Microsoft hiring for secret Windows Phone technology project

Windows Phone 8 just came out in November, but it's not a huge shock to learn that Microsoft is already working on the next major version of its mobile OS. On Wednesday, a job recruiter for the company, Ashley Zenner, posted up a note on her Twitter account.

The Microsoft Careers link that was placed inside Zenner's Twitter post is for a Senior Software Engineer Post, but oddly the job description says nothing about working with the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface mentioned in her post. Here's what it does say: "The role will expose you to multiple subsystems across Windows Phone and requires an ability to ramp to new hardware and software technologies quickly."

So the big question is, "How does this new job involve UEFI?" It's possible that this position at Microsoft could be for improving security for the next version of Windows Phone, or perhaps a way to boost performance or maybe something that is totally new and unexpected. In any case, it's likely that we won't learn about this new mystery tech for months, or even years.

Source: Microsoft Careers via WPCentral.com

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"Your mission, should you choose to accept it...is to design and market a smartphone...that people actually want to buy and use. This listing will self-destruct in 30 seconds."

Not really, you still have Nokia to deliver OS updates and messing up with firmwares and other options. A MS phone, sold directly to customers with no middle OEMs and Carriers to dictate functionalities and updates would be an instant hit. Well maybe not in the US where people are hooked by the carriers racketeering but in the rest of the World.... instant success.

Well if you just take the career link at face value it seems to me that they're going to work on ways to quickly add support for newer hardware to windows phone. That should also have uefi work attached to it as well.

They're gonna make wp9 and not allow wp8 users upgrade, they want to see how many more people they can push from their product

zikalify said,
They're gonna make wp9 and not allow wp8 users upgrade, they want to see how many more people they can push from their product

That stupid joke is not funny anymore and just shows how you clearly understand nothing about Windows Phone 8

zikalify said,
They're gonna make wp9 and not allow wp8 users upgrade, they want to see how many more people they can push from their product

that's ****ing hilarious, man.

zikalify said,
I'm not joking, I'm deadly serious

The reason WP7 User could not switch to WP8 is because WP8 is NT kernel and WP7 was CE kernel so indeed you know nothing about the platform and PmRd is right.

Whether you are joking or not, my experience with WP7 wasn't that great either. But between WP7 and its poor ecosystem, the alleged stability issues of Android (and the fact I won't consider Apple for other reasons), I'm between a rock an a hard place...

S3P€hR said,

The reason WP7 User could not switch to WP8 is because WP8 is NT kernel and WP7 was CE kernel so indeed you know nothing about the platform and PmRd is right.

a kernel is just software, its not hardware. it can be upgraded just fine. zikalify is right, ppl who bought second gen phones should not have been screwed over. that said ms gets one chance to screw users over like this, if they try again...their world will be burned to ashes.

jorel009 said,

a kernel is just software, its not hardware. it can be upgraded just fine. zikalify is right, ppl who bought second gen phones should not have been screwed over. that said ms gets one chance to screw users over like this, if they try again...their world will be burned to ashes.


The NT kernel is more demanding on the architecture then just requiring an amount of hertz or RAM. Compared to NT, CE can almost run on thin air.

So again yes, it shows how little you know about the underlaying architecture.

Not everything running WP7 can run WP8 (some could, some more devices could aswell in theory..)
WP8 devices can all be upgraded to WP9 as the kernels requirements (seeing MS's recent history with the NT kernel and windows') will not go up and they arent replacing the NT kernel with anything else in the forseeable future

Edited by ShadowMajestic, Jan 17 2013, 5:23pm :

jorel009 said,

a kernel is just software, its not hardware. it can be upgraded just fine. zikalify is right, ppl who bought second gen phones should not have been screwed over. that said ms gets one chance to screw users over like this, if they try again...their world will be burned to ashes.

Going by that logic, Microsoft should be able to make Windows 8 support the 386. But it doesn't. And never will.

You're not correct, but you're right. How can you trust a platform that may not be compatible with older devices and apps? Microsoft made really bad mistake when designing WP7. Now they need at least 2 consecutive releases before gain trust.

