Microsoft details early Windows 8 improvements to OEMs

Details leaked to a Microsoft enthusiast blog on Monday reveal the software giants immediate plans for Windows 8.

Francisco Martin, a Microsoft Enthusiast, posted several confidential pieces of information to his blog on Monday revealing improvements that Microsoft is aiming for with Windows 8. Microsoft is planning to enable next generation high speed connectivity solutions such as USB 3.0 and Bluetooth 3.0 within Windows 8. Microsoft's key area of focus appears to be performance and instant-on systems. "Windows 8 PC's turn on fast, nearly instantly in some cases, and are ready to work without any long or unexpected delays. When customers want to check e-mail, sports scores, or play media they love to reach for their PCs because they can get to what they want quickly."

In what appears to be suggestions to OEMs, Microsoft details Windows 8 investments under consideration. Focusing on POST performance, S3 resume performance and general performance optimizations for each of the Off states are the key areas of improvement that Microsoft is aiming for with Windows 8 and Windows 8 enabled PCs.

Microsoft is also aiming to use sensors in Windows 8 PCs. "Windows 8 can adapt to changes in ambient light, so that the display is always easy to see", states part of the document. The document also hints at Kinect like features. "Windows 8 could detect my presence and log me automatically", hinting at PCs being able to detect their users.

The leaked document finishes with the suggestion that Microsoft is working on hard drive encryption for Windows 8. The software giant currently handles encryption by using its Bitlocker technologies. Earlier this year Microsoft posted a job opportunity where the company stated it was "looking for a great PM to define the “BitLocker Experience” in the next version of Windows."

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I wish all hardware, software, and driver providers would first support 64bit fully (coughAdobecough). I also would like to see majority of what people have said above. Transfer rates with usb connections. READ & WRITE changes. I honestly do not like the fact of the computer recognizing you; I prefer using my own damn finger to turn on the computer; used with my Toshiba the face recognition feature, but just didnt work as great as thought and was useless (at least for my uses).

Honestly think we should start migrating to SSD awesome technology there

i lol'd that someone on another forum posted "i want windows 8 to be more like a cell phone, have the icons on the desktop and let them open apps when you click'em." seriously, what are people thinking? lol lol lol

to be honest, i'm not really sure windows needs anymore improvement. don't say registry or security because that's upto patches anyway. we're talking big time functionality like a new file management. menus rather than folders. no more desktop and put a home screen. don't know if anyone would like that, but anyway it's only an example.

And, after a decade of beta testing-everything from MS OS-Office to Adobe PSCS5 and "yet to be releasewarez" as well as lots of Symantec goods, the tactical leak is quite intentional. Beta testers play a role in marketing of new products and leaking info on them keeps people interested! The key to selling newwarez!

Is MS was actually a poiitical consultancy, they would be getting lots of politicians elected. Can you say "the art of the leak?"

A new, fast, Windows 8 is exciting to think about! As someone who likes to multitask, I want to know that I can watch videos, read the news, and check my mail all at once with no delays. How do you think Windows 8 will handle Adobe's new Flash player?

I'm hoping they make Windows 8 tablet and Kinetic friendly. This would be a great leap for Windows.

Steve Ballmer did say that Windows 8 will be a leap forward, so we'll have to see what MS does. I too love Windows 7. I would just like to use Kinetic with Windows and not just the Xbox.

Solid Knight said,
Log in by facial recognition? Watch people be able to log in as other users by holding up an 8x10 of their face.

Not if the camera can detect depth. With everything they've done with Kinect, I don't see this as an issue.

Heck, you could probably require facial recognition as well as a traditional password

Okay so Windows 8 would censor our presence, so it means we will be needed a censoring device, means much more hardware?

And "The instant boot" feature would be cool, it will compete with Google Chrome OS, the main feature of which is instant access to Internet. So I think MS has taken a good move. I hope it is upto the expectations and imaginations.

Besides the app store, I really don't care about most of these changes. I don't care about being able to be recognized by my computer's webcam. It's just more useless crap for me.

What I want: Microsoft to streamline Windows more, make it easier for more users (continue the Windows 7 trend), make it more efficient, etc.

they should consider this on Windows servers line.
because there the time of uptime is more critic.
i really don't care if my pc would launch 2-3 seconds late.

Post times are something PC OEM's should have been addressing for years. The more complicated your configuration the longer the boot. In my case since I use RAID as part od my configuration, post time for my BIOS is ridiculous at nearly 15 secs. My Windows start time after that is still 30 secs on average to login. But I have had boot time counting post take as long as 60 secs. Not a very long time, but it is amazing how long a minute is when you're sitting there waiting.

Windows like Linux should have an instant on type function. I have a MB from Asus that has Linux I guess it is on a ROM. It boots into Linux in about 5 secs. I can chat, use the browser and using a flash drive I can install a few apps.

Support for USB/Bluetooth 3.0 built into the kernel is far better than driver/patched in support Windows 7 will get.

What Windows should support would be push updates similar to what phones get.

all i want with next windows is if they skip in 7 sp1...........

dame make the file transfer better.

a major difference i see after i started using ubuntu .... same usb file transfers......

read speeds are very fast under ubuntu. a 10 min copy under ubuntu may take half hour in windows 7

linux is not what i always heard of, i recently start using it quite a bit infact its the major os on my laptop, using netbook edition. and let me say 10.04 is the most cripled one. previous one was very stable this 10.04 has too many issues specially with ATi graphics where u cant even try the os using live cd.

