Microsoft confirms no Windows 7 beta 2, RC details

Stephen Sinofsky, Vice President, Windows and Windows Live Engineering Group at Microsoft, has written a blog post to everyone testing the Windows 7 Beta giving out details about skipping the Windows 7 Beta 2, and going directly to the Release Candidate (RC) build, also known as a Beta refresh. The Release Candidate will be the last testing phase of the Windows 7 fully featured operating system before the final version of Release to Manufacturing (RTM) build, which ships to companies and consumers all around the globe.

The engineering team said in their blog post that "At the peak we were receiving one "Send Feedback" note every 15 seconds!" giving an impression just how much feedback Microsoft is receiving during the Beta phase. The blog also suggests that Microsoft is watching and reading peoples blogs and forums about the impression of Windows 7, and accommodating accordingly to peoples impressions of the Beta.

We can expect to see bug fixes and some improvements overall in the Release Candidate, as the team has been fixing issues with smaller things such as keyboards, cameras and other devices providing it doesn't affect performance, behaviour, compatibility, or reliability.

No dates were given on the Release Candidate (RC) or the Release to Manufacturing (RTM), but we can expect the Windows 7 Beta will be very similar to the final version we can expect in stores later this year.

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I use the beta as main OS and even though it's solid performance wise, it's not ready for the consumers yet. they still have quite some work to do to refine the UX and UI and general presentation. Although it may seem like a final product already it's not quite polished yet which it needs to be.

For me, W7 Beta 1 feels like a RC, it is very stable, no major compatibility problems, same Vista driver schema, and as NEUFUSE said, they've been working on it for two years now.

For the people that think this is rushed... They've been working on it, what two years now? They started work on it even before Vista was complete as lab projects... and comapred to OSX, the release cycle is about the same, OSX has what 12 to 19 month release cycles? this is in the same time frame, so its no more rushed then OSX

I really enjoy the W7 beta, and I am using it full time as an OS, because that's the only way to discover bugs not clear to the eye.

I think all the comments in here about microsoft "rushing" Windows 7, and "fanboys all swallow everything microsoft do raw" and so on, are just what I like to call;

"obsessive disagreement disorder"

People that just CANNOT say one positive thing about ANYTHING that other people are positive about.

It's so sad that people are willing to accept so many bugs in their software, no wonder Microsoft has been willing to put out so many half baked version and sell them anyways.

The attitude here should be keep testing it until it's actually done. That would mean a couple more betas being put out before the RTM in 2010.

hardgiant said,
It's so sad that people are willing to accept so many bugs in their software, no wonder Microsoft has been willing to put out so many half baked version and sell them anyways.

The attitude here should be keep testing it until it's actually done. That would mean a couple more betas being put out before the RTM in 2010.


If you keep testing an OS untill every bug is fixed it will never be released. If you really think it is possible to release bugfree software you have never ever in you live programmed

Given W7 is most likely tracking Vista SP2 save for UI and some other issues... why not?
Realize the codebase W7 is working from and consider WS2008R2 and VSP2 are hitting RC, W7 is right there.

Few remember that MS is using the same code base now, Whenever they find a problem in Vista or Server 2k8, when that's fixed it's also fixed in Win7.

Using a single code base for all 3 speeds up development times now.

Beta 1 is VERY stable and I've only come across 1 or 2 issues (albeit with other programs installed, so the core of it is fine). I think we'll possibly see a release in June.

Hi,

- We knew from the beginning that the only beta would be Beta 1 ! Why are people complaining NOW ? Microsoft are not rushing things, they're just sticking to what they said.

if you ask me beta 1 feels like a finished OS and id be happy enough if it was. i love it the way it is but if they make it any better we're in for a treat

so things like msi installer crappin its nappy should happen in a rtm os should it not to mention various other programs not installing evan when using various modes of compatability there's also still a lot of driver issues to resolved >coughcough< ati nvidia and a few others

Budious said,
When dealing with Windows, you're always a Guinea Pig until SP1 is available.

Maybe you should try the Windows 7 beta?

I think you'll find Microsoft know what they're doing this time and have learnt from any past mistakes in regards to development

Well, I for one LIKE IT. I installed it when it was released to the public on my E1505 with 2 gig ram and have had
NO issues related to the OS itself. I have two software issues with 3rd party software, that I had to use XP compatibility mode to get working, but that was it. It's what "Vista" probably should have been.

It's being rushed out the door, just like Vista.
Windows7 is in better overall shape than Vista but it's still a rush job with corners cut.

Denholm said,
It's being rushed out the door, just like Vista.
Windows7 is in better overall shape than Vista but it's still a rush job with corners cut.

Go read up on the release history of Windows, and then come back here when you get a clue.

