Microsoft: 40 million Windows 8 licenses sold so far

Microsoft launched Windows 8 with much fanfare on October 26th and four days later, its CEO Steve Ballmer announced that the company had already sold over 4 million Windows 8 upgrades. Today, Microsoft gave a new update on Windows 8, 32 days after its official release to the public.

The official Windows blog reports that Windows business head Tami Reller stated that Microsoft has now sold 40 million Windows 8 licenses since the launch. Reller made her remarks during an address at the Credit Suisse 2012 Annual Technology Conference.

In addition, Microsoft claims, "Windows 8 is outpacing Windows 7 in terms of upgrades." The post did not give any specific numbers for comparison. We emailed Microsoft to find out how many of those 40 million Windows 8 licenses were for updates for older PCs and how many were for new PC purchases but a company representative did not provide that kind of breakdown to us.

Microsoft also provides a brief update on the Windows Store aspect of Windows 8. It said:

There were more apps in the Windows Store at launch than any other app store at their launch and since then, the number of apps in the Windows Store has doubled. A number of apps in the Windows Store have crossed the $25,000 revenue mark and the developer keeps 80% of the revenue they make off downloads for the life of their app.

As we reported earlier today, StatCounter claims that, according to their data, Windows 8 is now being used by 2.05 percent of all PC owners in the US and 1.44 percent worldwide.

The official Microsoft Facebook page has been updated with the news along with a "Thank you" image.

Source: Windows blog

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Steven Sinofsky was fired Tami Reller chief financial officer and chief marketing officer took on responsibility for the business of Windows.

Tami Reller report directly to Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer. It was Tami Reller that reported the 40 million licenses sold.

Anyone really have an idea what's going on in Microsoft HQ.

As CFO and CMO Tami Reller will oversee the business operations. She will be working with Julie Larson-Green, Larson-Green helped design Office in 1997. She is now Microsoft's New Windows Boss.

Now picture this. Both these women are very intelligent, and they both report to Steve Ballmer. Time will tell if they can stomach working for Ballmer!

Steven Anthony Ballmer, has received the singular honour of being named by Forbes as without a doubt “the worst CEO of a large publicly traded American company today”. For 12 years this man has ruled or should I say ruined Microsoft, isn't it time they let them go?

Under Ballmer's stewardship, products have consistently been delayed, and when they have arrived they've been “so lacking in any enhanced value that they left customers scrambling to find ways to avoid upgrades”.

So with all sincerity I wish Reller & Larson-Green all the luck in the world they're certainly going to need it

At $39.99 a Windows 8 Digital License (From Microsoft.com) Equals NOT very huge profits for Microsoft. P.S. Although I am mainly using a Mid Year 2010 Apple Mac Mini as my primary Computer, I am most often using my Windows 8 Boot Camp Partition rather than my Mac OS X 10.8.3 Beta 1 Partition mainly because I like what Microsoft has in the Windows 8 Store a whole lot better than what Apple has in the Mac App Store by the way.

Just had 2 people ask me about my surface. Both want one and like the windows 8 tiles. It cracks me up and troubles me that you so called techies who are complaining about win8 and MS taking the start button away can call yourselves "Techies". What a joke. I couldn't get windows 8 for 3 days and since then would not go back to the win7 days. What im saying is, the reason the 2 people, one a guy and 1 a girl didn't have one. Price. Waiting for a deal.

Does anyone on this forum actually read?

Windows 7 was a FREE upgrade from Vista if you bought a qualifying computer (and you could exploit it just like you could with the W8 upgrade, only difference was that it was free instead of $15).

Windows 7 had House Party which pretty much got you a copy of Ultimate for free just for filling in a form.

7 also shipped with family pack (3 retail licences) for $150. That works out to be $50 per license.

Hey let's all remember, Windows Vista was a failure. The haters don't even count the FACT that Vista sold over 480M licenses. The OEM's still sold over 200M computers running Windows Vista or were preinstalled with Vista. Even if you chose an OEM that allowed going back to Windows XP, since that PC was designed for Vista, that si still a Vista license sold.

However, based on the numbers, it was mostly businesses that wanted the computers downgraded to Windows XP. Many users who had Vista were on with it. Vista's biggest issues was the rebellion of the OEM's not to support hardware properly. It costed them a lot of money and when Windows 7 appeared they made sure they were on par because they could have back to back failures.

I think Windows 8 is ok. The biggest problem I have with it, is you do basically have to buy new hardware in order to enjoy it. The UI does work very well with a mouse and keyboard, but the fingers would be faster. Touchscreen PC's right now cost about as much as $300 for basically an exact same system runnign Windows 7. Windows 8 is being release on the same Intel Ivy Bridge platform as the lastest Windows 7 PC's. The only aditional thing you are getting is a touch capable screen.

I am betting out of the 40M, nearly 1/2 were upgrades. I bought 2 and I get my one free copy being an MSDN subscriber for life. I returned one of my laptops back to Windows 7, because I missed certain features, liek the "start" button.

Windows I think will be nearly as successful as 7 once the Pro model that runs desktop apps appear. Sure it may be slightly heavier, slightly thicker, but it is a full PC. I think the OEM's aren't going to do well, because peopel don't want convertible laptops. That carp failed before and its going to fail again, but not as badly. I want a tablet running Windows. I want the keyboard tobe detachible so that when I am on the go, I pull it out only if/when I need it. I dont want to be forced to carry the heyboard when I dont want to because its built-in. MS knew from drawings that he OEM's simply havent learned and it forced Microsoft's hand to get into the hardware bsuiness because the OEM's are stupid.

The only OEM who seems to get it is Asus and Samsung. The rest of them are sticking with the same old tired designs from 2002.

I will wait and get the Surface Pro and I can then dump my desktop PC. I think Windows 8 was a good move, I just hate that MS took away the thinsg they could ahve kept. All they need to do is fix IE so that IE desktop works right with IE on the Metro Skin, not running 2 complete different versions...or 3 if you're using 64bit Windows.

Office RT is twin to Office x86/64 and the compatibility is 100%. No one has this. Not APple, not Google not anyone. Windows 8 will do well, no matter what the haters thing.

I mean look back, WIndows ME was terrible, yet it still sold 90M copies before MS pulled it. Windows XP at first was horrible until Service Pack 1a. Windows 95 was horrible until 95B and 95C. Windows NT was horrible until subsequent service packs. Windows 98 was horrible until 98SE. Windows 2000 was awesome from day one, because Microsoft ciouldn't afford for it to be wrong.

For all the haters, you all keep hating, you all keep wishing MS is going to die. Keep thinking Windows 8 is going to kill Microosft. Once Windows 9 appears and builts on the 8 foundation, its going to be awesome. By then, more desktop apps will have touch centric controls and UI's. It going to get better, all the fools have to do is be patient and allow everyone to evolve and catch up.

In addition, Microsoft claims, "Windows 8 is outpacing Windows 7 in terms of upgrades."

Something doesn't compute here. According to Wikipedia and Net Applications, Windows 7 reached a 4% market share in less than three weeks.

4 weeks and 3 days passed from Windows 8 release, but Net Applications reports that Windows 8 takes just 1.18% share of the market (~4 times less than Windows 7 at the time).
http://www.netmarketshare.com/...customd=0&qptimeframe=W

Actual data doesn't match with MS PR claims.

EJocys said,

Something doesn't compute here. According to Wikipedia and Net Applications, Windows 7 reached a 4% market share in less than three weeks.

4 weeks and 3 days passed from Windows 8 release, but Net Applications reports that Windows 8 takes just 1.18% share of the market (~4 times less than Windows 7 at the time).
http://www.netmarketshare.com/...customd=0&qptimeframe=W

Actual data doesn't match with MS PR claims.

the problem with your argument is that Net applications doesn't actually measure sales. they measure web traffic on specific sites. therefore it is not a credible source of market share.