Python96 said,
EVERY DAY how much does your elect bill come up to!

I leave my PC on 24/7 and just set screen to turn off. Most green PC's or any PC since 2005 don't use as much power as they use too. My electric bill went from teh typical $35 to about $50 per month. But that is after running 2 PC's 24/7. if you use the power save settings you won't have a high bill.

TechieXP said,

I leave my PC on 24/7 and just set screen to turn off. Most green PC's or any PC since 2005 don't use as much power as they use too. My electric bill went from teh typical $35 to about $50 per month. But that is after running 2 PC's 24/7. if you use the power save settings you won't have a high bill.

These "power save settings" you speak of... you sure they don't put the computer to sleep? My computer is less than 2 years old. And this puppy pulls over 400w idle. Green PC = weak(er) PC... sorry, just how it goes. Want power? Gotta sacrifice efficiency. Want efficiency? Gotta sacrifice power.

@hackson
Hey! Congrats on that. Seems like it is doing the marketshare for Linux huge benifits. I mean with all the 3.0 USB devices we currently use Linux must be approaching 1% marketshare at a rapid rate!!!

Sent from my Zune HD

mackenziepricee said,
@hackson
Hey! Congrats on that. Seems like it is doing the marketshare for Linux huge benifits. I mean with all the 3.0 USB devices we currently use Linux must be approaching 1% marketshare at a rapid rate!!!

Sent from my Zune HD

Ha. Nice . Love the Sent from... part, it's a nice touch.

my thought is there will did exactly what they left in windows 7 to have an improve version for the next os,plus more refinement like what apple did to snow leopard in certain area.But will the desktop stay the same then i don't have a clue about it.Since it's just a prediction!

Lastwebpage said,
I am the only one who think "Hmmmh, nothing new"?

No, you're the only one who doesn't' realize this is an internal leak and wasn't meant to be showy.

let me guess WDDM2.0/DX11

and introduction of DX11.5 ??

i hope they take a page from windows 7 utter success !

and please MS don't dump-down standards for the sake of greedy companies crappy products

Ci7 said,
let me guess WDDM2.0/DX11

and introduction of DX11.5 ??

i hope they take a page from windows 7 utter success !

and please MS don't dump-down standards for the sake of greedy companies crappy products

Ci7 said,
let me guess WDDM2.0/DX11

and introduction of DX11.5 ??

i hope they take a page from windows 7 utter success !

and please MS don't dump-down standards for the sake of greedy companies crappy products

WDDM 2.0 is talked about but according to Microsoft will require entirely new GPU's.

I'm glad that Microsoft is finally pushing this as an issue because it has been for awhile. Honestly, I think they should have pushed the issue more with Vista. My underpowered MacBook Pro spanks my quad core desktop in boot up time. Mostly because of POST, but also because Windows is a little "grogy" after booting up. Sure, you see a desktop, but you have to wait a few moments before clicking on anything gets you anywhere.

They are about the same in wake-up-from sleep time. Pretty instant for both Mac OS 10.6 and Windows 7.

The motherboard is usually to blame like you say, mine takes ages to boot because it goes through a load of RAID / SATA6 controller setup and that's with an i7.

Windows 7 boots up really fast, it's just POST.

dave164 said,
The motherboard is usually to blame like you say, mine takes ages to boot because it goes through a load of RAID / SATA6 controller setup and that's with an i7.

Windows 7 boots up really fast, it's just POST.

Thats true, but I wish Windows wouldn't present the desktop to the user until it is ready to use. The first few moments of unresponsive system, and no indication on when things are finally settled down and everything is finally loaded is annoying. Just show the user a loading screen until all their "startup" applications are started or something. idk...

Shadrack said,

Thats true, but I wish Windows wouldn't present the desktop to the user until it is ready to use. The first few moments of unresponsive system, and no indication on when things are finally settled down and everything is finally loaded is annoying. Just show the user a loading screen until all their "startup" applications are started or something. idk...

My thoughts exactly. There was a post a while ago because someone was asking if there was a plugin that could auto-login and then lock the computer so while they go get a coffee in the morning they can come back in, sign in, and be totally ready to go.

Shadrack said,

Thats true, but I wish Windows wouldn't present the desktop to the user until it is ready to use. The first few moments of unresponsive system, and no indication on when things are finally settled down and everything is finally loaded is annoying. Just show the user a loading screen until all their "startup" applications are started or something. idk...


with win7, just wait a few seconds untill u stop hearing your harddrive. When waiting in logon screen, win7 will start preloading the desktop

I have USB 3.0 support on my motherboard.. with third party drivers that install on Windows fine.

Just need some damn USB 3 hardware.

I think this is for Windows 8 to have native 3.0 support without third party

hackson said,
Windows nob still have to wait for windows 8 to have usb 3.0 support, shame!
We have had it since september over @ linux http://www.linux.com/news/hard...als/278579-linux-and-usb-30
Where is html editing

Really shows how smart/dumb you really are. Windows 7 was released before USB/Bluetooth 3.0. So thsu the OS wouldn't offer native support. Just like Linux and OSX also don't have native support. Which makes what you said stupid. It can easily be added with drivers. Just like Windows XP didn't have native UBS/Bluetooth 2.0 support. It was added with a Service Pack. Much like Windows 2000 didn't have it either but it does now thanks yet again to Service Packs.

