Microsoft: 1.5 million Windows Phone 7 devices sold

Microsoft announced today that they have sold over 1.5 million Windows Phone 7 through its various partners. The software giant had since avoided the question, but finally made their sales numbers available today.

Achim Berg, Microsoft Vice President for mobile communications business and marketing group said that the sales figures were for the first six weeks of sales. Berg believes that Windows Phone 7 has been a success for the company, and that overall customer satisfaction is very high.

"Sales are ramping well as our reputation is growing for offering users a unique experience and are in line with our expectations - especially when compared to other new platform introductions. With a new platform you have to look at a couple of things, first of all customer satisfaction. As I mentioned before, we've seen great response on the complete mobile phone experience."

With over 1.5 million units sold, according to Microsoft, these early sales figures meet the companies expectations for a new smartphone in an already crowded market. Berg believes that Windows Phone 7 is already off to a great start and customers just need to experience the device before they will fall in love.

Berg also mentioned that Microsoft is working on an update for the device, which is rumored to be landing in early 2011.

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I'm a big fan of having choices, I have both an iphone 4 and a samsung focus, I'm also happy to have Android in the market as well.

Competition is good for all of us.

I'm not sure how carriers handle their inventory, some don't own the phones untill the actual sale to the customer.

Regardless, it's too early i'n the cycle for WP7 to have any real success, it's amazing how some people become religious about teir platform of choice and will assault any positive news about something other than iOS or Android.

Dont know why you folks are arguing? The big competitor is still the feature phone. It is the 800 lbs gorilla. The real question in my mind is which smart phone platform is postured to best eat into that market.

1) If history has anything to say Apple will not come off its pricing. It traditionally has offered a stellar product at the top of the market price. Only older discounted iOS phones will eat into the feature phone market if history holds.

2) Andriod has a real chance int he way it licenses its OS to OEM and allows them to "craft" a phone to fit a market. However we are already seeing some fracture between OEMs and various Andriod OS versions. For example one OEM phone may run Andriod better than another and patching has been a bit problematic. But that may not be so bad inthe "Feature Phone" marketplace.

3) WP7 is somewhat a blend of iOS and Andriod. It provides a consistent look, feel and experience across all hardware and traditionally MS has been the king of commoiditizing its offerings.

Who cares if MS sold 1.5 mil units in 6 weeks to OEMs or consumers. A better question is long term. Guaranteed All 3 of these players are here to stay and you cannot count RIM out!

Not sure what the draw is too WP7....The big oversized buttons look like its been aimed at the Old and Clueless segment of the market.

They would have sold twice as that if the phone was available on more carriers, only reason me and few of my friends have not got one yet is because none of us wants to go with either ATT or TMobile, I can't wait for a WP7 to arrive on Sprint.

Got my HTC HD7 about a month ago, and I love it. Funny that one of my co-worker who are Apple fan always talks down on my WP7 phone, but always borrow and check the phone all the time.

Its quite astounding how many of have nothing better to do than bitch about an article title. Calm the **** down and appreciate the fact that Microsoft has legitimately gotten its foot into the door of the smartphone market and its only going to get better for them.

As a happy samsung Focus owner, it's extremely entertaining to create 'device lust' in all my friends, family and co-workers.

Everyone I show the phone to says the same thing when I'm done, I want.

Most of them will be waiting for the new year, or when their current subsidized device to be up for renewal.
Demand is definitely here.

I think that Win Phone 7 will end up with the part of the market below Android and iPhone, where people have moved up from a dumb phone but don't want the perceived complexity of Android or to take part in the Apple ecosystem with the iPhone. I expect the Win Phone 7 interface will appeal to a particular group of people, generally not the techies who read neowin.

LOL at the title. What is usually expressed as "units shipped" vs "units sold", this one is written "Units sold through partners", when it's clearly units shipped, regardless of who does the shipping (the phone manufacturers, since microsoft doesnt actually do the selling).

Kinect is selling better than PS move even though PS move has shipped gazillions.

I can't wait for my iPhone contract to expire so that I can upgrade to a WP7 device, hopefully one with higher color support though.

Also to consider, with regard to the USA...

WP7 is only available on a couple of carriers, and this includes ATT where iPhone is very dominate.

