quite a few things that Both Christian and Muslims agree about, all the way up to Abraham. Anything after that is not on agreeing terms. You just have a bunch of idiots who look at what Mohamed wrote and it is way out there. The quran is full of passages about hating the non believers and non agreements. It is not a peaceful religion .. Another thing, Mohamed never claimed to be a Prophet. He was a terrorist ..

LukeEDay said,
Mohamed was a terrorist and the Islamic Fanatics are some of the most uneducated douche-bags on the face of this earth.

As for Hitler - They say the main reason he went after the Jews was because of what they did with Christ. So it is all based on religion in that stage anyhow. Look at history, you will find that there has been a holy war between the Christians and Muslims since the beginning of it all. It is nothing but a family feud stemming from both Isaac and Ishmael. It makes you think that Abraham should have just left the mistress alone...

As for the biggest reason why things are a blaze these days is because of the land. Islam claims they have a right to it and The Jews claim they have it. Looking at the bible you will see that the Jews were given the land by divine right around Israel. The Muslims were given the land surrounding Israel. Some of you may say that modern day Jews are Zionist, you are wrong. Look at history and you may learn something. Once again, it goes back to Isaac and Ishmael.

There are quite a few things that Both Christian and Muslims agree about, all the way up to Abraham. Anything after that is not on agreeing terms. You just have a bunch of idiots who look at what Mohamed wrote and it is way out there. The quran is full of passages about hating the non believers and non agreements. It is not a peaceful religion .. Another thing, Mohamed never claimed to be a Prophet. He was a terrorist ..

******* stupid.

Faisal Islam said,

******* stupid.

When you kill your daughter for converting to Christianity, when you strap a bomb to yourself, when you wish death upon all infidels, when you say one thing then mean another. And until the lot of you get it through your thick brainwashed skulls that people of different beliefs, ideas or creeds are not bad, I will be calling you stupid. Islam is a terrorist religion, it is not peaceful.

You people do not care about women, you abuse women, you kill innocent people to get a point across (which is stupid by the way) - all over the fact that people do not agree with Mohamed the terrorist. You are all stuck in the stone age and do not deserve to be in this time and place. You are some of the most uneducated morons on the face of the earth. Prime example: When a jackass straps a bomb to himself and then goes out to kill infidels and himself, he is not martyring himself, he is proving to the world that Islam is a retards religion. And to set it even more to the point; when you do that retarded act of trying to martyr yourself, you do not go to heaven with 72 virgins waiting for you, you go to hell ...

Sure there is one true God, Allah is not my god, I don't believe that there is an Allah. My God gave his son to die for us on the cross two thousand years ago. My God and Prophet walked the earth before The Terrorist Mohamed was even born.

I just can't believe how antsie the pakies get over someone who's not even their god or the son of that god holy crapsicle Mohamad was a MAN and that's it and deifying him like they do they go against what god said THOU SHALT NOT BOW BEFORE CRAVEN IMAGES but then what do i know I'm A Jedi and believe that the Balance of light and dark shall be kept with honour and a light sabre

I am not from Pakistan, however the word "Pakie" is regarded as a racist comment in most parts of the world. The correct term is "Pakistani" or whatever other part of the world that person if from (e.g. "Indian", "Sri Lankan" etc..).

Please don't use words that our offensive to one's race. Thanks

rtire said,
I am not from Pakistan, however the word "Pakie" is regarded as a racist comment in most parts of the world. The correct term is "Pakistani" or whatever other part of the world that person if from (e.g. "Indian", "Sri Lankan" etc..).

Please don't use words that our offensive to one's race. Thanks

If extremists did not have a religion to hide behind they would chose something else...

Religion is not bad, organized religion as a whole is not bad, but there is bad people and bad things in the world.

Dragon5150 said,
If extremists did not have a religion to hide behind they would chose something else...

Religion is not bad, organized religion as a whole is not bad, but there is bad people and bad things in the world.

Isn't it funny, though, that the most religious countries always seem to have the highest crime rates and the greatest social problems of all.

In these sort of things,I am Proud to be an INDIAN,because here all religion has equal fundamental rights,none is superior than the other...
And about this case,don't know why they are doing this?

Ajesh_PK said,
In these sort of things,I am Proud to be an INDIAN,because here all religion has equal fundamental rights,none is superior than the other...
And about this case,don't know why they are doing this?

Yeh, do not think people are stupid and forget the past. Equal fundamental rights! blatent lie, stop the genocide of muslims and christian than is happpening for such a long time in INDIA

Ajesh_PK said,
In these sort of things,I am Proud to be an INDIAN,because here all religion has equal fundamental rights,none is superior than the other...
And about this case,don't know why they are doing this?

And yet you have a caste system....

curious isn't this topic suppose to be about Facebook CEO not a dicussion about what religion people believe in and how twisted and messed up they are?

Neopimp said,
curious isn't this topic suppose to be about Facebook CEO not a dicussion about what religion people believe in and how twisted and messed up they are?

More twisted are non believers defying basic knowledge and common sense and self claimed modern champions who shoove their face in sand and pretending history never existed.

THIS IS A TECH WEBSITE PEOPLE!

The news though amusing wont have anything happening for sure.

PS: Why are my posts getting posted twice?

TC17 said,
The only fools here are the ones who think there is no God.

Well I've yet to see any proof at all. So a person is a fool for not believing in a magical ancient superstition written by primitive humans, with absolutely no proof at all. lmao. Do you believe in leprechauns? No? Only a fool would not believe in leprechauns.

Of course it would be very easy to settle all of this and end so many wars. All he has to do is show himself. Why is he hiding? Oh yeah, because he's just a story people made up long ago.

Drone_101 said,
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

Are you fearless? claim this to a psychologist.

fauxtographer said,
ALL organized religions inevitably degenerate into tussles over power, ego and money.

This has nothing to do with religion. It is human nature. How twisted your views are .. defying basic knowledge.

so its Ok for their beliefs to cut christian's heads off just because of who their god is. they can go **** themselves in their beliefs. if they dont like it, dont watch it hear it or read it.

Now this is freedom of speech. Hah, my two cents to those double standards society with athiesm in their skin.
One of my previous long post was removed. Definitely because I showed them their face in the mirror cause I am more enlightened on world history, affairs and politics.
Remember you do not have to belong to a particular society to be truly educated.

** My protest to the moderator on showing double standards. People here are putting filthy comments on country, religion and you are not removing them. I showed them their face and you removed it. Alas. It is evident you are one of them.

jaffers said,

One of my previous long post was removed. Definitely because I showed them their face in the mirror cause I am more enlightened on world history, affairs and politics.

Humility ehhh..

Well I do not want to reply to ugly postings but this pee drinking indian (even Desai recommends it) summons a reply. The animal is not in existence in the country nor are there man made gods who can not even move a fly on them. And not to mention plenty of liberation movements in various provinces. Terrorism on rampage hushed up by the goverment in the media.

Do not act like an indian move yourself above them and be presentable.

The contest stemmed from a South Park episode that was censored by cartoon network after threats of violence. The episode depicts Muhammad in a bear suit and his name is censored with a "bleep."

South Park on Cartoon Network lol.

But I guess Mark has a reason not to go there now lol, and seeing as he is not in the country, how can this lawsuit actually go through? It's just wasting time, money and court space...

x-byte said,
One more reason to not visit Pakistan I guess. Looks like they still live in the middle ages.

and bombing in IRAQ, AFGANISTAN is modern & smart age

x-byte said,
One more reason to not visit Pakistan I guess. Looks like they still live in the middle ages.

The maximum number (per hour, per week and so on) and worst crimes are happening in that so called Modern society. Now that is middle age. Do not twist the facts and words.

jaffers said,

The maximum number (per hour, per week and so on) and worst crimes are happening in that so called Modern society. Now that is middle age. Do not twist the facts and words.
Who are twisting words now? If you get a death penalty for these things you live in the middle ages.

jaffers said,

The maximum number (per hour, per week and so on) and worst crimes are happening in that so called Modern society. Now that is middle age. Do not twist the facts and words.

Crimes happen in every country, that is part of human nature. The difference is in how a country treats it's people, including it's criminals. Oh and we don't execute people for drawing cartoons.

See, u guys don't know anything about prophet Mohammmad. when anyone hurted him he (prophet Mohammad) just pray for him (that person) to God. He neved told any hate speech in his life, never slanged anyone. he's lifestyle and everything was all about peace. But we the MUSLIM doesn't follow him correctly. We the MUSLIM doesn't listen to GOD. It's our problem, not him. I ADMIT. So don't hurt us.

Faisal Islam said,
See, u guys don't know anything about prophet Mohammmad. when anyone hurted him he (prophet Mohammad) just pray for him (that person) to God. He neved told any hate speech in his life, never slanged anyone. he's lifestyle and everything was all about peace. But we the MUSLIM doesn't follow him correctly. We the MUSLIM doesn't listen to GOD. It's our problem, not him. I ADMIT. So don't hurt us.

Exactly. But, there are millions of MUSLIMS that are following our prophets teaching very well. It is the bad muslims are soiling the name of Islam.

But just think of it this way:

If one Christian goes on a terrorist bombing (many have FYI), will the world see christianity as a terrorist religion? No, it will simply say that the man who suicided in the bombing was nuts and shrug off the story as if it never happened.

SyedZainMehdi said,

Exactly. But, there are millions of MUSLIMS that are following our prophets teaching very well. It is the bad muslims are soiling the name of Islam.

But just think of it this way:

If one Christian goes on a terrorist bombing (many have FYI), will the world see christianity as a terrorist religion? No, it will simply say that the man who suicided in the bombing was nuts and shrug off the story as if it never happened.

exactly

Faisal Islam said,
See, u guys don't know anything about prophet Mohammmad. when anyone hurted him he (prophet Mohammad) just pray for him (that person) to God. He neved told any hate speech in his life, never slanged anyone. he's lifestyle and everything was all about peace. But we the MUSLIM doesn't follow him correctly. We the MUSLIM doesn't listen to GOD. It's our problem, not him. I ADMIT. So don't hurt us.

Issue here: There is enough exposure to extremism by the West for even intelligent people to conclude that these "problems" are not from isolated incident. When a lone Muslim done something, how often do we hear fierce condemnation from other Muslim? No. Also, why we target the Muslim in this prophet incident as a whole as opposed to merely individuals?

Is quite simple. Firstly the hypocrisy in the "only bad Muslim" statement when a diplomatic nightmare occurred with only 1 artist and perhaps a couple editors in Denmark. You know, there is riots of sorts by Muslim half a world away and probably will never have anything to do with the publication. This whole Prophet is not a slight on extremism where people are killing, this is on the very reaction of people. While this maybe just a lawyer without better things to do, his response to the prophet situation is exactly what people in the West is used to seeing.

We don't care who the Prophet is. Then why should you care what we think he is. The bigger response, the more defiant and amusing the rest of the world sees this whole situation. I don't support the Mohammed drawing movement, I think is bad taste and people who started is largely pathetic and low life. Doesn't stop me from thinking the worldwide fierce objection is pathetic. This is a fad, and is a fad came about by idiotic overreaction.

Freedom of speech has limits. It is literally in fine print on the US constitution. To break it down... if it doesn't hurt other in any way, then it's ok. If you're spreading lies, slandering others or spreading hate crimes (including blasting the catholics, muslims, christians, dentists, illuminati) then it counts as illegal. Don't be spreadin hate folks, as much as you hate them folks. Try to channel all your anger into something more constructive, like youtube poops or YTPMV's. They're hilarious. Look at this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyuySSQ4qlY

It depends on where you are, but as for the US no, it is not illegal to say bad things about people or organizations as long as those things are presented as your opinion. As much as I hate what they stand for and do, the KKK and even Nazis are perfectly free to spread their ideas (repulsive as they are) in this country so long as they don't physically do any harm.

Look at that slimebag Fred Phelps and his "church" and the horrible things they say. Despite that they are not arrested because what he does is not against the law. Hate speech is not illegal and is protected by the first amendment like any other form of free expression.

Now slander and libel are different things; it is when you present a false statement about someone as being factual when in reality it can be proven false and can harm their reputation. However a personal opinion cannot be considered slander.

Are some of you people completely insane??? How can you sit here and justify a man's death for a satirical depiction of Muhammad?? It's either that you people are mentally unstable or you are just trying to get people riled up. Nobody deserves to die over anything but over a group created on a social networking site? And to add to the insanity of it all, Mark Zuckerberg had nothing to do with it. He just happens to be the creator of the site. I am sorry but I think anyone that is okay with this is a mental reject! I don't give a flying **** about Pakistan and its laws and clearly I have good reason for this. For the people that emigrated from that ****hole one calls a country, consider yourself lucky and I hope wherever you are, you have a better life, and for the people that still live there, I honestly feel sorry for you! Anyone that says "Extradite him" or "Praise justice" or any of the other appalling crap that I have read here you should go see a doctor and maybe check yourself into a mental ward.