So... 15 million pc are actively running W8 after a month.
Still not bad, right?

It seems a lot of people are on the go for a final meltdown of W8 and MS in general.
Still don't know why....

Dutchie64 said,
So... 15 million pc are actively running W8 after a month.
Still not bad, right?

It seems a lot of people are on the go for a final meltdown of W8 and MS in general.
Still don't know why....

because most people know windows 8 is the future. what else are you going to use Linux? pfff, mac ? where is the start menu there?

the fact that less than only 15 millions of those 40 millions are actually in end users' hands are conveniently left out of neowin's so-called article. but in order to keep the fanboys in heat, that is to be expected.

"... The latest figure does not mean that 40 million users have adopted Windows 8. Many of the sales are to PC manufacturers, who in turn sell a large number of machines to companies, very few of which are using Windows 8 yet.

According to tech research firm StatCounter, about 1 percent of the world's 1.5 billion or so personal computers - making a total of around 15 million - are actually running Windows 8. ..."

Albert said,
the fact that less than only 15 millions of those 40 millions are actually in end users' hands are conveniently left out of neowin's so-called article. but in order to keep the fanboys in heat, that is to be expected.

"... The latest figure does not mean that 40 million users have adopted Windows 8. Many of the sales are to PC manufacturers, who in turn sell a large number of machines to companies, very few of which are using Windows 8 yet.

According to tech research firm StatCounter, about 1 percent of the world's 1.5 billion or so personal computers - making a total of around 15 million - are actually running Windows 8. ..."

There are lies and then there are damn statistics. You might want to look into how those numbers are actually generated - it's not going to be absolute in any sense. "the fact that less than.." isn't a fact at all, because there's no proof that it's true - therefore to state it as so is erroneous.

I guess we see what we want to but at the end of the day MS has shareholders and there's only so much spin they can get away with due to that accountability. It'll be far more interesting to see how things pan out in a few months (and on the back of MS' own figures rather than speculative samples).

Albert said,
the fact that less than only 15 millions of those 40 millions are actually in end users' hands are conveniently left out of neowin's so-called article. but in order to keep the fanboys in heat, that is to be expected.

"... The latest figure does not mean that 40 million users have adopted Windows 8. Many of the sales are to PC manufacturers, who in turn sell a large number of machines to companies, very few of which are using Windows 8 yet.

According to tech research firm StatCounter, about 1 percent of the world's 1.5 billion or so personal computers - making a total of around 15 million - are actually running Windows 8. ..."

sales are sales. MSFT got paid. It is no different than when best buy purchases PCs from Acer. Acer gets paid, MSFT got paid. When the device actually gets sold to the end user is completely inconsequential to MSFT.

Who cares about how many upgrades, new installs or OEM's are in those 40 million.
Points is that all the nay-sayers, haters and so called "analists" are basically wrong on their doom and gloom scenario.

This is positive news, that will reflect back to the 'common' user. You know, the ones that aren't that picky about new stuff ;-)

So... Go MS!!

And yes, I use other OS's and things as well.....

The stupid azz bloggers claiming 'insider sources' say sales are disappointing must really feel like irrelevant pieces of stuff I flush down my toilet.

Wow we sure got one of the largest and most knowledge group of sales analysts in one place. How does this site manage to attract the worlds elite insiders ?
If M$ needs info they should come here to neowin and talk to the same 4/5 fanboys that post on every windows 8 topic lol
Oh wait.. M$ doesn't need to because i bet most of them ALREADY work for M$ LOL

I am Not PCyr said,
Wow we sure got one of the largest and most knowledge group of sales analysts in one place. How does this site manage to attract the worlds elite insiders ?
If M$ needs info they should come here to neowin and talk to the same 4/5 fanboys that post on every windows 8 topic lol
Oh wait.. M$ doesn't need to because i bet most of them ALREADY work for M$ LOL

M$ lol, so retro, just like your views.

Well there's no shortage of people just wanting to check Facebook, email, play games and wanting the very latest without caring much about having perfection in the OS.

Actually, I'd think that most of that forty million are upgrades - not purchases of new hardware.
Why? For one simple reason - lots of shipments of new hardware to retailers trailed the launch by *at least a week* - and that doesn't even COUNT shipments to the Sandy-sat-upon northeastern United States. That means that OEM licenses didn't start kicking in until this month - at the earliest. And the month won't end until next week.

And further, this is despite a craptastic economy.

Last - but certainly not least - this doesn't even begin to count sales of Surface (or any WindowsRT-based hardware).

Just to give everyone a revised figured. That is about 15 licenses sold per second.

Windows 7 took about 6 months to hit the 7 licenses per second mark, and about a year to hit the 10 licenses per second mark.

This means that Windows 8 is vastly outperforming sales on a timeframe comparison. There's not even a question about how sales are doing.

Shane Nokes said,
Just to give everyone a revised figured. That is about 15 licenses sold per second.

Windows 7 took about 6 months to hit the 7 licenses per second mark, and about a year to hit the 10 licenses per second mark.

This means that Windows 8 is vastly outperforming sales on a timeframe comparison. There's not even a question about how sales are doing.

to put this into perspective, people are attracted to drama.. so whats your point ?

I like to occasionally find a busy spot and stare at the sky..
What do think happens ? Everyone else starts staring too lol

I am Not PCyr said,

to put this into perspective, people are attracted to drama.. so whats your point ?

I like to occasionally find a busy spot and stare at the sky..
What do think happens ? Everyone else starts staring too lol

What's your point? All I see is a load of trolling with little meat on it. MS must of seriously caused you personal harm or something (else dramatic). Lord knows, anything positive must be beaten down because it doesn't fit your own agenda

Microsoft sell Windows 8 licenses, how and where they are sold is of no importance in this equation. Microsoft sell the license for the privilege to use there software on whatever hardware the customer, oem, corporate is putting it on. So if you are a company that sells software to whoever then 40 Million is pretty ****ing good no matter how you look at it. haters go back to your mums basement and shutup.

korupt_one said,
Microsoft sell Windows 8 licenses, how and where they are sold is of no importance in this equation. Microsoft sell the license for the privilege to use there software on whatever hardware the customer, oem, corporate is putting it on. So if you are a company that sells software to whoever then 40 Million is pretty ****ing good no matter how you look at it. haters go back to your mums basement and shutup.

exactly. wouldn't google wish to sell 40million of anything in a month. what was the android activation number? 1 million per day? and how much they made? 0 dollars. contrast that to 40million in a month which is over 1 million per day. and they are actually making money off it.

neonspark said,

exactly. wouldn't google wish to sell 40million of anything in a month. what was the android activation number? 1 million per day? and how much they made? 0 dollars. contrast that to 40million in a month which is over 1 million per day. and they are actually making money off it.

Google earn via advertising on those devices - not from the price on the door.

Not that I disagree - MS' numbers here look very good.

How many are upgrades. new systems, and tablets compared to desktops/non touch devices? Lots of info missing here before anything can be said one way or another. I am betting a lot are tablets since the tablet seems to be the "in" and "cool" device to have these days. Would do much better if given the option to hide the metro menu and use the normal start menu. MS can do it, but they just want to force everyone to their way of thinking. I would upgrade now if they would change that. And yes, I can buy some software to add the stat menu...but I shouldnt have to.

techbeck said,
How many are upgrades. new systems, and tablets compared to desktops/non touch devices? Lots of info missing here before anything can be said one way or another. I am betting a lot are tablets since the tablet seems to be the "in" and "cool" device to have these days. Would do much better if given the option to hide the metro menu and use the normal start menu. MS can do it, but they just want to force everyone to their way of thinking. I would upgrade now if they would change that. And yes, I can buy some software to add the stat menu...but I shouldnt have to.

from MSFT's perspective, they got paid. that's what matters.

bwahahhaha, I love it. 40 million,and most of the windows 8 hardware isn't even out yet.

