Microsoft employees rate Steve Ballmer as worst CEO

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A company rating and review website, Glassdoor.com, regularly quizzes employees of tech companies how they feel about their current CEO asking: "Do you approve of the way your CEO is leading the company?" Unfortunately for Steve Ballmer, Microsoft employees gave him the lowest approval rating of any tech company. 

Microsoft employees gave Ballmer a 40% approval rating which is down from last years 46%. This is not good news for Ballmer who has already been on the board of directors' naughty list after the failure of the Kin. In 2008, Ballmer said he would retire in 10 years -- with his declining approval rating and recent Kin failure -- another set of mistakes could move that retirement forward a few years. 

The second lowest ranked tech CEO was eBay's John Donahoe, who has an equally appalling 46% approval rating from his employees. This was a big jump in the positive direction for Donahoe, the previous year his approval rating was just 26%. The survey wasn't bad for all tech CEOs though, Google's former CEO Eric Schmidt was given a 96% approval rating, the highest among tech companies. Apple's Steve Jobs was the second highest rated tech CEO with a 95% approval rating from his employees. 

The survey also shows that things have not been going well at Yahoo recently as its CEO, Carol Bartz, has shown the largest decline of all surveyed in approval rating from employees over the last several months. 

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why do we need CEOs... couldnt all the devs just ditch them for more money then discuss their plans around a Natural User Interface table

I have noticed over the last year plenty of Arsians (ars technica) saying Ballmer needs to be fired...yesterday. Cant say I disagree! The man is an embarrassment to Microsoft. Should have been canned eons ago.

Because for Google they don't included all technicians that keep all their datacenter up and running but executives and people of HQ (those guys that spend the whole day playing with a ball).

Jarrichvdv said,
Bill Gates is boring. I REAAAALLY like Steve Ballmer. And I'm bloody serious.

Yeah he is but he does a lot for charity and I have respect for him for that. Steve Ballmer makes me laugh with his bold approch and to the point.

It's bad when an approval rating is below 50% for a CEO, but at the same time, I worry about approval ratings above 95%. I can't imagine a working environment where virtually everyone adores their boss. It's not natural, and the only way it seems like it could work is if they're given a crapload of freedom, in which case--what's the management doing?

Eric Schmidt was going slowly downhill and he's already replaced as CEO.
It looks like Google have higher standards than MS.

They had Ozzie which was suppose to reinvent Microsoft but the old guard refuse to leave so nothing change and Ozzie got tired of it and left. If the old guard would retire and they got some new blood I bet Microsoft would rock. Now all they do is maintain status quo or play catchup.

example by the time they make Windows work on the tablet or ipad type of device they will have lost the market. Time to get a CEO that is on the cutting edge not lagging behind.

I don't think Microsoft should be there trying to compete with Apple in Phone segments, Tablets etc. Microsoft was always Software company. I believe key thing for Microsoft is to push PC as ultimate platform for Gaming, Professional Work, and Entertainment in General. At the end of day Apple Phone or Tablet is just little stupid thing with all its limitations which will never be able to compete Windows. I played with iPad and after hour you realize, what a stupid crap this is, absolutely useless for anything.

techguy77 said,
I don't think Microsoft should be there trying to compete with Apple in Phone segments, Tablets etc. Microsoft was always Software company. I believe key thing for Microsoft is to push PC as ultimate platform for Gaming, Professional Work, and Entertainment in General. At the end of day Apple Phone or Tablet is just little stupid thing with all its limitations which will never be able to compete Windows. I played with iPad and after hour you realize, what a stupid crap this is, absolutely useless for anything.

Shows what you know. All kinds of applications for the iPad and the tablet form factor are cropping up everywhere. There are a lot of instances where computing needs to be done while on the feet. Just about every other form factor requires someone to be sitting in order to supply input and receive output from a computing device.

Beyond that, when was the last time you read a magazine comfortably from your PC? Try that with an iPad or some other tablet now. There is quite a bit of difference there.

Microsoft can't stay focused on the PC or else they will be left behind.

Shadrack said,

Shows what you know. All kinds of applications for the iPad and the tablet form factor are cropping up everywhere. There are a lot of instances where computing needs to be done while on the feet. Just about every other form factor requires someone to be sitting in order to supply input and receive output from a computing device.

Beyond that, when was the last time you read a magazine comfortably from your PC? Try that with an iPad or some other tablet now. There is quite a bit of difference there.

