Microsoft hinting more features coming for Windows Phone 7.8

Microsoft announced earlier in June that current Windows Phone devices would not be able to be upgraded, at least officially, to Windows Phone 8 (although we are sure a few hackers out their might attempt an unofficial upgrade at some point). Instead, all those Windows Phone products out in the world will get what Microsoft is calling Windows Phone 7.8.

So far, the only new feature that Microsoft has revealed for Windows Phone 7.8 is the new Start screen, as shown in the video above. WPCentral.com claims to have heard directly from Microsoft reps that the Start screen will be the only new addition for Windows Phone 7.8.

However, there is now some evidence that Microsoft is in fact holding back and there will be more than just a new Start screen coming for current Windows Phone owners. WPCentral.com points out that Microsoft's Channel 9 video site has a recording of a presentation made for the recent TechEd Europe 2012 conference.

During the presentation, which concerned Windows Phone app development, Senior Product Manager and Windows Phone team member Larry Lieberman answers an audience question about what else might be included in Windows Phone 7.8:

Will Windows Phone 7.8 get new features as well that you can access as a developer? Maybe. We haven't announced it yet. All we've announced is the new Start screen at this point. Sorry, nothing new to announce. You're asking me stuff I can't answer.

The answer definitely sounds like Microsoft has more up its sleeve when it comes to Windows Phone 7.8. Perhaps some more features that are supposed to be exclusive to Windows Phone 8 might find their way to the Windows Phone 7.8 update after all.

Via: WPCentral.com
Source: Channel 9 website

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sounds like there's a whole lot of ignorant droid and iOS users commenting....

Firstly and let's get this out there early...there are round about 400 Mil Android devices in play right now and only 5% odd are ICS...even the droid fanboys have to admit that anything prior to 4.x was Sh*te...so lets not imagine or fantasize about who's upgrading what in the droid universe ok, cause Google aint supporting d*ck like they should be really.....

WinPho 7 is basically gen 1 - first iteration running a variant of .net and a Silverlight application core among other things… it's like 18 months old and has 2 major updates, and a minor update or 2...'Stable As' and fast...now when i say fast i mean better than JB ‘Project Butter' which is just coming out in JB and is solving an issue which has been around for 9 freaking revisions of an OS that's based on Linux one of the fast embedded OS' that ever existed...

Assume I'm lying and take a read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)

Keep in mind also we are talking WinPho 7 running single core as well not freakin 4 core overclocked stuttering my ass off on ICS comparisons that are around…If Google didn't know there was a problem for 9 revisions of its OS over 3+ years then we are talking serious issues…

V1 winpho with only single core support has never had the issues droid has seen and MS built it from the ground up and built a new usability workflow, not relied on an open source codebase which they basically built a skin on (by the way Google didn't get that right till like yesterday really)...

As an aside, Lumia series phones have, since their release always reviewed well and in terms of reliability, design, battery life, responsiveness, integrated social networking experience and overall build quality, phew; Always stood out in comparison to even todays phones (you can see reviews all over YouTube etc comparing Lumia 900 to Phone 4s or htc one X, or Galaxy s3 all very much newer phones with much more advanced internals)… for $0.01 on a 2 year contract and you're not a nutcase who thinks that using the latest droid is going to solve world hunger, that's a freaking awesome deal for what is an awesome phone for its generation (gen 1 winpho 7 blah blah read above)…or I can say it likes this…you give this to a family member who isn't addicted to apple products and doesn't have a smart phone currently but is using that ld skool sh*t and they will be absolutely wrapped, I'm talking whole body erection, why, cause they not crazy like some of the ppl here it seems…

Now that we've established some comparative facts (I've left iOS out cause id need 7 blog entries to do it some justice also, ahem) lets address winPho8 and why it most likely doesn't play nice on winpho 7 hardware.