What corners are being cut? I've used every publically released version of Win7 since 6801 and it is by far the fastest and most stable beta OS I've ever tested and that includes Windows back to Win98 and numerous Linux OS's.

I'm very impressed with Beta 1 of Win7, doesn't surprise me if they really do jump to RC.
I have no issues with it and will upgrade to 7 from XP (tho I'll do a clean full install for that).
I find it faster, sleek and easy to use. It's deff an upgrade from xp, and a renewal from Vista but cleaned up.
This should've been Vista, I guess this is their second chance before more people run to Apple.. lol

in my experiences of installing it on my HP laptop, i found beta 1 to be a step back from m3.
if i put the laptop to sleep, after a while it just shuts down and there's a log in the event viewer about kernel power... this never happened with the m3 build.
but with some of the features, notably the aero snap (i think it's called, where you can move windows to the edges and it fits 1/2 of the screen, etc...) i really like. xp just seems old and tired in comparison, i don't know why anyone would want to stay with it.
if they get that sleep bug fixed (which i reported), i'd have no complaints.

There should be a beta 2, beta 3, RC1, RC2, and finally RTM in 2010.

The theme looks to much like Vista and there are plenty of nagging bugs that they seem to always skip.

Beta 1 is pretty solid but still feels half done.

hardgiant said,
The theme looks to much like Vista...

So, what? I actually like Vista's theme. In Windows Vista, people complained that it was pointless eye candy. Now people want it to change again?

TCLN Ryster said,
So, what? I actually like Vista's theme. In Windows Vista, people complained that it was pointless eye candy. Now people want it to change again?

Most people I showed Windows 7 to said "it just looks like Vista" and walk away. That isn't good news for Microsoft, they need a new inspired theme.

Also Windows XP, Vista and Seven all have pointless eye candy but the end user should be able to have several professional designed themes to choose from, I don't get why Microsoft is so lazy about that.

Double-edged sword, That.

From one side, I agree that if you want people to come with an open mind after all the Vista FUD spreading around, You want a completely new look. Social Engineering.

On the other hand, I don't think anything is wrong with Aero as a theme - I used to modify my XP theme alot before moving to Vista and i never needed to switch Aero to something else. What's more, You want people to understand that the visual look does not represent the work done - Many of the changes are usually backend, Or even if they are usabilityvisual changes - They might not be clearly visible from just the themedesktop.

Intelman said,
IE8 is 7's weakest point. I think they can pull off a summer release easily.

IE8 is Microsoft's best ever browser by far.

thealexweb said,
IE8 is Microsoft's best ever browser by far.

Indeed; if Win7 uses IE8 RC1, it'll be solid. The version of IE8 with the Win7 Beta seems to have rendering issues, but the RC1 version on my Vista install is working perfectly. I think IE8 is pretty much ready for release after using the RC.

The build on win7 beta one is pretty older than IE8RC1. I think it's just a bit newer than beta 2 actually, but I can' be sure.

I've also been using IE8RC1 on my system and it's working great, performance is up, stability is up. Now to just work on more standards and get better Javascript performance.

The rest is just features like a download manager etc that people still want.

Dual-booting Win7 beta and Vista SP2 RC1 v275 on my main system, Win7 runs great and Vista improves with each update.

Funny they say their "skipping" beta 2 when the Windows 7 Beta out now is "beta 2", beta 1 is better known as Windows Vista and amazingly you had to buy it...

computergeek83 said,
Funny they say their "skipping" beta 2 when the Windows 7 Beta out now is "beta 2", beta 1 is better known as Windows Vista and amazingly you had to buy it...
amazingly, I didn't buy it

Beta 1 was Windows Vista? Ha! Yeah right!

Are you trying to say Windows XP was pre-beta to Windows 7?

Pfft!

What was Windows 98 then? Windows 95? Very early alpha releases!?

Don't make me laugh!

Windows Vista is now a solid operating system. It's not Microsoft's fault if you do not have the hardware to support it (the hardware needed now comes with most computers and laptops as standard and is very cheap).

I've had no problems with Windows Vista since I purchased it in February 2007. In fact, I had more problems with Windows XP!

Since I am using Windows 7 as a main OS on three computers (one high performer, one notebook, and one nettop), I would have to say that a June RTM would be appropiate.

DClark said,
Since I am using Windows 7 as a main OS on three computers (one high performer, one notebook, and one nettop), I would have to say that a June RTM would be appropiate.

it's already RC for over a month. every upcoming build could be final. so i think february-march public RC with many language packs and april-may RTM

The blog also suggests that Microsoft is watching and reading peoples blogs and forums about the impression of Windows 7

I think I know who it is here at Neowin

._.