Microsoft can't stay focused on the PC or else they will be left behind.


do you realize that Apple did not invent tablet form factor and also specifically slate? also do you realize the difference about computing capabilities of iPad compared to PC?

I've never liked Ballmer. Seems like a hothead. Although Microsoft has done really well for itself in recent years in its flagship products (Windows, XBox, and Office) the company has neglected its mobile platform. There also seems to be a strong disconnection between all the various groups at MS.

Microsoft seriously need to work in this otherwise they are going to suffer a serious talent drought which will only worsen their situation.

When google pulls stunts like giving all employee's right down to the cleaners a bonus, and gets ranked as one of the best places to work, people desire working there, your top talent aspires to head there, and they can head hunt who ever they want with healthy stock options and endless prospects for growth.

Who leaves college these days thinking 'I want to work for Microsoft!' I'm pretty sure the only staff they end up with are those they head hunt, who are basically whats left after google, apple and facebook have had their pick, and people who need a job, which are those passed over by the other big 3.

If I were running MS I would do something drastic, they already tried to buy facebook and thankfully failed, but they are a sizeable investor. I would leverage that, and try to merge. Facebook is currently the smaller company yes, but they are growing, and generate far more revenue per head than MS.

Create a social OS, social gaming console, be THE social phone provider through nokia. Something radical and revolutionary is the only hope MS has because they need to turn heads and stop the future talent flocking to google, apple and facebook.

But then maybe there is a reason I'm not a billionaire CEO

I would rather work at MS than Google

I bet most of the "Reviews" are just investors or people looking to get rich. For people actually interested in a "work life balance" the last company they would rate highly is APPLE or GOOGLE

satukoro said,
I'm still voting for Gates to come back. People seemed to like the company a bit more back then.

I don't think so. MS was much more hated in the 90s than 2011

blahism said,

I don't think so. MS was much more hated in the 90s than 2011

He just seemed like a friendlier CEO. It feels like Ballmer has less of a following.

I've worked for psychopaths like Balmer. Trust me, it is not fun. Unfortunately in todays corporate world, psychopaths tend to gravitate to the top.

I can't believe Bartz is rated above him though. He hasn't gotten a single successful new product out the door, and meanwhile fired tons of people.

Steve Jobs at 95% now I know that is utter bull****. Why do you suddenly think they rate Ballmer low because of his failures eg the kin ? What about something the more common employe thinks about such as working hours, working environment, pay and the certain job their doing.

He has an amazing, single minded passion. He is so blinkered, but has no actual direction. Everything is the next big thing, and then isn't.

Developers, Developers, Developers! Oh wait.. The only developers Windows attracts now are virus/rootkit/malware/botnet writers.. doh!

Flawed said,
Developers, Developers, Developers! Oh wait.. The only developers Windows attracts now are virus/rootkit/malware/botnet writers.. doh!

Go troll somewhere else thanks!

Microsoft: Why insiders think top management has lost its way

Steve Ballmer's slavish devotion to Windows and Office has made them cash cows, but some say revenues have come at the expense of innovation.

Plenty of former employees point an accusing finger at CEO Steve Ballmer. How can they avoid doing so? When Ballmer took over the company eleven years ago, Microsoft had only to let slip it was entering a field to cause trembling among competitors. These days, though, the company is known more for its misses, fumbles, and stumbles than its hits and big scores.

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/20.../?section=magazines_fortune


Salka points to the humiliation colleagues felt watching Apple (AAPL) mock them in its 'I'm a Mac, You're a PC' campaign. For years Microsoft took it, he said, without so much as counterpunch.
People hated Apple for that commercial, and you want Microsoft to do something similar? Also just how much marketshare did Mac gain as a result of "I'm a Mac" commercials? Yeh.

When Ballmer took over the company eleven years ago, Microsoft had only to let slip it was entering a field to cause trembling among competitors. These days, though, the company is known more for its misses, fumbles, and stumbles than its hits and big scores.
Bill Gates did a lot of "illegal" things to get Microsoft to that level. And back then what competitors were there? A nearly bankrupt Apple? A Google still in its infancy?

"All their internal machinery is still pointed toward Windows," James Whittaker said. "Windows always has to be first and the web is second. So the entire company is pointed at a platform becoming increasingly irrelevant."
The PC is becoming increasingly irrelevant? What kindoff world do these people live in? Tablet/Smartphone hardware still isn't anywhere near PC hardware, so unless your job requires nothing more than typing off a few emails and basic editing of some word documents you're still going to need a PC. People are still going to need servers (Windows server for example) so that isn't going away anytime soon.