This is for all the doubters, **** talkers,those worthless analysts,and apple cheerleader bloggers/pundits.

Imagine what the number is going to be this holiday season.

THIS IS WAR

vcfan said,
bwahahhaha, I love it. 40 million,and most of the windows 8 hardware isn't even out yet.

This is for all the doubters, **** talkers,those worthless analysts,and apple cheerleader bloggers/pundits.

Imagine what the number is going to be this holiday season.

THIS IS WAR

Windows 7 popular ?
ok we agree then right ?
so then what will happen when Windows 7 users hear about the next new thing ?
they are going to buy it up..
What else are they gonna do ? Win 7 is gradually gonna vanish.
Is my mom suppose to go to Wallmart and buy a laptop with Ubuntu on it ?
Kinda funny how people take so much pride in buying the 1 of 1 choice available lol
perfect for the people who wait to see what M$ tells them what hey should like next.
let the lemmings run right off the cliff.. lol

Brony said,

The same than windows vista?

it is already much much higher than vista. But ok, say it is vista? how many did that sell like 250 MILLION? that's nearly the marketshare of all iOS devices lol. how is that bad?

Propaganda : Microsoft Sold 40million of Windows Vist... er Windows 8
Reality: MSFT is still going down.

http://finance.yahoo.com/echar...gscale=off;source=undefined;

MS can push the shares up only by :
a) Selling a new product.
b) Selling a new service.
c) Purchasing (for a nice price) a nice company.

And nothing more. However, (and it is the dangerous part), MS used all cases and still the trend is not changing.

MSFT peaked during this year because MS promised a new batch of products, Windows 8, Surface and so on, and both (share price viewpoint) was a big flop.

Brony said,
Propaganda : Microsoft Sold 40million of Windows Vist... er Windows 8
Reality: MSFT is still going down.

http://finance.yahoo.com/echar...gscale=off;source=undefined;

MS can push the shares up only by :
a) Selling a new product.
b) Selling a new service.
c) Purchasing (for a nice price) a nice company.

And nothing more. However, (and it is the dangerous part), MS used all cases and still the trend is not changing.

MSFT peaked during this year because MS promised a new batch of products, Windows 8, Surface and so on, and both (share price viewpoint) was a big flop.


Stock price has jack **** to do with reality, I learned that when I was 12.
But if you want to play that game, look at apple's shares for the past 2 months, dropping from a peak of $700 to mid $500s. That's a huge swing. Does that mean that Apple is "going down"? Hell no. It means investors ARE STUPID. Because they listen to the *******s that say Windows 8 is a flop. Anyone selling MSFT or AAPL needs to be taken out back and shot for sheer stupidity.

siah1214 said,

Stock price has jack **** to do with reality, I learned that when I was 12.
But if you want to play that game, look at apple's shares for the past 2 months, dropping from a peak of $700 to mid $500s. That's a huge swing. Does that mean that Apple is "going down"? Hell no. It means investors ARE STUPID. Because they listen to the *******s that say Windows 8 is a flop. Anyone selling MSFT or AAPL needs to be taken out back and shot for sheer stupidity.

Sheesh, the vendor is saying "we sold 40million of copies" and the shareholders are saying "sorry but im not sure where the business is going to". At least the shareholders are people that are betting money.

In any case, it is not wise to trust in vendor's statements and sponsored numbers, specially if they are not clear.

Brony said,

Sheesh, the vendor is saying "we sold 40million of copies" and the shareholders are saying "sorry but im not sure where the business is going to". At least the shareholders are people that are betting money.

In any case, it is not wise to trust in vendor's statements and sponsored numbers, specially if they are not clear.

Because people don't lie unless they're getting paid. Think what you want, I find people lie just as much if not more, just for the thrill of it, than getting paid to.

Brony said,

Sheesh, the vendor is saying "we sold 40million of copies" and the shareholders are saying "sorry but im not sure where the business is going to". At least the shareholders are people that are betting money.

In any case, it is not wise to trust in vendor's statements and sponsored numbers, specially if they are not clear.

what part of sold do you not understand? MSFT got paid already. it doesn't matter if it was upgrades, OEM sales, whatever. shareholders don't care about marketshare, they care about MONEY. and this is money in the bank for MSFT.

Brony said,
Propaganda : Microsoft Sold 40million of Windows Vist... er Windows 8
Reality: MSFT is still going down.

http://finance.yahoo.com/echar...gscale=off;source=undefined;

MS can push the shares up only by :
a) Selling a new product.
b) Selling a new service.
c) Purchasing (for a nice price) a nice company.

And nothing more. However, (and it is the dangerous part), MS used all cases and still the trend is not changing.

MSFT peaked during this year because MS promised a new batch of products, Windows 8, Surface and so on, and both (share price viewpoint) was a big flop.

seeing the apple stock collapse all but proves your point...wrong

yowanvista said,
The M$ fanboy patrol is high on this one

yup lol

i posted a poll on a site and asked people for what ever the feel like saying.
and so far the poll was more bad but after a while its coming up about equal.
and we can get into symantecs all we want but the customer is king and if 50% of customers do NOT like windows 8 then there ya go. As a customer i don't have to explain nothing to anyone its my right to dislike a product. That works both ways lol
i hope the cheerleaders are bothered by the fact that *close to 50% of pre-existing windows users are voting windows 8 is BAD !
that is far too many for these cheerleaders to shrug off with excuses !

I am Not PCyr said,

i hope the cheerleaders are bothered by the fact that *close to 50% of pre-existing windows users are voting windows 8 is BAD !
that is far too many for these cheerleaders to shrug off with excuses !

WOW!!! That's a pretty scientific way to come up with a 50% figure. A poll by a random guy on a random site. Both of which may or may not exist.

I am Not PCyr said,

yup lol

i posted a poll on a site and asked people for what ever the feel like saying.
and so far the poll was more bad but after a while its coming up about equal.
and we can get into symantecs all we want but the customer is king and if 50% of customers do NOT like windows 8 then there ya go. As a customer i don't have to explain nothing to anyone its my right to dislike a product. That works both ways lol
i hope the cheerleaders are bothered by the fact that *close to 50% of pre-existing windows users are voting windows 8 is BAD !
that is far too many for these cheerleaders to shrug off with excuses !

Just like the majority don't like a change on FB and start groups to bring back the old xxx, but within a month or two it all quietens down and people have gotten used to it. The vast majority will love the store apps and games especially, once they get angry birds they're happy

But what they're neglecting to mention is how they came up with that 40 million figure.

40 million people have *not* upgraded their copy of Windows - it's just how many licenses they've issued. Included in their figure are:

* All licenses issued on MSDN as part of existing subscriptions.
* Unused / unsold licenses.
* Promotional licences such as the free promotional Media Center "upgrade" licenses they issued.

no1 said,
But what they're neglecting to mention is how they came up with that 40 million figure.

40 million people have *not* upgraded their copy of Windows - it's just how many licenses they've issued. Included in their figure are:

* All licenses issued on MSDN as part of existing subscriptions.
* Unused / unsold licenses.
* Promotional licences such as the free promotional Media Center "upgrade" licenses they issued.

MSDN Subscriptions are still licensed, people pay for MSDN. *ALL* companies report sales to distribution - not sales at retail (retailers report that). Media center upgrades do NOT count as Windows 8 licenses.

no1 said,
But what they're neglecting to mention is how they came up with that 40 million figure.