Alternative smartphone sales like Android tend to come more from Verizon (the biggest) and a lot of smaller carriers where WP7 isn't currently available.

As WP7 adds CDMA/etc and becomes available on Verizon and the smaller carriers, it will be a good test and opportunity for the WP7 to push even better numbers, as the non ATT markets are either not loyal to the iPhone or hate ATT and customers are wanting comperable smartphone devices.

So for mainly going up against the iPhone on their home turf, these numbers are far better than even the biggest WP7 zealot would have expected, even if the numbers are just licenses, as the carriers and MFRs have confidence in WP7.

Outside of my professional life, I know at least 25 friends and family that are specifically waiting for WP7 to be available on their carrier, which surprised me that it was this well known by non-technical people.

I'd them to publish some estimates though on how many have made their way in to the hands of consumers, could be 0%, could be 100% for all we know.

thealexweb said,
I'd them to publish some estimates though on how many have made their way in to the hands of consumers, could be 0%, could be 100% for all we know.

If MS had actually sold 1.5 million to customers, you can bet it would be trumpeting that rather than the same old, tired, pseudo sales numbers as in this case.

After Winphone 7 dominates, it will be time to start ramping up the "marketshare doesn't matter" arguments. So enjoy it for now, knuckleheads. Apples greatest allies are the fanboys who continue to throw $ at marble staircases, and Androids greatest allies are people that hate Apple lack of choice. I'll take the rest of the world thanks.
JF

Lets rewrite this so Andrew Lyle can understand better;
Manufacturers sold over 1.5 million creating a retail presence that helps build customer momentum.

designgears said,
Lets rewrite this so Andrew Lyle can understand better;
Manufacturers sold over 1.5 million creating a retail presence that helps build customer momentum.

This is still a solid start regardless of how you want to word it. For a new 1.0 product it's doing well, add to that the quick growth of the marketplace and CDMA support in January and you have a good foot in the door.

designgears said,
Lets rewrite this so Andrew Lyle can understand better;
Manufacturers sold over 1.5 million creating a retail presence that helps build customer momentum.

I assume you read the title and cared to comment. Sometimes... scratch that, a lot of the time, we can't fit a paragraph into the title explaining things. I clearly outlined it was through various partners, and wasn't attempting to "jack up" the numbers in anyway.

Sometimes you gotta read between the lines.

Thanks.

Andrew Lyle said,

I assume you read the title and cared to comment. Sometimes... scratch that, a lot of the time, we can't fit a paragraph into the title explaining things. I clearly outlined it was through various partners, and wasn't attempting to "jack up" the numbers in anyway.

Sometimes you gotta read between the lines.

Thanks.

And sometimes you have to mislead people with titles like yours, read the article, you must wrote the title before you finished reading the press release and forgot to go back and change it.

Sometimes you should mislead people to get google rankings.

Oh wait, you shouldn't do that.

designgears said,

And sometimes you have to mislead people with titles like yours, read the article, you must wrote the title before you finished reading the press release and forgot to go back and change it.

Sometimes you should mislead people to get google rankings.

Oh wait, you shouldn't do that.


Do you just go around reading the title and not the article?

Andrew Lyle said,

I assume you read the title and cared to comment. Sometimes... scratch that, a lot of the time, we can't fit a paragraph into the title explaining things. I clearly outlined it was through various partners, and wasn't attempting to "jack up" the numbers in anyway.

Sometimes you gotta read between the lines.

Thanks.

You mean that a lot of times you can't come up with simple, self-explanatory titles like
"Microsoft: 1.5 million Windows Phone 7 devices shipped"
or
"Microsoft: 1.5 million Windows Phone 7 devices shipped to manufacturers"
or
"1.5 million Windows Phone 7 phones delivered by manufacturers"
or
"Windows Phone 7 ships 1.5M units in first six weeks" (http://venturebeat.com/2010/12...ndows-phone-7-1-5m-shipped/)
or
"Microsoft: over 1.5 million Windows Phone 7 devices sold to carriers and retailers" (http://www.engadget.com/2010/1...one-7-devices-sold-to-carr/)

Edited by Julius Caro, Dec 21 2010, 9:17pm :

1. Sales to carriers/retailers. This is akin to the Windows licence numbers Microsoft loves to throw around. It does not represent actual customer sales numbers. Microsoft could sell ten million phones or Windows licences to retailers, even though no one has actually bought one off the shelves.