[quote=/- The PC is becoming increasingly irrelevant?[/quote]

Yes, they are. Look at Asus that just sacked their CEO because iPAD ate their netbooks sales.

90% of PC users (not enterprise) don't need more than a tablet/smartphone. the other 10% are mainly gamers, professionals (art, music, photography....)

alexalex said,

Yes, they are. Look at Asus that just sacked their CEO because iPAD ate their netbooks sales.

90% of PC users (not enterprise) don't need more than a tablet/smartphone. the other 10% are mainly gamers, professionals (art, music, photography....)

1. Acer sacked their CEO, not Asus. And let's face it netbooks were a fad and have nothing to do with PCs. Not to mention Acer isn't all that great of a PC manufacturer anyways, their products are only known for one thing - Cheap.

2. 90% of statistics are made up on the spot.

3. We get it, you don't like Microsoft.

/- Razorfold said,
1. Acer sacked their CEO, not Asus. And let's face it netbooks were a fad and have nothing to do with PCs. Not to mention Acer isn't all that great of a PC manufacturer anyways, their products are only known for one thing - Cheap.

2. 90% of statistics are made up on the spot.

3. We get it, you don't like Microsoft.

Acer :-)
Cheap or not, they are the 2rd largest PC OEM.

p.s I don't like Microsoft.

alexalex said,

Acer :-)
Cheap or not, they are the 2rd largest PC OEM.

They are? Unless by that you mean 3rd, and they won't even be that for very long either. 4Q 2010, worldwide, (in brackets = 2009):

1. HP - 20.2% (19.5%)
2. Dell - 12.1% (11.9%)
3. Acer - 10.6% (12.8%)
4. Lenovo - 10.4% (8.8%)
5. Toshiba - 5.8% (5.3%)

The only one to have lost a significant amount of market share is Acer, and they're soon to be overtaken by Lenovo. It's pretty much the same story if you look at just the US marketshare (in which they rank 4th): they've dropped nearly 30% compared to 2009.

I generally like Microsoft and their products. Some interesting comments here, but for me, only one man can turn things at Microsoft around.

That man: Bill Gates.

I know, he retired, so it probably won't happen. Thing is, Microsoft's never been the same since he left. Maybe we've all gotten more sophisticated since the days of Windows 95. There is also more competition than there used to be. I don't know. Microsoft just doesn't seem to have the "cool" factor they once did. Funny how things evolve. Will Microsoft even be around in 20 years? Or have they had their "one shining moment" to borrow a basketball term.

COKid said,
I generally like Microsoft and their products. Some interesting comments here, but for me, only one man can turn things at Microsoft around.

That man: Bill Gates.

I know, he retired, so it probably won't happen. Thing is, Microsoft's never been the same since he left. Maybe we've all gotten more sophisticated since the days of Windows 95. There is also more competition than there used to be. I don't know. Microsoft just doesn't seem to have the "cool" factor they once did. Funny how things evolve. Will Microsoft even be around in 20 years? Or have they had their "one shining moment" to borrow a basketball term.

Microsoft bumps Ballmer, brings back Bill
Company founder Bill Gates pledges to rescue company from 'third-world' fate

Microsoft today announced that company founder Bill Gates is resuming his former role as CEO effective immediately. The fate of his successor and now predecessor Steve Ballmer remains unclear; for the time being, he will be on "a temporary leave of absence," according to a statement from Microsoft.

"I intend to pick up where I left off when I stepped down as CEO in 2000," said Gates at a press conference at Microsoft headquarters in Redmond, Wash. "We have the talent and expertise here at Microsoft to be the top software company in the world, not just on PCs and servers but on smartphones and on tablets and in the cloud."

Gates said that Ballmer has done a "commendable job" as CEO in recent years during a time when the economy has struggled and the software industry has undergone tremendous change. "Windows 7 has been a huge success, and [Steve Ballmer] deserves a lot of the credit for that," said Gates.

"The foundation will continue doing its vital work under [Foundation CEO Jeff Raikes] and Melinda," Gates said. "I'm not at all concerned about the leadership we have in place there."