40 million people have *not* upgraded their copy of Windows - it's just how many licenses they've issued. Included in their figure are:

* All licenses issued on MSDN as part of existing subscriptions.
* Unused / unsold licenses.
* Promotional licences such as the free promotional Media Center "upgrade" licenses they issued.

Same is true of windows 7, I don't think people who upgraded to MC are counted as 2 buyers either, that makes no sense. Win 7 had free promotions and all that jazz. Good argument, until reality butts in.

J_R_G said,

Same is true of windows 7, I don't think people who upgraded to MC are counted as 2 buyers either, that makes no sense. Win 7 had free promotions and all that jazz. Good argument, until reality butts in.

so what ? the 3rd or 4th time you said this and i still don't see how it makes any difference.
moot point..

no1 said,
But what they're neglecting to mention is how they came up with that 40 million figure.

40 million people have *not* upgraded their copy of Windows - it's just how many licenses they've issued. Included in their figure are:

* All licenses issued on MSDN as part of existing subscriptions.
* Unused / unsold licenses.
* Promotional licences such as the free promotional Media Center "upgrade" licenses they issued.

Sweet Jesus, you guys just cant help yourself can you? The same math is applied to all versions of windows on release, so your point is mute.

yeah sold but not used - most are OEM's and most will likely confuse people that buy those new comps with it on them as I've already seen.

sava700 said,
yeah sold but not used - most are OEM's and most will likely confuse people that buy those new comps with it on them as I've already seen.

You keep on throwing assumptions based on your own experience and the experience you've seen on tech threads, while in the real world its not actually happening.

Sem XL said,
it could have sold 3 billion+ licenses for all I care

personally I still think its garbage compared to win 7...

it's ok, people still believe the earth is the center of the universe

Jose_49 said,
Well, by the 15$ exploit, and the 40$ upgrade who didn't buy a Windows license ?

I'd say those "Enterprising" people who got it for nothing... LOL

The same exploit existed for Vista to 7 except then it was free. You could also get 3 retail copies of 7 for $150 (so that's 50 for each) and you could get Ultimate for free with House Party.

Pretty much the same situation with minor differences (well no house party this time too).

WOW! Congrats Microsoft!!! Everyone was saying it was flopping, but I knew it was selling well based on my various retail store experiences.

Hahaiah said,
The Ford Pinto sold millions of cars and was also considered a sales success.

Great analogy, except Windows 8 won't be bursting into flames and KILLING people.

Hyperbole : failed.

Hahaiah said,
The Ford Pinto sold millions of cars and was also considered a sales success.

Of course, the argument was "Windows 8 is going to sell badly" not "Windows 8 is great because it sold well", but who's counting?

Hahaiah said,
The Ford Pinto sold millions of cars and was also considered a sales success.

your example may not be the best but the underlying point is rock solid.
doesn't take much to understand the concept (if your not in denial)

I tried Windows 8 on a tablet a couple nights ago at Future Shop. Didn't like it at all.
Tried a similar tablet that had Win 7 on it, loved it.
Didn't get to try a Surface though, not that it would make any difference but just wanted to actually see one.

LUTZIFER said,
I tried Windows 8 on a tablet a couple nights ago at Future Shop. Didn't like it at all.
Tried a similar tablet that had Win 7 on it, loved it.
Didn't get to try a Surface though, not that it would make any difference but just wanted to actually see one.

wow, windows 7 on tablet is great?

how many touch-optimized apps for windows 7, how is battery life? what if i told you, there is also desktop mode in Windows 8 tablet?

LUTZIFER said,
I tried Windows 8 on a tablet a couple nights ago at Future Shop. Didn't like it at all.
Tried a similar tablet that had Win 7 on it, loved it.
Didn't get to try a Surface though, not that it would make any difference but just wanted to actually see one.

they sold like 7 windows 7 tablets. they are heavy, run hot, have terrible battery life and cost nearly 1K.

windows 7 sucks for tablets period. that is why it never sold. it is dead.

I got windows 8 for £25, but after using it for 2 weeks I got fed up with it, so I gone back to windows 7, £25 wasted, but to be honest, I prefer to waste £25 than go mad.

I wonder how many other people who updated have gone back to windows 7.

Adrian s said,
I got windows 8 for £25, but after using it for 2 weeks I got fed up with it, so I gone back to windows 7, £25 wasted, but to be honest, I prefer to waste £25 than go mad.

I wonder how many other people who updated have gone back to windows 7.

Did you go in expecting old Windows? That was my problem the first time around as well. I almost unstalled the Release Preview as well. (Un)fortunatly I was on a dead-line so I didnt have time to go through with it. I just clicked through to the desktop each time, then one day I started messing around with the modern UI and I suddenly understood the benefits. Stil adaption came slow, I've only recently gotten used to using the modern version of IE over desktop browsers.

Adrian s said,
I got windows 8 for £25, but after using it for 2 weeks I got fed up with it, so I gone back to windows 7, £25 wasted, but to be honest, I prefer to waste £25 than go mad.

I wonder how many other people who updated have gone back to windows 7.

After I upgraded, I got fed up with the Start Screen and installed Start8. Now it's like Windows 7 only faster and has a much improved File Explorer. No need to downgrade. I wish I could like the Start Screen, I'm a big Windows Phone fanboy, but the Windows team did a poor job translating Metro UI for desktops.

Adrian s said,
I got windows 8 for £25, but after using it for 2 weeks I got fed up with it, so I gone back to windows 7, £25 wasted, but to be honest, I prefer to waste £25 than go mad.

I wonder how many other people who updated have gone back to windows 7.

Gotta laugh at the ignorance and ineptitude here. Is Metro not your cup of tea? Fine, your choice. There are other ways to avoid metro than to throw your dummy out of the pram and downgrade back to 7.

Underneith the "love it or hate it" metro UI (which as I mentioned you can avoid entirely if you possess at least half a brain cell), the underlying OS is far superior to 7.

That said, you didn't actually state WHY you downgraded. "got fed up" doesn't give us much to go on.

TCLN Ryster said,

Gotta laugh at the ignorance and ineptitude here. Is Metro not your cup of tea? Fine, your choice. There are other ways to avoid metro than to throw your dummy out of the pram and downgrade back to 7.

Underneith the "love it or hate it" metro UI (which as I mentioned you can avoid entirely if you possess at least half a brain cell), the underlying OS is far superior to 7.

That said, you didn't actually state WHY you downgraded. "got fed up" doesn't give us much to go on.

exactly so why are going on and on with the insulting reply if he didn't say why ?
IGNORANCE buddy
YOUR the one flying off with the assumptions here.
If he didn't say then he didn't say..
read between the lines all you want..

Been using Win8 now for about a month, and I like it so far. I don't miss the start menu, but I do miss the window chrome transparency and drop shadows. However, the performance increase on my simple dual core laptop is noticeable, so I'm generally happy.

Howly, I remember it takes Windows 7 2 years to get 400 miljoen sold licences. That's an average of 0,55... million each day. Windows 8 has now an average of 1,25 million! Anyway, I'm 1 of those 40 million people.

40 Million - I wish as a business I sucked that badly /s

Funny how the Windows 8 bashers come out in full force - learn how to use the damn operating system and stop being a whiner. Christ, you'd swear as though Ballmer had jumped through their Window and punched their mother hence the irrational hatred outpouring on Windows 8 and Microsoft these days.

Mr Nom Nom's said,
40 Million - I wish as a business I sucked that badly /s

Funny how the Windows 8 bashers come out in full force - learn how to use the damn operating system and stop being a whiner. Christ, you'd swear as though Ballmer had jumped through their Window and punched their mother hence the irrational hatred outpouring on Windows 8 and Microsoft these days.