2. A quote from engadget: "1.5 million units is a tiny, tiny number when you consider the platform launched on 10 devices on over 60 carriers in over 30 countries". I think this statement sums up the underwhelming reception from retailers, nevermind actual customers...

3. Microsoft is the king of F.U.D and dissimulation, so we are all naturally incredulous of its claims.

Flawed said,
1. Sales to carriers/retailers. This is akin to the Windows licence numbers Microsoft loves to throw around. It does not represent actual customer sales numbers. Microsoft could sell ten million phones or Windows licences to retailers, even though no one has actually bought one off the shelves.

2. A quote from engadget: "1.5 million units is a tiny, tiny number when you consider the platform launched on 10 devices on over 60 carriers in over 30 countries". I think this statement sums up the underwhelming reception from retailers, nevermind actual customers...

3. Microsoft is the king of F.U.D and dissimulation, so we are all naturally incredulous of its claims.

1) MS gets it's money from those license sales, not the device sales like it does with the Xbox, so your argument is pointless since a OEM sale is a sale for MS in the end even if it ends up on a shelf or not.

2) This type of reply is exactly what MS was expecting from you and all the other haters out there, that number could've been 3 million and you'd still say the same damn thing. So predictible.

Hell, I knew you'd chime in here with this type of argument, for lack of a better word, give it a rest though, 1.5m OEM sales or licensing sales is still money to MS regardless of how you want to look at it.

Flawed said,
1. Sales to carriers/retailers. This is akin to the Windows licence numbers Microsoft loves to throw around. It does not represent actual customer sales numbers. Microsoft could sell ten million phones or Windows licences to retailers, even though no one has actually bought one off the shelves.

2. A quote from engadget: "1.5 million units is a tiny, tiny number when you consider the platform launched on 10 devices on over 60 carriers in over 30 countries". I think this statement sums up the underwhelming reception from retailers, nevermind actual customers...

3. Microsoft is the king of F.U.D and dissimulation, so we are all naturally incredulous of its claims.

Please name the 10 devices.

GP007 said,

Hell, I knew you'd chime in here with this type of argument, for lack of a better word, give it a rest though, 1.5m OEM sales or licensing sales is still money to MS regardless of how you want to look at it.

Take this man's advice. Nothing more disgusting than a troll with no self control.

efjay said,

Please name the 10 devices.

Dell Venue Pro
HTC 7 Pro
HTC 7 Surround
HTC 7 Trophy
HTC 7 Mozart
HTC HD
7LG Optimus 7
LG Quantum
Samsung Focus
Samsung Omnia 7

Flawed said,
2. A quote from engadget: "1.5 million units is a tiny, tiny number when you consider the platform launched on 10 devices on over 60 carriers in over 30 countries". I think this statement sums up the underwhelming reception from retailers, nevermind actual customers...

Please name the 30+ countries and their population and number of cellphone users, and compare those numbers with china's.
The world is a little bigger than you thought actually.

-=SEDIN=- said,
i was one of the 1.5 million . still loving my HD7

Same here! The only thing I don't like about it is its low speaker volume. Sopmetimes I don't hear it ring!

From the article (NOT Engadget):
"We are pleased that phone manufacturers sold over 1.5 million phones in the first six weeks, which helps build customer momentum and retail presence."


ahhell said,
From the article (NOT Engadget):
"We are pleased that phone manufacturers sold over 1.5 million phones in the first six weeks, which helps build customer momentum and retail presence."

Windows 7 was also mostly licensed to OEMs not sold to consumers. Does that make that number less valid?

day2die said,

Windows 7 was also mostly licensed to OEMs not sold to consumers. Does that make that number less valid?

Yes because if those devices don't get sold, Microsoft may have to buy them back.