ManOfMystery said,
Are some of you people completely insane??? How can you sit here and justify a man's death for a satirical depiction of Muhammad?? It's either that you people are mentally unstable or you are just trying to get people riled up. Nobody deserves to die over anything but over a group created on a social networking site? And to add to the insanity of it all, Mark Zuckerberg had nothing to do with it. He just happens to be the creator of the site. I am sorry but I think anyone that is okay with this is a mental reject! I don't give a flying **** about Pakistan and its laws and clearly I have good reason for this. For the people that emigrated from that ****hole one calls a country, consider yourself lucky and I hope wherever you are, you have a better life, and for the people that still live there, I honestly feel sorry for you! Anyone that says "Extradite him" or "Praise justice" or any of the other appalling crap that I have read here you should go see a doctor and maybe check yourself into a mental ward.

You should get a mental checkup first, last time I checked and still holds true is the US saying to the entire world the give us AiD rather then releasing four times of the money we made in 'transit fees' for the US millatry to be released to us, WTH do you think we are? we live a far better life here, just because the ONLY thing that that can come out of our country to your bias media IS bad news doesnt means thats the ONLY thing happening here. Go seach by the name of 'Pakistan' in google image and see what come up. GROW UP and stop beliveing in the bias of the MEDIA.

Just because 'some' lawyer expressed his freedom you dont have to come down on him like this, isnt this the very thing your defending? let him be, the claim itself, anyone can see WILL NOT be able to pass. BUT the court denying to listen to his case, thats injustice.

Before you spill crap about my country come see it your self with you OWN eyes then talk about it.

FYI: The thing that agers me the most is the bias of facebook, a friend of mine made a 'Hail Hitler' facebook page to express 'his' freedom of speech. Got banned within 2 days. With the draw day getting more than 200,000 such request and not be taken down makes me think does the freedom of speech is on for the first world then?

FYI: The thing that agers me the most is the bias of facebook, a friend of mine made a 'Hail Hitler' facebook page to express 'his' freedom of speech. Got banned within 2 days. With the draw day getting more than 200,000 such request and not be taken down makes me think does the freedom of speech is on for the first world then?

waqastariq said,
FYI: The thing that agers me the most is the bias of facebook, a friend of mine made a 'Hail Hitler' facebook page to express 'his' freedom of speech. Got banned within 2 days. With the draw day getting more than 200,000 such request and not be taken down makes me think does the freedom of speech is on for the first world then?

Freedom of speech does not apply to private web sites like Facebook or Neowin. They are not governments and can make any rules they want about your conduct and what you can say.

TRC said,

Freedom of speech does not apply to private web sites like Facebook or Neowin. They are not governments and can make any rules they want about your conduct and what you can say.


That just shows facebook's hypocrisy.

TRC said,

Freedom of speech does not apply to private web sites like Facebook or Neowin. They are not governments and can make any rules they want about your conduct and what you can say.


You win here.

TRC said,

Freedom of speech does not apply to private web sites like Facebook or Neowin. They are not governments and can make any rules they want about your conduct and what you can say.


You win here.

TRC said,

Freedom of speech does not apply to private web sites like Facebook or Neowin. They are not governments and can make any rules they want about your conduct and what you can say.

Wow! what an exemption. They are beyond the law of the land. By the way do you work for them?

ManOfMystery said,
Are some of you people completely insane??? How can you sit here and justify a man's death for a satirical depiction of Muhammad?? It's either that you people are mentally unstable or you are just trying to get people riled up. Nobody deserves to die over anything but over a group created on a social networking site? And to add to the insanity of it all, Mark Zuckerberg had nothing to do with it. He just happens to be the creator of the site. I am sorry but I think anyone that is okay with this is a mental reject! I don't give a flying **** about Pakistan and its laws and clearly I have good reason for this. For the people that emigrated from that ****hole one calls a country, consider yourself lucky and I hope wherever you are, you have a better life, and for the people that still live there, I honestly feel sorry for you! Anyone that says "Extradite him" or "Praise justice" or any of the other appalling crap that I have read here you should go see a doctor and maybe check yourself into a mental ward.

The mentality you are showing stems from the **cking thing that has demolished your society beyond repair. This "fREEDOM oF sPEECH". Under this go and call 4-letter words to your father, mother and anyone else you like.

The person you are refering to is not just a person. He was the last nominated prophet of God. If you show respect to your father then show many more folds more to a Prophet. Making cartoons is a very lowly act of disrespect.

jaffers said,

Wow! what an exemption. They are beyond the law of the land. By the way do you work for them?

No I don't work for Neowin or any other web site. I just understand the difference between a government and a private organization as far as freedom of speech is concerned. It is to protect people from being punished by the government for expressing their opinions, it has nothing to do with a private company or web site.

I know that's hard for someone to understand who lives in an oppressive country where they can be killed for saying things their government doesn't like.

Edited by Rigby, Jun 21 2010, 12:00pm :

jaffers said,
The person you are refering to is not just a person. He was the last nominated prophet of God. If you show respect to your father then show many more folds more to a Prophet. Making cartoons is a very lowly act of disrespect.

Did it ever occur to you that not everyone thinks this? And that maybe, non-Muslims just view him as a ancient warlord?

Because otherwise I demand you bow before the glory of the Flying Spagetti Monster and his infinite noodlyness.

ManOfMystery said,
Are some of you people completely insane??? How can you sit here and justify a man's death for a satirical depiction of Muhammad?? It's either that you people are mentally unstable or you are just trying to get people riled up. Nobody deserves to die over anything but over a group created on a social networking site? And to add to the insanity of it all, Mark Zuckerberg had nothing to do with it. He just happens to be the creator of the site. I am sorry but I think anyone that is okay with this is a mental reject! I don't give a flying **** about Pakistan and its laws and clearly I have good reason for this. For the people that emigrated from that ****hole one calls a country, consider yourself lucky and I hope wherever you are, you have a better life, and for the people that still live there, I honestly feel sorry for you! Anyone that says "Extradite him" or "Praise justice" or any of the other appalling crap that I have read here you should go see a doctor and maybe check yourself into a mental ward.

I really don't think anyone here is defending them. Just defending the overall hate towards religion. Most will recognize that this is bat*** crazy.

TRC said,

No I don't work for Neowin or any other web site. I just understand the difference between a government and a private organization as far as freedom of speech is concerned. It is to protect people from being punished by the government for expressing their opinions, it has nothing to do with a private company or web site.

I know that's hard for someone to understand who lives in an oppressive country where they can be killed for saying things their government doesn't like.

Another display of total ignorance of world knowledge on countries and other. Needless to engage in any conversation of any value. My comments are the whole system, goverment, and society stinks. Simply.

Athernar said,

Did it ever occur to you that not everyone thinks this? And that maybe, non-Muslims just view him as a ancient warlord?

Because otherwise I demand you bow before the glory of the Flying Spagetti Monster and his infinite noodlyness.

Yes, I am very much aware of the plenty of Morons in this world. Otherwise there would have been no wars in Falklands, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, South America and not to mention the two world wars started by Athiest claiming people who goverment issues currency that says "IN GOD WE TRUST". Double standards all the way to the genes. Can't improve.

jaffers said,
He was the last nominated prophet of God. If you show respect to your father then show many more folds more to a Prophet.

You are forgetting that God doesn't exist for people who use facts and science in order to discover The Truth. Mohamed is prophet of Nothing and people who believe in "fairies" without any shred of verifiable evidences are delusional. If you want respect then bring verifiable evidences.

jaffers said,

Another display of total ignorance of world knowledge on countries and other. Needless to engage in any conversation of any value. My comments are the whole system, goverment, and society stinks. Simply.

I didn't say anything about other countries, I explained what freedom of speech means in the United States and why it is not relevant to private web sites because you seem to have a lot of trouble understanding the difference, saying they are "beyond the law of the land". Go read the Neowin posting guidelines and you'll see exactly what is and what is not allowed here on this particular site. Personally attacking other members with your vile hatred is one of the things that is not allowed which I would imagine is why your posts were removed.

EJocys said,

You are forgetting that God doesn't exist for people who use facts and science in order to discover The Truth. Mohamed is prophet of Nothing and people who believe in "fairies" without any shred of verifiable evidences are delusional. If you want respect then bring verifiable evidences.

What verifiable fact you are looking for. It is within you! If only you have eye to see. Which you do not.
What is your science nothing other than some understanding of the law defined by HIM. It is very evident that you have not used your library effciently. Nor has reading depth. I am not gonna teach you or convince you. It is your own take.

jaffers said,

What verifiable fact you are looking for. It is within you! If only you have eye to see. Which you do not.
What is your science nothing other than some understanding of the law defined by HIM. It is very evident that you have not used your library effciently. Nor has reading depth. I am not gonna teach you or convince you. It is your own take.

There's just as much evidence for your god as there is for Zeus or Santa Clause. They're all just ancient superstitions and fables made up by primitive people. If I told people there was an invisible purple unicorn living in my closet they would think I was crazy. Well it's no crazier than saying there is a magic invisible man in the sky who created the universe.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to go do a rain dance and pray to the flying spaghetti monster.

jaffers said,
Yes, I am very much aware of the plenty of Morons in this world. Otherwise there would have been no wars in Falklands, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, South America and not to mention the two world wars started by Athiest claiming people who goverment issues currency that says "IN GOD WE TRUST". Double standards all the way to the genes. Can't improve.

So let me get this right, you just essentially said that World War 2 was started by America. A country that didn't even want to get involve with said war until they were attacked by Japan?

You are a fool of the highest degree. If a higher being did exist, which it does not by the way. I'm am 100% sure it would be completely and utterly disgusted by you.

jaffers said,
It is within you! If only you have eye to see. Which you do not.

And I can claim that fairies live in your head and you are blind because you can't see them.
jaffers said,
What is your science nothing other than some understanding of the law defined by HIM.

Yeah, or by big clown riding pink unicorn. Since you have zero evidence to prove your point we can declare that I am right and we must go to worship in Circus.
jaffers said,
It is very evident that you have not used your library effciently. Nor has reading depth. I am not gonna teach you or convince you. It is your own take.
You can't teach anything since you can't prove any of your claims. I guess you haven't realized yet that scientific method is the only proven way to separate lies from facts. Matter can't appear from nothing or be destroyed. Physical interactions are based on conservation. This property shows that matter don't need Creator since it existed and will exist forever.

Athernar said,

So let me get this right, you just essentially said that World War 2 was started by America. A country that didn't even want to get involve with said war until they were attacked by Japan?

You are a fool of the highest degree. If a higher being did exist, which it does not by the way. I'm am 100% sure it would be completely and utterly disgusted by you.

I see your comprehension is even poorer than one expect. I was not saying America but meant the so called modern West. Needless to say anything further.

EJocys said,

This property shows that matter don't need Creator since it existed and will exist forever.

I only love to answer to intellectual talk, no childish BS. Please go and live forever, to your heart content.

jaffers said,

I only love to answer to intellectual talk, no childish BS. Please go and live forever, to your heart content.

...says person who believes in miracles and into some mega invisible monster. "go and live forever"? Sounds like illogical BS statement, since humans can't live forever. Also, don't blame others if you can't make connection between laws of Universe/Physics and imaginary deity (God, Allah, Zeus, Pink Unicorn, etc) with "creator" attribute.

jaffers said,

I see your comprehension is even poorer than one expect. I was not saying America but meant the so called modern West. Needless to say anything further.

Maybe you ought to go back to school and improve your writing abilities, because what you wrote was highly specific to America.

Try not to appear dumb yourself when attempting to use intellect-targeting insults.

Your ignorance is as papable that it could be cut with a knife, you have no knowledge, no insight and you're not wise. Stop pretending to be with your disengenous assertions.

jaffers said,

The mentality you are showing stems from the **cking thing that has demolished your society beyond repair. This "fREEDOM oF sPEECH". Under this go and call 4-letter words to your father, mother and anyone else you like.

The person you are refering to is not just a person. He was the last nominated prophet of God. If you show respect to your father then show many more folds more to a Prophet. Making cartoons is a very lowly act of disrespect.

Yes, yes, I know all about Muhammad.....So then what you are saying is that according to your logic, a person's life is to be taken for poking fun? First of all, nobody deserves to die over anything, get that through your brainwashed skull! You may live in a part of the world where someone's life is completely meaningless but everywhere else where there aren't people completely brainwashed by religion and where people don't live a primitive and ancient life that can rationalize how unacceptable it is to murder another human being. By all means, keep defending a system that goes hand in hand with days the church governed a nation and murdered people that did not agree with them, yes, by all means, let's go back a few hundred years........Clearly where you come from you were raised to think like this and I can say that I have nothing but pity for you. You may say that it's 'some' lawyer exercising his 'freedom of speech' but I find really disturbing how you can be appalled by the courts not hearing his case and call it injustice.......If I ran the court system and I received a case from a man that wanted to sentence another human being to death over satirical allegory I'd not only refuse to hear him out but I'd have him arrested and ordered a psych evaluation the put him behind bars for the rest of his days.