You can always expect some backlash from heavy users. They're so used to and rely so much on their set-up that any new version will see negative response. It's usually the casual user that first accepts a new version and than the haters will slowly come to realize it is not the end of the world. Windows XP is a good example of this, it too was hated for its 'kids interface' it too was 'Windows ME all over again'.

Having said that, the backlash has been much worse this time around. Almost to the point where I expected all the nerds running the gadget sections of local newspapers to actually effect the Windows 8 perception. I stil think Windows 8 will have difficult years ahead but this is a positive sign.

Ronnet said,

You can always expect some backlash from heavy users. They're so used to and rely so much on their set-up that any new version will see negative response. .

And if their computers magically upgrade themselves from 7 (or XP) to 8 without their knowledge or approval, they'd have a reason to moan. But they don't magically upgrade, there is choice involved. Therefore the new OS doesn't affect them in any way whatsoever unless they choose for it to do so.

Ronnet said,
You can always expect some backlash from heavy users. They're so used to and rely so much on their set-up that any new version will see negative response. It's usually the casual user that first accepts a new version and than the haters will slowly come to realize it is not the end of the world. Windows XP is a good example of this, it too was hated for its 'kids interface' it too was 'Windows ME all over again'.

Having said that, the backlash has been much worse this time around. Almost to the point where I expected all the nerds running the gadget sections of local newspapers to actually effect the Windows 8 perception. I stil think Windows 8 will have difficult years ahead but this is a positive sign.

4-6 months ago I was one of those haters, 'Windows 8 sucks", "what the hell were Microsoft thinking" and "damn, I'm happy I don't have a Windows PC so then I wouldn't have to deal with this crap!" (yes, I was an Apple user back then). After using it for a month, getting used to charms, on the right and navigating the different metro applications on the right along with using hot corners I'm pretty happy. I don't use Metro extensively apart from MetroTwit which I 'snap left' so I can have twitter updating as I read articles, check email, complete some work on Creative Suite (mainly Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator although I pretty much everything in the "Master Collection' in one way or another) plus Visual Studio 2012. In other words I'm hardly a 'light user' who 'only uses Facebook" which makes me laugh when I hear tinkerers on here whining about their problems.

As for the start screen - I wish people would learn how to use the damn thing - pin the applications you want on the start screen and be done with it.

Mr Nom Nom's said,
learn how to use the damn operating system and stop being a whiner.

i guess i'm using it wrong eh ?

whiner ?
look up the definition. your whining about whiners ? really lol hilarious !
jeez i hope you never complained about any other OS before or you would be rather hypocritical to say the least..

upgrade ?
ok i'll bite..
what are you same people gonna say if i said i am using XP ?
uhhhhhhhhmmmm
maybe ????
uhhhh
UPGRADE !

..hypocrits lol

learn how to use my computer lol thats funny.
sorry but i don't need to learn squat.. try again lol

I am Not PCyr said,

i guess i'm using it wrong eh ?

whiner ?
look up the definition. your whining about whiners ? really lol hilarious !
jeez i hope you never complained about any other OS before or you would be rather hypocritical to say the least..

upgrade ?
ok i'll bite..
what are you same people gonna say if i said i am using XP ?
uhhhhhhhhmmmm
maybe ????
uhhhh
UPGRADE !

..hypocrits lol

learn how to use my computer lol thats funny.
sorry but i don't need to learn squat.. try again lol

Yet you ignore the follow up post I made - thanks for demonstrating that you're nothing more than a troll looking for a rise out of a responder.

Ronnet said,

You can always expect some backlash from heavy users. They're so used to and rely so much on their set-up that any new version will see negative response. It's usually the casual user that first accepts a new version and than the haters will slowly come to realize it is not the end of the world. Windows XP is a good example of this, it too was hated for its 'kids interface' it too was 'Windows ME all over again'.

Having said that, the backlash has been much worse this time around. Almost to the point where I expected all the nerds running the gadget sections of local newspapers to actually effect the Windows 8 perception. I stil think Windows 8 will have difficult years ahead but this is a positive sign.

you say it like you're in 1995. kid the world as changed. we live in a tablet world and windows 7 can't exist in this world. windows 8 is the only thing that can so deal with it.

What you need to remember that many of these people just wanted a new computer and it happened to come with windows 8. I would guess that half of these purchases fall in this category.

torrentthief said,
What you need to remember that many of these people just wanted a new computer and it happened to come with windows 8. I would guess that half of these purchases fall in this category.

Then you could say that for any operating system release couldn't you? Windows 7, XP and the like, that's how most people get there OS upgraded.

ingramator said,

Then you could say that for any operating system release couldn't you? Windows 7, XP and the like, that's how most people get there OS upgraded.

Don't you dare bring logic and fairness to this conversation, torrentthief's head will explode.

torrentthief said,
What you need to remember that many of these people just wanted a new computer and it happened to come with windows 8. I would guess that half of these purchases fall in this category.

fair point.
and whether the metrics for other versions are the same is irrelevant..
logical ?
actually yeah it is.

torrentthief said,
What you need to remember that many of these people just wanted a new computer and it happened to come with windows 8. I would guess that half of these purchases fall in this category.

yeah like windows 7 ALSO came with a new PC....you are really not very well informed are you?

If I remember correctly Windows 8 was going to "FAIL SO HARD RETARDZ", I think we might have to go back to a few other news articles and name + shame all the fortune tellers who said it would absolutely flop. Wow, this really must be embarrassing.

ingramator said,
If I remember correctly Windows 8 was going to "FAIL SO HARD RETARDZ", I think we might have to go back to a few other news articles and name + shame all the fortune tellers who said it would absolutely flop. Wow, this really must be embarrassing.

well i know myself i said it would probably be considered a success. It has to play out that way when you pander to the lowest common denominator.
And don't count your chickens yet its not over lol
what are defining failure ? low sales only ?

all i know is i'm interested in seeing things as accuratly as possible and not motivated to put a biased slant on every piece of windows 8 related info. Many of us that do not like windows 8 have specific issues with it and are more than willing to give em credit where it's due. this grouping people together and branding people with assumptions is embarrasing. I like how the fanboys realize they are getting owned and start to glean the core logic of the haters replies and try and feed it back to us lol
Like arguing with a monkey that flings poop at you while arguing and then it realizes that isn't working and try's to talk all logical n stuff.. LOL
So yea lets go back and read some of these comments by the same 3 or 4 people i see on EVERY windows 8 story. I basiclly have to go through and remind you guys that every comment you make is rife with ignorance and rampant with vague generalizations.
Someone says something and its assumption time..
Every topic goes like this..
Someone says they don't like something about windows 8
and that somehow translates into "WHERE IZ MAH START MENUS !!!11111"

go for it.. pull up all the old stories you want i dare you lol

It's around a quarter of the price Windows 7 was, it's launching in a slightly better economy so it really should be selling better. But the figures have been spun, why only give upgrades figures? But not offer a breakdown of upgrades and new PC licenses and the accusations of lies will vanish.

thealexweb said,
It's around a quarter of the price Windows 7 was, it's launching in a slightly better economy so it really should be selling better. But the figures have been spun, why only give upgrades figures? But not offer a breakdown of upgrades and new PC licenses and the accusations of lies will vanish.

As someone else already pointed out, Vista to 7 was a free upgrade if you bought a PC within 3 months before 7's release. Theres no offer to get 8 for free.

Also, 7 was released after Vista and LOADS of people on XP had been avoiding Vista and waiting for 7 to upgrade. So that instantly gave 7 million of upgrades.

8 is selling atleast as well as 7 because people actually want it. But keep trying.

thealexweb said,
It's around a quarter of the price Windows 7 was, it's launching in a slightly better economy so it really should be selling better. But the figures have been spun, why only give upgrades figures? But not offer a breakdown of upgrades and new PC licenses and the accusations of lies will vanish.