The stock market reacted favorably to the announcement, with Microsoft shares jumping 8 percent in early trading. Analysts, meanwhile, were cautiously bullish about the news. "Look, Microsoft has needed a change in leadership for a while now. Something should have given after the Vista debacle," said Don Simmons, an analyst at research company Desmond and Gourd. "Yes, they finally got it right with Windows 7, but now they're way behind in mobile and search and cloud computing."...

http://www.infoworld.com/t/mis...allmer-brings-back-bill-243

I would disagree completely. I think Gates was all over the place. Especially, during the vista years. Right now i feel like MS is getting more and more streamlined and you can see it in their products. After Gates left MS has been on a pretty good tear with WIN 7, WP7, Xbox, kinect, Bing, office, not to mention the business/server side of the world. The stocks not moving because MS isn't the stock market darlings like apple and google. But that crap is cyclical so we'll see.

COKid said,
I generally like Microsoft and their products. Some interesting comments here, but for me, only one man can turn things at Microsoft around.

That man: Bill Gates.

I know, he retired, so it probably won't happen. Thing is, Microsoft's never been the same since he left. Maybe we've all gotten more sophisticated since the days of Windows 95. There is also more competition than there used to be. I don't know. Microsoft just doesn't seem to have the "cool" factor they once did. Funny how things evolve. Will Microsoft even be around in 20 years? Or have they had their "one shining moment" to borrow a basketball term.

It doesn't matter if the Kin was a failure (it sucked anyway) or WP7 is not selling everything they thought it was.. Ballmer is still earning a lot of f****** money for the company, so it's ok.

Brian Miller said,
It's more amusing to see Carol Bartz's approval rating drop so much.
lol, women in business, not in the kitchen .

so nobody is going to mention that some company that uses anon "surveys" that require 0 proof of where people work may not be the best way to judge how employees feel about CEOs? it's not like the data could possibly be tainted in any way...

I thought I saw somewhere before (on another one of these balmer bashing stories) that those surveyed were ex-employees...

twist said,
so nobody is going to mention that some company that uses anon "surveys" that require 0 proof of where people work may not be the best way to judge how employees feel about CEOs? it's not like the data could possibly be tainted in any way...

He's made way too many mistakes in his short time. He should have stuck with what they were doing right and made those successes grow. Zune is(was?) great, they should have pushed it more.

Flawed said,

The sales numbers belie your assertion.

His statement that "Zune is(was) great" is accurate. His statement says nothing about sales numbers despite the fact that Zune did not sell as well as iPod. However, this is how it is successful; every time someone comapres a mobile entertainment device to the iPod the first and possibly only device thats mentioned is Zune. Thats a measure of Zune's success.

Flawed said,

The sales numbers belie your assertion.

Exactly why Ballmer fails. Everything is about the sales numbers. Courier got shelved because he didn't think the sales numbers would be high enough. Then the iPad came out and he yet again looked like an idiot.

I don't think you know how the world works.
Also, Courier didn't get shelved because of sales numbers ... it got shelved because it didn't fit into the MS future vision and hardware constraints. They looked ahead saw the tablet market (ipads) and said what's next? They decided it was best to use their resources to go full steam ahead on what's next. Not d*cK around with what wouldn't work. Now you see the leaks/rumors on Win8 (full PC capability, light enough for tablet, unified app system). The courier tech will make is appearance in Win 8. I believe (even though i loved what I saw in the courier) that it was the best decision.

geoken said,

Exactly why Ballmer fails. Everything is about the sales numbers. Courier got shelved because he didn't think the sales numbers would be high enough. Then the iPad came out and he yet again looked like an idiot.

jibba jabba said,
I don't think you know how the world works.
Also, Courier didn't get shelved because of sales numbers ... it got shelved because it didn't fit into the MS future vision and hardware constraints. They looked ahead saw the tablet market (ipads) and said what's next? They decided it was best to use their resources to go full steam ahead on what's next. Not d*cK around with what wouldn't work. Now you see the leaks/rumors on Win8 (full PC capability, light enough for tablet, unified app system). The courier tech will make is appearance in Win 8. I believe (even though i loved what I saw in the courier) that it was the best decision.

So in summary, in about 2 years MS will finally push something out to rival the iPad and Ballmer will again say (sorry I missed the boat. But now that Apple and Google have shown us the way, we'll be quick to catch up to them).

