Microsoft: If you have no internet, get an Xbox 360

Microsoft's head of Xbox, Don Mattrick, has come out an suggested that the Xbox 360, Microsoft's seven-year-old game console, is a suitable replacement for the Xbox One when you don't have an internet connection. Specifically, to Spike TV he said:

...fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity, it's called Xbox 360 [...] if you have zero access to the internet, that is an offline device

Mattrick also remarked that making the Xbox One always connected to the internet is a "future-proof choice", and that consumers will understand the link between games and entertainment with the next-generation console. He didn't make any mention of situations where people may not have stable, reliable or easy connections to the internet, such as in rural communities or troops serving in the armed forces overseas.

The comments follow Microsoft's controversial announcement that the Xbox One must connect to the internet once every 24 hours to provide access to games, which has caused many people to dismiss the One as their next-generation console of choice. Sony announced at their E3 2013 conference that the PlayStation 4 would not need to connect to the internet to play disc-based games, which was received with a standing ovation by the audience.

Via: The Verge

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Now if Sony or "someone" comes up with a way to emulate XB1 games on the PS4(and both consoles have reasonably similar hardware), then Xbox HQ will melt into a pile of goo!

This is exactly the same arguement that people had when the original xbox didn't support dial up.

MS made the right choice then, and in a few years time, we will see the same here.

Can someone please enlighten me, if Don M. is saying this, then why the hell did they fire
Adam Orth? Sure it was a comment made prematurely before its due time, but clearly this is no different from what he was referring to.

I find it funny how people are like we live in a internet world whats the problem with the online call home check in. What you all forget to see is there are families that don't allow there kids on the internet or these families get by with little money and can only afford to get there kid a console with no internet. I seen this with many families when there child owns a 360 or ps3 with no internet. You say the experiance is better but thats on a small scale with multiplayer thats pretty much it. I know these kids with consoles with offline play are just fine without the internet. I know if they did have internet yeah that would be a plus. Xbox One will not sell to these type of families. and better yet not to me because I don't care for online play just offline games. My console will be the PS4

Reading some of the comments, one would think we are still in the previous century It is 2013 for crying out loud. Even in third world countries, hooking a device up to the internet once every 24 hours is childs play. When I am with my inlaws at the jiungle in Lao PDR, mobile internet is available and cheap. I cannot remember owning or operating a pc devoid of an internet connection, same applies to phones or tablets, smart tv's. Yet a gaming console requires a quick online check once every 24 hours and this suddenly is a problem ? I wonder why you buy a gaming console without internet connection in the first place, many of the things it does require access to internet anyway. This is a non issue.

People made this same complaint before Diablo 3 came out. All they did was talk about how bad "always online" is and how they only want to play single player offline. Well, after the dust settled and all was said and done, Diablo 3 was the fastest selling PC game of all time. I'm not saying it was a great product, I'm just saying that people were bashing for the same thing prior to it's release, and it still destroyed in sales. My take away from that is, there is a very small vocal minority that this is important to, and the rest just want the damn product.

The usual take it or leave it attitude from Microsoft. Same thing they did with Windows 8 as they proclaim its best for the consumer.

I found amusing that people here take for granted that everyone have 24/7 broadband connectivity, you should get out more people and see the world around you.

Although I think it is a non issue as long as there is choice and the PS4 is the solution to this particular problem.

Cocoliso said,
I found amusing that people here take for granted that everyone have 24/7 broadband connectivity, you should get out more people and see the world around you.

Although I think it is a non issue as long as there is choice and the PS4 is the solution to this particular problem.

Yeah... I'm pretty sure this console is hardly aimed at the whole world. I'm positive it means most of the people that can afford these consoles have broadband connections.

Cocoliso said,
I found amusing that people here take for granted that everyone have 24/7 broadband connectivity, you should get out more people and see the world around you.

Although I think it is a non issue as long as there is choice and the PS4 is the solution to this particular problem.

Nowhere does Microsoft say one needs a broadband connection. You need an internet connection, period. I actually do get about quite often and to a wide range of countries on all continents, some of them dirt poor and some of them quite remote. Even in those countries, getting connected once a day isn't a big deal nor is it expensive.

I live in México, most of the urban cities have broadband internet connection, but rural areas, like the one I live, doesn't. If somebody told me that you need internet to use the console, my reaction is to buy a non restrictive platform like the PS4. It's like the appletv, if you dont have Internet then the device it's heavily limited. I like the way you control the system with your voice, and the kinet camera, but this freaking restriction it's enough to never buy an xbox one.
The good thing about the ps4 is that I have some ps1 & ps3 games that I can play without problems. Also sometimes you just turn on the console to listen to music, pictures or watch some videos on your hard drive, usb or bluray, you don't need internet for that.