Windows 7 had introductory pricing, was free to upgrade from any PC purchased within the prior months, had free upgrades to Ultimate version for testers as well as that silly "launch party pack" and had 3 packs with a free router to push sales.. discounting at launch is nothing new and this time around MS has a lot more residuals with the Windows Store.

thealexweb said,
It's around a quarter of the price Windows 7 was, it's launching in a slightly better economy so it really should be selling better. But the figures have been spun, why only give upgrades figures? But not offer a breakdown of upgrades and new PC licenses and the accusations of lies will vanish.

Apple sells OSX upgrades for even less than what some have called a "failure" OS. And yet, Tim Cook claims that after nearly 30 years, there are 30 million users of OSX. Even free OSes, like Linux, have fewer desktop users than this "failure" OS.

Excuse after excuse to try to "prove" that Win8 is a failure, when the real failure is the arguments that people hate Win8.

thealexweb said,
It's around a quarter of the price Windows 7 was, it's launching in a slightly better economy so it really should be selling better. But the figures have been spun, why only give upgrades figures? But not offer a breakdown of upgrades and new PC licenses and the accusations of lies will vanish.

the economy is still really really bad. it is also lunching in the shadow of 7. so windows 8 has all the wind against it and still beats XP and 7. Why? because the world is going mobile and windows 7 is as mobile ready as a sail boat is for space travel.

runningnak3d said,
So ... 40 million idiots and counting...

If you lissen to the cult of Apple than there are over a billion idiots because using any version of Windows makes you one.

But I prefer Windows 8 over Windows 7. IMO I would be an idiot to join in the hatred just because most people are doing it. Call me an idiot all you want but you're calling me an idiot for doing the same thing you're doing: picking the OS that works best for you.

runningnak3d said,
So ... 40 million idiots and counting...

So people who bought Windows 8 are idiots and obviously you think Windows 8 is crap so obviously you would have bought a retail copy, therefore the only idiot here is you.

Have a nice day.

runningnak3d said,
So ... 40 million idiots and counting...

So, anybody who doesn't agree with your dislike of Windows 8... is an idiot. Gotcha.

Hooray for trolls.

runningnak3d said,
So ... 40 million idiots and counting...

Maybe you are one of the idiots that still stuck in the xp era, or maybe you just like over rated mac's

Alright hang on folks, According to reuters: The sales of 40 million Windows 8 licenses does not mean that 40 million users have adopted Windows 8. The bulk of those sales are to PC manufacturers, who in turn sell many machines to companies, very few of which are using Windows 8 yet.

According to tech research firm StatCounter, about 1 percent of the world's 1.5 billion or so personal computers - making a total of around 15 million - are actually running Windows 8.

Statcounter works by ads / tracking bits on websites. Not all websites have them and if you run an adblocker they won't work either. So their information isn't 100% accurate, but then again no statistic ever is.

Kalint said,
Alright hang on folks, According to reuters: The sales of 40 million Windows 8 licenses does not mean that 40 million users have adopted Windows 8. The bulk of those sales are to PC manufacturers, who in turn sell many machines to companies, very few of which are using Windows 8 yet.

Is that an estimate or did they actually produce detailed figures that could be described as 'bulk'? Not that I'm not willing to believe it, it seems likely. However the same would be true for Windows 7. Besides OEMs having faith in Windows 8 seems important as well. So whatever way you put it, Windows 8 seems to have had a good start. Which is the opposite of some of the things people have been saying on this website.

Kalint said,
Alright hang on folks, According to reuters: The sales of 40 million Windows 8 licenses does not mean that 40 million users have adopted Windows 8. The bulk of those sales are to PC manufacturers, who in turn sell many machines to companies, very few of which are using Windows 8 yet.

According to tech research firm StatCounter, about 1 percent of the world's 1.5 billion or so personal computers - making a total of around 15 million - are actually running Windows 8.

same metrics that were used for windows 7.... and vista..... whats your point?

Regardless of what you want to think, The analyst call did say MS has more people upgrading to Windows 8 in one month than who upgraded to Windows 7.. These figures are good no matter how you try and spin it. Even apple sales numbers are units to supply chain, not units sold.

Kalint said,
According to tech research firm StatCounter, about 1 percent of the world's 1.5 billion or so personal computers - making a total of around 15 million - are actually running Windows 8.

Now, I personally love Windows 8 so you may call my opinion biased... but 15 million in 4 weeks is pretty damned good if you ask me. Especially in the face of all the negativity from the so called "experts" and "enthusiasts" projecting their own personal opinions onto others.

At the end of the day, if people put their like or dislike of the new metro UI aside, Windows 8 is a pretty fine OS in it's own right. Any person with half a brain cell can avoid metro if they really hate it that much. They'd be a fool to deny themselves the clearly superior OS sitting underneith metro.

Kalint said,
Alright hang on folks, According to reuters: The sales of 40 million Windows 8 licenses does not mean that 40 million users have adopted Windows 8. The bulk of those sales are to PC manufacturers, who in turn sell many machines to companies, very few of which are using Windows 8 yet.

According to tech research firm StatCounter, about 1 percent of the world's 1.5 billion or so personal computers - making a total of around 15 million - are actually running Windows 8.

give it up, you were wrong,admit it and move on.

Kalint said,
Alright hang on folks, According to reuters: The sales of 40 million Windows 8 licenses does not mean that 40 million users have adopted Windows 8. The bulk of those sales are to PC manufacturers, who in turn sell many machines to companies, very few of which are using Windows 8 yet.

Yes, there is a huge difference between number of licenses sold and actual number of people using Windows-8 for business-oriented productive work.

According to tech research firm StatCounter, about 1 percent of the world's 1.5 billion or so personal computers - making a total of around 15 million - are actually running Windows 8.

Kalint said,
Alright hang on folks, According to reuters: The sales of 40 million Windows 8 licenses does not mean that 40 million users have adopted Windows 8. The bulk of those sales are to PC manufacturers, who in turn sell many machines to companies, very few of which are using Windows 8 yet.

According to tech research firm StatCounter, about 1 percent of the world's 1.5 billion or so personal computers - making a total of around 15 million - are actually running Windows 8.

So using that 15 million figure that you are claiming, do you really believe there are 25 million computers sitting on the shelves of Best Buy, Costco, etc. just waiting to be bought, but nobody wants them because they have Win8 on them?

Oh, and the completely unreliable stat from StatCounter (they usually include cell phones in their info) figure was 1.44%.

Finally, I recall an article from earlier in the year that OEM activation was changing, that makes like Dell were no longer able to bulk purchase licenses, but rather they would activate each computer individually over a network, which means they didn't buy x licenses and use them over time, but created a new license as needed, which would shoot down the pre-purchase but not used whining.

nohone said,

So using that 15 million figure that you are claiming, do you really believe there are 25 million computers sitting on the shelves of Best Buy, Costco, etc. just waiting to be bought, but nobody wants them because they have Win8 on them?

Oh, and the completely unreliable stat from StatCounter (they usually include cell phones in their info) figure was 1.44%.

Finally, I recall an article from earlier in the year that OEM activation was changing, that makes like Dell were no longer able to bulk purchase licenses, but rather they would activate each computer individually over a network, which means they didn't buy x licenses and use them over time, but created a new license as needed, which would shoot down the pre-purchase but not used whining.

The OEM part has been discussed and cleared up hours ago...

Kalint said,
...- making a total of around 15 million - are actually running Windows 8.

15 Million Windows 8 users turned off IE's Do not Track setting or are using another browser.

TCLN Ryster said,

Now, I personally love Windows 8 so you may call my opinion biased... but 15 million in 4 weeks is pretty damned good if you ask me. Especially in the face of all the negativity from the so called "experts" and "enthusiasts" projecting their own personal opinions onto others.