Something ALL cell phone users should be aware of. If your HOME is located in an area that is not on the coverage map for them, they won't hold you to the contract. I get a new phone every six months, and I NEVER pay the full price because of that fact. Use it to your advantage. There all a bunch of scumbags anyway.
I LOVE the Windows phone aside from a few annoyances that I hope will be fixed. (no direct outlook sync, no direct document sync, no pandora, skype, etc. etc.)

jimmyfal said,
Something ALL cell phone users should be aware of. If your HOME is located in an area that is not on the coverage map for them, they won't hold you to the contract. I get a new phone every six months, and I NEVER pay the full price because of that fact. Use it to your advantage. There all a bunch of scumbags anyway.
I LOVE the Windows phone aside from a few annoyances that I hope will be fixed. (no direct outlook sync, no direct document sync, no pandora, skype, etc. etc.)

Thanks for the info. I'm located where they have no 3G coverage, even though I pay for a data plan. Would I be eligible as well?

Went to an at&t store last night and played with the Samsung Focus. It's a beautiful phone and the OS was awesome. Can't wait for my contract to be up. Tired of iOS on my 3g.

medium_pimpin said,
Went to an at&t store last night and played with the Samsung Focus. It's a beautiful phone and the OS was awesome. Can't wait for my contract to be up. Tired of iOS on my 3g.
Why do you have to wait? If you are with ATT, just buy the phone cash. Stop using the carrier upgatde because it will always keep you under contract. teh Focus is only $499...without contract. Can't you swing that?

I'm loving mine, just needs a task application and unfortunately that means a 3rd party sync for Outlook and an app to sync with that 3rd party. Why can't MS just implement tasks in to Hotmail and be done with it?

I like my windows 7 phone, it works well I just want to see a few new things, like some more browsers like opera, angry birds/other good games, a better youtube video player, a better youtube app but they should hopefully arrive with flash and silverlight.

Also I'm not a fan of the marketplace on the zune for the pc and the phone, there are no stats. Also what about top downloaded today or this week/month it's just top downloaded and it makes it hard to find apps. Simplicity is good but it shouldn't be cutting out useful features.

I really wish them all the best with this OS, to me it's like one of those things you see and go, yeah i'll get that a little different and has huge potential, unfortunately they often turn out to be great bits of kit that get ignored later on by developers.

Therefore I feel they have to keep momentum on this device otherwise it's gonna fall behind, I personally got an Android device as like the flexibility of the phone, but these MS OS's have a lot going for them!

I don't think anyone has tried to look at how "mobile" the mobile OS consumer population is, or to put it differently, if you already own a smartphone, how easy is it to switch to a new device/OS? I suspect that it isn't so easy to just drop one platform and pick up another, especially with carriers that try to lock consumers into one device for extended plans.

The reason that I bring this up is that people seem to expect Microsoft to be selling hundreds of thousands of devices daily, and they're ignoring two very important details: most people who can and will buy a smartphone have done so already, and typical smartphone buyers are hooked on contracts. If swapping out a device incurs some sort of penalty, I expect that the majority of users won't make the switch, even if they're tempted to do so, and so adoption rates should be fairly slow, but steady.

The only hard thing about switching platforms is that you will lose the apps you bought, email, contacts and the like all sync across the platforms...its not to hard to do. I recently went from BB to Android and soon to iOS...

Relativity_17 said,
I don't think anyone has tried to look at how "mobile" the mobile OS consumer population is, or to put it differently, if you already own a smartphone, how easy is it to switch to a new device/OS? I suspect that it isn't so easy to just drop one platform and pick up another, especially with carriers that try to lock consumers into one device for extended plans.

The reason that I bring this up is that people seem to expect Microsoft to be selling hundreds of thousands of devices daily, and they're ignoring two very important details: most people who can and will buy a smartphone have done so already, and typical smartphone buyers are hooked on contracts. If swapping out a device incurs some sort of penalty, I expect that the majority of users won't make the switch, even if they're tempted to do so, and so adoption rates should be fairly slow, but steady.


As true as that is contracts come and go like breezes in the wind, Microsoft has a great start in the market, a strong one and hopefully by 2011 any new updates will just only give it a boost, because 1.0 is still lacking many features and the app store does not pack a plenty, but time is on its side for Ms to grow and expand on the market. But ms restrictions are great and they have more personizaltion unlike ios which cant get more personal than a wallpaper and what icons go where, andriod is a fun fragmented fuzzing disaster.

bdsams said,
The only hard thing about switching platforms is that you will lose the apps you bought, email, contacts and the like all sync across the platforms...its not to hard to do. I recently went from BB to Android and soon to iOS...