People who don't know jack about software/hardware shouldn't come to tech threads and comment. Who cares if Linux got it first. How many use Linux? Barely 1% of the world? What good is support when new USB 3.0 devices didn't start showing up until 2 months ago. That's really smart to support hardware that didn't even exist yet. Just because you know a family member is getting old in 30 years doesn't mean you go out and buy the wheelchair and bed today. You wait until it is actually needed.

I actually do have a USB 3.0 device, a external drive and it came with USB 3.0 drivers.

hackson said,
Windows nob still have to wait for windows 8 to have usb 3.0 support, shame!
We have had it since september over @ linux http://www.linux.com/news/hard...als/278579-linux-and-usb-30
Where is html editing

Ok you realize there is a difference between OS Native drivers which is what they are talking about vs the ability to simply install a 3rd party USB 3.0 driver. (Windows users are already using USB 3.0, they are just not in the box or MS supplied drivers.)

Skyhawker said,

I was surprised no-one else commented on that... I wonder if somebody will be in trouble?


I assume so, if they discover the original leak.

the things i see as sueful in this article should be in implemented in win 7/vista, especially since we're seeing hardware with these features NOW, not in 2-5 years when win 8 comes out.
the rest is uninteresting and unappealing to me, though i'm sure they will appeal to people who like gimmicks, use sleep modes, or care alot about boot time(i turn on my pc then walk away for 5 minutes each day). the whole presence recognition things reeks of specialized peripherals for a relatively minor function- what happened to jiggling the mouse when sitting down at your desk to wake up your pc?

meshiga said,
Ubuntu has instant on!

My laptop is more os less instant on. If you just put your machine to sleep instead of turning it off it boots up incredibly fast. A big issue with slow boot times is all of the crap OEMs and developers put on the machines. Adobe and apple are terrible about this on windws machines.

If you go into msconfig and disable all the crap on boot-up it goes much faster. I'm not sure if MS can do much of anything about this though without getting into trouble with the DoJ.

amon91 said,
Probably all vaporware right now but it sure sounds good. PDC '11?

MS really isnt in the business of vaporware...

bdsams said,

MS really isnt in the business of vaporware...

I think he's talking about the features themselves (We all know Win8 is coming eventually)

.Neo said,

WinFS anyone?

WinFS is gone, but the concepts and a lot of the design and programming from this project are scattered throughout a lot of shipping products. From SQL Server to Win Server to even ODBC changes all the way to even concepts used in both Vista and Win7 that came from WinFS but are implemented in NTFS with metadata and even things like the search folders/libraries.

WinFS is not a good example of vaporware - it was never a 'product' nor did it ever fully go away.

Is it just me or does that document reek of bull**** bingo and corporate talk that says nothing with many words? Especially that summary slide.

Hardware manufacturers, especially on the laptop side, should work harder to actually innovate instead of just cram in the latest components while churning out computers that otherwise are near identical in functionality to ones made 10 years ago - meaning they're annoying to use and ugly. I mean how long will PC users have to suffer with those ****ty recessed trackpads for example? It doesn't help if Win8 supports all kinds of nice things if hardware manufacturers keep delivering the same physical products.

I kinda wish they just made it mandatory for developers to update their software to be proper Win7 style apps instead of having some apps that look like they came all the way from Win95. Apple did this well with OSX, nearly all apps (exception being Adobe's crapware of course) look native and fit the UI perfectly.

I truly hope MS continues on the road they had with Win7 - better usability.

Sorry this is a bit rambling..

LaXu said,
Is it just me or does that document reek of bull**** bingo and corporate talk that says nothing with many words? Especially that summary slide.

Hardware manufacturers, especially on the laptop side, should work harder to actually innovate instead of just cram in the latest components while churning out computers that otherwise are near identical in functionality to ones made 10 years ago - meaning they're annoying to use and ugly. I mean how long will PC users have to suffer with those ****ty recessed trackpads for example? It doesn't help if Win8 supports all kinds of nice things if hardware manufacturers keep delivering the same physical products.

I kinda wish they just made it mandatory for developers to update their software to be proper Win7 style apps instead of having some apps that look like they came all the way from Win95. Apple did this well with OSX, nearly all apps (exception being Adobe's crapware of course) look native and fit the UI perfectly.

I truly hope MS continues on the road they had with Win7 - better usability.

Sorry this is a bit rambling..

Yes, because Microsoft totally authorized and prepared this fine piece of literary work for your viewing by meticulously checking it for proper flow and substance, right?

Honestly, so many of these retarded "this sounds so fake" comments. Do you people not understand what "posted confidential details" means? It means INTERNAL data. Stuff the public doesn't see (or so Microsoft assumes). No, it's not perfectly worded. GET OVER IT.

LiquidSolstice said,

Yes, because Microsoft totally authorized and prepared this fine piece of literary work for your viewing by meticulously checking it for proper flow and substance, right?

Honestly, so many of these retarded "this sounds so fake" comments. Do you people not understand what "posted confidential details" means? It means INTERNAL data. Stuff the public doesn't see (or so Microsoft assumes). No, it's not perfectly worded. GET OVER IT.