At the end of the day, if people put their like or dislike of the new metro UI aside, Windows 8 is a pretty fine OS in it's own right. Any person with half a brain cell can avoid metro if they really hate it that much. They'd be a fool to deny themselves the clearly superior OS sitting underneith metro.

I've been telling folks that since the Consumer Preview - and I'm running 8 Pro x64 (with Media Center) on a no-touch-anywhere *desktop* - with an LGA775 Q6600 (said CPU has been dead for how long?).

Apparently, Denial is found in more places than Egypt.....

PGHammer said,

I've been telling folks that since the Consumer Preview - and I'm running 8 Pro x64 (with Media Center) on a no-touch-anywhere *desktop* - with an LGA775 Q6600 (said CPU has been dead for how long?).

Apparently, Denial is found in more places than Egypt.....

The Q6600 is the best CPU I've ever own. You dont need any faster for years.

OMG, I thought Windows 8 was a failure... what happened people!?

I own it, bought it from amazon when it was $110, best windows ever, still think the start menu should of been an off by default option, but oh well Start8 is here for that, even though i haven't installed it since it went to payware.

SierraSonic said,
OMG, I thought Windows 8 was a failure... what happened people!?

I own it, bought it from amazon when it was $110, best windows ever, still think the start menu should of been an off by default option, but oh well Start8 is here for that, even though i haven't installed it since it went to payware.


You paid $110 for it? No I don't think MS is the failure here, sounds like you are for paying that haha!

n_K said,

You paid $110 for it? No I don't think MS is the failure here, sounds like you are for paying that haha!
Yes, I paid for the FULL PRO version, opted not to get the upgrade base version...

n_K said,

You paid $110 for it? No I don't think MS is the failure here, sounds like you are for paying that haha!
So did I. I went for the Retail Pro version becuase I plan to upgrade/change most of my computer parts and the Retail license suits me perfectily.

SierraSonic said,
Yes, I paid for the FULL PRO version, opted not to get the upgrade base version...

The products are the same, your advantage is that you can more easily install from the disc using your key, where the upgrade is key tied to the previous install.

They are both the full Pro version of Windows 8.

SierraSonic said,
OMG, I thought Windows 8 was a failure... what happened people!?

I own it, bought it from amazon when it was $110, best windows ever, still think the start menu should of been an off by default option, but oh well Start8 is here for that, even though i haven't installed it since it went to payware.

I wonder if they added all the "Volume license" sales to these figures.

Gaara sama said,
This is Microsoft propaganda and Liar.

Unfortunately Microsoft can not lie about issues like this. If they have said they have sold 40 Million licenses then that what they have sold, sorry to burst your hater bubbleworld

Fritzly said,

I wonder if they added all the "Volume license" sales to these figures.

In a word - no.

VL sales are completely separate, and aren't even CLOSE to being all reported, even for November.

thenetavenger said,

The products are the same, your advantage is that you can more easily install from the disc using your key, where the upgrade is key tied to the previous install.

They are both the full Pro version of Windows 8.

I know that, I said the full version because I meant the full version, not the upgrade...

SierraSonic said,
Yes, I paid for the FULL PRO version, opted not to get the upgrade base version...
Doesn't make it any less dumb. The Ungrade and full installer version are exactly the same. The only diffeence is the upgarde version checks for an earlier version while the full one doesn't...everything else is the same. All you had to do was pay $40, bun a disk...make sure an older version of Windows appears on a partition, install Windows 8 and you can tehn remove the Windows partition.

When I did my laptop it had Windows 7, I took another drive dropped it in and just hoooked the old one via USB. Once the install started and completed and I activated the new OS, I pulled the old drive. I did the same in my desktop.

You spent $110 because you arent as clever as you think you are.

Edited by Hi_XPecTa_Chens, Nov 28 2012, 7:11pm :

TechieXP said,
Doesn't make it any less dumb. The Ungrade and full installer version are exactly the same. The only diffeence is the upgarde version checks for an earlier version while the full one doesn't...everything else is the same. All you had to do was pay $40, bun a disk...make sure an older version of Windows appears on a partition, install Windows 8 and you can tehn remove the Windows partition.

When I did my laptop it had Windows 7, I took another drive dropped it in and just hoooked the old one via USB. Once the install started and completed and I activated the new OS, I pulled the old drive. I did the same in my desktop.

You spent $110 because you arent as clever as you think you are.

OK, I am not sure if I messed up, or your incorrect. I bought the 'Pro Upgrade' for $15, Got the offical .ISO torrent (Hash checked), Got it on a USB, and did a complete install after formatting the drive, my license was accepted.

Note that Windos 8 install was unable to 'read' any data from my drive during installation, as it had FDE (TrueCrypt).

So the $15 upgrade that anyone buys can be installed on a fresh/formatted HDD/SSD usign the en_windows_8_x64_dvd_915440.ISO.

Before anyone says that Windows 8 is only $15 whereas 7 was $100+:

1. The upgrade from Vista to 7 was free if you bought a laptop within the past 3 months (with 8 it was $15).

2. A family pack for a retail Windows 7 HP (3 licenses) was $150 so about $50 per license.

3. Microsoft also ran a promotion called House Party where you could get a copy of 7 Ultimate for free just for signing up on a website.

aboogabooga said,
Before anyone says that Windows 8 is only $15 whereas 7 was $100+:

1. The upgrade from Vista to 7 was free if you bought a laptop within the past 3 months (with 8 it was $15).

2. A family pack for a retail Windows 7 HP (3 licenses) was $150 so about $50 per license.

3. Microsoft also ran a promotion called House Party where you could get a copy of 7 Ultimate for free just for signing up on a website.

and Microsoft makes money on app sales (which will be small now but huge in the future) with windows 8 and not windows 7

Beyond what I expected. A sentiment shared by the haters who were so convinced Windows 8 was a born failure.

But here it is, selling at the same rate/beyond Windows 7. And Microsoft once again confirming that Windows 8 does indeed have apps. The 'no apps' argument is one I especially hated because Windows 8 does have a lot of apps, and now it seems it has more than apple in a fair comparison.

40 million is a fantastic base from which word of mouth can spread.

Ronnet said,
Beyond what I expected. A sentiment shared by the haters who were so convinced Windows 8 was a born failure.

But here it is, selling at the same rate/beyond Windows 7. And Microsoft once again confirming that Windows 8 does indeed have apps. The 'no apps' argument is one I especially hated because Windows 8 does have a lot of apps, and now it seems it has more than apple in a fair comparison.

40 million is a fantastic base from which word of mouth can spread.

So you are assuming that one sale = one happy windows 8 user ?
I purchased a win 8 pro license, but I'm not using it anymore.
I reverted back to win 7.
Of course, MS is trying to push this as a success story beyond belief.
It would be more interesting to know how many of the activated copies of win 8 is actually still being used.
Mine is collecting dust until something comes along that fixes the horrible desktop experience.

Kosh Naranek said,

So you are assuming that one sale = one happy windows 8 user ?
I purchased a win 8 pro license, but I'm not using it anymore.
I reverted back to win 7.
Of course, MS is trying to push this as a success story beyond belief.
It would be more interesting to know how many of the activated copies of win 8 is actually still being used.
Mine is collecting dust until something comes along that fixes the horrible desktop experience.

Just curios - why did you downgrade to Windows 7? Using Start8 and similar applications Windows 8 can pretty much behave just like Windows 7 but with some extra features and improvements. Maybe it's worth trying?

Pettor said,

Just curios - why did you downgrade to Windows 7? Using Start8 and similar applications Windows 8 can pretty much behave just like Windows 7 but with some extra features and improvements. Maybe it's worth trying?


