Microsoft claims to have seen "record sales of Windows Phone this holiday"

Microsoft is using CES 2014 as a venue to give an update on sales of Windows Phone devices to members of the media. There was already evidence that products using the OS have gained a lot of sales and increased market share in Europe in the past few months and today Microsoft said that it saw those sales increase even more during the recent holiday sales period.

In a statement sent to Neowin by a Microsoft spokesperson, the company said:

We’ve seen record sales of Windows Phone this holiday worldwide, nearly doubling phone sales during Christmas week (YOY). In the third quarter this year, according to IDC, Windows Phone reinforced its position as a top three smartphone operating system and was the fastest-growing platform among the leading operating systems with 156% year-over-year gain. Windows Phone is the #2 smartphone operating system in 14 markets, and shipped more units than iPhone in 24 markets in Q3. Our portfolio continues to expand: from award-winning flagship devices like the Nokia Lumia 928/1020/1520, to affordable new innovations like the Lumia 520/625/1320 and Huawei W1/W2.

Microsoft says the 14 markets where Windows Phone is currently the number two mobile OS are:

  • India
  • Mexico
  • Italy
  • Chile
  • Thailand
  • Vietnam
  • Malaysia
  • Poland
  • South Africa
  • Ukraine
  • Hungary
  • Finland
  • Czech Republic
  • Greece

The 24 markets where Microsoft says Windows Phone devices out-shipped the iPhone are:

  • Chile
  • Colombia
  • Czech Republic
  • Egypt
  • Ecuador
  • Finland
  • Greece
  • Hungary
  • India
  • Italy
  • Kenya
  • Kuwait
  • Malaysia
  • Mexico
  • Nigeria
  • Pakistan
  • Peru
  • Poland
  • Saudi Arabia
  • South Africa
  • Thailand
  • Ukraine
  • United Arab Emirates
  • Vietnam

As usual when Microsoft provided an update on its Windows Phone division, the company did not offer any specific unit sale numbers of those devices.

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I'm sorry, but this list is a lie.

I'm from Chile and on my entire life I've seen no more than 10 persons using Windows telephones, including Windows Mobile, Lumia, etc.

Here Android dominates for sure, due to low and mid-end phones. But iOS is far more used than WP. Even the old BlackBerry is.

"I want a Windows Phone for Christmas!" -- No one Ever

Alright, maybe a few die-hard Windows Phone fans would want a Windows Phone for Christmas. But seriously, the Marketplace is terrible. There's no app currently within the Marketplace that screams, "Get a Windows Phone so you can use me!" And the majority of apps that are there are simply appalling compared to their iOS/Android siblings.

I remember having my iPhone and sending my mother texts through the Facebook messaging. She loved how she can check my location to see where I am. However, when I was testing a Windows Phone and did the same thing: no way to see my location. Just said it was sent "from mobile." It's little things like that that matter for some people. If you're going to try and compete in this consumer market, you need to introduce a product that will compete and not cause people to make sacrifices.

Microsoft is going to throw money at Windows Phone for as long as they desire so, of course, it's going to stick around. But I never see it taking the reigns off of the competition - ever. Microsoft just doesn't know how to appeal to the consumer.

srprimeaux said,
"I want a Windows Phone for Christmas!" -- No one Ever

Alright, maybe a few die-hard Windows Phone fans would want a Windows Phone for Christmas. But seriously, the Marketplace is terrible. There's no app currently within the Marketplace that screams, "Get a Windows Phone so you can use me!" And the majority of apps that are there are simply appalling compared to their iOS/Android siblings.

I remember having my iPhone and sending my mother texts through the Facebook messaging. She loved how she can check my location to see where I am. However, when I was testing a Windows Phone and did the same thing: no way to see my location. Just said it was sent "from mobile." It's little things like that that matter for some people. If you're going to try and compete in this consumer market, you need to introduce a product that will compete and not cause people to make sacrifices.

Microsoft is going to throw money at Windows Phone for as long as they desire so, of course, it's going to stick around. But I never see it taking the reigns off of the competition - ever. Microsoft just doesn't know how to appeal to the consumer.

What a load of codswallop!
If you'd buy a phone just to use a single app, you are pretty dumb, my friend.

Windows Phone is growing, Apple is sinking (the sooner the better) lol

srprimeaux said,
...
I remember having my iPhone and sending my mother texts through the Facebook messaging. She loved how she can check my location.....