Edited by mjedi7, Jun 12 2013, 2:34pm : Iphone keeps trying to finish editing.

mjedi7 said,
I live in México, most of the urban cities have broadband internet connection, but rural areas, like the one I live, doesn't. If somebody told me that you need internet to use the console, my reaction is to buy a non restrictive platform like the PS4. It's like the appletv, if you dont have Internet then the device it's heavily limited. I like the way you control the system with your voice, and the kinet camera, but this freaking restriction it's enough to never buy an xbox one.
The good thing about the ps4 is that I have some ps1 & ps3 games that I can play without problems. Also sometimes you just turn on the console to listen to music, pictures or watch some videos on your hard drive, usb or bluray, you don't need internet for that.

Where do you live?

I actually didn't understand the comment about the PS1 and PS3 games. The PS4 does not have backwards compatibility.

Also, just to clarify, yes you need Internet, but just to check in. Tethering from your iPhone would be enough. But anyway, it seems your better choice would definitely be a PS4, since it's probably also going to be quite cheaper here in Mexico.

Where I live there's is no phone line, so we relay on cell phones to communicate, we are far away for the cell towers so the internet is really, really slow.

Also, sorry about the comment about the PS1 and PS3 games backwards compatibility, I didn't knew that the PS4 wasn't able to play those games.

Still the internet issue is enough for me to choose the PS4 instead of the XBOX1.

I know that when I have my PS3 connected to the internet, it does system and game updates, and more than once it has required me to do an update before I can play my game. I don't know if the Xbox One is going to work differently, but it seems likely to me that updates will work in a similar fashion? And if that's the case, you may not be connecting to the internet every 24 hours just to "check-in" -- you may have to download large updates before you can play your game, and having a slower internet connection suddenly becomes a really big issue. I know quite a few people whose only internet connection is through their phone, and at home they might only get 2g or 3g.

Their product, their design, their rules. If you don't like it, then don't buy one. It is not their responsibility to make a product for your needs. Like all companies, they make a product, and sell it to the people that it suits. Can't suit everyone.

The arrogance really reminds me of Sony when they released the PS3 and we all know how bad their launch was (they did catch up in the end but the beginning was tough)

Microsoft came out with that Jay-Z line: "<< racial epithet >>s want my old ****, buy my old albums." LMFAOOOOO

If you don't have an internet connection, but don't want to settle for old hardware and older games...get a playstation 4.

Just a thought.

So, if I go away for vacation & my power trips out... then what happens, do I get banned from playing games once I return?

I don't think it will ban you, it just needs to make a connection every 24 hours, if you fail to connect after 24 hours, games will stop working until you connect again.

If you go away on vacation and don't connect for 3 months (if it's a long vacation) you shouldn't have an y problems, as long as you make sure you connect before you start playing.

It's a **** system anywa, pre-ordered my PS4 today, seems like it'll be the better console for me this time around.

I loved xbox and hated PlayStations i am not a sony fan, the only consoles i own are my n64, wii, 3ds and snes and commador 64 and megadrive and a few other classics. I was going to buy the new xbox as i did once own the 360 till it broke.

However xbox will die out if they stick with current plans and although i hate to say it sony pwns the living **** outa Microsoft this round of console wars. I can see some very ****ed off investors pulling out of the xbox and going to sony.

I will stick to pc gaming and my classics i think this round.

"If you have no internet, get an Xbox 360"

MS should write that exact phrase on the box of Xbone so people know.

I honestly don't see the problem with it, most of us that own at least 1 Xbox 360, use it to play online… I guess everyone forgets that this is not against the user at all (at least not the legal user) all of this is stop piracy at its core, if you mod a 360 you use it for piracy, (that backup crap is not true and we all know it) so now it just made things even harder for everyone to mod the console and to share the games.
I do know that there are some really extreme cases were internet is not an option, mostly on 3rd world countries or “developing” countries as they call it, however if you live in one and you are a native, if you can afford an Xbox 360 then you should be able to afford a 30buck a month internet connection or less.
As a hacker , I think this will be a good challenge to break the Xbox one free, however since now it just has to report for both connectivity and game play I think we will see a lot of network tricks to simulate the Microsoft server, something like the activation of Windows in VL scenarios.
As a gamer… I really could care less because since 2005 I been playing online with my Xbox, I been part of Xbox live and I been enjoying the benefits of it. So Xbox one for a real gamer and legal gamer just means, better graphics, less cheaters , faster load times for games and matchmaking, no longer have to use my black magic card to record and share my awesome kills and without the massive piracy ,I'm hoping far more games.
And if push comes to shove, a small software update to the core and those restrictions are gone, I mean think about it with the 360s Microsoft used a chip that was unable to be reprogramed, what hackers did… they cloned the PBC and added a chip that can read/write with no issues. With Xbox one, it won't matter if you have a new PBC, unless you can emulate the servers response to the console, there is no way to run pirated games.