It's a shame that Islamic people have the west cowering in their boots and any demand they make is automatically obeyed out of "respect" when it's clear that Islamic people don't respect anything. We give them what they want out of fear. That's not religion it's social manipulation, NOT religion. If religion isn't for you then don't bother getting worked up about it. For those who intend to start websites that will enable users to post content they should automatically ban themselves from such places to avoid PR disasters. That seems to be a successful business model if you're not wanting flaps like this from happening because it will never stop and their demands will grow increasingly unreasonable. If they wanted to be taken seriously they would not use threats of violence alone to push their agenda. But, it's stupid for people to obey such demands and if they were smart they would not censor their service but cut off access to those who just want to censor everything for the sake of their agenda.

Shiranui said,

I would worry too much, they are more than likely to blow up in their own faces.

Push your face further in the sand.

extradite him!!
extradite him!!

If the US can extradite Mark Emery from Canada where they wouldn't prosecute him to the US for prosecution when he NEVER SET FOOT in their country, or sold a thing to their country, or broken ANY canadian laws... I can see no reason why Pakistan can't extradite this SOB for prosecution in their country. Just sayin'.
I know he won't leave the US soil tho. Shame everyone leaves the US hold power over everyone else.

Ruciz said,
extradite him!!
extradite him!!

If the US can extradite Mark Emery from Canada where they wouldn't prosecute him to the US for prosecution when he NEVER SET FOOT in their country, or sold a thing to their country, or broken ANY canadian laws... I can see no reason why Pakistan can't extradite this SOB for prosecution in their country. Just sayin'.
I know he won't leave the US soil tho. Shame everyone leaves the US hold power over everyone else.

He was arrested in Canada by their authorities, and they are the ones allowing him to be sent here. He was also dealing in illegal drugs, not cartoon drawings. Oh and it's probably worth pointing out that the US is not planning to murder him. So basically, stfu with your crazy rant. Just sayin'.

Least you admit you didn't read up on it, or only know what the 'media' had fed you. Just Sayin'.

Emery was not arrested by Canadian authorities my friend... Learn some facts before you press those keys. Just check out his website and watch some of the podcasts so you can see how devilishly crooked your American government is. I guess any country that can run themselves into a Trillion dollars debt shouldn't really be trusted.

Either way, he won't be extradited and I Don't know the difference. Emery didn't even deal with Americans - yet they extradited and prosecuted him as they seen fit. I don't see why Zuckerberg should be 'exempt' from this because he's an American.

Ruciz said,
Least you admit you didn't read up on it, or only know what the 'media' had fed you. Just Sayin'.

Emery was not arrested by Canadian authorities my friend... Learn some facts before you press those keys. Just check out his website and watch some of the podcasts so you can see how devilishly crooked your American government is. I guess any country that can run themselves into a Trillion dollars debt shouldn't really be trusted.

Either way, he won't be extradited and I Don't know the difference. Emery didn't even deal with Americans - yet they extradited and prosecuted him as they seen fit. I don't see why Zuckerberg should be 'exempt' from this because he's an American.

He was arrested by Canadian police, and it's not the first time. You can whaargarble about media conspiracies all you want but it just makes you look foolish. Whether you agree with the law or not drug trafficking is illegal, in both countries. He's a drug dealer, screw him.

If a person doesn't see why an innocent person should not be extradited to a third world rathole to be executed because someone drew a cartoon on a social networking site he owns, they are an idiot.

Edited by Rigby, Jun 21 2010, 9:16pm :

TRC said,

He was arrested by Canadian police, and it's not the first time. You can whaargarble about media conspiracies all you want but it just makes you look foolish. Whether you agree with the law or not drug trafficking is illegal, in both countries. He's a drug dealer, screw him.

If a person doesn't see why an innocent person should not be extradited to a third world rathole to be executed because someone drew a cartoon on a social networking site he owns, they are an idiot.

Zuckerberg knew the law when he opened facebook for Pakistani's. He allowed the illegal contest to take place on his service, and be accessed by pakistani residents. It was still a law he broke in a country he offers his service in which generates revenue for him... I guess ignorance is bliss.

I would like to see what the Americans would do if the tables were turned, cause with Emery who had no ties with ANY Americans they still got their way. Emery wasn't a drug dealer either, he sold seeds and didn't keep it a secret. Canada never charged him after he had his business open for what, 15 years? Also I am 99% positive there are 13 or more states in the USA which SELL MARIJUANA in bud, blunt, brownie or any other consumable form - legally - as medication. Bunch of hypocrites. guess if you don't like them you don't got to respect them either...

Now Suckerberg knows how Salman Rushdie felt. Maybe he should get some survival tips from Ayaan Hirsi Ali or a certain Danish Cartoonist.

I love nothing more than a religious debate - because the pious don't have a leg to stand on - but I won't get involved here.

I will say that it is encouraging to see that at least 50% of you guys no longer have imaginary friends. Those that do I assume are posting from the USA or from outside the developed world.

Am I the only one who imagined a bunch of muslins standing in front of Facebook HQ with pickets chanting "Kill the non-believer"?

If all you have to do is file lawsuits day in day out, I'd look for a different job.

Oh and does anyone have any proof that we exist after death? Oh wait... I'll ask a member of my family who recently came back from the dead. /sarcasm

You can have whatever religion you want. Until it impedes my life and how I live it.
To hell with Pakistan. I say **** on the Koran.

the world is becomming stupider every second a lil more. Since when this crap? Since 9/11? Give me a break. This wont ever end. No till they are all dead. Crude but true

ThePitt said,
the world is becomming stupider every second a lil more. Since when this crap? Since 9/11? Give me a break. This wont ever end. No till they are all dead. Crude but true

Maybe not untill they are all dead, cruder but more true.

So does this mean other UN nations can hold trials, find someone guilty of something in absentia, and sentence him to death for doing NOTHING and expect Interpol to extradite? The White House wishes.... Good luck with that Pakistan. Way to go Muhammad Azhar Siddique, you win International Twit of The Week! Way to drag the rest of your country down with you!

suicide_pact said,
So does this mean other UN nations can hold trials, find someone guilty of something in absentia, and sentence him to death for doing NOTHING and expect Interpol to extradite? The White House wishes.... Good luck with that Pakistan. Way to go Muhammad Azhar Siddique, you win International Twit of The Week! Way to drag the rest of your country down with you!

Or else they could do what Israel does and send in a hit squad instead.

anyway they will just send him over to pakistan and get him killed or imprisoned for life.... right
On that note can the cops arrest real criminals like killers rapists etc?
On another note, churchil gassed people so lets not talk about corruption and him

Hes on another continent... in a free country... do they really like they will be able to arrest him??? i lawled...

Did anyone know that Mark is Jewish? And does anyone know has been killing eachother for the last 2000 years? Muslims and Jews.

APAstyle said,
Did anyone know that Mark is Jewish? And does anyone know has been killing eachother for the last 2000 years? Muslims and Jews.

The saddest part of it all is that they all believe in the same god. They just worship differently.

"Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" - Churchil?

Religion is great, government is great, but religion + government = bad.

APAstyle said,
Did anyone know that Mark is Jewish? And does anyone know has been killing eachother for the last 2000 years? Muslims and Jews.

not surprised, jews own most medias and control teh world

Bengal34 said,
Religion is great, government is great, but religion + government = bad.

Let me fix that for you:
Religion is evil, government is power, religion + government = country is f***ed.

Stupid religion.

All religion is stupid, but this one wins. Scientology is insane for example, but just can't come close to islam no matter how much it tries.

World would be a better place without religion.

Do any of you have any idea as to what Islam (As a Religion) is??

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Islam

I realize that because of all the extremists and fake so-called muslims, whose goal is to ruin the name of Islam, the world thinks of Islam as a crazed, extremist religion in which people are taught to kill anyone who isn't muslim, but that couldn't be further from the truth!

Please, look up Islam first, then post. Maybe try reading something like the Quran (translated in English) and see how NOWHERE in the quran, which is like the holy bible in Islam, does it teach muslims to be violent.

I think that Pakistan as a country is corrupt and doesn't deserve to call itself a muslim nation.

SyedZainMehdi said,
Do any of you have any idea as to what Islam (As a Religion) is??

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Islam

I realize that because of all the extremists and fake so-called muslims, whose goal is to ruin the name of Islam, the world thinks of Islam as a crazed, extremist religion in which people are taught to kill anyone who isn't muslim, but that couldn't be further from the truth!

Please, look up Islam first, then post. Maybe try reading something like the Quran (translated in English) and see how NOWHERE in the quran, which is like the holy bible in Islam, does it teach muslims to be violent.

I think that Pakistan as a country is corrupt and doesn't deserve to call itself a muslim nation.


Ditto.

Just like people bashing Mormons, especially the ones that bring up polygamy. The small groups of fundamentalist "Mormons" practicing polygamy and marrying young girls against their will give the Mormon religion a bad name even tho they have no connection to what so ever.

FYI: I live in Utah, not a Mormon, but it sounds just the same as this crap.

SyedZainMehdi said,
Do any of you have any idea as to what Islam (As a Religion) is??

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Islam

I realize that because of all the extremists and fake so-called muslims, whose goal is to ruin the name of Islam, the world thinks of Islam as a crazed, extremist religion in which people are taught to kill anyone who isn't muslim, but that couldn't be further from the truth!

Please, look up Islam first, then post. Maybe try reading something like the Quran (translated in English) and see how NOWHERE in the quran, which is like the holy bible in Islam, does it teach muslims to be violent.

I think that Pakistan as a country is corrupt and doesn't deserve to call itself a muslim nation.

A religion is nothing without those who follow it. Have you actually read the Qu'Ran? Using the bible as an example is not a good idea either.

Read this;

http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html

Foub said,

A religion is nothing without those who follow it. Have you actually read the Qu'Ran? Using the bible as an example is not a good idea either.

Read this;

http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html

One thing everyone needs to understand, both of those who have faith and those that don't, is that the bible and the koran were written by man. Hence, that are not infailable (sp?).

The trick is to take a look at the overall message, not the small details. This is especially true when looking at the christian bible. It has been translated so many times that the individual words can not be held as 100% true.

(essentially the overall message is to help those who are in need and to not be a dick)

Bengal34 said,

One thing everyone needs to understand, both of those who have faith and those that don't, is that the bible and the koran were written by man. Hence, that are not infailable (sp?).

The trick is to take a look at the overall message, not the small details. This is especially true when looking at the christian bible. It has been translated so many times that the individual words can not be held as 100% true.

(essentially the overall message is to help those who are in need and to not be a dick)

Well then none of it can be trusted. What if the overall message was translated incorrectly? Sorry it's all or nothing. Don't pick and choose.

Foub said,

A religion is nothing without those who follow it. Have you actually read the Qu'Ran? Using the bible as an example is not a good idea either.

Read this;

http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html

First off, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...y_of_quoting_out_of_context
All the examples listed on the website are taken out of context. If you want to read a true meaning, read it here:

<a href='http://www.quranexplorer.com/q...shid&Translation=Eng-Dr. Mohsin&TajweedRules=Off&Zoom=5.2' target='_blank'>Quran Explorer - [Sura : 2, Verse : 1 - 286]</a>

I suggest you this: If you are the author of that article, please take it down or correct it after reading the TRUE & Full translation of the Quran.

Bengal34 said,

One thing everyone needs to understand, both of those who have faith and those that don't, is that the bible and the koran were written by man. Hence, that are not infailable (sp?).

The trick is to take a look at the overall message, not the small details. This is especially true when looking at the christian bible. It has been translated so many times that the individual words can not be held as 100% true.

(essentially the overall message is to help those who are in need and to not be a dick)

The overall message is to hide the stick with a carrot until it is too late.

There is no worse enemy to a theist than another theist since they all create god in their own image..

SyedZainMehdi said,

First off, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...y_of_quoting_out_of_context
All the examples listed on the website are taken out of context. If you want to read a true meaning, read it here:

<a href='http://www.quranexplorer.com/q...shid&Translation=Eng-Dr. Mohsin&TajweedRules=Off&Zoom=5.2' target='_blank'>Quran Explorer - [Sura : 2, Verse : 1 - 286]</a>

I suggest you this: If you are the author of that article, please take it down or correct it after reading the TRUE & Full translation of the Quran.

Please tell me that you didn't just use the fallacy of "quoting out of context..." Lame and weak. You're not a very good apologist, are you.

If it actually were the word of god than translation would be irrelevant.

The overall quality of theistic apologetics on here is very poor with them just using standard tactics that are easily refuted. The very fact that they start out with the belief in an invisible skydaddy shows just how detached from reality they are to begin with and thus puts all of their arguments into question because of this. So they can be safely dismiss and played with for the fun of it. I feel pity for them for being so easy.

Foub said,

Please tell me that you didn't just use the fallacy of "quoting out of context..." Lame and weak. You're not a very good apologist, are you.

If it actually were the word of god than translation would be irrelevant.

What do you mean by that?

Lets say that I use this quote from you out of context. "Translation would be irrelevant" Now that applies everywhere. It could mean anything, and without context, its misleading.

Read that article of fallacy of quoting out of context, then, read the context around the text listed on the link you posted.

SyedZainMehdi said,

What do you mean by that?