#

Seems you read it as "spelning mustkaez!" instead of "this is just corporate bull**** which doesn't actually make any valid points".

Instant on means solid state drives, sounds like they're betting on a lot of people using them by then or at least most new builds including them as a boot drive perhaps they're thinking of going the way of windows phone 7 and issuing stricter controls on hardware?

3lixir said,
Instant on means solid state drives, sounds like they're betting on a lot of people using them by then or at least most new builds including them as a boot drive perhaps they're thinking of going the way of windows phone 7 and issuing stricter controls on hardware?

I've actually put a lot of thought into my next build having a compact high-quality SSD just for the OS. Tho' right now even with Windows 7 that would produce killer boot times, with the right mobo.

Seemed to be lots of hardware related things going on there, I wonder what exactly that means to those of us who prefer to build our own computer.

MrEggsalad said,
Seemed to be lots of hardware related things going on there, I wonder what exactly that means to those of us who prefer to build our own computer.

good question there.

Interesting that the focus is on components that the general user won't see. 'Increased POST performance' doesn't translate well into a 'Windows 8 was my idea' ad.

I like that.

Tzvi Friedman said,
Interesting that the focus is on components that the general user won't see. 'Increased POST performance' doesn't translate well into a 'Windows 8 was my idea' ad.

I like that.

So, you're saying it was your idea?

Tzvi Friedman said,
Interesting that the focus is on components that the general user won't see. 'Increased POST performance' doesn't translate well into a 'Windows 8 was my idea' ad.

I like that.

"And Windows 8 is Tzvi Friedman's idea!"

Microsoft is going to have to do some work with motherboard manufacturers and try and move them to EFI or speed up there POST system. Most PC's suffer long delays due to BIOS running through there slow POST checks.

REM2000 said,
Microsoft is going to have to do some work with motherboard manufacturers and try and move them to EFI or speed up there POST system. Most PC's suffer long delays due to BIOS running through there slow POST checks.
Exactly. Fortunately, I think they already have been working with them, as noted by MSI shifting completely to EFI within the next 2-3 years.

Here's to hoping it comes true for all of the motherboard manufacturers.

pickypg said,
Exactly. Fortunately, I think they already have been working with them, as noted by MSI shifting completely to EFI within the next 2-3 years.

Here's to hoping it comes true for all of the motherboard manufacturers.


my evga x58 mobo runs through the POST in about 2 seconds, although it loses speed in jmicron sata controller checks. i honestly wish it would POST slower so i could read the screen for diagnosis purposes. although luckily thi smobo has an lcd right on the mobo for this purpose.

REM2000 said,
Microsoft is going to have to do some work with motherboard manufacturers and try and move them to EFI or speed up there POST system. Most PC's suffer long delays due to BIOS running through there slow POST checks.

they can't help in POST
it is motherboard maker business to do so ...

REM2000 said,
Microsoft is going to have to do some work with motherboard manufacturers and try and move them to EFI or speed up there POST system. Most PC's suffer long delays due to BIOS running through there slow POST checks.

Microsoft actually pushed for reduced BIOS and EFI a long time ago, but very few MFRs at the time moved to more efficient concepts. If you look at the Toshiba Laptops from the 2002 timeframe, they had a legacy free design that made their boot times instant.

So, yes Microsoft needs to continue to push for this as a requirement for new system logos for both Win8 but also maybe Win7 SPx.

It is sad to see a beautiful system that is lightning fast and have a 5-10 second BIOS time, especially on laptops where hibernate is the best method for powering off and the BIOS time is as much as the OS resuming from hibernate.

spartyjohnson said,
So...Many....Grammatical....Mistakes....In....Document. Is this document really from Microsoft?

Some of it has been typed up so....

spartyjohnson said,
So...Many....Grammatical....Mistakes....In....Document. Is this document really from Microsoft?

Yes, because Microsoft's PR team totally checks leaked pieces of confidential information before they're released, right?

Good job capitalizing each word, by the way. Makes you look smart. Isn't it just so much fun to nitpick? /sarcasm

LOL. I Didn't Intend To Cause You Grief. My Most Sincere Apologies To You.

LiquidSolstice said,

Yes, because Microsoft's PR team totally checks leaked pieces of confidential information before they're released, right?

Good job capitalizing each word, by the way. Makes you look smart. Isn't it just so much fun to nitpick? /sarcasm

Um do away with stupid versions and their even stupider names. Create one version containing modules and ask during installation what kind of device this is and what modules will be necessary. Also include more powerful tools for the developer. Rewrite apps such as media player from the ground up so that there is no legacy cruft to try and build around as is the case with media player 12.

Iridium said,
Um do away with stupid versions and their even stupider names. Create one version containing modules and ask during installation what kind of device this is and what modules will be necessary. Also include more powerful tools for the developer. Rewrite apps such as media player from the ground up so that there is no legacy cruft to try and build around as is the case with media player 12.

How about the just get rid of WMP and replace it with Zune. Zune is superior so WMP.

Sum-what agree with the versions. They just need 3 versions I think.
Windows 8. Used for desktops, laptops and tablets. When installing it on a tablet though, less apps are installed for less bloat. Though all apps that do not get installed are put on some Microsoft website so people can download as they please.