And on the other end of the spectrum, I've owned Samsung Focus, LG Quantum, HTC Radar, Lumia 800 and now Lumia 920,

I prefer to check in using built in to the many social networks that WP supports in a single UI.

I like my messaging app is an aggregation of FB chat, Messenger (skype chat), and Text messaging.

And yes, the Lumia920 is what I asked for, for Christmas, in 2012.

@srprimeaux, I agree, no one ever said - 'I want a Windows Phone for Xmas' This is a big problem for MS, their mobile phone platform has no excitement, sure its fast and fluid on low end hardware, yay! Even the people who like it don't get all gushy and excited about it. People say that Windows Phone is 'good' and 'nice to use.'

The Windows Phone platform lacks the excitement and mindshare that other phone platforms have, sales numbers support this. If windows phones excited more people then Windows Phones would sell better and there would be a buzz. As much as Microsoft tries there has never been a buzz about Windows Phone. Windows phone will sell in some niche markets because they are cheap. If you need a cheap phone and Windows Phone is all that is on offer you will probably buy a Windows Phone.

Makes sense since WP hasn't had a greater foothold than in 2013 and the holidays are the greatest shopping season of the year.

I was one of those who bought one last month in Malaysia (Lumia 1020). I think I bought it at just the right time because the amount of official apps (international and local) being released since I've bought it has been astounding! I do not regret getting it as I've been disillusioned by Android and their very slow upgrade schedule.

Scirwode

Its either bad judgement or a bias people have for one of the 'other 2' but this whole attitude that its purely budget phones and there's no benefit along with the comments about 3rd world countries (which is a joke, most listed have great economies) is stupid.

i know a lot of the phones sold are budget, but this misses the point entirely as it doesn't actually matter, its getting the OS into the mindshare of people and raising the profile. This is what is needed as a first step for every consumer related tech out there.

also take into account the bias you find in phone shops where staff push android or ios devices meaning that these people buying are actually specifying wp as their choice and not the other way around - once the mindshare of the staff in shops is also converted to some degree the sales will ramp up significantly, most who i speak to haven't used a wp device since 7 and are woefully uneducated about the OS.

the facts are that its increasing, very fast, and more people are being seen with the devices and are very happy with them because they work well, don't lag, have great ootb cloud support and the app gap is getting very small.

i have a new 1020 and can say its the best phone I've used, and yes i have used android and ios devices, i just prefer the live tile interface of wp and the camera on this phone is absolutely amazing, not just a little jump but a giant leap in terms of features and quality.

once wp8.1 hits and we have vpn, notification center and other bits a LOT more people and companies will jump ship and the numbers will balloon!

If you buy a cheap phone, perhaps the cheapest you can find then there is no 'mindshare', you got a bright yellow cheap phone, its just a phone and you make calls. You do little else with the phone ever. At some point the phone ends up dead in a drawer and you get another cheap phone to replace it.

derekaw said,
If you buy a cheap phone, perhaps the cheapest you can find then there is no 'mindshare', you got a bright yellow cheap phone, its just a phone and you make calls. You do little else with the phone ever. At some point the phone ends up dead in a drawer and you get another cheap phone to replace it.

sorry but i disagree there, the more people using wp and its unique UI will increase mindshare, also while i think some people that buy on the cheaper end are like you say, the only people i know personally that have bought one (and that is 6 people over the Christmas period alone) do not fit this description. They are using skydrive now and all their contacts are backed up (they found this out without my assistance) and love it. Some are ex iphone users and one is my friends son, he has an iphone and after setting up/helping his son use the phone (a lumia 520) and seeing how fluid it runs even on this budget phone has said he'll be jumping ship when contract expires for a top wp model (he wants the 1020 like me for the camera but they'll likely be better options when the time comes).

point is the more people using a wp device, the more exposure it gets. The fluidity of the UI and how nice it is to use cant be portrayed properly in static images and tv adverts, it needs to be used to be appreciated, and the more phones out there the more this will happen.

mindshare, its a silly word but there is logic behind it, and it is needed for wp to break that barrier and make devs sit up and take note.


This is awesome news if you want a business based on selling cheap phones to people with almost no money who can only afford your dirt cheap phone.

Cheap = little to no brand loyalty
Cheap = little to spend on apps and services in your ecosystem

If someone cheaper comes along then WP sales numbers will slide. The low end is for the company that produces phones at the cheapest price.

derekaw said,
This is awesome news if you want a business based on selling cheap phones to people with almost no money who can only afford your dirt cheap phone.