Lets say that I use this quote from you out of context. "Translation would be irrelevant" Now that applies everywhere. It could mean anything, and without context, its misleading.

Read that article of fallacy of quoting out of context, then, read the context around the text listed on the link you posted.


+1

SyedZainMehdi said,

What do you mean by that?

Lets say that I use this quote from you out of context. "Translation would be irrelevant" Now that applies everywhere. It could mean anything, and without context, its misleading.

Read that article of fallacy of quoting out of context, then, read the context around the text listed on the link you posted.


+1

thatguyandrew1992 said,

Well then none of it can be trusted. What if the overall message was translated incorrectly? Sorry it's all or nothing. Don't pick and choose.

All or nothing causes hate and bloodshed.

Referring to the main news post item.
Mark Zuckerberg can be held accountable for the material placed on Facebook. Why? well its quite self explanatory which anyone can pretty much prove in the court;

1). The Blasphemous activity was being carried on this website,
2). All such activity was brought to the awareness of the whole world through all forms of publication modes available i.e. Internet, Newspaper, Television. Therefore there is a reasonable basis of assurance that the same was under this knowledge as well.
3). Mark even with the awareness of such content chooses not to take any action,
4). Such action would have not been a violation of Facebook rules regulations and policy, hence the decision of not to take action was intentional and depicts his biased attitude towards Muslims.


Bengal34 said,

Intolerance is bad for the world

Do you mean giving the people of Islam the right to say and do what they want? That law is only good where there is no law, just a bunch of nut cases running around saying behead those who don't believe in Islam.

SpyCatcher said,

Do you mean giving the people of Islam the right to say and do what they want? That law is only good where there is no law, just a bunch of nut cases running around saying behead those who don't believe in Islam.

The ones that go around and behead people are nut cases. As is the lawyer in this article and it seems at least part of the Pakistani government (if this passes).

So much love from so called " Religion of Peace" LOL. They can't hide their real intention too long. Now where are muslim apologists and gullible non muslims.

Auditor said,
So much love from so called " Religion of Peace" LOL. They can't hide their real intention too long. Now where are muslim apologists and gullible non muslims.

Actions speak louder than words.....

A Pakistani lawyer has filed* a "First Information Report" alleging that Facebook creator Mark Zuckerberg is responsible for the distribution of blasphemous Islamic content**.

* is not a verdict and is nothing special when lawyer fill a crazy complain.
** but is true.

While no country is perfect, I love that in mine I can make a joke about someone without being arrested and having my head chopped off. That's one of my main criteria of a nice country to live in.

TRC said,
While no country is perfect, I love that in mine I can make a joke about someone without being arrested and having my head chopped off. That's one of my main criteria of a nice country to live in.

Canada?

GEIST said,
I'd be more interested in who wouldn't face the death penalty down there.

+1

though ironically, the most intolerant people I know are those who spout of the same juvenile drivel anytime anytime they see the word religion.

Here's some irony. For those accusing us of being racists for questioning Islam. The peoples of Europe, Northern Africa, the Middle-East, and Northern India are all considered of the same race. Caucasian.

Cau·ca·sian
   /k

I don't know what's worse, the Muhammed thing or the people on here posting for religion to be abolished every time a religious story pops up. Neither are realistically holding any individuals accountable for their actions. The Pakistani lawyer is unrealistically going after Zuckerberg for the Muhammed contest and the anti-religion posters on here are unrealistically blaming the religion instead of the individuals who initiates the incidents we read about. I can't wait to see the day when religion does go away just to see what excuse is used to not blame an individual for their actions.

scratch42069 said,
I don't know what's worse, the Muhammed thing or the people on here posting for religion to be abolished every time a religious story pops up. Neither are realistically holding any individuals accountable for their actions. The Pakistani lawyer is unrealistically going after Zuckerberg for the Muhammed contest and the anti-religion posters on here are unrealistically blaming the religion instead of the individuals who initiates the incidents we read about. I can't wait to see the day when religion does go away just to see what excuse is used to not blame an individual for their actions.

+1

scratch42069 said,
I don't know what's worse, the Muhammed thing or the people on here posting for religion to be abolished every time a religious story pops up. Neither are realistically holding any individuals accountable for their actions. The Pakistani lawyer is unrealistically going after Zuckerberg for the Muhammed contest and the anti-religion posters on here are unrealistically blaming the religion instead of the individuals who initiates the incidents we read about. I can't wait to see the day when religion does go away just to see what excuse is used to not blame an individual for their actions.

They'll blame video games.....oh wait...they already do. It's human nature to blame things other than themselves.

that's retarded
they might as well blame al gore for inventing the internet since the internet is also responsible for disrespecting their religion as well

Obi Wong said,
that's retarded
they might as well blame al gore for inventing the internet since the internet is also responsible for disrespecting their religion as well

They don't even want to go there. Manbearpig will mess them up good.

Im usually sympathetic and tend to avoid sterotyping when i see a news article relating to islam/muslims.
But with thsi whole draw Muhammed thing, it just baffels my mind that in the year 2010 with all our technological advances that abunch of people get upset about pictures of a person who lived 1400 years ago...
Seriously get the f... over it, noone is taking your religion away , no one is killing you/harming you.
God and Muhammed (if they are as great as your religion claims) do not need people defendign their reputation.
The devine creator of every atom in this universe and his prophet are hardly goign to be concerned about some peopel making cartons about them, think about it logically, oh wait I just realised you follow a 1400 year old religion that has nothing to do with today.

Hitman2000 said,
Im usually sympathetic and tend to avoid sterotyping when i see a news article relating to islam/muslims.
But with thsi whole draw Muhammed thing, it just baffels my mind that in the year 2010 with all our technological advances that abunch of people get upset about pictures of a person who lived 1400 years ago...
Seriously get the f... over it, noone is taking your religion away , no one is killing you/harming you.
God and Muhammed (if they are as great as your religion claims) do not need people defendign their reputation.
The devine creator of every atom in this universe and his prophet are hardly goign to be concerned about some peopel making cartons about them, think about it logically, oh wait I just realised you follow a 1400 year old religion that has nothing to do with today.

We (Muslims) are jealous about our religion, not like any other religions where its believers make fun of their own religion and even fake it.

You even make figures of jesus and draw him naked while and even made movies figuring jesus as an actor while we respect all prophets, follow their message to please Allah who created us all and who will end us all and then bring us to eternity life, hell or paradise.

Elagizy said,

We (Muslims) are jealous about our religion, not like any other religions where its believers make fun of their own religion and even fake it.

You even make figures of jesus and draw him naked while and even made movies figuring jesus as an actor while we respect all prophets, follow their message to please Allah who created us all and who will end us all and then bring us to eternity life, hell or paradise.

If an eternity in paradise or hell is what awaits us all, why does Allah / Muhammad insist that those who depict him be killed? Can the immortal being not wait a few decades? More importantly, if they won't be judged until Judgement Day, then why the hurry to kill those who offend Allah / Muhammad?

thommcg said,

If an eternity in paradise or hell is what awaits us all, why does Allah / Muhammad insist that those who depict him be killed? Can the immortal being not wait a few decades? More importantly, if they won't be judged until Judgement Day, then why the hurry to kill those who offend Allah / Muhammad?

We don't even think to attack any of the non believers but we attack only who attack us. Why you just don't leave our beliefs alone! Are you jealous because we love our religion so much! Drawing cartoons for a prophet shows how's the ethics of your religion is, in case you have a religion thought!

In the contrary, we respect Jesus more than you do. He's written in Quran and he is not dead and he in not the son of Allah. Allah is one without any partners, childs or parents. Allah is not a human being! We respect jesus the prophet of the "real" bible, the slave of god.

We're not going to wait and see you make fun of our religion because your actions create more hate and violence to our religion which in return harm us everywhere.

I'm not a terrorist and can't even kill a chicken!

Elagizy said,

We don't even think to attack any of the non believers but we attack only who attack us. Why you just don't leave our beliefs alone! Are you jealous because we love our religion so much! Drawing cartoons for a prophet shows how's the ethics of your religion is, in case you have a religion thought!

In the contrary, we respect Jesus more than you do. He's written in Quran and he is not dead and he in not the son of Allah. Allah is one without any partners, childs or parents. Allah is not a human being! We respect jesus the prophet of the "real" bible, the slave of god.

We're not going to wait and see you make fun of our religion because your actions create more hate and violence to our religion which in return harm us everywhere.

I'm not a terrorist and can't even kill a chicken!

Drawing a picture of someone is not attacking you. If your religion says you can't draw a picture of your so called prophet than so be it, but not everyone believes what you do. If a person is not a member of your religion why should they have to follow it's rules and what gives you the right to try and punish them?

You say to "leave your beliefs alone" yet you do not respect the beliefs of others. There are many many religions where most if not all of it's followers are peaceful and respect all life, but yours seems to be filled with screaming murderous hate mongers. No, not all of them. I know there are plenty of peaceful, intelligent Muslims but the ones murdering people and screaming for death to other nations kind of makes you look bad, know what I mean?

Elagizy said,

We don't even think to attack any of the non believers but we attack only who attack us. Why you just don't leave our beliefs alone! Are you jealous because we love our religion so much! Drawing cartoons for a prophet shows how's the ethics of your religion is, in case you have a religion thought!

Ok, but that's not the question I was posing.

thommcg said,

Ok, but that's not the question I was posing.

Your post is like saying: "If someone stole me, I'll just wait till the judgment day and will not run after him"!

I already said that we will not wait to see you poisoning the world thoughts through your media telling them that Muslim are terrorists. It's very idiotic concept.

Then why there thousands convert to Islam every month! And why there is mosques in your country! That's because there some of your people discovered the truth and the beauty of our religion.

As I said before "Don't judge Islam if you saw Muslim stealing or killing innocent people!"
Even USA is full terrorists including the government itself, that doesn't mean that all Americans are terrorists.

Now, for facebook, it's no. 2 in the Alexa rank that means most of internet users around the world open this website. When this website attack us directly and posting stupid materials about our religion. Then that's attacking and not a freedom of speech.

You can do some fun of your religion and that will be fine by us so please don't hide your real intentions because it's already known and proven through the history.

Elagizy said,

Your post is like saying: "If someone stole me, I'll just wait till the judgment day and will not run after him"!
No, it's not the same because I'm talking specifically about a "crime" against Allah, not a crime between people.

Elagizy said,

I already said that we will not wait to see you poisoning the world thoughts through your media telling them that Muslim are terrorists. It's very idiotic concept.
No-one here has said all Muslims are terrorists, neither does "the media" insist all Muslims are terrorists, now it is you lying.

Elagizy said,

Then why there thousands convert to Islam every month! And why there is mosques in your country! That's because there some of your people discovered the truth and the beauty of our religion.
Thousands of people convert to a variety of religions every month, not just Islam. That said, for Muslims, apostasy is a "crime" punishable by death, so if not many Muslims convert that's understandable enough.

Edited by thommcg, Jun 22 2010, 4:38pm :

thommcg said,
No, it's not the same because I'm talking specifically about a "crime" against Allah, not a crime between people.

No-one here has said all Muslims are terrorists, neither does "the media" insist all Muslims are terrorists, now it is you lying.

Thousands of people convert to a variety of religions every month, not just Islam. That said, for Muslims, apostasy is a "crime" punishable by death, so if not many Muslims convert that's understandable enough.

Now your are lying and trying to reverse the issue!

Check the facebook group of cartoons, check the posts of members for this news!!!! and even check what happened in 9/11 by your ex president bush!!!!, who's is lying!!!

Attacking Allah is worse than attacking me, I'm ready to give my life to serve god. That looks weird to you cause you don't understand why you exist in the 1st place!

We are here because of Adam and Eve mistake, otherwise we should have been living in paradise. And we are in a test to show our loyalty to god through our life on earth till the judgment day.

The highest percentage is for who converts to Islam and that's already been reported many times by your newspapers. You may think that I try to support my religion, in face I'm trying to tell you to believe in the most logical religion. Logically there is one god and it couldn't be a human because God is higher and better than you even imagine, we are nothing compared to Allah.

Judaism worship one god, but they don't follow what's written in their book. They faked it to serve their criminal intents. Jews are also written in our Quran and their history is known thousand of years ago full of black pages. And today is just history repeating itself. They are born separated and in misery because of their disloyalty to god and their end will be by us and it'll be a sign for closing of judgment day.

Elagizy said,
Now your are lying and trying to reverse the issue!

Check the facebook group of cartoons, check the posts of members for this news!!!! and even check what happened in 9/11 by your ex president bush!!!!, who's is lying!!!


Check this post for comments that say all Muslims are terrorists, none do. You're clearing lying. Not one comment on this article states "all Muslims are terrorists".

As regards 9/11, are you claiming the 9/11 hijackers were not Muslims? What's that got to do with our current topic anyway, nothing!

Elagizy said,
The highest percentage is for who converts to Islam and that's already been reported many times by your newspapers. You may think that I try to support my religion, in face I'm trying to tell you to believe in the most logical religion. Logically there is one god and it couldn't be a human because God is higher and better than you even imagine, we are nothing compared to Allah.