Windows Touch. Pretty obvious. A touch friends OS. Word, Outlook, PPT, Excel, OneNote, Windows Live, IE, Zune, plus an app marketplace that can play apps made for Windows Phone 7/8. Only way developers can make software for this is putting it on the marketplace.

Windows Phone 7/8. Also obvious.

Iridium said,
Um do away with stupid versions and their even stupider names. Create one version containing modules and ask during installation what kind of device this is and what modules will be necessary. Also include more powerful tools for the developer. Rewrite apps such as media player from the ground up so that there is no legacy cruft to try and build around as is the case with media player 12.

No. The versioning is useful, makes perfect sense, and the only people who are even aware that there are more than two different versions are advanced users who are NOT confused by it (though some feel the need to 'speak up' for novice users who they simply do not represent at all).

Pro makes sense. Enterprise makes sense. They all make sense. It's no more complicated than Office, and everyone adores that Office comes in different packages.

If they made one-version-one-price, they would have to AVERAGE the cost of the OS. That means today's cheapest version's price point would no longer exist. It was cheapest because more complete versions carried higher price points to make up for it. Release only one version, and the cost of the OS goes *UP* for low-end users. And then the anti-MS drivel will go right back to the socially disabled piratetards falling over themselves to say how they'd be happy to pay for Windows if it wasn't so expensive.

mackenziepricee said,

How about the just get rid of WMP and replace it with Zune. Zune is superior so WMP.

Sum-what agree with the versions. They just need 3 versions I think.
Windows 8. Used for desktops, laptops and tablets. When installing it on a tablet though, less apps are installed for less bloat. Though all apps that do not get installed are put on some Microsoft website so people can download as they please.

Windows Touch. Pretty obvious. A touch friends OS. Word, Outlook, PPT, Excel, OneNote, Windows Live, IE, Zune, plus an app marketplace that can play apps made for Windows Phone 7/8. Only way developers can make software for this is putting it on the marketplace.

Windows Phone 7/8. Also obvious.


Also remove Notepad and Wordpad and replace it with a user friendly Notes application, similar to the iPad.

And remove Media Center and roll all functionality into Zune.

mackenziepricee said,

How about the just get rid of WMP and replace it with Zune. Zune is superior so WMP.

Sum-what agree with the versions. They just need 3 versions I think.
Windows 8. Used for desktops, laptops and tablets. When installing it on a tablet though, less apps are installed for less bloat. Though all apps that do not get installed are put on some Microsoft website so people can download as they please.

Windows Touch. Pretty obvious. A touch friends OS. Word, Outlook, PPT, Excel, OneNote, Windows Live, IE, Zune, plus an app marketplace that can play apps made for Windows Phone 7/8. Only way developers can make software for this is putting it on the marketplace.

Windows Phone 7/8. Also obvious.


Also remove Notepad and Wordpad and replace it with a user friendly Notes application, similar to the iPad.

And remove Media Center and roll all functionality into Zune.

Jan said,

Also remove Notepad and Wordpad and replace it with a user friendly Notes application, similar to the iPad.

And remove Media Center and roll all functionality into Zune.


i like notepad the way it is. it's one of few windows apps i never want to see changed in any way, since i like it's basic simplicity but usefulness for everything from note taking to editing game and other files.
remove wordpad altogether though, and bring in a basic .doc reader.

treemonster said,

i like notepad the way it is. it's one of few windows apps i never want to see changed in any way, since i like it's basic simplicity but usefulness for everything from note taking to editing game and other files.
remove wordpad altogether though, and bring in a basic .doc reader.

I <3 notepad. I think wordpad is really awesome. If it had spell check then we wouldnt need word lol

thatguyandrew1992 said,

I <3 notepad. I think wordpad is really awesome. If it had spell check then we wouldnt need word lol

yeah tbh it's sad when my browser(ff) has more funtionality as a word processor than ms wordpad. for all i know it got redone like ms paint in win 7, but as far as free word processors go i'll just put up with open office, which can actually read and out put .doc files(well i forget i think wordpad CAN read .doc files just not edit or save them?)

Jan said,

Also remove Notepad and Wordpad and replace it with a user friendly Notes application, similar to the iPad.

And remove Media Center and roll all functionality into Zune.

Lay a finger on media centre and I shan't be best pleased. It's the PVR, EPG and video streaming system for 5 TV's in my house...!!!


I should point out to people who are moaning about WMP and Media Centre - saying it should be rolled in Zune... you do know that Zune is a skin for WMP? And Media Centre is just a a different interface too.

WMP powers them both.

treemonster said,

i like notepad the way it is. it's one of few windows apps i never want to see changed in any way, since i like it's basic simplicity but usefulness for everything from note taking to editing game and other files.
remove wordpad altogether though, and bring in a basic .doc reader.

Wordpad already reads docx files.

thatguyandrew1992 said,

I <3 notepad. I think wordpad is really awesome. If it had spell check then we wouldnt need word lol
If Notepad recognized linefeeds, then we wouldn't need wordpad.

stevehoot said,

Lay a finger on media centre and I shan't be best pleased. It's the PVR, EPG and video streaming system for 5 TV's in my house...!!!


I should point out to people who are moaning about WMP and Media Centre - saying it should be rolled in Zune... you do know that Zune is a skin for WMP? And Media Centre is just a a different interface too.