That's a good thing that they are paying attention to thw Windows 7 feedback, at least they are trying to make an effort to do something right.

TCLN Ryster said,
That would explain all the "wont fix" and "by design" closure messages then. ;-)

Yes, it would. If something is "by design" it is supposed to be like that (and most of use would probably prefer it that way - it's 'by design' for a reason) - that is everything except security issues like the UAC malware thing...

If something is tagged as "won't fix", it is very minor and not important. It would probably slow down the development of Windows 7.

Not everything people send feedback on is a real security problem or a bug. Many of those reports are for UI changes someone doesn't like, or a feature that doesn't do something they want.

The UAC thing is a problem, but when MS says it's by design it means so in the context of that security setting. Up the UAC setting to max on Win7 and it's not an issue. The fix is there, you use it or you turn the security settings lower and take the risk.

On the other hand, MS could just prompt whenever UAC is being changed itself, regardless of the setting, and that'd be the end of it.

GP007 said,
On the other hand, MS could just prompt whenever UAC is being changed itself, regardless of the setting, and that'd be the end of it.


No, it wouldn't.

The Windows Beta is actually very stable. I'm confident by RC it's going to be a near perfect product.

Btw : Can we get LTD banned from commenting on Windows articles?

Popcorned1 said,
The Windows Beta is actually very stable. I'm confident by RC it's going to be a near perfect product.

Btw : Can we get LTD banned from commenting on Windows articles?

I agree, Windows 7 is really looking good!

As for your other comment... I second that.

I'm entitled as much as anyone else.

If you think it seems rushed, and have misgivings about it, you're free to voice them.


dead.cell said,
Only if we can ban C_Guy. :)

I actually find myself agreeing with him more often these days.

He seems to hate Windows and Mac equally. LOL, does that make it better?

LTD said,
I'm entitled as much as anyone else.

If you think it seems rushed, and have misgivings about it, you're free to voice them.


Perhaps you should look at your history and figure out why everyone finds you comments on Windows discussions annoying?

bob_c_b said,

Perhaps you should look at your history and figure out why everyone finds you comments on Windows discussions annoying?

I don't particularly care. I say what I have to say and you either support it or you don't. If I actually allowed myself to feel annoyed at people on the internet I wouldn't even go online.

Live with it.

Everybody's entitled to their own opinions. Banning somebody for having an opinion is ludicrous. Some people around here just can't take the fact that everybody else doesn't exactly share the same thoughts. We are all human beings! Get over it!

And here's my opinion: you all are a bunch of children! So ban me!

I don't think LTD needs banning from anything at all, he just needs to try the current Windows Vista on modern (average) hardware and also he needs to try Windows 7 beta, before he makes any comments.

Otherwise his opinions are pointless.

Just like somebody bashing a Mac needs to try a Mac out or their opinions on that matter are pointless.

Except his opinions usually border on trolling. If he hates Microsoft so much why bother posting in Windows articles at all.

LTD said,
I actually find myself agreeing with him more often these days.

He seems to hate Windows and Mac equally. LOL, does that make it better?

Oh, I find him quite despicable. You at least have bring reasons and facts to an argument. It's your opinions I sometimes don't agree with though...

C_Guy on the other hand just wears a tinfoil hat and makes stuff up, without ever answering anything that counters his blind faith. That kind of stuff really bothers me, ya know? People willing to believe anything and everything, being spoon-fed by those they idolize; especially those known to have a good degree of intelligence.

LTD said,
I'm entitled as much as anyone else.

If you think it seems rushed, and have misgivings about it, you're free to voice them.


I tested Vista when it was prebeta through RTM. I have also used Windows 7 Beta. Based on how Windows 7 beta is doing, it is a lot better then Vista was at RC stage. I am looking forward to seeing the RC version of Windows 7.

dead.cell said,


Oh, I find him quite despicable. You at least have bring reasons and facts to an argument. It's your opinions I sometimes don't agree with though...

C_Guy on the other hand just wears a tinfoil hat and makes stuff up, without ever answering anything that counters his blind faith. That kind of stuff really bothers me, ya know? People willing to believe anything and everything, being spoon-fed by those they idolize; especially those known to have a good degree of intelligence.


Lighten up, Francis. C_Guy has not made one comment this whole thread, and you're bashing him. If it bothers you that much, don't reply to his comments. It's that easy.

LTD said,


I don't particularly care. I say what I have to say and you either support it or you don't. If I actually allowed myself to feel annoyed at people on the internet I wouldn't even go online.

Live with it.


So to summarize, I troll Windows threads and I know I annoy people. Okay, got it.