I'd love for you to explain to me how the world works. Apparently, being a forward thinker like Bill Gates or Steve Jobs is not the path to success and making un-inspired reactionary decisions like Ballmer is the best.

perochan said,
give everyone a raise and the rating will surely goes up.

This, basically. If Wall Street had any attention span and still loved MSFT, employees would mostly be cashing in stock awards and praising Ballmer as the greatest thing.

If any other company had produced a gadget like Kinect, that crushed sales records and spawned entire hacking communities, investors still wouldn't be able to buy the stock fast enough. Because it's MS, they aggressively don't care.

Just one question: Why does it seem like everyone hates Ballmer? Is it because "he acts like a fool" (developers, developers, developers)?

astroX said,
Just one question: Why does it seem like everyone hates Ballmer? Is it because "he acts like a fool" (developers, developers, developers)?

I don't hate him. He learns from his "mistakes" extremely well, unfortunately investors don't like "mistakes". Especially when theres people like steve jobs around, who can make something not impressive - impressive, and make huge profit in a fairly consistent manner.

Side note:
Anyone think steve jobs made a pact with the devil (his success for his life), and now the devil is seeking his end of the bargain? Think about it... jobs does have this cult that worships him. Jobs may use Medical science to cheat the devil out of the pact, but Hollywood always shows that the devil gets the last laugh.
lol j/k i wish him well .

People may hate balmer, but he sure does give the green light to many great projects at microsoft. A lot of CEOs in other companies would just be narrow minded and stick with what they are good at.

astroX said,
Just one question: Why does it seem like everyone hates Ballmer? Is it because "he acts like a fool" (developers, developers, developers)?

Shrug. If you see AAPL and GOOG employees/investors getting rich from stock while MSFT spins in neutral for ten years, you feel the frustrated need to blame somebody. Ballmer is #1 at MS, so he's a natural high-profile target, and he certainly doesn't project the same kind of vision as Gates or Jobs.

astroX said,
Just one question: Why does it seem like everyone hates Ballmer? Is it because "he acts like a fool" (developers, developers, developers)?

People repeat the "developers, developers, developers" bit quite often, but Jobs has the same mantra, although it is quite a bit more muted. Jobs, in each of his talks, keeps repeating apps, apps, apps. Jobs learned from Ballmer many years ago that it is all about developers - without developers, you would not have apps. Where Ballmer realized it early on, Jobs did not find this out until after the initial (somewhat of a failure) iPhone release where he thought people would be driven to the iPhone with the "SDK" known as HTML in a browser. The iPhone was not a success until a real SDK was released, but people conveniently forget that part.

astroX said,
Just one question: Why does it seem like everyone hates Ballmer? Is it because "he acts like a fool" (developers, developers, developers)?

He's a convenient scape goat for Microsoft's failings, an easy target if you will. When all is said and done, the company as a whole has been on the decline for a number of years. At the moment, Microsoft is in the finger pointing phase of self destruction.

astroX said,
Just one question: Why does it seem like everyone hates Ballmer? Is it because "he acts like a fool" (developers, developers, developers)?

I don't hate Ballmer. I just don't believe he is the right person to lead Microsoft. Ballmer does not have the vision to leave a technology company. If he had Microsoft would have owned the tablet mart and maybe even the smartphone market. Bill Gates predicted that these products would one day be in consumer's hands.

astroX said,
Just one question: Why does it seem like everyone hates Ballmer? Is it because "he acts like a fool" (developers, developers, developers)?

No, it's because he appears to have no foresight. Rather than having the ability to imagine and architect great visions of the future, his ability seems limited to examining the market in it's current form and creating products to monetize that.

He already admitted to being asleep at the wheel when the iPhone came out and as a result allowed Microsoft to fall behind several years in the smart phone market. Then, not having the foresight to predict the tablet market until the iPad came out, he shelved Courier. He never spoke openly about it, but in his cryptic messages he alluded that it wouldn't be worth building unless it could sell x amount of units. Bill Gates would have definitely built the Courier, he would have recognized it as the future (just as Steve Jobs does).

astroX said,
Just one question: Why does it seem like everyone hates Ballmer? Is it because "he acts like a fool" (developers, developers, developers)?

Besides acting like a fool, Ballmer has said very stupid things from time to time .

ekw said,

I don't hate him. He learns from his "mistakes" extremely well, unfortunately investors don't like "mistakes". Especially when theres people like steve jobs around, who can make something not impressive - impressive, and make huge profit in a fairly consistent manner.