Anyway that's just my honest opinion.

Your the second (at least) person iv`e seen posting in these type of topics where things just don`t seem to ring true, and it`s not just on this forum/website!
Maybe the rumour Microsoft has brought in extra people to defend the XBOX one is true, or maybe i`m way of base, if it`s the latter, my apologies...

Riggers said,
Your the second (at least) person iv`e seen posting in these type of topics where things just don`t seem to ring true, and it`s not just on this forum/website!
Maybe the rumour Microsoft has brought in extra people to defend the XBOX one is true, or maybe i`m way of base, if it`s the latter, my apologies...

Seriously? I'll try to remember to get my Microsoft paycheck because I have a different opinion, haha!

Sorry what are you babbling on about? I didn`t state any opinion on the XBOX or the PS4 i just stated that there seems to be a sudden influx of posters who`s sole purpose is to defend a procedure which some people don`t like!
Maybe your one of them

Umm then is not that new… any android, ios, windows device has it… or in case of android can be installed if the OS is too old. Not sure about blackberry or nokia os , but I'm pretty sure that if you share the make and model of your phone someone can help you out.

Your network can restrict/disable wifi hotspot/tethering if it is not a part of your contract. That may be why TheLegendOfMart does not see the option even on a ICS phone. Just because someone has a smartphone with a data plan does not mean that they automatically get tethering/hotspot options. In the UK I believe most cheaper contracts do not allow any kind of tethering and it is a paid extra which most people do not bother with.

Wow. I mean, sure, they´ll still sell it, but do they really have to come forward and SAY this crap ? Lol

I think the whole phone-home-every-24-hours ordeal is a non-issue for the majority of people this console is directed at. BUT, there are still valid scenarios in which people play with no internet connection, and they should do something about it.

I've read about military destined in places where internet access is difficult. That´s one thing. And here in Spain, a lot of (young) people take their consoles with them to their apartments near the beach, or when they go rent a house in the country side for a few days (to hang out with their friends and whatever). People just load 'em consoles in their cars because they know there's gonna be a TV they can hook it up to. But there's no internet. People don't get internet in a rented appartment or house, people don't get internet in houses in the middle or nowhere, and people don't get internet in their second apartments that they occupy a few weeks a year. But they bring their consoles. And good luck trying to tether your phone's data connection when you're in the country side in the middle of nowhere.

Either Microsoft suck at gathering statistics, or they don't know how to act on the results they get. It was, after all, some silly data collected from windows 7 that drove them to remove the start button and bury Windows 8 in a PR nightmare.

Julius Caro said,
Wow. I mean, sure, they´ll still sell it, but do they really have to come forward and SAY this crap ? Lol

I think the whole phone-home-every-24-hours ordeal is a non-issue for the majority of people this console is directed at. BUT, there are still valid scenarios in which people play with no internet connection, and they should do something about it.

I've read about military destined in places where internet access is difficult. That´s one thing. And here in Spain, a lot of (young) people take their consoles with them to their apartments near the beach, or when they go rent a house in the country side for a few days (to hang out with their friends and whatever). People just load 'em consoles in their cars because they know there's gonna be a TV they can hook it up to. But there's no internet. People don't get internet in a rented appartment or house, people don't get internet in houses in the middle or nowhere, and people don't get internet in their second apartments that they occupy a few weeks a year. But they bring their consoles. And good luck trying to tether your phone's data connection when you're in the country side in the middle of nowhere.

Either Microsoft suck at gathering statistics, or they don't know how to act on the results they get. It was, after all, some silly data collected from windows 7 that drove them to remove the start button and bury Windows 8 in a PR nightmare.

Hey, just a thing that makes me kind of sad, is the fact that there is people like you describe that instead of enjoying a day, a week or a month in the beach, wild, nature, planet earth would pack an xbox 360, I mean if the point of a vacation is to “get a way” then why take something you probably use every day anyways, is not like a phone that can be used to call for help or now to take pictures, is a gamming console…
I have to be honest when I went on vacations and parents decided to hit the road, I did pack my alienware, my phone and my 360.
Since my alien has HDMI in I use it , to play on the 360 and the 360 charged my phone and my phone provided 3G for me to play online while I was in the car… however once we reached the hotel, the only thing I had with me was my phone, the laptop and 360 staid in the safe box until we left.
Because I was outside… meting people, making enemies & pals, kissing girls , eating food and trying to surf… (snowboarding is so much easier) so yeah… I guess im not what many would consider a nerd but I think is just common sense… (if you go out , then go out for crying out loud)
For the nerds out there:
Alienware m17x R2 at the time (now upgraded to R4)
Xbox 360 Elite MW2 edition (now upgraded to the S version)
Nokia Lumia 900 (Now upgraded to the 920 *tnx Nokia*)

Oh man... I don't actually like any kind of corporation, they are all evil in some ways... but MS, MS is showing that they have no spare in arrogance, that's it, I was actually waiting to decide but I think I will preorder PS4 for me.