It using the Windows 8 kernal…i.e. it's all different from a code and driver perspective…now when u got phones out there with 512 Mb and you gotta run a new kernel and driver model and then the .net emulator and the winRt variant (or lets say you were lucky and ran the rt variant only which will be heavier cause it supports native code etc) to get everything working right; well all I can say is aint gonna happen any day soon, not if you expect to keep it ‘Buttery smooth' (yes MS used the term first now JB project butter following on…

Now I could stop here and you boys (maybe girls although I'm usually surprised when girls comment on these things) should have enough to think about but of course we need to add all the new hardware that winpho 8 supports…

What do you do with all that stuff on winpho 7??? Not a lot…oh that's right geniuses out there probably think well you disable this and you do that…sttoooppp ittttttt…sh*t is integrated in winPho., like lets see skype will be....will use whole new sdk's built in as OS level…it's a nightmare to support and no one who knows anything about software would do it…

As for whoever said ie 10 could blah blah blah run…it's a c++ app…run where fool??? Oh yes, lets build a special version that runs only on the hybridized winpho OS and use the desktop version on whinpho 8…nuff said…really me thinks…

Lastly I need to say it cause its never said…out of the box winpho is the most integrated experience whether it be ppl hub, office, xbox games or bing search…you don't need 1million fart sound apps in your app store to feel good about yourself when u have winpho X…cause basically out of the box it freaking awesome and evcerything run from live tiles to integrated experience between apps to social already…none of the other platforms offer this and their sprinting to try and increase the alerting capability and provide (what did apple say) deeper Facebook and twitter support into their os…

Let the flaming begin, enjoy

Once again people are reading meaning into words that arent there because they are so desperate for more. This is typical MS, hint and hint but then finally admit there really is nothing new coming, all the hints were just to keep you happy. Remember the evangelist who said WP8 would be released for all handsets? Only a fool would believe any "hint" by someone who could turn round and retract the statement any second.

DrakeN2k said,
I expect my phone early WP7 device to support NFC !
and also to support expandable SD slot !

NFC isn't just software, it requires additional hardware that 1st gen phones don't have. Expandable storage would be nice but most 1st gen devices don't even have the slot available.

Even at the Summit, they said in follow up, that 'only announcing the start screen, for now'.

How is this statement any different or new? They have other changes in 7.8, but the ONLY ANNOUNCED feature is the start screen. That does not seem very complicated to comprehend.

I'm sure there is more to come in terms of WP8 OS & integrated app improvements being fitted to WP7.8. It would make a lot of sense to do this so as to keep the discussion about WP8 more about the changes in hardware specification and the switch to the shared Windows core. For example, if WP8 starts making full use of the ActiveSync features (e.g. Tasks) then why not add those to 7.8? Yes, in the short term Microsoft will have to work harder to maintain the 7.x codestream but that'll mean they won't alienate existing customers or get a bad reputation right from the off about not supporting upgrades.

The problem is that this stance of not being able to announce this is letting the story take control rather than the other way round.

I had 6.5 running on my Tilt, I have 4.0.4 running on my captivate and have 2.3 running on my OG droid, thanks to XDA, you never know what can happen with the great developer community out there, I would love to have WP8 on my Focus Flash but will settle for 7.8 if thats all I get, Its not like your phone running 7.5 will stop working the day Wp8 comes out...

Microsoft hasn't made any public announcement in regards to 7.8 and for good reason, Apple and Google. The only thing they have said is it will include the start screen from WP8.
When they are ready for a public announcement in regards to both WP7x and WP8 they will make it.

korupt_one said,
Microsoft hasn't made any public announcement in regards to 7.8 and for good reason, Apple and Google. The only thing they have said is it will include the start screen from WP8.
When they are ready for a public announcement in regards to both WP7x and WP8 they will make it.

Agreed. They learned their lesson about announcing early last time I think. They don't want to give any features away just yet.

korupt_one said,
Microsoft hasn't made any public announcement in regards to 7.8 and for good reason, Apple and Google. The only thing they have said is it will include the start screen from WP8.
When they are ready for a public announcement in regards to both WP7x and WP8 they will make it.

They've already made announcements for IE10 and Skype integration, among others. You'd think those wouldn't be hardware-based, either. But Microsoft is keeping quiet about it, and the fanboys are rushing to defend Microsoft like they did when Microsoft kept quiet about its upgrade plans.

Have fun.

Well they'll have to change the Music+Video app to get rid of any mentions of Zune. But other than that, I don't know.

Ryne said,
I wouldn't suggest anyone buy Windows 7 phones. Pointless.

So would you say the same thing about a 6 month android device or a 1 year old android device. Cause I really doubt a 1 year old android device will get jellybean and would probably be a stretch if a six month old device got jellybean.
That is such a stupid statement to make.

Ryne said,
I wouldn't suggest anyone buy Windows 7 phones. Pointless.