Judaism worship one god, but they don't follow what's written in their book. They faked it to serve their criminal intents. Jews are also written in our Quran and their history is known thousand of years ago full of black pages. And today is just history repeating itself. They are born separated and in misery because of their disloyalty to god and their end will be by us and it'll be a sign for closing of judgment day.


Again, what's that got to do with cartoons on Facebook? Nothing.

thommcg said,

Check this post for comments that say all Muslims are terrorists, none do. You're clearing lying. Not one comment on this article states "all Muslims are terrorists".

As regards 9/11, are you claiming the 9/11 hijackers were not Muslims? What's that got to do with our current topic anyway, nothing!


Again, what's that got to do with cartoons on Facebook? Nothing.

Clearly lying?! :rolleye:
Check these comments:
http://www.neowin.net/news/mar...in-pakistan#comment-1118327

http://www.neowin.net/news/mar...in-pakistan#comment-1115571

http://www.neowin.net/news/mar...in-pakistan#comment-1116625

The facebook group is the center of the news, if you've checked the group as you claim. It's not only cartoons, check the posts in there, people thinks that we are terrorists. Some videos which even not related to us. Rantings, jokes and a bunch of non sense in the entire group.

After 9/11 all Muslims residents in USA, treated badly as if they are terrorists. And since then the media continues to deliver an entirely wrong images about our thoughts.

Everything is connected; from the thoughts of some members posted here!

Elagizy said,

Clearly lying?! :rolleye:
Check these comments:
None of those say all Muslims are terrorists. Sure, they've bad things to say about Pakistan alright & remarks about Mohammed & Islamic fanatics, but Muslims do not exist in Pakistan only and the entirety of Muslims are not fanatics either are they?

So, again, nowhere did anyone say all Muslims are terrorists.

This just shows how weak their faith is to be so easily offended. If their faith were true than others wouldn't be able to offend them since they wouldn't care what others believed or said. They should be secure in their own beliefs, but all of this violence proves just how weak they truly are.

"Faith is that quality which enables us to believe what we know to be untrue."
-- From Boners: Seriously Misguided Facts -- According to Schoolkids
by Alexander Abingdon

Beaux said,
Is Pakistan a member of the united nations?

Why aren't they kicked out?

If their government supports this accusing, they should be!

Beaux said,
Is Pakistan a member of the united nations?

Why aren't they kicked out?

un is useless. WTO is more important to nations

Beaux said,
Is Pakistan a member of the united nations?

Why aren't they kicked out?

Thank God people like you aren't running the show. A LAWYER submitted the petition, not the Govt of Pakistan.

V9s said,

Thank God people like you aren't running the show. A LAWYER submitted the petition, not the Govt of Pakistan.

But the laws of Pakistan are what say he gets the death penalty if found guilty. It's still an extremist law.

As Mr. Garrison once said:

Let's all look at why Muslims are upset. First of all, in the Muslim religion, you're not allowed to have what? Sex. Good. There's no sex until marriage in the Muslim world. Now, this would be fine except that in the Muslim religion you also can't... Anybody? Jack off. Okay, jacking it is strictly forbidden in the Muslim religion. And what do we know about the places Muslims live? They live in? Good, sand. Now put yourself in the shoes of a Muslim. It's Friday night, but you can't have sex, and you can't jack off. There's sand in your eyes and probably in the crack of your ass, and then some cartoon comes along from a country where people are getting laid, and mocks your prophet. Well, you know what? I'd be pretty p***ed off too!

Joking aside, this is insanity: Religion and law should never, ever be mixed.

Islam is a violent, oppressive, religion with psychos running about bombing people..there I'm wanted in Pakistan too now... ****ing nutjobs.

Azies said,
Islam is a violent, oppressive, religion with psychos running about bombing people..there I'm wanted in Pakistan too now... ****ing nutjobs.

WRONG! Islam is a religion of peace being perverted by wack-jobs as an excuse to kill people.

Bengal34 said,

WRONG! Islam is a religion of peace being perverted by wack-jobs as an excuse to kill people.

Like Mohammad? Remember, he was also a warlord. Islam means submission, not peace. Submission is slavery and there is no peace in that.

Foub said,

Like Mohammad? Remember, he was also a warlord. Islam means submission, not peace. Submission is slavery and there is no peace in that.

Islam means Submission to God ALONE.

Foub said,

Like Mohammad? Remember, he was also a warlord. Islam means submission, not peace. Submission is slavery and there is no peace in that.

There is no peace to be a slave to god! God made you exist and not your parents, LOL!
You should be thankful for being human and exist, and not born as an animal or insect.

The govt protect and support dangerous terrorists while guys like Mark Zuckerberg are given death threats..that's ridiculous...

Hah, do they really think Interpol and the UN are going to give a f***? They will just laugh it off. It's anti-democracy and against basic human rights.

These people should stop this crap and do something useful with their lives.

Mikeyx11 said,
Hah, do they really think Interpol and the UN are going to give a f***? They will just laugh it off. It's anti-democracy and against basic human rights.

These people should stop this crap and do something useful with their lives.


How is it anti-democracy?

Mikeyx11 said,
Hah, do they really think Interpol and the UN are going to give a f***? They will just laugh it off. It's anti-democracy and against basic human rights.

These people should stop this crap and do something useful with their lives.


I cant belive how arogant one can be, when the usa comes to Pakistan, picks up innocent people detains them, torture them for years and then return them to us and say they are sorry they got the wrong person. thats justified for you?

waqastariq said,

I cant belive how arogant one can be, when the usa comes to Pakistan, picks up innocent people detains them, torture them for years and then return them to us and say they are sorry they got the wrong person. thats justified for you?

waqastariq, I am not American, I am far from ignorant on the atrocities that the US has committed, and I never said that everything they do is justified.

You brought up a whole other unrelated topic, and you are assuming what my thoughts, opinions and beliefs are. Making assumptions like this without reason is arrogant, my friend. I hope that one day you will realize that just because someone is anti-something does not mean they are pro-something else.

And M2Ys4U, it is anti-democracy because one should not be held responsible for a crime if they did not commit, partake in or approve it. Democracy also relates to social equality and fair justice. Look up the definition of a world before you question it, thank you.

When you attack black people,they call it racism.when you attack Jewish people,they call it anti-semetism. when you attack women,they call it sexism. when you attack homosexuality,they call it intolerance.when you attack your country,they call it treason. when you attack a religious sect they call ithate. BUT when they attack The Prophet Mohammad they call it freedom of speech?!

It's sad to see that no one understand Pakistan's actions regarding banning facebook or setting death penalty on Mark. Let's say some people decided to draw offensive cartoons about you or your parents and publish it everywhere.

Every muslim which to have 1% of the characteristics prophet Mohamed because of his outstanding and awesome personality, offending someone without knowing him is just stupid!

Although I'm a Muslim, I'm a facebook user, open minded and not living in the dark ages. Prophet Mohamed is the best person in the world since it began, read enough (put zillions of lines under "enough") about him and his biography before ranting.

Elagizy said,
When you attack black people,they call it racism.when you attack Jewish people,they call it anti-semetism. when you attack women,they call it sexism. when you attack homosexuality,they call it intolerance.when you attack your country,they call it treason. when you attack a religious sect they call ithate. BUT when they attack The Prophet Mohammad they call it freedom of speech?!

It's sad to see that no one understand Pakistan's actions regarding banning facebook or setting death penalty on Mark. Let's say some people decided to draw offensive cartoons about you or your parents and publish it everywhere.

Every muslim which to have 1% of the characteristics prophet Mohamed because of his outstanding and awesome personality, offending someone without knowing him is just stupid!

Although I'm a Muslim, I'm a facebook user, open minded and not living in the dark ages. Prophet Mohamed is the best person in the world since it began, read enough (put zillions of lines under "enough") about him and his biography before ranting.


I dont consider deflowering a 9 year old awesome and for the record I am against all kinds of religion including Buddhism..so don't feel alone.

Elagizy said,
When you attack black people,they call it racism.when you attack Jewish people,they call it anti-semetism. when you attack women,they call it sexism. when you attack homosexuality,they call it intolerance.when you attack your country,they call it treason. when you attack a religious sect they call ithate. BUT when they attack The Prophet Mohammad they call it freedom of speech?!

It's sad to see that no one understand Pakistan's actions regarding banning facebook or setting death penalty on Mark. Let's say some people decided to draw offensive cartoons about you or your parents and publish it everywhere.

Every muslim which to have 1% of the characteristics prophet Mohamed because of his outstanding and awesome personality, offending someone without knowing him is just stupid!

Although I'm a Muslim, I'm a facebook user, open minded and not living in the dark ages. Prophet Mohamed is the best person in the world since it began, read enough (put zillions of lines under "enough") about him and his biography before ranting.

+1

Elagizy said,
... BUT when they attack The Prophet Mohammad they call it freedom of speech?!...

The reason for that is fairly obvious, Mohammad is exempt from all forms of debate, satire, etc. as a result of his followers threats / actions. Did Mormons hold protests & riots after say, South Park, did an episode on them? Nope. What about Scientologists? Nope. Christians after "Bloody Mary"? Nope.

& that's why it's seen as a Freedom of Speech issue, because you can say essentially whatever you like about any religion but one. You don't have to like it, you just have to accept that others can do it.

Elagizy said,
When you attack black people,they call it racism.when you attack Jewish people,they call it anti-semetism ... BUT when they attack The Prophet Mohammad they call it freedom of speech?!

ALL of those things you mentioned are protected as freedom of speech in modern countries. It is not against the law to say bad things about someone or something. It's even more ridiculous to say that drawing a cartoon of a long dead religious figure is hurting anyone. Yeah it might hurt your feelings or offend you, but that doesn't give you the right to do physical harm to the person who said it. Anyone who thinks it does IS living in the dark ages.

Edited by Rigby, Jun 20 2010, 11:02am :

thommcg said,

The reason for that is fairly obvious, Mohammad is exempt from all forms of debate, satire, etc. as a result of his followers threats / actions. Did Mormons hold protests & riots after say, South Park, did an episode on them? Nope. What about Scientologists? Nope. Christians after "Bloody Mary"? Nope.

& that's why it's seen as a Freedom of Speech issue, because you can say essentially whatever you like about any religion but one. You don't have to like it, you just have to accept that others can do it.

I believe the person who started "blooded mary" and ended up with drawing cartoon is the person who don't believe in god the 1st place.

These kind people are pathetic, because they believe that they will be just gone when they die. If that's the case, they should steal, rap, kill without any boundaries since they don't believe in hell or paradise!

If that's the case, then who says it's a freedom of speech, is either hater or non believer in god. In either cases, he is stupid for ranting without offering a logical reason.

Elagizy said,

These kind people are pathetic, because they believe that they will be just gone when they die. If that's the case, they should steal, rap, kill without any boundaries since they don't believe in hell or paradise!

If the only thing stopping someone from murdering, stealing, etc is fear of hell or the promise of a reward for being good than they are horrible, weak willed pathetic excuse for a human beings. You should be a good person because it's the right thing to do, it's how we are able to live in a safe and happy society. It shouldn't be because of some two thousand year old fables that was used to scare primitive people into behaving themselves.

Also I am not a big fan of rap but I have no idea why you would go to hell for listening to it.

Elagizy said,

I believe the person who started "blooded mary" and ended up with drawing cartoon is the person who don't believe in god the 1st place.

These kind people are pathetic, because they believe that they will be just gone when they die. If that's the case, they should steal, rap, kill without any boundaries since they don't believe in hell or paradise!

If that's the case, then who says it's a freedom of speech, is either hater or non believer in god. In either cases, he is stupid for ranting without offering a logical reason.

Steal, Rape, Kill!!!

I don't believe in a God, its just nice to be a nice person

Elagizy said,

I believe the person who started "blooded mary" and ended up with drawing cartoon is the person who don't believe in god the 1st place.

These kind people are pathetic, because they believe that they will be just gone when they die. If that's the case, they should steal, rap, kill without any boundaries since they don't believe in hell or paradise!

If that's the case, then who says it's a freedom of speech, is either hater or non believer in god. In either cases, he is stupid for ranting without offering a logical reason.

On a per capita basis atheists, and the like, tend to be more moral than theists. The reason for this is simple, since this is the only life we know of we want to make the most out of it and the best way is to be treat others as we would like to be treated. Theists believe that all they have to do is believe in a god and ask for forgiveness and they get to go to another life. Atheist work to make heaven on Earth, theists don't.

Elagizy said,

These kind people are pathetic, because they believe that they will be just gone when they die. If that's the case, they should steal, rap, kill without any boundaries since they don't believe in hell or paradise!

Hahahahah.
I dont even know why im bothering to respond to such an absurd claim. Maybe just with the microscopic hope that will show you how silly it is.

Elagizy said,
When you attack black people,they call it racism.when you attack Jewish people,they call it anti-semetism. when you attack women,they call it sexism. when you attack homosexuality,they call it intolerance.when you attack your country,they call it treason. when you attack a religious sect they call ithate. BUT when they attack The Prophet Mohammad they call it freedom of speech?!