WMP powers them both.

Which is why Windows Media Player has to be rebranded for a new Zune UI, and get rid of extra media software that is powered by Windows Media Player, have Media Center and Zune all in Windows Media Player in a much more awesome UI. It would rule.

stevehoot said,

Lay a finger on media centre and I shan't be best pleased. It's the PVR, EPG and video streaming system for 5 TV's in my house...!!!


I should point out to people who are moaning about WMP and Media Centre - saying it should be rolled in Zune... you do know that Zune is a skin for WMP? And Media Centre is just a a different interface too.

WMP powers them both.

I do not agree on the Media Center part. I have been longing to set that up on my TV for a while now. Just bought my first Xbox so this may do the trick.

My point with Zune (powered by WMP or not, I really do not know but I will take your word for it) is that it is extremely user friendly with lovely aesthetics. Compare it to iTunes and WMP and you have a clear winner. Infact the software for Zune was the reason I even considered looking at a Zune instead of a new iPod so you may even see more Zune/Windows Phone sales PLUS more Zune subscriptions of people who are now using Zune instead of iPod/iTunes.

I just think Microsoft needs to support the products they create a bit more. Sometimes you would swere that they are coming from two different companies.

Jan said,

Also remove Notepad and Wordpad and replace it with a user friendly Notes application, similar to the iPad.

And remove Media Center and roll all functionality into Zune.

Windows already has this, it is called Windows Journal. Click your Start Button/Ord and type Journal or look in the All Programs. Windows Journal was designed for Handwriting but works well for just a no frills note taking application that is pretty close to the notes on the iPad.

If you want a more featured version, look for OneNote - the Home and Student versions of Office have this now and it does everything from notes to scrap collecting to web collecting to drawing to handwriting to touch drawing to voice recording to voice transcription to voice and handwriting and typing sync so you can listen to the recording at a specfici moment when you were dooding a circle or typing the word donkey.

I know OneNote isn't free, but it is fairly cheap and far beyond anything you can find on OS X, and if you want just notes, look at Windows Journal it will do what you want if you are used to the iPad Notes.


I am a fan of the idea of merging Zune/WMP/Media Center into a single application, there is too much overlap between Media Center and WMP or Zune, and even as a developer I understand why they currently exist, but there is a way this line could be removed and make a great application with a combination of Zune and Media Center Metro designs that already work well in touch and remote environments. Good idea...

ZEROarmy said,
Can we get a new freakin file system already?

The filesystem in Windows 7/2008R2 is one of the best out there. Sure it hasn't got some of the features of ZFS however it's incredibly robust, fast and quite feature rich. Im a Mac fan, but i would love a new FS on Mac OSX rather than windows.

aarste said,

What's wrong with the current one?

Is not working the way it suppose to.It's a great File system, it just doesnt preform as described in the whitepaper.

Euphoria said,
Is not working the way it suppose to.It's a great File system, it just doesnt preform as described in the whitepaper.

Explain.

Euphoria said,

Is not working the way it suppose to.It's a great File system, it just doesnt preform as described in the whitepaper.

Sounds a lot like "I don't know why I don't like it I just want something new for the sake of having something new."

MioTheGreat said,

Explain.

Yes please. NTFS is a phenomenal file system, as acknowledged by everyone who is anyone in the industry.

ZEROarmy said,
Can we get a new freakin file system already?

Really? And yet the entire industry is still trying to catch up to NTFS. ZFS is/was the only FS that offered some of the features of NTFS and promised the performance of NTFS.

To acheive the features of NTFS on Linux you need several FS technologies installed and this creates one heck of slow system just to replicate NTFS.

On OSX, you can't get the features of NTFS. PERIOD.


Go look up 'copy on write' and 'journaling' and 'encryption' and 'compression' etc...

These are all standard on NTFS and yet NTFS still pulls performance numbers beating virtually everything out there offered on Linux and OS X's FS.

People really need to fact check their own personal 'ideals' about FS technology before jumping the shark.

ZEROarmy said,
Can we get a new freakin file system already?

AHA, you must be the same person who wants the registry "replaced with something new"!

thenonhacker said,

AHA, you must be the same person who wants the registry "replaced with something new"!

*guffaws*

Is that like whoever says Microsoft should scrap everything and rebuild Windows "from the ground up"?

ir0nw0lf said,
"Windows 8 could detect my presence and log me automatically"

*cough* Self-aware...*cough*

I had this on my Asus (before I dropepd it). I think you still needed a password but it used your webcam and it used facial recognition to allow you to log in. Nifty feature I didn't have a chance to test out (damn ice).

Bengal34 said,

I had this on my Asus (before I dropepd it). I think you still needed a password but it used your webcam and it used facial recognition to allow you to log in. Nifty feature I didn't have a chance to test out (damn ice).

Toshiba Laptops with cameras have this software option for both Vista and Win7.

It works well, but I hate looking at my hair in the morning so I don't use it at home.

Bengal34 said,

I had this on my Asus (before I dropepd it). I think you still needed a password but it used your webcam and it used facial recognition to allow you to log in. Nifty feature I didn't have a chance to test out (damn ice).