The apps are the ball-and-chain of the platforms, for sure. iOS has me locked. I'm sure I can find all the apps on Android and even WP7, but it will cost me. Definitely makes the decision to try another platform out harder.

jandler said,
It is all about locking their users. That's how you are successful.

gives you more control over the content, so i guess it is. Just like why some people enjoy using the Xbox more then PC games cause you know that the games will actually perform well on your console but you can never be to sure about your PC

bdsams said,
The only hard thing about switching platforms is that you will lose the apps you bought, email, contacts and the like all sync across the platforms...its not to hard to do. I recently went from BB to Android and soon to iOS...

Once you've paid considerable money on apps, you're basically locked in. That's one of the reasons few switch from iOS to other devices.

Relativity_17 said,
I don't think anyone has tried to look at how "mobile" the mobile OS consumer population is, or to put it differently, if you already own a smartphone, how easy is it to switch to a new device/OS? I suspect that it isn't so easy to just drop one platform and pick up another, especially with carriers that try to lock consumers into one device for extended plans.

The reason that I bring this up is that people seem to expect Microsoft to be selling hundreds of thousands of devices daily, and they're ignoring two very important details: most people who can and will buy a smartphone have done so already, and typical smartphone buyers are hooked on contracts. If swapping out a device incurs some sort of penalty, I expect that the majority of users won't make the switch, even if they're tempted to do so, and so adoption rates should be fairly slow, but steady.

Exactly. And Microsoft has stated that they are in for the long term (As they were with the XBox), so though they will gain traction, they aren't expecting to take over the market in the first generation (And honestly, neither should anyone else). Those that purchase WP7 will find it easier to upgrade to WP8 and so the growth should continue steadily as they add new users as well. It's a long term plan. With that said, I'm sure it's going to do quite well in this generation as well as everyone seems rather pleased with it.

bdsams said,
The only hard thing about switching platforms is that you will lose the apps you bought, email, contacts and the like all sync across the platforms...its not to hard to do. I recently went from BB to Android and soon to iOS...
Really? I still have my Samsung Instinct with the apps I bought. Just because you move doesn't mean you have to dump. I dont contract phones anymore, I buy them. and I keep them. I have 7 phones and all have the original apps I bought. Even my old Pocket PC.

Wow! Thats good to hear. Now bring me a handset worth buying that doesn't look cheep or have useless features (like the lame speaker extension on the HTC one for AT&T).

Agree. Bring me a Droid X style phone running WinMo7 and I'm in. The current crop of handsets are fairly much terrible except for the HTC HD7 and the Dell one but they are stuck on a network that I won't go to. Waiting to see what Verizon brings handset wise.

Shadrack said,
Wow! Thats good to hear. Now bring me a handset worth buying that doesn't look cheep or have useless features (like the lame speaker extension on the HTC one for AT&T).

The HTC Surround speakers are really nice. You may find them useless, but everyone who has played with my Surround thinks it wasn't a bad idea.

zombieChan said,

The HTC Surround speakers are really nice. You may find them useless, but everyone who has played with my Surround thinks it wasn't a bad idea.

Well, if you watch a lot of video on-the-go and in environments where you don't need headphones (in order to not be rude to other people), I can it coming to good use. I think when my gf and I saw the commercial we both rolled our eyes and decided HTC was trying too hard to make something unique. If something is going to slide out, I'd prefer a keyboard, but to each their own.

Hackersoft MS MVP said,
Agree. Bring me a Droid X style phone running WinMo7 and I'm in. The current crop of handsets are fairly much terrible except for the HTC HD7 and the Dell one but they are stuck on a network that I won't go to. Waiting to see what Verizon brings handset wise.

There was a really nice HTC WP7 that went to Europe. I agree, the DELL one is really nice. My comment was directed at the 3 launch phones that went to AT&T. The Samsung Focus brought some awesome specs, but something about the phone felk chunky and cheep to me.

Shadrack said,
Well, if you watch a lot of video on-the-go and in environments where you don't need headphones (in order to not be rude to other people), I can it coming to good use.
You just called it lame and useless It may be those for you, but as you acknowledge, not for everyone. Phones already have keyboards, it's rather more useful to add a feature it doesn't have.