It's sad to see that no one understand Pakistan's actions regarding banning facebook or setting death penalty on Mark. Let's say some people decided to draw offensive cartoons about you or your parents and publish it everywhere.

Every muslim which to have 1% of the characteristics prophet Mohamed because of his outstanding and awesome personality, offending someone without knowing him is just stupid!

Although I'm a Muslim, I'm a facebook user, open minded and not living in the dark ages. Prophet Mohamed is the best person in the world since it began, read enough (put zillions of lines under "enough") about him and his biography before ranting.

You are comparing apples to oranges. Anyone can be a Muslim. Its a choice. You can't choose to be a different race. Plus, you have a very limited definition of attack. An attack is when one comes at another with a weapon with intent to harm. We, in the West, have rights and freedoms and one of them is to be able to express an opinion without fear. We aren't say these things to you JUST because you're a Muslim, but because, like all dominance based religions, we bring forward what you refuse to see. We'd do the same for another such belief system.

Elagizy said,
When you attack black people,they call it racism.when you attack Jewish people,they call it anti-semetism. when you attack women,they call it sexism. when you attack homosexuality,they call it intolerance.when you attack your country,they call it treason. when you attack a religious sect they call ithate. BUT when they attack The Prophet Mohammad they call it freedom of speech?!

It's sad to see that no one understand Pakistan's actions regarding banning facebook or setting death penalty on Mark. Let's say some people decided to draw offensive cartoons about you or your parents and publish it everywhere.

Every muslim which to have 1% of the characteristics prophet Mohamed because of his outstanding and awesome personality, offending someone without knowing him is just stupid!

Although I'm a Muslim, I'm a facebook user, open minded and not living in the dark ages. Prophet Mohamed is the best person in the world since it began, read enough (put zillions of lines under "enough") about him and his biography before ranting.

If you think the death penalty is a justified answer to a stupid little cartoon, then you are every bit as warped and inhuman as the rest of these hate preaching extremists.

Foub said,

You are comparing apples to oranges. Anyone can be a Muslim. Its a choice. You can't choose to be a different race. Plus, you have a very limited definition of attack. An attack is when one comes at another with a weapon with intent to harm. We, in the West, have rights and freedoms and one of them is to be able to express an opinion without fear. We aren't say these things to you JUST because you're a Muslim, but because, like all dominance based religions, we bring forward what you refuse to see. We'd do the same for another such belief system.

P.S.

If most people on here were saying things like "All Muslims should be taken out and shot...." then you would have a valid claim, but we're not saying that.

Remote Sojourner said,

I dont consider deflowering a 9 year old awesome and for the record I am against all kinds of religion including Buddhism..so don't feel alone.

Ummmmmmm what????? What does this have do with his comment>

jarsworldcom said,

Ummmmmmm what????? What does this have do with his comment>

the person said read about mohammed and find out what an awesome person he is. it's a matter of historical fact that mohammed married a 9 year old and consummated the relationship. iirc he said she was the most beautiful of all his wives.

TRC said,

ALL of those things you mentioned are protected as freedom of speech in modern countries. It is not against the law to say bad things about someone or something. It's even more ridiculous to say that drawing a cartoon of a long dead religious figure is hurting anyone. Yeah it might hurt your feelings or offend you, but that doesn't give you the right to do physical harm to the person who said it. Anyone who thinks it does IS living in the dark ages.

Go tell that to their government.

Elagizy said,

... These kind people are pathetic, because they believe that they will be just gone when they die. If that's the case, they should steal, rap, kill without any boundaries since they don't believe in hell or paradise!

If that's the case, then who says it's a freedom of speech, is either hater or non believer in god. In either cases, he is stupid for ranting without offering a logical reason.

You sir, are an idiot.

thommcg said,

You sir, are an idiot.

Let's see who will be the big whooping idiot when you die and suffering in your grave, and then when you are back to an eternity life full of pain and regret.

Elagizy said,

Let's see who will be the big whooping idiot when you die and suffering in your grave, and then when you are back to an eternity life full of pain and regret.

freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom

Elagizy said,

Let's see who will be the big whooping idiot when you die and suffering in your grave, and then when you are back to an eternity life full of pain and regret.

Last resort of the religious hatemonger. Provide threats of fire and brimstone because you have no logical answer left.

Faisal Islam said,

u r ****ing racist

Here we go. Yelling and acting violent over a joke. That cartoon wasn't even remotely racist.

Faisal Islam said,

u r ****ing racist

Last time I checked the prophet was a person, not a race, and Islam (also last time I checked) was a religion, not a race.

Like most of your kind, you simply abuse the R word to silence criticism.

Faisal Islam said,

u r ****ing racist

Quite the contrary my friend. And I'm also not so insecure about my own religion as to think my God would be threatened by a mere scribble on a piece of paper. He's much more powerful than that.

TRC said,

Here we go. Yelling and acting violent over a joke. That cartoon wasn't even remotely racist.

Careful dude, don't get involved in this. Mr. Faisal Islam is acting exactly like what these Islamic extremists are like. One comment and they're ready to decapitate you. We don't need crazy *******s like him in our world!

John S. said,

Quite the contrary my friend. And I'm also not so insecure about my own religion as to think my God would be threatened by a mere scribble on a piece of paper. He's much more powerful than that.


+1 Well said.

mindscape said,
Sounds like someone has too much time on their hands, or still believes the world should revert back to the Dark Ages.

Yeh that's basically what these overly zealous religious nuts are after. Regression, not progression.

What annoys me is this backward hypocritical attitude these countries have.

They get offended when someone offends their religion, yet they are more than prepared to kill someone who does - hardly the most godly way behave, to execute someone. But they are in the clear, because they can just say they are doing it in the name of god. It's sick.

Next time that lawyer doodle in his office (as he clearly have a lot of time and thus be bored), I will claim he drew Mohammed with baseless accusation. Or send him a copy then tip off the local authorities.

But seriously, this is just ridiculous.

Ferret said,
I bet some of them drawings were funny as **** !

yeah, I'd like to see some of these drawings

pictures or it didn't happen rule please follow.

Lamp Post said,
Islam never fails to amuse me...

Please don't generalize Islam. Yes there is an issue right now with people perverting the religion like this. But if you really look at the religion itself, stuff like this and all islamic extremists violates the very principles of the religion that they claim that they follow.

Bengal34 said,

Please don't generalize Islam. Yes there is an issue right now with people perverting the religion like this. But if you really look at the religion itself, stuff like this and all islamic extremists violates the very principles of the religion that they claim that they follow.


Oh, I am aware of that. And I find it amusing what things it causes. Like a government trying to use UN to get a guy sentenced to death because his service was used to do something they don't condone.

It's like the church's witch hunt some centuries ago. Completely senseless, just hurting innocent people.

Lamp Post said,

Oh, I am aware of that. And I find it amusing what things it causes. Like a government trying to use UN to get a guy sentenced to death because his service was used to do something they don't condone.

It's like the church's witch hunt some centuries ago. Completely senseless, just hurting innocent people.


Get a life, read the news first and then post, it does not say anywhere that Govt is trying that it just says that the lawyer want this. BIG diffrence.

waqastariq said,

Get a life, read the news first and then post, it does not say anywhere that Govt is trying that it just says that the lawyer want this. BIG diffrence.

He doesn't get the UN representative in on this unless the government actually supports it?

"The activist lawyer originally filed a writ against the Government of Pakistan, insinuating that it had failed to initiate the proceedings itself. The Pakistani government then proceeded to launch its criminal investigation."

Edited by Lamp Post, Jun 21 2010, 8:56am :

lololol, this is what you get for "offending a religion", no wonder progression is so slow in these places. That's an ANCIENT practice, I guess someday individuals who even think of this garbage will get past this

SwaggaXL said,
lololol, this is what you get for "offending a religion", no wonder progression is so slow in these places. That's an ANCIENT practice, I guess someday individuals who even think of this garbage will get past this

Don't hold your breath. Maybe America could lead by example as it is by FAR the most religious country in the Western world.

Go Pakistan!!

If that's what it takes to bring down these worthless sites, go for it!!

Ibutsu wrote:
"And the world proves its intelligence once more."

The world has proven it's intelligence (or lack of it) by even using these sites.

cork1958 said,
Go Pakistan!!

If that's what it takes to bring down these worthless sites, go for it!!

Ibutsu wrote:
"And the world proves its intelligence once more."

The world has proven it's intelligence (or lack of it) by even using these sites.


I myself dont use facebook, but just becuase you find them worthless dont mean its same for everyone else.

cork1958 said,
Go Pakistan!!

If that's what it takes to bring down these worthless sites, go for it!!

Ibutsu wrote:
"And the world proves its intelligence once more."

The world has proven it's intelligence (or lack of it) by even using these sites.

So you are saying killing someone is fine if it gets rid of sites like Facebook? Stop and think before you say stupid things. No one is forcing you to use or even visit Facebook, and there's nothing wrong with using a social media site if someone wants to.

Edited by Rigby, Jun 20 2010, 11:10am :

cork1958 said,
Go Pakistan!!

If that's what it takes to bring down these worthless sites, go for it!!

Ibutsu wrote:
"And the world proves its intelligence once more."

The world has proven it's intelligence (or lack of it) by even using these sites.


Wow, you're a bit of a ****. And I am not worried about getting warned by admins either, regarding this comment.

cork1958 said,
Go Pakistan!!

If that's what it takes to bring down these worthless sites, go for it!!

Does this mean we can get Pakistan to issue a death penalty to you for making worthless posts?

cork1958 said,
Go Pakistan!!

If that's what it takes to bring down these worthless sites, go for it!!

Ibutsu wrote:
"And the world proves its intelligence once more."

The world has proven it's intelligence (or lack of it) by even using these sites.


Ha, if you really think killing off the CEO is going to bring down Facebook, then you have bigger issues. They'll just pick a new one, and carry on. Business as usual.

generko said,
Who is Mark ?

Mark Elliot Zuckerberg (born May 14, 1984) is an American industrialist best known for co-founding the popular social networking site Facebook. Zuckerberg co-founded Facebook with fellow classmates Dustin Moskovitz, Eduardo Saverin, and Chris Hughes while attending Harvard. He is currently one of the youngest billionaires in the world with personal wealth of US$4 billion in 2010.

Denvildaste said,

Pakistan isn't in the middle east dude


but it is one of those 3rd world countries you don't want to visit or hear about

It is seriously embarrassing to be a Pakistani right now. People are dying and the Punjabi police would rather focus on this. Indeed there is no end to stupidity.
My fellow Pakistanis, please PLEASE get a life.

V9s said,
People are dying and the Punjabi police would rather focus on this.

When did the police in Punjab get involved?

V9s said,
Indeed there is no end to stupidity.

DaveGreen said,
Absurdities of religons. When is going to end this?

When we finally nuke the hell out of them.

Greetings from another reader of Paperino.

DaveGreen said,
Absurdities of religons. When is going to end this?

It's not religion. It's people twisting and perverting it to fit their own selfish desires (money and power).

It should be noted that intolerance and bigotry isn't isolated to those who choose to have faith.

If they really want people to respect their laws, culture and religion then they should afford the same courtesy to the countries to which they migrate. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you!

How on earth can the Pakistani government get someone arrested for "crimes" which happened on servers which aren't even in their own country?

The Teej said,
How on earth can the Pakistani government get someone arrested for "crimes" which happened on servers which aren't even in their own country?

Its Pakistan, they think they can do whatever they hell they want. International law doesnt apply. He probably has a bounty on his head as well.

Still, I have to agree with everyone here, they REALLY need to grow up and stop being whiny little bitches.

Anarkii said,

Its Pakistan, they think they can do whatever they hell they want. International law doesnt apply. He probably has a bounty on his head as well.

Still, I have to agree with everyone here, they REALLY need to grow up and stop being whiny little bitches.

lolz...no they are following america....like america can do whatever they want...like stealing others wealth, raping others sister and mom... anyway i'm not Pakistani.

Faisal Islam said,

lolz...no they are following america....like america can do whatever they want...like stealing others wealth, raping others sister and mom... anyway i'm not Pakistani.


but you still believe in religion bs... so better stfu

Faisal Islam said,

lolz...no they are following america....like america can do whatever they want...like stealing others wealth, raping others sister and mom... anyway i'm not Pakistani.

No, all of those things are illegal here and not condoned at all. Any more stupid things to say?

Edited by Rigby, Jun 20 2010, 11:59am :

Remote Sojourner said,

but you still believe in religion bs... so better stfu

lolz...maybe u don't but at least america does. Another thing is religion is not a BAD thing. At least- u dont do "SEX" with your "MOTHER & SISTER", but why??? Only bcaz of religion.....u got me i think

Faisal Islam said,

lolz...maybe u don't but at least america does. Another thing is religion is not a BAD thing. At least- u dont do "SEX" with your "MOTHER & SISTER", but why??? Only bcaz of religion.....u got me i think

What an insightful, thought-provoking post. I can't imagine why so many people think badly of religion when we have such fine examples of human intelligence as this guy to judge them by.