At this point it would make sense to wait for WP8 devices... Agreed.

korupt_one said,

Cause I really doubt a 1 year old android device will get jellybean and would probably be a stretch if a six month old device got jellybean.

Nexus S is getting JB. I am sure lots of other phones will get it as well.

korupt_one said,

So would you say the same thing about a 6 month android device or a 1 year old android device. Cause I really doubt a 1 year old android device will get jellybean and would probably be a stretch if a six month old device got jellybean.
That is such a stupid statement to make.


When I recommend Android Phones I recommend high-end ones. Are you suggesting Samsung Galaxy S III, the HTC One and the Galaxy Nexus are not getting JB?

I strongly discourage people from buying a crappy Android Phone as I do with people getting any Windows Phone (even though I own one as well) and the free iPhone 3GS. Regardless, you are spending more money on the life of your contract on data. As might as well get your money's worth.

korupt_one said,

So would you say the same thing about a 6 month android device or a 1 year old android device. Cause I really doubt a 1 year old android device will get jellybean and would probably be a stretch if a six month old device got jellybean.
That is such a stupid statement to make.


I definitely believe solid android devices released in the past year will get the update. They won't leave Xperia/S3's out to dry.

I firmly believe in what I said. Unless it doesn't matter to you, buying a Win 7 phone is pointless with Win 8 phones around the corner. Why intentionally gimp yourself or leave yourself open to buyer's remorse? Might as well wait to see what Win 8 offers.

Trying yourself to win 7 now really is "stupid"

korupt_one said,

So would you say the same thing about a 6 month android device or a 1 year old android device. Cause I really doubt a 1 year old android device will get jellybean and would probably be a stretch if a six month old device got jellybean.
That is such a stupid statement to make.

I wouldn't recommend anyone getting the Lumia 900 (April 2012)

korupt_one said,

So would you say the same thing about a 6 month android device or a 1 year old android device. Cause I really doubt a 1 year old android device will get jellybean and would probably be a stretch if a six month old device got jellybean.
That is such a stupid statement to make.


Simply untrue. My Xoom (which is almost a year and half old now) will get Jelly Bean. As will my 6 month old Galaxy Nexus (in fact it already does), and I'm more than certain they aren't the only two. So yea...nice try. But FAIL.

Ryne said,
I wouldn't suggest anyone buy Windows 7 phones. Pointless.

I think it depends. The WP7 from LG that I have currently sells for 150€ in Germany. If someone is not as much into "I need apps" I definitely would recommend it at that price point.

The Lumia 900... well, it is a really, really nice device. But for a phone that after only a few months has written "legacy device" all over it, the price just isn't attractive.

Ryne said,
I wouldn't suggest anyone buy Windows 7 phones. Pointless.

Ya it would be better to have 10 FC a day on a laggy phone for another six months...

Oh wait, no it wouldn't. If you can afford flipping devices and aren't running WP7 today, you are cheating yourself of a lot of time that Android and iOS take out of your day requiring your attention that WP7 does not.

The speed and stability over Android and iOS should be enough of a reason alone.

thenetavenger said,

Ya it would be better to have 10 FC a day on a laggy phone for another six months...

Oh wait, no it wouldn't. If you can afford flipping devices and aren't running WP7 today, you are cheating yourself of a lot of time that Android and iOS take out of your day requiring your attention that WP7 does not.

The speed and stability over Android and iOS should be enough of a reason alone.

What is this FC imaginary issue are you speaking off. I don't have it on my phone at all. Please tell me how to recreate this issue that only happens to Microsoft's cheerleaders?

Ryne said,
I wouldn't suggest anyone buy Windows 7 phones. Pointless.

Maybe get the name right BEFORE posting, it's Windows Phone 7 NOT Windows 7 Phone!!!

My friend who works at Microsoft in Redmond (he is not in the Windows Phone division, though), heard from inside that Windows Phone 7.8 will have Skype integrated into the OS. He is not absolutely sure, but that's what they are talking about in Redmond.

Aletheia said,
My friend who works at Microsoft in Redmond (he is not in the Windows Phone division, though), heard from inside that Windows Phone 7.8 will have Skype integrated into the OS. He is not absolutely sure, but that's what they are talking about in Redmond.

I think that is more wishful thinking then anything else. Almost everyone would like to see skype intergrated into the OS.

They need to get the lead out. I could see reps at stores steering people away from WP7 because of this. Ya know, because they magically know anything negative about the devices despite calling it WinMo.