Side note:
Anyone think steve jobs made a pact with the devil (his success for his life), and now the devil is seeking his end of the bargain? Think about it... jobs does have this cult that worships him. Jobs may use Medical science to cheat the devil out of the pact, but Hollywood always shows that the devil gets the last laugh.
lol j/k i wish him well .

People may hate balmer, but he sure does give the green light to many great projects at microsoft. A lot of CEOs in other companies would just be narrow minded and stick with what they are good at.

Adamb10 said,
Ballmer isnt a bad CEO, he's just boring. He lacks the excitement that Steve Jobs and Eric Schmidt have.

Steve Jobs is incredibly boring. He has like 3 keywords "Amazing, Brilliant, Magical" and strings those into sentences spoken at a snails pace with no life. Eric Schmidt has excitement now too? I think both could bore a turtle. Ballmer is easily the most exciting of them all.
Ballmer lacks charisma, not excitement. He also isn't techie enough to be taken seriously.

Adamb10 said,
Ballmer isnt a bad CEO, he's just boring. He lacks the excitement that Steve Jobs and Eric Schmidt have.

Actually he is the opposite of boring, but that does not make a good CEO.

A good CEO ensures that the right people are on the right projects and the projects are allowed to be completed to a level that consumers want.

Steve Jobs is like watching dried paint, but he ensures that when Apple puts out a project, the people working on that project get the resources to complete it, and what they are not able to complete, he augments with a lot of marketing to hide the dents and flat tires before he goes on stage to sell it.

Wow, big surprise.

Ballmer has been a train wreck. He is a money minded person, not a technology minded person, so unless it makes a quick buck, he doesn't like it, even if the technology would save the world.

Gates was the opposite, he would throw money down a rabbit hole if he thought it the technology would be better for the consumers or industry.

Profitable does not always mean best, and immediate profit return is a bad strategy in technology.

So, maybe Ballmer will get the hint?

If the difference between Gates and Ballmer isn't obvsious, look at the last few elections cycles. In both the state and national levels, Ballmer and Gates put their money on the opposite side of almost every important issue. Ballmer shoved a lot of money to protect rich people, and supported anyone that would step on a poor person to maintain a tax cut for his billions. Gates did the opposite. (I personally like rich people, but also realize that not being able to buy an extra Ferrari is not as important as a family that is living paycheck to paycheck. $5000 to someone that is rich is not noticed, $5000 to an average person or family is the difference between making it or not.)

Ballmer put money up, look at the xbox division and Bing/Windows Live.. those were huge pits for the longest time and the people he has now heading up those units seem to know what they're doing these days. I don't think business wise that Ballmer and Gates were that much different.. tech wise, Gates i give the benefit of the doubt, but he was still a business man first.

With that said, I'd take Ballmer over some of the other big CEO's out there these days. Imagine the hell hole MS would be with Larry Ellison at the helm

blahism said,
Ballmer put money up, look at the xbox division and Bing/Windows Live.. those were huge pits for the longest time and the people he has now heading up those units seem to know what they're doing these days. I don't think business wise that Ballmer and Gates were that much different.. tech wise, Gates i give the benefit of the doubt, but he was still a business man first.

With that said, I'd take Ballmer over some of the other big CEO's out there these days. Imagine the hell hole MS would be with Larry Ellison at the helm

The XBox project was very much Bill Gates, not Ballmer. The Live project is the evolution of MSN, again a Bill Gates project. Show a new project that didn't have the Gates vision or blessing on it that Ballmer has put the right type of resources into it.

Heck even with the online Live and integration, funding has been yanked and yanked, even though it holds the future for Microsoft, which Ballmer does not get. If it wasn't for the core NT people with a lot of pull and credibility working on Azure, Live might not even exist at this point.

There is so much technology Microsoft has at its fingertips, and the final few investments to integrate it fully or push it to the consumer level is where Ballmer and his crew pull the funding and the teams off the projects, cause they aren't 'currently' making money.

Even look at the TabletPC, again a Gates investment, that has only been kept alive through the original planned Vista integration of features before Ballmer took over. This was a market for Microsoft to lose, and Ballmer did exactly that by side stepping the 'extras' to round out the product for more general consumer use.

Even letting the Office project manager down play TabletPC features, and literally rip handwriting features out of Office was something Ballmer let happen because of the $$.