I use RocketDock and startisback so the startmenu is not the reason.
I simply don't like the weird hybrid windows 8 is. It's a mix of the old desktop and the modern UI. You simply cannot use win 8 without having to mix the two together.
Which to me is a weird experience and one I will never get used to. As stated in another thread I also hate the way windows 8 changes the UI colors on the desktop, when you change the background image. I also don't like the color mix in some of the file explorer views. I mean seriously ..what is pink doing together with blue ??
I do like a lot of the new features and I would have no problem using it as my main OS, if only MS would give me a choice between desktop or modern UI when installing it. But as it stands the inconsistent UI look / behavior simply doesn't cut it for me.

Kosh Naranek said,

As stated in another thread I also hate the way windows 8 changes the UI colors on the desktop, when you change the background image.

Then turn it off. Honestly, for someone who browses a Windows technology site, you should be able to figure this out very easily. That and you're using it as a means for debasing Windows 8 when clearly, it's not a software issue, but a PEBKAC issue.

Ideas Man said,

Then turn it off. Honestly, for someone who browses a Windows technology site, you should be able to figure this out very easily. That and you're using it as a means for debasing Windows 8 when clearly, it's not a software issue, but a PEBKAC issue.

Why should I turn it off ?
If I want a certain picture as my background image why should that influence the UI colors ?

Kosh Naranek said,

So you are assuming that one sale = one happy windows 8 user ?
I purchased a win 8 pro license, but I'm not using it anymore.
I reverted back to win 7.
Of course, MS is trying to push this as a success story beyond belief.
It would be more interesting to know how many of the activated copies of win 8 is actually still being used.
Mine is collecting dust until something comes along that fixes the horrible desktop experience.

Wrong, Microsoft isn't pushing it as a success story. They are merely telling you 40M copies have sold one way or another. Either upgrades or PC's bought with Windows 8 pre-installed. I don't see Microsoft saying anything else.

The problem with YOu distoted haters is that, you add fluff to the flat. Microosft always give some number to give an idea how well they are doing. 40M copies is no laughing matter son.

Have you ever sold 40M of anything? lets just say 50% of those sales were peopel who took advantage of the 39.99 upgrade discount. That would be 20M x 39.99. So the math.

Do you ahve that much money? Let me ask, if you had a product and u sold 20M at $40, would you not be bragging about how well its going?

If this was Apple, you likely would be all up in arms with love and happiness. Why can't you do the same for Microsoft? If Apple can sell 40 of its $h!tty phones, why can't spme one else sell their same? I mean, not all of us see it that way you know. I dont think Windows 8 is that bad, I just dont think its that good. I had it installed on my main laptop, I removed it, but I will be putting it back eventually...just nto right now. I need to wait for a few software updates to happen first. I have no issue with the dual UI overall. What I hate is they dont work together as one. It feel like I am using 2 completely different versions of Windows on one computer.

I would prefer they bring back the start menu with the first Service Pack and make it so I can turn off the Metro UI when I dont want it on. The rest is fine.

Kosh Naranek said,

So you are assuming that one sale = one happy windows 8 user ?
I purchased a win 8 pro license, but I'm not using it anymore.
I reverted back to win 7.
Of course, MS is trying to push this as a success story beyond belief.
It would be more interesting to know how many of the activated copies of win 8 is actually still being used.
Mine is collecting dust until something comes along that fixes the horrible desktop experience.

Maybe you are happy because you found out how stupid YOu are.
First, the Consumer Preview was avail for free for several months.

You actually purchased to find out you dont liek i, when you could have tried it for free and drew the same conclusion?

And then you want ti troll here and tell us you hate it after you bought it? So you want potentially millions of readers to see how stupid you are?

I would never make a fool of myself in public, even if peopel couldnt see my face.

Kosh Naranek said,

Why should I turn it off ?
If I want a certain picture as my background image why should that influence the UI colors ?

No one suggested you turn the wallpaper off. If you don't like the window chrome to change to suit the wallpaper, then explicitly set the colour you wish to use which turns off the automatic window chrome colour feature. It's not hard.

@TechieXP, I've seen bad spelling before, but what you wrote is an unintelligible mess. I tried to read the point you were making, but my brain started to hurt. Fix up the spelling mistakes and proof read first.

Nice one, unfortunately tonight when I tried to upgrade using my promo code I got for my Windows 8 Phone it declined my code. Then I clicked the Buy now button thinking it wouldn't charge me anyway but it did. Now I have to phone them to try and get that sorted, so it seems like there is a problem with the upgrade client in detecting promo codes.

Gaffney said,
Nice one, unfortunately tonight when I tried to upgrade using my promo code I got for my Windows 8 Phone it declined my code. Then I clicked the Buy now button thinking it wouldn't charge me anyway but it did. Now I have to phone them to try and get that sorted, so it seems like there is a problem with the upgrade client in detecting promo codes.

There is also a problem with Paypal purchases. I didnt receive my key either. It took a while before it was resolved. After that mess, getting used to Windows 8 was easy.

I bought a nice touchscreen all-in-one at the beginning of November yet my upgrade request was refused because they said my product key wasn't activated yet... on. an. OEM. COMPUTER! Unbelievable... they don't even know how their activation systems work (most OEM computers come with pre-activated Windows copies tied to the BIOS, they're not activated with every single key they come with).

25 damn days and that poor PC is still there attracting dust: awesome support Microsoft!

francescob said,
I bought a nice touchscreen all-in-one at the beginning of November yet my upgrade request was refused because they said my product key wasn't activated yet... on. an. OEM. COMPUTER! Unbelievable... they don't even know how their activation systems work (most OEM computers come with pre-activated Windows copies tied to the BIOS, they're not activated with every single key they come with).

25 damn days and that poor PC is still there attracting dust: awesome support Microsoft!

Take it back to the store

Ronnet said,

There is also a problem with Paypal purchases. I didnt receive my key either. It took a while before it was resolved. After that mess, getting used to Windows 8 was easy.

Yea the same thing happened to me

Gaffney said,
Nice one, unfortunately tonight when I tried to upgrade using my promo code I got for my Windows 8 Phone it declined my code. Then I clicked the Buy now button thinking it wouldn't charge me anyway but it did. Now I have to phone them to try and get that sorted, so it seems like there is a problem with the upgrade client in detecting promo codes.

Odd, I didnt have a problem. I downloaded the ISO and ordered a backup DVD since I got a discount. Funny thing is, I got an email saying my order was shipped...2wks later nothing. I call and they said I got the email in error so they shipped out my copy that day....and then I get my original order. So I have 2 backup DVD sets for the price of one.

Enron said,

Take it back to the store

After you get your money back go out and get yourself a nice Mac Pro. Things generally work much better, support is top-notch. This of course will save you a lot of time and frustration trying to work with Microsoft products. Will you people ever learn?

MacNewton said,

After you get your money back go out and get yourself a nice Mac Pro. Things generally work much better, support is top-notch. This of course will save you a lot of time and frustration trying to work with Microsoft products. Will you people ever learn?

I don't know where neither of you live but I've never heard of stores taking back stuff you purchased after 25 days, it's barely 7 work days here (but we do get 2 years mandatory warranty though).

MacNewton said,

After you get your money back go out and get yourself a nice Mac Pro. Things generally work much better, support is top-notch. This of course will save you a lot of time and frustration trying to work with Microsoft products. Will you people ever learn?

but Mac doesnt have windows (Unless installed yourself)

MacNewton said,

After you get your money back go out and get yourself a nice Mac Pro. Things generally work much better, support is top-notch. This of course will save you a lot of time and frustration trying to work with Microsoft products. Will you people ever learn?

I tried your advice and got myself a Mac Pro years ago. It has terrible thermal management, causing several components to fail. It also came with missing screws which Apple refused to replace unless I paid for them.

In the future I'll just build my own PC.