Faisal Islam said,

lolz...maybe u don't but at least america does. Another thing is religion is not a BAD thing. At least- u dont do "SEX" with your "MOTHER & SISTER", but why??? Only bcaz of religion.....u got me i think

Are you asking why Americans don't have sex with their mothers and sisters?

Minimoose said,
Are you asking why Americans don't have sex with their mothers and sisters?

I bet some of them do.

Skyfrog said,

What an insightful, thought-provoking post. I can't imagine why so many people think badly of religion when we have such fine examples of human intelligence as this guy to judge them by.

+1 got to love em

Faisal Islam said,

lolz...no they are following america....like america can do whatever they want...like stealing others wealth, raping others sister and mom... anyway i'm not Pakistani.

Seriously.

Shut. Up. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Faisal Islam said,

lolz...maybe u don't but at least america does. Another thing is religion is not a BAD thing. At least- u dont do "SEX" with your "MOTHER & SISTER", but why??? Only bcaz of religion.....u got me i think

I am an Atheist, and always have been, and I was raised in an Atheist family. But I have no desire to shag my sister or my mum. Explain that!

Subject Delta said,

I am an Atheist, and always have been, and I was raised in an Atheist family. But I have no desire to shag my sister or my mum. Explain that!

Ah yes a normal Atheist! Same with me though that would just be gross!

+1 for the post!

Subject Delta said,

I am an Atheist, and always have been, and I was raised in an Atheist family. But I have no desire to shag my sister or my mum. Explain that!

Could it be because we have......GASP.....MORALS WITHOUT RELIGION? IMPOSSIBLE.

Famine, world hunger, pollution, global warming.. so many world-wide problems and conflicts............ and then there's the infraction on a contest to draw Muhammad.

What. The. ****.

I'm sure they have a privacy agreement that the content hosted on their site is NOT that of their own, BUT related to the owner UNLESS otherwise stated.

If not, they deserve to be shot for not covering their asses.

Mike Brown said,
Yeah, I don't see this getting anywhere.

Don't be so sure. Those crazy extremists are capable of all kinds of nonsense. However, I don't think anyone is going to extradite Zuckerberg if he's "convicted". And I'm sure Mark is thinking, "Oh no! I can never go to Pakistan again! What a shame."

Idiots.

BilliShere said,

family...not that zuckerburg has any there..
I would be thinking of getting my family out of there if I were you, not the other way around. It seems like a pretty horrible place when you hear about random bombings in the news.

What's worse is suicide bombings. It's as if people don't even care for their lives or their families who have to live with the death.

It's not that it doesn't happen anywhere else, but that the sheer number of such incidents over there is shocking.

Am I ever going to step into that country? Never have. Never will, unless I build an Iron Man suit. LOL

agreenbhm said,

Don't be so sure. Those crazy extremists are capable of all kinds of nonsense. However, I don't think anyone is going to extradite Zuckerberg if he's "convicted". And I'm sure Mark is thinking, "Oh no! I can never go to Pakistan again! What a shame."

Idiots.

The problem is the lunatics will come for him. He won't need to go anywhere. He'll need security for years. I feel really bad for him and his family. Islam and Christianity are poisonous.

It was Santa in the bear suit, not Muhammad. Anyway, yeah, no shock Islamofacists want death to those who offend Islam.

thommcg said,
It was Santa in the bear suit, not Muhammad. Anyway, yeah, no shock Islamofacists want death to those who offend Islam.

Actually, it was Muhammad until they were going to "give Muhammed" to the gingers, then they replaced him with Santa and shoved Muhammed in a locker in an alley.

buletov said,
Religion is the root of all evil.

Shut up with all your crap. You've got bad atheists running around too. It's people, not religion.

[quote=Billus said,]

Shut up with all your crap. You've got bad atheists running around too. It's people, not religion.[/quote

Nope it's organised religion, no atheist has ever started a war because their non-god demands it.

Billus said,

Shut up with all your crap. You've got bad atheists running around too. It's people, not religion.

"Under Pakistan's penal code, "use of derogatory remark etc, in respect of the Holy Prophet"

That's not religion? Sorry but pretty much all of the crazy crap that goes on over there, the wars and the killings, it's all because of religion. I can't believe it's 2010 and countries are still jailing or killing people over ridiculous things like "holy prophets". It's still like the middle ages there.

Billus said,

Shut up with all your crap.


Brilliant! There's no better way to prove buletov's point. Just look how "peaceful" the followers are. It's really fun to see how all those commandments and holy books, that are supposed to make you a better person, just make you arrogant, rude and violent.
Now go and kill some children for not saying "Amen".. or kill some daughters for wearing jeans... or better yet do some genocide err.. "holy war"/"holy crusade"/"jihad".

cerealfreak said,
Nope it's organised religion, no atheist has ever started a war because their non-god demands it.

No religion in the world "demands" it's followers start a war, or kill people. It's the twisted interpretations of the extremist followers of those religions who do that.

TRC said,
"Under Pakistan's penal code, "use of derogatory remark etc, in respect of the Holy Prophet"

That's not religion? Sorry but pretty much all of the crazy crap that goes on over there, the wars and the killings, it's all because of religion. I can't believe it's 2010 and countries are still jailing or killing people over ridiculous things like "holy prophets". It's still like the middle ages there.


The "Holy Prophet" didn't come up with that law you quoted, a person or group of people did. The religions themselves are not coming up with this stuff, the twisted people following them are.

Edited by Ryster, Jun 20 2010, 11:43am :

TCLN Ryster said,

religions themselves are not coming up with this stuff, the twisted people following them are.

What's the difference? Religions were all made up by people in the first place; they are what people make them. The point is that this violence and hatred is occurring because of religion.

TCLN Ryster said,

No religion in the world "demands" it's followers start a war, or kill people. It's the twisted interpretations of the extremist followers of those religions who do that.

Apart from the ones that tell you to kill people and start wars.

Billus said,

Shut up with all your crap. You've got bad atheists running around too. It's people, not religion.

Yet, more people have died in religious wars than any other war in the world...

Billus said,

Shut up with all your crap. You've got bad atheists running around too. It's people, not religion.

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

buletov said,
Religion is the root of all evil.

if dere was no religion...u would do SEX with MOTHER and your father would do SEX with your SISTER.

Faisal Islam said,

if dere was no religion...u would do SEX with MOTHER and your father would do SEX with your SISTER.

Just because you want to do these things doesn't mean that everyone does. I understand why you'd want to. Your female relatives are the only women that you've actually seen since when they go out they have to cover everything up to hide their shame of being a woman. [read: sarcasm]

Foub said,

Just because you want to do these things doesn't mean that everyone does. I understand why you'd want to. Your female relatives are the only women that you've actually seen since when they go out they have to cover everything up to hide their shame of being a woman. [read: sarcasm]

P.S.

Rape is the not big problem here, in the West, as it is in most Islamic nations. It goes vastly unreported in Islamic nations because the victim is usually blamed for getting herself raped and under Shar'a law a woman's word is only worth half as much as a man's. Plus, if a woman gets pregnant from the rape she can be executed for adultery as well.

Faisal Islam said,

if dere was no religion...u would do SEX with MOTHER and your father would do SEX with your SISTER.

lolwut
I think the biological implications of this would make it a social taboo, since any children coming of such a thing would be deformed
If only murdering ones daughter for not listening to her parents were the same...

Faisal Islam said,

if dere was no religion...u would do SEX with MOTHER and your father would do SEX with your SISTER.

Uh yeah, that's a huge problem with atheists. They are all having incest, right? Oh wait, no.

Just when I think you can't say something even more stupid you go and surprise me.

cerealfreak said,

Nope it's organised religion, no atheist has ever started a war because their non-god demands it.
Remember World War II?

Amodin said,

Yet, more people have died in religious wars than any other war in the world...

You are flat out wrong. There are several studies that show atheists government's have killed way more than religious backed efforts. Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot alone are responsible about 40 million in the 20th century alone.

Perhaps if you have a better schooling you could remember your history a tad better. Or if you used Google for 5 seconds you would find any number of links like this one…

http://www.newscholars.com/papers/Killing,%20Christianity,%20and%20Atheism.pdf

Simon said,
Remember World War II?

Better try again. Hitler was not an atheist, and in his book he wrote "I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work."

rrode74 said,

You are flat out wrong. There are several studies that show atheists government's have killed way more than religious backed efforts. Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot alone are responsible about 40 million in the 20th century alone.

Perhaps if you have a better schooling you could remember your history a tad better. Or if you used Google for 5 seconds you would find any number of links like this one…

http://www.newscholars.com/papers/Killing,%20Christianity,%20and%20Atheism.pdf


Do you even know why Hitler did all the things he did?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
There is a whole ****ing article on his religious views. It all started with religion.

rrode74 said,

You are flat out wrong. There are several studies that show atheists government's have killed way more than religious backed efforts. Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot alone are responsible about 40 million in the 20th century alone.

Perhaps if you have a better schooling you could remember your history a tad better. Or if you used Google for 5 seconds you would find any number of links like this one…

http://www.newscholars.com/papers/Killing,%20Christianity,%20and%20Atheism.pdf

Hitler was a devout Catholic (I have proof of this), Stalin had been in training to be a priest, and Eastern Religions tend to be non-theistic.

Foub said,

Hitler was a devout Catholic (I have proof of this), Stalin had been in training to be a priest, and Eastern Religions tend to be non-theistic.

Plus, Atheism is not a cohesive belief system. The only thing common is a belief that there is no god.

TRC said,

Better try again. Hitler was not an atheist, and in his book he wrote "I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work."

"The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. [original italics]

For God's will gave men their form, their essence, and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will. Therefore, let every man be active, each in his own denomination if you please, and let every man take it as his first and most sacred duty to oppose anyone who in his activity by word or deed steps outside the confines of his religious community and tries to butt into the other.
[...]
Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord. [original italics]"
-- Adolf Hitler, from "Mein Kampf",
translation by Ralph Mannheim.

Billus said,

Shut up with all your crap. You've got bad atheists running around too. It's people, not religion.

Exactly!

it's clearly people. i would assume most religion is good at the core of it but people twist it to fit there corrupt mindsets etc.

Hitler was a devout Catholic (I have proof of this)

i am a Catholic myself (but to be honest i have not been to Church on a regular basis in over 10-12 years now). but even if he was a Catholic he CLEARLY is no longer with the religion solely based on his actions.

because while you got corrupt people and i am sure there is corrupt people in pretty much any religion, the religion at the core is good.

and look at it this way... even if there was ZERO religion out there you can bet people would continue killing each other for some reason or another.

---------------------------

but as far as the topic... it sounds pretty extreme regardless of law to have him potentially KILLED for some petty stuff like this. (no offense against their religion but to have someone killed for this is a little extreme)

because common sense in a CIVILIZED society is that killing someone for basically WORDS is pretty extreme.

ThaCrip said,

Exactly!

it's clearly people. i would assume most religion is good at the core of it but people twist it to fit there corrupt mindsets etc.

You know what they say about making assumptions?

i am a Catholic myself (but to be honest i have not been to Church on a regular basis in over 10-12 years now). but even if he was a Catholic he CLEARLY is no longer with the religion solely based on his actions.

Read the passage from his book I posted above. Remember, he didn't invent the hatred of the Jews it was well in place beforehand.

because while you got corrupt people and i am sure there is corrupt people in pretty much any religion, the religion at the core is good.

and look at it this way... even if there was ZERO religion out there you can bet people would continue killing each other for some reason or another.

Again;

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

Billus said,

Shut up with all your crap. You've got bad atheists running around too. It's people, not religion.

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Billus said,

Shut up with all your crap. You've got bad atheists running around too. It's people, not religion.

NO you shut up with your crap, holy rolling hypochristianity! Religion is MAN-MADE! It's a word assigned to false hope and beliefs that don't exist! Wake up people! Spiritual beliefs are fine but religion isn't something "GOD" or "JESUS" thought of or even believed in.

Billus said,

Shut up with all your crap. You've got bad atheists running around too. It's people, not religion.


I agree. Humans are to blame. No matter whether or not you follow a religion, people always find petty differences to argue over. While it is true that religion has been causing a lot of clashes between people in history and even now, it is just an outlet...ONE of the things that people fight over..or fight because of. Neither theism nor atheism is a foolproof solution. As soon as people start teaming together under a common belief (in case of atheists it would be that religion is blah blah) you get this powerful and destructive mob mentality that screws up everything. Rationality to me is the best solution...but again the problem is that there will always be irrational people.
In general I believe South Park put it best:
"We've learned to get rid of all the isms in our time. Yes. Long ago we realized isms are great for those who are rational, but in the hands of irrational people, isms always lead to violence. So long, Eric. And tell everyone in the past for us, that no one single answer is ever the answer." -Shvek from South Park

Faisal Islam said,

if dere was no religion...u would do SEX with MOTHER and your father would do SEX with your SISTER.


that's what they teach at the Madrasah? tool.

Bengal34 said,

and we see intolerance and bigotry isn't confined to it...


intolerance? i for one, wont tolerate a woman being stoned to death because she was raped? will you? super tolerant man?