The Beta runs and performs beautifully. The issues from the Beta have either been fixed, or looked at, aside of the rare issue. the RC should show the true beauty behind 7.

actually there are still some programs that wont install um Alcohol120% springs to mind but atleast they fixed the file copy/move bug that used to REALY anoy me no end in vista

Isn't that more an Alcohol 120% problem though? If it installs on Vista it should install on Win7.

I just think it's the app maker who has to update his app if for some reason it won't install or run right when MS doesn't change APIs.

Isn't that more an Alcohol 120% problem though? If it installs on Vista it should install on Win7.

Uh, why? Because Microsoft is perfect and there are no compatibility issues despite kernel changes?

Jugalator said,
Uh, why? Because Microsoft is perfect and there are no compatibility issues despite kernel changes?

No, its only because the program is not compatible. Changes are to be done to the programs, same with Vista.

Many programs already support Windows 7 and works fine, even without any change. The rest needs to add the support.

but it's fine now. i don't see how them rushing it could make it worse. and tbh any issues could be fixed with windows update.

mad_onion said,
but it's fine now. i don't see how them rushing it could make it worse. and tbh any issues could be fixed with windows update.

It is still missing some basic things like the week numbers and the Windows Explorer is still using words "kilobyte", "megabyte", ... incorrectly.

See the blog: http://windows7critics.blogspot.com/

Yes, I have tried both 32-bit and 64-bit Windows 7 Beta 1 and it's quite fast and stable, but why to rush things?

In my opinion it should go like this to not to rush:
Windows 7 Beta 2 (Q2 2009)
Windows 7 RC 1 (July 2009)
Windows 7 RC 2 (August/September 2009)

Urvabara said,
It is still missing some basic things like the week numbers and the Windows Explorer is still using words "kilobyte", "megabyte", ... incorrectly.


Err, it's using them the way that they've been used since the dawn of modern computing.

Marshalus said,
Have either of you actually used the beta? Or are you just trolling for the sake of it.

I would say option #2.

I don't see how. We've known for some time now that Windows 7's beta process was going to be short, with only one beta and one RC. It would seem to me that we're right on schedule for what we've known so far.

Remember that 7 isn't a major overhaul from Vista. Hence the 6.1 kernel for 7 and 6.0 for Vista.

Microsoft is following their old schedule with previous releases. Vista was the exception as it took too long, and had a number of shortcomings. Despite having fixed a number of issues and having better driver support, Windows 7 still seems to be quite an improvement.

Just because there wont be another milestone build before RC, doesn't mean there would be another build at all. I'd bet on at least one interim build for us testers before the RC one.

I think they're rushing things, too. Some refreshing would be good, i.e. Sidebar Gadgets. Would be nice if they threw in a few new gadgets or updated the Vista ones. It doesn't take much, but it goes a long way to Win7 being something altogether new and fresh. I mean, even the sidebar.exe still running even though the sidebar's gone is a bit of a dodgy one.

MS could release Win98 with a new GUI and call it Windows 8 and the fanboys would be creaming their panties yelling 'OMG' this is the best thing in the world.

haven't found too much improvement. Saving me about 500mb of ram. The only real improvement is booting up and shutting down. Sure the background screens are okay, but I'll miss the sidebar. Looks like they did bring the quicklaunch bar back though in a newer beta build screenshot I saw. Right now without that, it's a pain in the behind. It's more like going from Windows 2000 to XP. Small step up built on Vista.

michael.dobrofsky said,
I think they're rushing things, too. Some refreshing would be good, i.e. Sidebar Gadgets. Would be nice if they threw in a few new gadgets or updated the Vista ones. It doesn't take much, but it goes a long way to Win7 being something altogether new and fresh. I mean, even the sidebar.exe still running even though the sidebar's gone is a bit of a dodgy one.

Slow it down for gadgets? Really? Isn't that something they could do at any given time?

Also, didn't I hear about them making the sticky note gadget useful? I also suppose "useful" is a term that varies from user to user.

jwjw1 said,
MS could release Win98 with a new GUI and call it Windows 8 and the fanboys would be creaming their panties yelling 'OMG' this is the best thing in the world.

You just proven that you know nothing about Windows OS

Hurmoth said,
Remember that 7 isn't a major overhaul from Vista. Hence the 6.1 kernel for 7 and 6.0 for Vista.


6.1 kernel? I think you're confusing the GetVersionEx result (which is 6.1 for compatibility reasons) with the actual OS version. The Windows 7 kernel is the Windows 7 kernel.

jwjw1 said,
MS could release Win98 with a new GUI and call it Windows 8 and the fanboys would be creaming their panties yelling 'OMG' this is the best thing in the world.


go home and play with your flea-infested snow leopard you infantile imbosile!