THe feature is not the most secure
We could basically log in with any face on one guys laptop

Yakuzing said,

THe feature is not the most secure
We could basically log in with any face on one guys laptop

Hopefully we see an improvement to the technology for Windows 8. They seem to have really gone a long way with camera technology with Kinect. Maybe require the camera array they have on it so it takes into account depth so you can't just hold up a picture.

lecter said,
For how long has MS promised an "instant-on OS"?
Now with Snow Leopard starting up in less than 30 seconds, usually, and Chrome OS being all-but instantly on, they have to beat Apple.

I don't know that it's realistic to try and beat Chrome OS. After all, how can you beat an OS with no local storage, or real drivers? Honestly, it would be more stunning if Chrome OS wasn't basically instantly on, but average users won't realize this.

pickypg said,
Now with Snow Leopard starting up in less than 30 seconds, usually, and Chrome OS being all-but instantly on, they have to beat Apple.

Doesn't Win7 already start up faster than Snow Leopard? My boot times are all like 10-20 seconds...

pickypg said,
Now with Snow Leopard starting up in less than 30 seconds, usually, and Chrome OS being all-but instantly on, they have to beat Apple.

I don't know that it's realistic to try and beat Chrome OS. After all, how can you beat an OS with no local storage, or real drivers? Honestly, it would be more stunning if Chrome OS wasn't basically instantly on, but average users won't realize this.

My desktop starts in under 20 seconds. I don't know what you're smoking @_@

LiquidSolstice said,

My desktop starts in under 20 seconds. I don't know what you're smoking @_@

But your desktop is a Mac. You run about 1/100th the applications a standard PC user runs because Jobs has forbidden you to run anything else.

When I've tried to run a PC amount of modifications and applications at startup on OSX, the result hasn't been just an excruciatingly slower bootup...it's been an utter and complete freeze/crash.

Brandon Live said,

Doesn't Win7 already start up faster than Snow Leopard? My boot times are all like 10-20 seconds...

It starts very quickly for me...

pickypg said,
Now with Snow Leopard starting up in less than 30 seconds, usually, and Chrome OS being all-but instantly on, they have to beat Apple.

I don't know that it's realistic to try and beat Chrome OS. After all, how can you beat an OS with no local storage, or real drivers? Honestly, it would be more stunning if Chrome OS wasn't basically instantly on, but average users won't realize this.

Win7 on netbooks boots to login in 16secs, 20 counting desktop. A decent Core Duo or i5/i7 and you can expect 15secs or less to be the standard to desktop time. If your numbers are far off this, you have something wrong with hardware or crap installed that you shouldn't.

Resume from hibernate on the netbook, 5 seconds including hardware init time.
Resume from standby/sleep on the netbook, less than 1 second.

Win7 boots faster than an iPhone or a Droid, and yet people still want it faster? Just misinformation or really impatient people.

(And this is considering my own experience of optimized kernels and rooted Droid clocked to 1.2ghz. So much for the myth of the Linux kernel being fast and light uh?)

thenetavenger said,

Win7 on netbooks boots to login in 16secs, 20 counting desktop. A decent Core Duo or i5/i7 and you can expect 15secs or less to be the standard to desktop time. If your numbers are far off this, you have something wrong with hardware or crap installed that you shouldn't.

Resume from hibernate on the netbook, 5 seconds including hardware init time.
Resume from standby/sleep on the netbook, less than 1 second.

Win7 boots faster than an iPhone or a Droid, and yet people still want it faster? Just misinformation or really impatient people.

(And this is considering my own experience of optimized kernels and rooted Droid clocked to 1.2ghz. So much for the myth of the Linux kernel being fast and light uh?)

I have an Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 and 4GB of RAM, and on the first boots of Windows 7 Ultimate x64, it takes about a minute... What am I doing wrong? Do I need a new HDD or a new graphics card?

Electric Jolt said,

I have an Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 and 4GB of RAM, and on the first boots of Windows 7 Ultimate x64, it takes about a minute... What am I doing wrong? Do I need a new HDD or a new graphics card?

64bit does add about 5-10secs, but there is no reason even with a 4200rpm HD that Win7 should be taking this long. Check things like antivirus software and other startup/device software installed by the MFR. There are ways to trace the boot up process, do a Google/Bing and look for sysinternals or MS tools that will help find the specific application if the general ones don't speed up your start time.

excalpius said,
But your desktop is a Mac. You run about 1/100th the applications a standard PC user runs because Jobs has forbidden you to run anything else.

Someone's confusing "Mac" and "iPhone" again. Haters gonna hate...what a surprise.

BoneyardBrew said,
Let's hope this time they're not pulling our legs!

It is hardly Microsofts fault that vendors aren't moving to UEFI which would enable an instant on computer - most of the time being wasted is related to POST and not the OS itself.

lecter said,
For how long has MS promised an "instant-on OS"?

Just put the computer to sleep instead of shutting it down. Virtually instant on then.

pickypg said,
Now with Snow Leopard starting up in less than 30 seconds, usually, and Chrome OS being all-but instantly on, they have to beat Apple.

I don't know that it's realistic to try and beat Chrome OS. After all, how can you beat an OS with no local storage, or real drivers? Honestly, it would be more stunning if Chrome OS wasn't basically instantly on, but average users won't realize this.


i can get an 1.6ghz p4 with 256mb ram to start up in about 30 seconds on winXP, my windows 7 takes about 15-20 seconds.
Windows is not that slow, even tho it loads hell of allot more then MacOS,MacOS only loads of drivers for a few hardware parts, windows loads drivers for a buttload of hardware parts, and other things a 'normal' user wants to have working immediately when their system is running.