Did you try it? The same thing was stated about the HTC HD2 and WP7... Guess what? The HD2 could run WP7 without issues.
Being someone who has used Windows powered phones since the Motorola MPX 200, and before that PDAs since the Jornada, I can confirm you that MS history of upgrading devices is basically non existent; it was offered for devices running WM5 to WM 6 and maybe something to WM 2003, not exactly sure though. Furthermore you have the "filter" of the OEM and, in the US, the one of the Carriers.
Just check what is going on with the Nokia and Portico: AT&T and Canadians devices have received the update; others market will have to wait till February and, worst of all, Unbranded Nokia devices like mine will have to wait at least till February as well in spite that there is not even the excuse of "Carriers certification" to justify the delay.
The above said my personal opinion is that MS will offer some upgrade path from WP8 to WP9; it should also strongly pressure OEM and Carriers not to interfere with it.
Time will tell.....

Fritzly said,
Did you try it? The same thing was stated about the HTC HD2 and WP7... Guess what? The HD2 could run WP7 without issues.
Where the hell did you here that bull****? The HD2 has the same exact specs as the HD7 of course it can run WP7 without issues

zikalify said,
They're gonna make wp9 and not allow wp8 users upgrade, they want to see how many more people they can push from their product

too bad more and more people are choosing windows phone. other windows phone sites show the majority of their site users have upgraded to wp8 using site stats.

jorel009 said,

a kernel is just software, its not hardware. it can be upgraded just fine. zikalify is right, ppl who bought second gen phones should not have been screwed over. that said ms gets one chance to screw users over like this, if they try again...their world will be burned to ashes.

It came down to drivers and security. All previous Windows Phones would need their drivers rewritten to work with WP8, which isn't worth it. Moving forward, Windows Phones share the same driver model as full Windows 8. And second, security. Because they added native code apps with WP8, they didn't want to leave WP7 devices more vulnerable.

Shadowzz said,

The NT kernel is more demanding on the architecture then just requiring an amount of hertz or RAM. Compared to NT, CE can almost run on thin air.

So again yes, it shows how little you know about the underlaying architecture.

Not everything running WP7 can run WP8 (some could, some more devices could aswell in theory..)
WP8 devices can all be upgraded to WP9 as the kernels requirements (seeing MS's recent history with the NT kernel and windows') will not go up and they arent replacing the NT kernel with anything else in the forseeable future

Just to clear up all these rants...

NT is a 'bit' more demanding than WinCE - however with current hardware, the difference is negligible or Microsoft would have continued with WinCE to keep a greater performance advantage.

Notice that WP8 devices are fast, still MUCH faster than Android or iOS on comparable hardware - and this is with WP8 having the FULL NT kernel and the FULL NT subsystems and frameworks, even if they are not exposed to developers. (This is not a mobile version of NT, it is the SAME code that we are using on the desktop or on servers.)

The NT build used for RT and WP8 targets the newer generation ARM architecture, this is one reason it was not provided to the previous generation devices.

As one person correctly pointed out, it would be like NT running on an 80386, which is 'possible', but the current builds of NT target the Pentium III instruction set as the baseline when it is compiled for optimal performance on current generation processors. Targeting the newer ARM chipset was worth the break in compatibility.


This topic also includes the dual-core requirement for WP8, as NT would have 'more' of a performance difference on a single core CPU, as NT is a highly thread optimized kernel, where WinCE is not. So on WP8 devices, the WinCE to NT difference is like 1% on older WP7 devices, compiling to the ARM generation and a single core would be about a 5% loss going from WinCE to NT.


As Microsoft has designed WP8, the 98% of the new features that 7.8 did not get are HARDWARE specific. This means that even if Microsoft provided an NT port for the older devices, 98% of the features still would not work or be available as they depend on things like NFC and the newer radio chipsets, etc.

The last one is important as WP7 users didn't get cheated out of anything even with the shift to WP8. Their phones would not have supported new features.