Kirkburn said,
You just called it lame and useless It may be those for you, but as you acknowledge, not for everyone. Phones already have keyboards, it's rather more useful to add a feature it doesn't have.

Sorry . First thing that came to mind when I saw it was it was trying to fill the gap between 80's boomboxes and a smart phone. Second thing that came to mind was how annoying the sounds from other people's smartphones are to those around them and how many artards are blasting these speakers in a crowded bus or subway.

Shadrack said,

There was a really nice HTC WP7 that went to Europe. I agree, the DELL one is really nice. My comment was directed at the 3 launch phones that went to AT&T. The Samsung Focus brought some awesome specs, but something about the phone felk chunky and cheep to me.

Yea the greatest thing about the Focus is the csreen. But yet it felt cheap and very plasticity

wv@gt said,
good news, I hope to be getting one soon as well

Me too. Hopefully it comes to Verizon soon! I'm finding it very hard to wait.

M_Lyons10 said,

Me too. Hopefully it comes to Verizon soon! I'm finding it very hard to wait.


Keep waiting. A CDMA WP7 is to appear in Jan 2011. Its the HTC trophy.

dave164 said,
Great start Would be nice to see how many were actually sold to consumers though.

Well, if businesses are driving the adoption of WIndows Phone 7, then that's also a success, isn't it? Consumers would start encountering Windows Phones through colleagues, friends, family members, etc. "Hey, that doesn't look like your Blackberry. What is it?"

dave164 said,
Great start Would be nice to see how many were actually sold to consumers though.

Seeing how it was hard to find one for quite some time I'd say most of that 1.5m was actually sold through to consumers.

GP007 said,

Seeing how it was hard to find one for quite some time I'd say most of that 1.5m was actually sold through to consumers.

I know ordered mine on Oct 21 (day before release) didn't get it until Nov 16.

mad_onion said,

I know ordered mine on Oct 21 (day before release) didn't get it until Nov 16.

same here.. ordered it in Canada on Nov. 8th and it was delayed uptil Nov. 16th..

GP007 said,

Seeing how it was hard to find one for quite some time I'd say most of that 1.5m was actually sold through to consumers.

Exactly. +1

dave164 said,
Great start Would be nice to see how many were actually sold to consumers though.
Why? At least nearly all of them. The OEM's are buying them, not to sit on the shelf to collect dust. They are selling them. You also have to consider Windows Phone are available in almost all countries around the world. I would say at least 1/2 of those were sold here in the US and the vast rest of the majority in the UK/Europe.

zombieChan said,
This is great news. I'm glad the WP7 phones are doing well.

Don't be fooled by YET ANOTHER misleading title from Neowin, they did not sell those devices to customers, just carriers and retailers.

FoxieFoxie said,

Don't be fooled by YET ANOTHER misleading title from Neowin, they did not sell those devices to customers, just carriers and retailers.

You don't have to try so hard to downplay the number, the way MS's business works is from the license, every new WP7 that gets SOLD from a OEM to a carrier or a customer directly is a SALE for MS. It's the same for the PC market as well, that's how software licensing works in the end.

FoxieFoxie said,

Don't be fooled by YET ANOTHER misleading title from Neowin, they did not sell those devices to customers, just carriers and retailers.

Does it matter? MS gets the money for 1.5 million phones in both cases and that is what matters to them. Marketshare is where you see how many users it has, not through devices sold.

FoxieFoxie said,

Don't be fooled by YET ANOTHER misleading title from Neowin, they did not sell those devices to customers, just carriers and retailers.

True, but think, do you think all 1.5 millions phones are on the shelves. I would think over 800,000 of those were sold.

Glendi said,

Does it matter? MS gets the money for 1.5 million phones in both cases and that is what matters to them. Marketshare is where you see how many users it has, not through devices sold.


Yeah it does matter. The carriers ended up sending most KINs back to Microsoft for example.

.Neo said,

Yeah it does matter. The carriers ended up sending most KINs back to Microsoft for example.

Seriously, this is your argument?

Can you serious equate the Kin with the WP7? One was a limited function device and the other is a robust smartphone platform. Do you consider the Motorola Razr V3m to be equal to the Motorola Droid too?

Wow...

thenetavenger said,
Seriously, this is your argument?