If a housing developer worked like Ballmer and his crew, they would build houses and once they started adding sheet rock, stucco and paint, realize it hasn't made any money and stop work on it. Yet for some reason Ballmer doesn't get that most people only buy 'finished' houses, not a wooden frame and some plumbing.

Well Steve "Monkey Boy" Ballmer still has nothing to the worst CEO, compared to the now private corporation that I used to work for.

Steve Ballmer should be pushed out of the CEO role and replaced with a forward thinker.

Microsoft is a successful company, however it's not performing anywhere near its potential.

kizzaaa said,

Microsoft is a successful company, however it's not performing anywhere near its potential.

And you think that is due to one individual? If you consider that Bill Gates presided over the development of Vista, then it's not unconscionable to reach the conclusion that the problem resides in Microsoft as a company. I for one wont be sorry to see its demise. In fact, it's long overdue in my opinion, and might actually encourage innovation through the breaking of the shackles of proprietary bondage.

Flawed said,

And you think that is due to one individual? If you consider that Bill Gates presided over the development of Vista, then it's not unconscionable to reach the conclusion that the problem resides in Microsoft as a company. I for one wont be sorry to see its demise. In fact, it's long overdue in my opinion, and might actually encourage innovation through the breaking of the shackles of proprietary bondage.

How is it long overdue when Microsoft is doing much better than before: Windows 7, Office 2010, IE9, WP7. They are going up not down. I don't see any hint in their demise.

Flawed said,

And you think that is due to one individual?....If you consider that Bill Gates presided over the development of Vista,

Firstly Bill Gates did not come back to oversee Vista, he came back to oversee the development of the .net Framework.

Regarding the one individual comment...It absolutely comes down to one person - The person at the top. I saw a fantastic comment on an article pointing out how Bill Gates wanted to make great products that inspired people through technical awesomeness (paraphrasing). Whereas, Ballmer wants to just win marketshare through clever business techniques rather than letting products speak for themselves.

Microsoft are churning huge profits each year ($18 billion last year) and still spending $9 billion on research per annum alone. They won't be going anywhere for a while but if Ballmer leaves i would want to see another Techhy take the reins.

Flawed said,

And you think that is due to one individual? If you consider that Bill Gates presided over the development of Vista, then it's not unconscionable to reach the conclusion that the problem resides in Microsoft as a company. I for one wont be sorry to see its demise. In fact, it's long overdue in my opinion, and might actually encourage innovation through the breaking of the shackles of proprietary bondage.

Um you need to timeline Vista a bit better, and also a bit of understanding of the technology aspects of Vista, and you would completely take back your comment.

Gates pushed for the technologies that are at the core of Vista, and wanted even more by moving away from the Win32 subsystem with a new managed code .NET subsystem.

These core technologies in Vista are what makes Win7 brilliant, but were new and unpolished and didn't have the driver support for all the new technologies like the WDDM, audio stack, network stack, etc etc... (Ballmer didn't want to dump more money into polishing it either.)

As for the managed code subsystem, this can still be seen today in .NET, WPF, Silverlight development and is also the basis of the ZuneHD and WP7, as it uses a new managed OS platform model.

Sadly because of Ballmer more of Vista and even Win7 was not moved to the new managed frameworks.

I would love for Gates to take over as CEO. Look at his 'projects' like the .NET stuff and the technologies built on .NET, they are brilliant.

Flawed said,

...might actually encourage innovation through the breaking of the shackles of proprietary bondage.

Comrades, break the chains of proprietary oppression!

The reason I say Ballmer needs to go is because he has missed or been exceptionally slow to respond to market demands. For instance: Zune is better than iPod+iTunes in a lot of ways but you'd never know because those special features were never advertised and Zune came in to late to convince people to switch. Windows Phone 7 the jury is still out and I think WP7 will do well but again, its way late to the game. Delying WP7 just to bring a little more functionality to Windows Mobile was a huge mistake.

KIN - No need to say anything more.

Tablets - Ballmer promised them in January of last year and the devices are still pretty much ghosts. Microsoft had the vision for these devices but never developed it because Ballmer is too busy trying to keep Microsoft as purely a software company has he possibly can. Microsoft could have owned this segment but it relied too much on OEMs to deliver the hardware but they have no vision at all.