Cheap = little to no brand loyalty
Cheap = little to spend on apps and services in your ecosystem

If someone cheaper comes along then WP sales numbers will slide. The low end is for the company that produces phones at the cheapest price.

But if someone buys a budget phone and are happy with it, how it operates and functions smoothly while not bugging out or causing frustration, then they are likely to come back not based on brand loyalty, but from experience. Plus brand loyalty usually goes to the phone maker, not the OS (most people i know with android based phones have never heard of android, they bought 'that htc or Samsung' they saw on tv or a friend had one.
wp ui is unique enough to make it obvious that the phone is similar no matter what oem makes it, so someone happy with a phone running wp that goes back into a shop for upgrade will have an easy time picking out another if that's what they want to do.

with android and the number of skins and interfaces its confusing, making it easy for the none techy is what made apple so successful and wp is doing the same, the OS stands out on shelves and the OEM bit is simply the size/material/colour/design of the case, they all are clearly running wp and anyone that has used and liked it will find it easy to stick with it.

Wall-swe said,
And iPhone users buy a lot of apps? Funny nonone I know feel the need to pay for apps in IOS.

Multiple studies show that iOS users buy far more apps and spend more money in the stores than other users. Don't deny the facts please.

http://www.businessinsider.com/ios-android-shopping-2013-12

For a starter…

derekaw has a good point. I think that MS will gain quite some market share in the future though. At least I hope so.

Xabier Granja said,
Problem is, there will never be a $100 iPhone. It directly contradicts Apple's perceived value philosophy.
True

I has been statistically demonstrated that WP users actually spend WAY more than Android users on apps and sometimes more than iOS. Learn the facts or please don't contaminate this thread.

derekaw said,
.....

Says who?

The only stats I've heard about apps and cheap phones is that Android users don't pay for apps.

Windows Phone trial to paid app adoption is higher in markets that offer carrier based billing. (Quite possibly due to no credit cards from people who purchase cheap phones).

Phablet users buy less apps. (because websites are useable on phabs)

So yes, there is enough momentum with WP in the global smartphone market that developers should consider porting. Ultimately once threshold release for WP W8 is released, they'd be foolish not to.

none of those poor 24 countries sell a lot of iPhone to begin with. they sell maybe 100k devices and showing off low cost device compared to premium device is just too desperate

Jundor said,

You seem not to know Berlusconi?


What does that have to do with Italy's GDP compared to a third world country? It's a ridiculous comparison.

rfirth said,

You seem to have a pretty low opinion of Italy...


Not to mention the UAE... The world's 7th highest GDP per capita; home of Arab oil lords.

Maybe a visit to Dubai would change his mind. He might even come across a prince with a gold plated iPhone.

Edited by Northgrove, Jan 7 2014, 11:47am :

How so? It's a record sales compared to previous years... every year they're total growth has increased while the other platforms are slowly decreasing. Therefore not in their head... it's only going up from here.

Mr. Black said,
Windows phone record sales?
All in Microsoft's head...wishful thinking as usual.

It probably is true, but the "record" sales are going to be just a small % of other OS sales.

It's not all low end. My Nokia 1020 is pretty high end spec-wise, and has that fantastic camera and a bigger screen than iPhone, for $300 or so less money. But I've always had to beg my carrier to bring me a Windows phone in my small town 'cause they love to push Android Android Android...

This is what happens here, every shop I go to its either Iphone or Android, you actually have to ask them for the Windows phone. I ended up just buying one online because I could get it in the colour I wanted.

I got a guy fired for pushing Android on me last time. I specifically asked for a Lumia 1020 and he was saying it was stupid and Android is the way to go (total Android fanboy). I simply walked out, called his manager and complained and told him his staff need to learn to be unbiased and learn what their phones actually do.... went there again recently, they told me the guy's not there anymore... lol. Everyone needs to start doing that to get people to stop being so unbiased and learn to actually do their job.

j2006 said,
I got a guy fired for pushing Android on me last time. I specifically asked for a Lumia 1020 and he was saying it was stupid and Android is the way to go (total Android fanboy). I simply walked out, called his manager and complained and told him his staff need to learn to be unbiased and learn what their phones actually do.... went there again recently, they told me the guy's not there anymore... lol. Everyone needs to start doing that to get people to stop being so unbiased and learn to actually do their job.

Did you confirm it was your complaint that caused that?

All it's going to do is drive more users away from the OS, because Microsoft are absolutely ****ing useless at feature updates, and getting this OS up to a standard where it can actually be compared to the other big two.