Chica Ami said,
WP 7.8 for devices that can't upgrade to WP8. Case closed.

Comment that makes no sense. Case closed.

Chica Ami said,
WP 7.8 for devices that can't upgrade to WP8. Case closed.

I don't get it, if you were a geek/nerd/tech enthusiast who really cared about Windows Phone 8, you'd want to ditch your current phone and wait for the new hardware anyway.

Chica Ami said,
WP 7.8 for devices that can't upgrade to WP8. Case closed.

And? That doesn't mean that there won't be new features in WP7.8.

Chica Ami said,
WP 7.8 for devices that can't upgrade to WP8. Case closed.
i'm guessing we will get xbox music, as i doubt they would leave all their old customers with a service that doesn't exsist anymore

Jack O Neill said,

iPhone 3g didn't get iOS 5.. doesn't mean its worthless..


And iOS 5 was released over 3 years after the iPhone 3G came out (with iOS 2). Nice try though. Good luck even getting 12-18 months of updates from Windows Phone or Android.

roadwarrior said,

And iOS 5 was released over 3 years after the iPhone 3G came out (with iOS 2). Nice try though. Good luck even getting 12-18 months of updates from Windows Phone or Android.

That's not the point. The point is that the phone, even without updates, still functions.

roadwarrior said,

And iOS 5 was released over 3 years after the iPhone 3G came out (with iOS 2). Nice try though. Good luck even getting 12-18 months of updates from Windows Phone or Android.

I have a Windows Phone and I got 12-18 months of updates

PmRd said,

I have a Windows Phone and I got 12-18 months of updates

In fact, MS promised 18 months of updates for every major release.

Jack O Neill said,

iPhone 3g didn't get iOS 5.. doesn't mean its worthless..

As a former iPhone 3G owner, it became worthless (ie. unusable) as soon as iOS 4 was released for it.

x9_ said,

As a former iPhone 3G owner, it became worthless (ie. unusable) as soon as iOS 4 was released for it.

I prefer Microsoft being honest and saying it won't run than giving us the update and having it run like crap. Windows Phone 7.8 is Microsoft's way of doing that and I am really happy with it. I'm sure if Windows Phone 8 would have been comptabile with old phones they would have released the update.. Anyway who keeps a phone for more than two years? I know it sucks for Lumia owners.. But hey you got a Lumia!

roadwarrior said,

And iOS 5 was released over 3 years after the iPhone 3G came out (with iOS 2). Nice try though. Good luck even getting 12-18 months of updates from Windows Phone or Android.

My motorola xoom is already 15months old, and Google has already said it'd receive Jelly Bean. So I believe the Nice try goes to you.. Also it has received every update that's been released since it came out. from 3.0 all the way to 4.0.4 and soon 4.1

Off-topic, but I think I speak for everyone when I say that Android's best and worst feature is being open-source.

SharpGreen said,

My motorola xoom is already 15months old, and Google has already said it'd receive Jelly Bean. So I believe the Nice try goes to you.. Also it has received every update that's been released since it came out. from 3.0 all the way to 4.0.4 and soon 4.1

Well you magically make all the people stuck with Android 1.5, 1.6, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3 feel so much better...

Oh wait, no they still got screwed and hate their phones, and are looking for anything but Android... In the USA ask Virgin and Cricket WHY they started offering the iPhone? It was just Apple's timing, it was blow back from horrid Android stories that plague their sales force and their customers hate.

SharpGreen said,

My motorola xoom is already 15months old, and Google has already said it'd receive Jelly Bean. So I believe the Nice try goes to you.. Also it has received every update that's been released since it came out. from 3.0 all the way to 4.0.4 and soon 4.1

You must have a wifi Xoom. My co-worker has had one since day one at Verzion and is still waiting for the update that was released in January for the wifi.

SharpGreen said,

My motorola xoom is already 15months old, and Google has already said it'd receive Jelly Bean. So I believe the Nice try goes to you.. Also it has received every update that's been released since it came out. from 3.0 all the way to 4.0.4 and soon 4.1

And that is one of very few exceptions to the rule. Many, if not most, Android devices are lucky to get updates for 6 months to a year. The Droid X2 was released at the end of May of last year (just over 13 months ago), and it will never see any update beyond 2.3.7 (or maybe 2.3.5 in some locations). There are even devices released even more recently than that which will never see 4.0, let alone 4.1.