ThaCrip said,

Exactly!

it's clearly people. i would assume most religion is good at the core of it but people twist it to fit there corrupt mindsets etc.

you made me LOL real hard.
the bible is the guideline for one of the most popular religions in the world, agree?

Except for murder, slavery has got to be one of the most immoral things a person can do. Yet slavery is rampant throughout the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments. The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have sex with the female slaves.

Many Jews and Christians will try to ignore the moral problems of slavery by saying that these slaves were actually servants or indentured servants. Many translations of the Bible use the word "servant", "bondservant", or "manservant" instead of "slave" to make the Bible seem less immoral than it really is. While many slaves may have worked as household servants, that doesn't mean that they were not slaves who were bought, sold, and treated worse than livestock.

The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)


The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

chago12 said,

intolerance? i for one, wont tolerate a woman being stoned to death because she was raped? will you? super tolerant man?

Wow... I defend religion (any religion) and you assume I stone women? Sounds like you have some issues.

To answer your question, no. It is in no way shape or form religious to stone a woman for being raped. People do insane an inhuman acts regaurdless of how they align themselves.

alfaaqua said,

Do you even know why Hitler did all the things he did?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views
There is a whole ****ing article on his religious views. It all started with religion.

Did you even READ the link you have there?????????? Quote from it in the religious section...

"Hitler had a general plan, even before the rise of the Nazis to power, to destroy Christianity within the Reich. The leader of the Hitler Youth stated "the destruction of Christianity was explicitly recognized as a purpose of the National Socialist movement" from the start, but "considerations of expedience made it impossible" publicly to express this extreme position. His intention was to wait until the war was over to destroy the influence of Christianity."

Hitler was Chatholic, but he did not practice. The link goes on and on about how he thought Christaianity was for the weak.

May I a suggest http://www.rig.org it may help you down the road.

chago12 said,

you made me LOL real hard.
the bible is the guideline for one of the most popular religions in the world, agree?

Except for murder, slavery has got to be one of the most immoral things a person can do. Yet slavery is rampant throughout the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments. The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have sex with the female slaves.

Many Jews and Christians will try to ignore the moral problems of slavery by saying that these slaves were actually servants or indentured servants. Many translations of the Bible use the word "servant", "bondservant", or "manservant" instead of "slave" to make the Bible seem less immoral than it really is. While many slaves may have worked as household servants, that doesn't mean that they were not slaves who were bought, sold, and treated worse than livestock.

The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)


The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

Do you have any quotes from the New Testament? You know after Jesus came? The old testamant is ancient history compared to the new. I am discounting it, its value, or its mistakes that you have presented, but I would say that Christians believe in Jesus Christ, as their savior and as the son of God, and his words and preaching trump any that come before as his are newest. Can you find any words spoken by Jesus about murder and slavery?

Foub said,

Hitler was a devout Catholic (I have proof of this), Stalin had been in training to be a priest, and Eastern Religions tend to be non-theistic.

What is the point of Stalin training to be a priest? Did Stalin become a Priest? Did Stalin practice religion when he was in power? Did Stalin murder 20 million of his own countrymen in name of God or Christanity?

Foub said,

"The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. [original italics]

For God's will gave men their form, their essence, and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will. Therefore, let every man be active, each in his own denomination if you please, and let every man take it as his first and most sacred duty to oppose anyone who in his activity by word or deed steps outside the confines of his religious community and tries to butt into the other.
[...]
Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord. [original italics]"
-- Adolf Hitler, from "Mein Kampf",
translation by Ralph Mannheim.

Hitler was not religious, he was not devote you are full of it. He used religion to get to some people, when he knew it would help him, but his cause was religious at ALL.

This link goes into great depth about his religion.

http://www.adherents.com/people/ph/Adolf_Hitler.html

buletov said,
Religion is the root of all evil.

This! The blind followers are the most intolerant, hateful people I've ever had the disfortune to meet.

Sethalos said,

This! The blind followers are the most intolerant, hateful people I've ever had the disfortune to meet.

Pot meet kettle.

rrode74 said,

Did you even READ the link you have there?????????? Quote from it in the religious section...

"Hitler had a general plan, even before the rise of the Nazis to power, to destroy Christianity within the Reich. The leader of the Hitler Youth stated "the destruction of Christianity was explicitly recognized as a purpose of the National Socialist movement" from the start, but "considerations of expedience made it impossible" publicly to express this extreme position. His intention was to wait until the war was over to destroy the influence of Christianity."

Hitler was Chatholic, but he did not practice. The link goes on and on about how he thought Christaianity was for the weak.

May I a suggest http://www.rig.org it may help you down the road.

That is just Christian apologists trying to distance themselves from what Hitler did.


The Führer made it known to those entrusted with the Final Solution that the killings should be done as humanely as possible. This was in line with his conviction that he was observing God's injunction to cleanse the world of vermin. Still a member in good standing of the Church of Rome despite detestation of its hierarchy ("I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so" [quoting Hitler]), he carried within him its teaching that the Jew was the killer of God. The extermination, therefore, could be done without a twinge of conscience since he was merely acting as the avenging hand of God -- so long as it was done impersonally, without cruelty.

-- John Toland (Pulitzer Prize winner),
from "Adolf Hitler", pp 507, talking about the Autumn of 1941.

The "I am now as before a Catholic..." quotation from Hitler was recorded in the diary of Gerhard Engel, an SS Adjutant, in October 1941. Hitler was speaking in private, not before a mass audience, and so it is difficult to dismiss the comment as propaganda lies.

rrode74 said,

Do you have any quotes from the New Testament? You know after Jesus came? The old testamant is ancient history compared to the new. I am discounting it, its value, or its mistakes that you have presented, but I would say that Christians believe in Jesus Christ, as their savior and as the son of God, and his words and preaching trump any that come before as his are newest. Can you find any words spoken by Jesus about murder and slavery?

Actually. Christ was suppose to have said that he was to fulfill the word, not replace it. So the Old testament was still valid to Christianity. Remember, the 10 commandments are also in the old testament.

rrode74 said,

What is the point of Stalin training to be a priest? Did Stalin become a Priest? Did Stalin practice religion when he was in power? Did Stalin murder 20 million of his own countrymen in name of God or Christanity?

It shows the major influences in his life. His interests were power and control.

Billus said,

Shut up with all your crap. You've got bad atheists running around too. It's people, not religion.

Sethalos said,

This! The blind followers are the most intolerant, hateful people I've ever had the disfortune to meet.


+1 to you both (if i really could).

These two posts summarize it all. It's always the people using their twisted logic for or against religion or atheism or whatever else there is.

Foub said,

It shows the major influences in his life. His interests were power and control.

Thanks for not answering the question, that an average 13 year old could do. I guess anything that goes against you opinion is an apologist? Please provide the same level of proof I have and I might consider your atheist view.

I am not trying to prove the Christian way I am just trying to provide FACTS. Hitler may have been a Chatholic, but there is overwhelming evidence that shortly before and during his reign of power he hated the church and wanted to get rid of it as soon as he could. He used it when possible in a twisted way to gain influence but he never like a radical muslim did what he did in the name or Christ, Alah or whomever. His true religion was Nazism. Stalin and the whole communist way is against religion, much the way you are.

I must say, I find it rather humorous that we have athiests claiming religion is "the root of all evil." What exactly is evil without a standard of good to compare it to? By its very nature, evil is a corruption of a moral standard - what we call "good". Without a universal moral framework with which we can measure good and, consequently, evil, everything is relative, and evil becomes a meaningless word.

This is a fantastic case in point - the Islamic culture holds that Zuckerberg did something evil by spreading "blasphemous" literature of Mohammed. Their standard of evil has served them for 1500 years. What gives us the right to say that their standard of evil is somehow "wrong"? By saying their standard of right and wrong is itself wrong, we're making a moral judgment based on... what? Ours? What makes ours better? After all, Islam is far from shrinking - it's growing. That would indicate to me that, using Dawkin's (and other athiests) own method of reasoning to determine morality, their standard of morality may eventually become the default measurement, if it becomes what the majority of people in the world believe, in which case, Zuckerberg did indeed commit a crime, and should die for his actions. Not only that, but everyone here (who is still alive), if they truly subscribe to the utilitarianistic view of morality, will change their views and condemn Zuckerberg.

If you're going to subscribe to the athiestic worldview, that's fine, but in doing so, it gives you no basis for judging other cultures' morality - unless you can prove that you indeed have a universal moral framework with which you can make those judgments.

Foub said,

Just because you want to do these things doesn't mean that everyone does. I understand why you'd want to. Your female relatives are the only women that you've actually seen since when they go out they have to cover everything up to hide their shame of being a woman. [read: sarcasm]

lolz...i don wanna attack u. U don't knw anything about Islam & Woman...u just talk too much idiot. Read it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Islam

LiquidSolstice said,

So says the guy who has no idea how to type, and chooses to counter arguments by quoting from Wikipedia.

Go home, kid. Your parents must be anxiously looking for you.

See, u guys don't know anything about prophet Mohammmad. when anyone hurted him he (prophet Mohammad) just pray for him (that person) to God. He neved told any hate speech in his life, never slanged anyone. he's lifestyle and everything was all about peace. But we the MUSLIM doesn't follow him correctly. We the MUSLIM doesn't listen to GOD. It's our problem, not him. I ADMIT. So don't hurt us.

TCLN Ryster said,

No religion in the world "demands" it's followers start a war, or kill people. It's the twisted interpretations of the extremist followers of those religions who do that.

I guess you haven't read The Bible or Koran then. Here is a quote from Koran which demands to kill disbelievers.:

"2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. "

There are many quotes like that in these "holly" books. God and his followers killed millions in these "holly" books, including mothers and children (even unborn). They think that Mark Zuckerberg "attacked" them so they are trying to "reward" him just as their "holly" book demands. If I believed in something else than Flying Spaghetti Monster (I was blessed by His holy noodelness) then I would be thinking that Satan himself wrote Bible and Koran.

buletov said,
Religion is the root of all evil.

It's certainly the root of a good portion of it. Religion was once useful for maintaining order, but like labor unions, it has far outlived its usefulness and is now a detriment to society.

Billus said,

Shut up with all your crap. You've got bad atheists running around too. It's people, not religion.

No, it is pretty much the most religious of people within all religions that is making this world suck ass for everyone.

Billus said,

Shut up with all your crap. You've got bad atheists running around too. It's people, not religion.

These are not mutually exclusive. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god or gods. There are all kinds of atheistic creeds, religions, etc. out there. The point this poster was making is that it's the kind of groupthink and shared idea that one person or group holds the ultimate truth that gets us into this kind of trouble. Whether it's in the name of a deity, tribe, nation, political party, etc. we all lose when people aren't willing to concede that their view isn't the only valid one.

Faisal Islam said,

See, u guys don't know anything about prophet Mohammmad. when anyone hurted him he (prophet Mohammad) just pray for him (that person) to God. He neved told any hate speech in his life, never slanged anyone. he's lifestyle and everything was all about peace. But we the MUSLIM doesn't follow him correctly. We the MUSLIM doesn't listen to GOD. It's our problem, not him. I ADMIT. So don't hurt us.

See, you don't know anything about atheism. Atheism is also a life of peace. WE the ATHEIST don't need a book or a god figure to tell us hwo to live, because we know inherently what is right and wrong. If your god hadn't told you that forcing sex onto an unwilling woman, would you go and rape women because your religion did not say it was bad?

No, you wouldn't. Because you're not as weak as you think you are without any sort of spiritual figure.

cerealfreak said,
Nope it's organised religion, no atheist has ever started a war because their non-god demands it.

IMHP, it's mostly not religion by itself but fanaticism.. believe or don't believe in whatever God you want or not.. but never disable your common sense.. don't follow the 1000 year-old crap if you don't think about it..

Faisal Islam said,

if dere was no religion...u would do SEX with MOTHER and your father would do SEX with your SISTER.

And with religion you only marry 11 year old girls, to 50 y/o old men. Yep, that's good.

Also, there is no sane person would do what you just said, even non-religious people know right from wrong, yeah, shocking right?

If you need a book written 1500 years ago to tell you what to do, and you can't think properly for yourself, you are wasting the oxygen in this planet. I suggest that you remove yourself, and move to another planet.

Thank you.

rrode74 said,

Hitler was not religious, he was not devote you are full of it. He used religion to get to some people, when he knew it would help him, but his cause was religious at ALL....
http://www.adherents.com/people/ph/Adolf_Hitler.html

Adolf Hitler was Christian and there is enough evidences to claim that Joseph Stalin was Orthodox Christian. You are forgetting that all killing and revolutions were done by believers because at that time amount of non-believers were nearly 0. Now believers trying to separate dictators from religion, but they are forgetting that God killed people himself or directly ordered to kill in cruelest ways by the thousands (including innocent and unborn - so much for pro-life, huh) and God promised to kill and torture in the future. How far God is from Hitler? How Hell is different from Auschwitz concentration camps? This link goes deeper and provides all sources: http://www.jocys.com/dictators/