I love the OS. I love my Lumias. But **** me, I need some features, right ****ing now. I'm sick of waiting for basic features.

It's coming. That's why I've held off on my next WP, waiting for 8.1. I hope it's all I dreamed of and more.

Enron said,
It's coming. That's why I've held off on my next WP, waiting for 8.1. I hope it's all I dreamed of and more.

It's been a very long time coming.

Enron said,
It's coming. That's why I've held off on my next WP, waiting for 8.1. I hope it's all I dreamed of and more.

you will have to wait for another year or so

me thinks Its gonna be a good year for WP... My mrs just bought the Lumia 1520, and boy oh boy does that raise the bar... Having WP on a big screen is just incredible... She has come from Android and just loves the UI of WP, so efficient and just makes sense the way its laid out...

Having these options will increase awareness and adoptions...

so MS is telling us they have been somewhat successful in a handful of third-world countries...with their entire line up competing against a single phone? Theres some things that aren't worth bragging about

Sonne said,
so MS is telling us they have been somewhat successful in a handful of third-world countries...with their entire line up competing against a single phone? Theres some things that aren't worth bragging about

You need to look up what a third world country is and, look at the countries listed.

Italy, Poland, Greece, Hungry, Finland. yep those third world counties.

IsItPluggedIn said,

You need to look up what a third world country is and, look at the countries listed.

Italy, Poland, Greece, Hungry, Finland. yep those third world counties.


did you ever visit those except of Finland?

IsItPluggedIn said,

You need to look up what a third world country is and, look at the countries listed.

… … … Hungry … …. yep those third world counties.

Enough said ;-)

Sonne said,
so MS is telling us they have been somewhat successful in a handful of third-world countries...with their entire line up competing against a single phone? Theres some things that aren't worth bragging about

I think it was the same story with android few years back. if it wasn't for samsung's high end devices (which is android on steroids) still it would have been the case that android is popular in third world's countries.

so no real stats, just empty, unproven statements of sales and perceived market share. Yup. Confuse the consumer, pump false PR about phone sales and stats. Never trust MS when it comes to being upfront. They are basically just low balling the cheap, entry level markets in underdeveloped countries to gain traction, but higher end smartphones is where they lose to android and iOS in the developed world.

Maybe people are buying the low end Windows Phones because they're actually REALLY GOOD and offer a great value for the price compared to the low end Androids on the market still running old versions of the OS with no supported upgrades.

I guess you think Microsoft is totally making up these numbers because that's not illegal or anything, right?

Kaa-Ching said,
They are basically just low balling the cheap, entry level markets in underdeveloped countries to gain traction

as an android fan, isn't that how it gained traction?

pot calling the kettle black

Enron said,
Maybe people are buying the low end Windows Phones because they're actually REALLY GOOD and offer a great value for the price compared to the low end Androids on the market still running old versions of the OS with no supported upgrades.

I guess you think Microsoft is totally making up these numbers because that's not illegal or anything, right?

or people are buying because they are real cheap.. Wp is similar to feature phone.. sometime people dont care what OS they have

fredrichman said,

...Wp is similar to feature phone..

I don't think anyone can take your comment seriously after that...

fredrichman said,

or people are buying because they are real cheap.. Wp is similar to feature phone.. sometime people dont care what OS they have

Please go check out a Windows Phone before you make another comment related to WP. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

denial? Lol, learn the definition of denial. There is no hard, cold stats to work with. Give us exact stats of devices sold in each country, instead of these one liners like "our brand grown 156% etc". That's not stats. Jesus

yeh, lumia are good for the price, but let's not kid ourself. If you buy a cheap lumia, expect to wait a very long time for updates/basic features, and to be forgotten as soon as a new model comes out.

how about linking me to a spreadsheat, or hard cold facts? See you simply can't, because MS doesn't want people to know the true state of sales/marketshare. Its all this PR nonsense which ends of taking the consumer from behind.

Kaa-Ching said,
how about linking me to a spreadsheat, or hard cold facts? See you simply can't, because MS doesn't want people to know the true state of sales/marketshare. Its all this PR nonsense which ends of taking the consumer from behind.

Don't share real figures -> take consumer from behind

That's a big leap you're making. Care to expand on your reasoning?

I can understand why Microsoft wouldn't want to share real figures. They're still insigificcant compared to Android. Would you share such figures? Even if they succeed at gaining 400% growth they would still be outsold by Android 40 to 1. News coverage would make headlines such as: Android outsells Windows 40 to 1. This is also an unfair comparison as Android runs on more devices from more OEMs. So until WP figures are impressive on their own they wont be shared.