Must say, windows starts up pretty fast on a decent system.

DaveGreen said,
The end of the crapware madness on OEM PCs?

I installed http://www.soluto.com/ and discovered Adobe's Akamai download manager adds 70 seconds to boot time (it loads bits with the kernel!!*), almost everyone has it automatically installed with adobe stuff and probably dont realize. Microsoft should completly disable programs from adding themselves to automatic start up locations.

DaveGreen said,
The end of the crapware madness on OEM PCs?

I wish, this would be one of those things we can only dream about I'm sure.

zeke009 said,

I wish, this would be one of those things we can only dream about I'm sure.

It will never happen in the anti-trust case back in the 90's Microsoft was forbidden from restricting what software OEMs could put on the computer.

DaveGreen said,
The end of the crapware madness on OEM PCs?

This is jsut the beginning...

But I would actually like to try this stuff out... like the auto-login stuff. Of course... someone could just get a picture of me and bam, instant access lol. And I've allways had bad luck with the "resume" options Windows provides... they never seem to work and just end up crashing my system.

TokyoKiller said,

The pre-built ones yes...most of us here build our own systems =)

Building a laptop is completely different. Haven't owned a pc for years, laptops all the way.

DaveGreen said,
The end of the crapware madness on OEM PCs?

Maybe by windows 8 they will have more microsoft stores, at ms stores you can purchase a pc clean of crapware.

Nexus- said,

Maybe by windows 8 they will have more microsoft stores, at ms stores you can purchase a pc clean of crapware.

Or, you can build it yourself and get a lot more for your money.

hotdog963al said,
We can always dream

Why is it a dream? they've already said that they're going to add those to Service Pack 1. USB 3.0 and BlueTooth 3.0 support wouldn't be considered 'features' because 'features' tend to be (using Microsoft dialectic) referring to stuff that is user visible - so SP1 won't include Internet Explorer 9 but it will include extra hardware support.

Frazell Thomas said,
Should be interesting.

doesnt it sound like microsoft is heading towards dictating how the OEM's should develop the hardware to suite Windows 8?

If that happens, I really wouldn't mind it at all!.. its about time some of these OEM's paid a close attention to releasing quality products! .. (my case being, people will stop complaining about it being a windows error, hence you get what you pay for)

Frazell Thomas said,
Should be interesting.

Where is the bit about not having to restart after installing updates. I despise patch Tuesday because I know it will force a restart, one that is completely unnecessary because back in longhorn they built the tech to install updates without a restart, now that tech was half baked and still needs to be polished for prime time, but the fact was it was canned and needs to come back. Restarts are so last century. I don't care that they shave off milliseconds from my resume or bootup.

Nexus- said,

Where is the bit about not having to restart after installing updates. I don't care that they shave off milliseconds from my resume or bootup.

Every version of Windows has required fewer and fewer restart-level events, so I expect that to continue.

However, you contradict yourself if you don't realize that an near-instantaneous restart makes the hassled of updates diminish considerably.

Working at this from both ends is a great idea.

Besides, both OSX and Linux still require restarts, kernel recompiles, etc. etc. for some low level fixes, so it seems a bit unreasonable to expect Windows to do otherwise.

<Insert latest Windows version here> will always do miracles to your computer. Don't fall for the hype really like everyone did for Windows 7.

excalpius said,

Every version of Windows has required fewer and fewer restart-level events, so I expect that to continue.

However, you contradict yourself if you don't realize that an near-instantaneous restart makes the hassled of updates diminish considerably.

Working at this from both ends is a great idea.

Besides, both OSX and Linux still require restarts, kernel recompiles, etc. etc. for some low level fixes, so it seems a bit unreasonable to expect Windows to do otherwise.


Actually the point was having to get my apps back to the point they were prior to the reboot. THey were also toying around with an idea to keep reboots and save application states (known as freeze dry) but killed that as well. Either no reboots or freeze dry apps please. This is a must!

Nexus- said,

Where is the bit about not having to restart after installing updates. I despise patch Tuesday because I know it will force a restart, one that is completely unnecessary because back in longhorn they built the tech to install updates without a restart, now that tech was half baked and still needs to be polished for prime time, but the fact was it was canned and needs to come back. Restarts are so last century. I don't care that they shave off milliseconds from my resume or bootup.

Dunno why people always harp about restarts. It just takes a minute and is REQUIRED if you update the core files. Quit whining.

Mohib Sheth said,

Dunno why people always harp about restarts. It just takes a minute and is REQUIRED if you update the core files. Quit whining.


You'll get it some day when you stop using your computers just for games and surfing.

theh0g said,

You'll get it some day when you stop using your computers just for games and surfing.

ye because reloading the entire kernel live is a very stable solution. Its what you want in a business environment.

Any system that is so vital it can not have a restart, has a duplicate system running. (or even more)
Or you expect that if your CPU breaks down, it will stay running while you replace it?

A non restarting system on kernel changes/updates is just unstable. I remember FreeBSD and some other linux distro's, beeing able to do a proper kernel update without a restart, altho this results in to unstable environments for the running services.

And im quite sure Microsoft has tried it already.