HP has already started to move away from Micorsoft with the purchase of Palm and with Linux. Sooner or later Dell will get a clue and realize they need to do the same to compete with HP and Apple and Microsoft will left with the smallest OEMs to sell its software to. Micorsoft needs to enter the hardware market before its too late to enter the market and trying to change things after the fact.

dazhu said,
Balmer is at a lower rate

but Carol Bartz is decreasing at an alarming rate.


that's because yahoo has been assimilated by bing. Resistance to the Microsoft partnership pariah effect is futile. Next up is Stephen Elop, and his approbation of Nokia's annexation by Microsoft.

Flawed said,
Next up is Stephen Elop, and his approbation of Nokia's annexation by Microsoft.

I would disagree there. I just watched Stephen Elop speak at McMaster University over the weekend. He discussed the evaluation process Nokia went through in order to decide. He elaborated on the 'burning platform' memo that was leaked to the public.

All said and done, Stephen worked with all of Nokia to due their due diligence in the evaluation process.

I see his approval rating inside the company going up.

no wonder there are so many leaks.. They will need someone new as soon as all these renewal projects are over to really push them.. Like WP7, Xbox Kinect, Windows 7, Windows Home Server 2011 and these sort of things that make them look fresh.. Time for a fresh CEO as well I guess

Lachlan said,
no wonder there are so many leaks.. They will need someone new as soon as all these renewal projects are over to really push them.. Like WP7, Xbox Kinect, Windows 7, Windows Home Server 2011 and these sort of things that make them look fresh.. Time for a fresh CEO as well I guess

Okay, at least when it comes to actual builds, Windows 8 is anything but a prone to leaking platform.

Lachlan said,
no wonder there are so many leaks.. They will need someone new as soon as all these renewal projects are over to really push them.. Like WP7, Xbox Kinect, Windows 7, Windows Home Server 2011 and these sort of things that make them look fresh.. Time for a fresh CEO as well I guess

I agree with you, they need to have a more tight approach for the OS. The leak factor cancels the suspense factor of W8 and i believe it's good to keep people away until the finish product is out. I hope they can improve on this.

Lachlan said,
no wonder there are so many leaks.. They will need someone new as soon as all these renewal projects are over to really push them.. Like WP7, Xbox Kinect, Windows 7, Windows Home Server 2011 and these sort of things that make them look fresh.. Time for a fresh CEO as well I guess

I agree with you, they need to have a more tight approach for the OS. The leak factor cancels the suspense factor of W8 and i believe it's good to keep people away until the finish product is out. I hope they can improve on this. Even thought i believe part of the leak is because of the OEM having access to the OS.

I dont know if he needs out, but Microsoft needs to be restructured it seems. They need to find a way to integrate better within the company and move quicker. If he is the one holding that back then he is the one who needs to go. Other than that I like what he has been doing. (Windows 7, Office 2010, WP7 (Mostly), Kinect, Windows 8 on ARM versus phone OS tablets)

BoyBoppins said,
I dont know if he needs out, but Microsoft needs to be restructured it seems. They need to find a way to integrate better within the company and move quicker. If he is the one holding that back then he is the one who needs to go. Other than that I like what he has been doing. (Windows 7, Office 2010, WP7 (Mostly), Kinect, Windows 8 on ARM versus phone OS tablets)

I should say I also dont agree with how they market their products. Windows 7 and XBOX related marketing has been good though. They need to do something about that.

BoyBoppins said,
I dont know if he needs out, but Microsoft needs to be restructured it seems. They need to find a way to integrate better within the company and move quicker. If he is the one holding that back then he is the one who needs to go.

I think that's Department of Justice's numerous overseers that don't allow integration (remember how theyreacted to the idea of integrating OS and browser). What's good is that after all these years it's going to end pretty soon.

BoyBoppins said,
I dont know if he needs out, but Microsoft needs to be restructured it seems. They need to find a way to integrate better within the company and move quicker. If he is the one holding that back then he is the one who needs to go. Other than that I like what he has been doing. (Windows 7, Office 2010, WP7 (Mostly), Kinect, Windows 8 on ARM versus phone OS tablets)
Steven Sinofsky did Windows 7 and is doing Windows 8. If it were in Ballmer's hands, it would have been just like Windows Vista - ****ty.

The approval rating going <50% shows how much the employees don't like their leader. Time to kick Ballmer out.

Apple-a-Day said,
And Windows 7 phone is not really launching with all the whoo haa it should .. which is sad because it seems like a nice OS

So true, they're not reaching the public