Kaa-Ching said,
yeh, lumia are good for the price, but let's not kid ourself. If you buy a cheap lumia, expect to wait a very long time for updates/basic features, and to be forgotten as soon as a new model comes out.

microsoft has a program where anyone can upgrade to the latest version when released, essentially bypassing the oems and carriers. because it is windows, any device can upgrade, sort of like windows update for PCs. when Update 3 rolled around, many people upgraded, from lumia 520s up to the latest models,without being at the mercy of oems and carriers. Windows Phone 8.1 will be the same.

@j2006 I take @fredrichman's comment seriously. A cheap phone is a cheap phone. I bet the people buying these dirt cheap phones have no idea what OS it runs. This is just like when people purchased feature phones, no one knew or cared what OS it ran. I bet the people buying low end Windows Phones don't buy any apps, don't use the ecosystem and use the phone like a feature phone. When these people need a new phone they will buy the cheapest new phone they can find.

derekaw said,
@j2006 I take @fredrichman's comment seriously. A cheap phone is a cheap phone. I bet the people buying these dirt cheap phones have no idea what OS it runs. This is just like when people purchased feature phones, no one knew or cared what OS it ran. I bet the people buying low end Windows Phones don't buy any apps, don't use the ecosystem and use the phone like a feature phone. When these people need a new phone they will buy the cheapest new phone they can find.

But you say that like there are no cheap Android phones or tablets available. If anything, cheap tablets is what Android is all about when it comes to competing against iPad.

As usual when Microsoft provided an update on its Windows Phone division, the company did not offer any specific unit sale numbers of those devices.

hate when companies do this.

techbeck said,

hate when companies do this.

Me too but its understandable, I would do the same if I were in charge. Windows Phone is making gains but its not there yet. Sales would look insignificant in comparison to Android. Naturally it would be unfair to compare the sales of a much larger pool of devices and OEMs to WP but this is what newspapers will do. They will make headlines such as 'Android outsells Windows 40 to 1'. There is no way Microsoft can come out positive even if they have 400% growth YOY.

Of course...it is the holidays. Sales for a lot of companies have been much better. In other news, the sky is blue, water is wet, and women have secrets

techbeck said,
Of course...it is the holidays. Sales for a lot of companies have been much better. In other news, the sky is blue, water is wet, and women have secrets

samsungs expects profits to be down 18% from last quarter on softer smartphone sales. source: cnet

So? Lots of companies report record sales around the holidays and its the same reports every holidays. People increase shopping around Thanksgiving/Christmas. Sales are going to be better with deals, sale prices....this is no big surprise.

vcfan said,

samsungs expects profits to be down 18% from last quarter on softer smartphone sales. source: cnet

And I wonder what is the margin on $100 device like the Lumia 520 and one like the Lumia 1020....

techbeck said,
So? Lots of companies report record sales around the holidays and its the same reports every holidays. People increase shopping around Thanksgiving/Christmas. Sales are going to be better with deals, sale prices....this is no big surprise.

I think you missed what he is saying. People are buying more Windows Phones during 2013 holidays than they did in the 2012 holidays. If WP was a dud, sales would have decreased.

Fritzly said,

And I wonder what is the margin on $100 device like the Lumia 520 and one like the Lumia 1020....

how is that relevant to the discussion?? im pointing out that in the holiday quarter, Samsung profits dropped from last quarter because of weaker smartphone sales.

vcfan said,

how is that relevant to the discussion?? im pointing out that in the holiday quarter, Samsung profits dropped from last quarter because of weaker smartphone sales.

Because if a "surge" in sales is fueled by low end devices while your high end ones decrease the scenario would be the same.

techbeck said,
Of course...it is the holidays. Sales for a lot of companies have been much better. In other news, the sky is blue, water is wet, and women have secrets

sky is blue but question is what is your problem?

But, but, but... WP doesn't have <insert whatever app WP currently doesn't have here and act like its a deal-breaker even though you wouldn't use it even it was available> !!!

Most apps people need/want are already there... check out wpcentral for the amount of official apps and games that have been jumping on to wp8 in the past few weeks alone

North Korea is the best Korea and we know so because North Korean literature says so.

If there's one thing I've learned through the internet its to treat statistics from companies on their own products with scepticism

Unless if Dear Leader Tim Cook tells us what to believe, then we should not disagree with the truth he gives us and spread word about the Glorious Revolution to the future Comrades who have not seen the light of the most wonderful way.