It has nothing to do with the capabilities or features of both phones, which you make it out to be... If WP7 phones end up not being sold there is the chance that they will be sent back by the carriers. So yeah, shipping 1,5 million phones to carriers doesn't equal 1,5 million phones sold. The KIN is an example of that.

.Neo said,

It has nothing to do with the capabilities or features of both phones, which you make it out to be... If WP7 phones end up not being sold there is the chance that they will be sent back by the carriers. So yeah, shipping 1,5 million phones to carriers doesn't equal 1,5 million phones sold. The KIN is an example of that.

Nobody said it was, but the KIN was a failure the moment they announced the pricing plans. I wouldn't pay smartphone data rates for a feature phone, and neither would anyone else with a brain.

.Neo said,

It has nothing to do with the capabilities or features of both phones, which you make it out to be... If WP7 phones end up not being sold there is the chance that they will be sent back by the carriers. So yeah, shipping 1,5 million phones to carriers doesn't equal 1,5 million phones sold. The KIN is an example of that.

What do you expect? Microsoft also said how many copy of Windows 7 it licensed. Maybe half of those new laptops with Windows 7 are sitting on BestBuy's shelves.

FoxieFoxie said,

Don't be fooled by YET ANOTHER misleading title from Neowin, they did not sell those devices to customers, just carriers and retailers.

Pretty much, and no-one really believes Microsoft's numbers anymore, they've released these misleading numbers to create interest around their failed product.

Would be surprising if actual sales were around 15% of these numbers.

Lechio said,

Pretty much, and no-one really believes Microsoft's numbers anymore, they've released these misleading numbers to create interest around their failed product.

Would be surprising if actual sales were around 15% of these numbers.

Microsoft knows the actual activations. If the number was anything to be really proud of, you'd think they'd disclose it at some point. But everybody likes reporting 'shipped units' instead of actually sold to customers.

Lechio said,

Pretty much, and no-one really believes Microsoft's numbers anymore, they've released these misleading numbers to create interest around their failed product.

Would be surprising if actual sales were around 15% of these numbers.

Implying only Microsoft does that? It's a well known tactic. I'd be surprised to find a company who doesn't do that.

.Neo said,

It has nothing to do with the capabilities or features of both phones, which you make it out to be... If WP7 phones end up not being sold there is the chance that they will be sent back by the carriers. So yeah, shipping 1,5 million phones to carriers doesn't equal 1,5 million phones sold. The KIN is an example of that.

+1

GP007 said,

You don't have to try so hard to downplay the number, the way MS's business works is from the license, every new WP7 that gets SOLD from a OEM to a carrier or a customer directly is a SALE for MS. It's the same for the PC market as well, that's how software licensing works in the end.

But is the phones are not sold to customers even sales for MS dry. The real data to determine a success of everything is sales to consumers.

randomevent said,

Nobody said it was, but the KIN was a failure the moment they announced the pricing plans. I wouldn't pay smartphone data rates for a feature phone, and neither would anyone else with a brain.

This. WP7 simply cannot be compared to the KIN in any way. And to be quite honest, from what I've heard, I would be shocked if these carriers were building up stock of the phones. It sounds like it's been a pretty solid release thus far.

M_Lyons10 said,
It sounds like it's been a pretty solid release thus far.

As others have said...if they had good figures to brag about they would have released them already!

I am yet to hear or see anyone I know with a WP7 yet lol

GP007 said,

You don't have to try so hard to downplay the number, the way MS's business works is from the license, every new WP7 that gets SOLD from a OEM to a carrier or a customer directly is a SALE for MS. It's the same for the PC market as well, that's how software licensing works in the end.

Correct...and OEM wouldn't be buying them in huge numbers if they wasn't selling. many locations worldwide simply can't keep them in stock. All the fans of other platforms always want to bash a competitor. Competition makes us the winner in the end fool. When you are vying for market atatention you have to be creative in marketing, offer a better product and lower the cost. Lower cost comes automatically as they all compete for space. The best platform will win. I expect by 2011 Q4, Android will be in number 1, Apple 2 and then MSFT at 4th...

Once the update is applied and more features are added, the phone will be even better. Anyone knows that 1.0 of any platform is still work in progress. I think MS left a lot out because the OS simply wasn't finished. The update should fix that and then its on.