Javik said,
North Korea is the best Korea and we know so because North Korean literature says so.

If there's one thing I've learned through the internet its to treat statistics from companies on their own products with scepticism


except independent data backs this up and its been on the cards a long time, wp market share is increasing very fast and denial will only make you look foolish.

WhatTheSchmidt said,
Unless if Dear Leader Tim Cook tells us what to believe, then we should not disagree with the truth he gives us and spread word about the Glorious Revolution to the future Comrades who have not seen the light of the most wonderful way.

Haha, hypocrites are just so much fun. I believe I saw some leader from some famous company repeatedly shouting to the public, something about developers? Guess he wanted to tend to his flock of mindless followers?

Too easy.

Jundor said,

Haha, hypocrites are just so much fun. I believe I saw some leader from some famous company repeatedly shouting to the public, something about developers? Guess he wanted to tend to his flock of mindless followers?

Too easy.

Yes, because yelling "developers, developers, developers" to support developers is bad, but some guy talking about what you can do to support and make his company richer is good.

How sad, the iPhone being beat in 24 different countries by the phone that everyone likes to say has no apps, is ugly, has no services dedicated to many of those countries, and so many other horrible things. And yet, iPhone can't even match the sales of such a bad phone.

"everyone" being iTrolls and Android fanbois.... remember, internet commenters do not equal the general public.

I was going to guess 2 instead of 1. Out of all the years since they started with WIndows phone 7 i've seen 1 person who had one.

Understanding it's a joke, it's pretty much the same thing Apple do when they release their yearly phone. All the itards bin last years model and jump in line, a few people who are off a 24 month contract from when the prior model was released will auto purchase without looking at what else is around and a handful of new customers will be picked up AND BINGO highest selling iPhone ever!!

warwagon said,
I was going to guess 2 instead of 1. Out of all the years since they started with WIndows phone 7 i've seen 1 person who had one.

It took a long time but over the last six months or so I've seen quite a few people at complete random who have Windows Phones, which I think is pretty cool and somewhat telling of its gaining popularity.

warwagon said,
I was going to guess 2 instead of 1. Out of all the years since they started with WIndows phone 7 i've seen 1 person who had one.

When I was in Europe, I saw a lot of people with Lumia 1020s. I was actually quite surprised!

warwagon said,
I was going to guess 2 instead of 1. Out of all the years since they started with WIndows phone 7 i've seen 1 person who had one.

lol funny..... unfortunately some people dont get the joke

spenser.d said,

It took a long time but over the last six months or so I've seen quite a few people at complete random who have Windows Phones, which I think is pretty cool and somewhat telling of its gaining popularity.


Canada here - seeing more and more every day as well ... I'm seeing tons of Surfaces around the city too... they're selling like hot cakes. The "Windows Stores in Best Buy" (and Future Shop) and the Microsoft retail stores... make big differences I find as people didn't seem to get exposed to the products before they started opening around town. Especially since cell phone shops always have troll biased sellers there that need to get their asses kicked.

SharpGreen said,
What, they sold 5 devices instead of 3? lol


(that was a joke. please don't kill me )

yes if you compare to my company 30 people 5 wp, 2 iphone, 2dumb phone, rest android ... yes 5>2

Enron said,

When I was in Europe, I saw a lot of people with Lumia 1020s. I was actually quite surprised!

yes, outside the US a -LOT- of things are different ;-P

Enron said,

When I was in Europe, I saw a lot of people with Lumia 1020s. I was actually quite surprised!


must have been a different Europe I haven't seen a 1020 in the wild

I've got 24 customers on Windows phones in my tiny little town of population 6,000, because that's what I recommended to them. Not one person has said they dislike the phone, just the opposite. All were new to smartphones. And all the really wanted was their email, contacts, calendars and files to be available on all their devices.

All this competition that everyone wants has done nothing more than make most average consumers more confused than ever. I put them balls deep into the MS ecosystem, and all their "Stuff" appears on all their devices. That's all they ever really wanted out of all this technology. 3 battling ecosystems is great for those that understand this crap, and a virtual nightmare for those that don't.

Awesome news for those of us who want three viable options to choose from in mobile. Developers please take notice.

Enron said,
Awesome news for those of us who want three viable options to choose from in mobile. Developers please take notice.

This, when developers take WP seriously it can gain ground fast and we have some healthy competition (and choice) which is great.