It isn't really much about the fact that you have to be connected at least once every 24h, because that should be very possible for everyone who purchases a next-gen console nowadays.

I do understand that it could bring inconveniences for people in less developed countries where internet is not a given or for people who are moving and doesn't have internet for a couple of days in their new places. But that shouldn't be a factor for not purchasing a Xbox One. Yes, there will be people for whom that will be a factor. But I think the target market is going to be bigger than this will even matter, looking at pre-order numbers and comments on tech-sites.

What is really the matter here is the way responses like the one above is coming off at people. It's the attitude thing people don't like. But if you look pass all this and only at what matters, namely the console itself and its features, games and your usage of such device without all the media around it, you can decide it for yourself unprejudicely.

My 2 cents.

JayPi said,
It isn't really much about the fact that you have to be connected at least once every 24h, because that should be very possible for everyone who purchases a next-gen console nowadays.

I do understand that it could bring inconveniences for people in less developed countries where internet is not a given or for people who are moving and doesn't have internet for a couple of days in their new places. But that shouldn't be a factor for not purchasing a Xbox One. Yes, there will be people for whom that will be a factor. But I think the target market is going to be bigger than this will even matter, looking at pre-order numbers and comments on tech-sites.

What is really the matter here is the way responses like the one above is coming off at people. It's the attitude thing people don't like. But if you look pass all this and only at what matters, namely the console itself and its features, games and your usage of such device without all the media around it, you can decide it for yourself unprejudicely.

My 2 cents.


Pretty sure those people in less developed countries aren't their target audience.

It's like Microsoft wants to become Apple, telling us we're the ones that are wrong.

Haven't seen smug like this since Jobs.

dead.cell said,
It's like Microsoft wants to become Apple, telling us we're the ones that are wrong.

Haven't seen smug like this since Jobs.


Ummm, this is the exact same thing Sony did with the PS3. When the price was first announced and people complained at how high it was, Sony said something to the effect of, "Yes, it's expensive, but it's the PS3 and everyone should want to buy the PS3. If you have to go out and get a second job, do it, because this is the PS3!" It's not like Microsoft has the market cornered on arrogance.

better yet, get a Super Nintendo because [...]

It's crystal clear they bet and target the average joe mass with their monstrosity.

In Europe and Asia PS was always first, now in larger scale and certainly even in US. US residents can't be that dumb as the rumor has it.

They're offering a substitute and are even updating their substitute with a new Xbox 360, I don't understand the problem people have with once every 24 hours internet.

SPARTdAN said,
They're offering a substitute and are even updating their substitute with a new Xbox 360, I don't understand the problem people have with once every 24 hours internet.

I dont know about the rest but my problem has always been with restrictions. This is probably why i dont like the iPhone very much.

I know that today in 2013 people are connected to the internet all the time but what if i dont want to connect my xbox to the net. What if i just want to play single played and dont do anything else with it? Why should i be restricted in such way?

SPARTdAN said,
They're offering a substitute and are even updating their substitute with a new Xbox 360, I don't understand the problem people have with once every 24 hours internet.

The problem is, in our house, we have an xbox in the back bedroom of the extension. It is not wired to the internet and cannot pick up Wi-Fi. The xbox is used everyday to play offline games.

Every now and then, he will take the machine downstairs and wire it in to the living room telly, so he can get any updates and occasionally buy an expansion pack.

So if he gets a new XboxOne, he has to now do this everyday. Which is a ball ache and inconvenient.

Or we have to hardwire his room or get a Wi-Fi extender. Or buy a PS4 instead, or just not upgrade to the new box?

PS. He doesn't have a mobile phone with net access either, so he can't even tether.

PS. My Xbox is hard wired so it would not be an issue for me. Just giving an example of someone for whom this is inconvenient.

Chris Rollason said,

The problem is, in our house, we have an xbox in the back bedroom of the extension. It is not wired to the internet and cannot pick up Wi-Fi. The xbox is used everyday to play offline games.

Every now and then, he will take the machine downstairs and wire it in to the living room telly, so he can get any updates and occasionally buy an expansion pack.

So if he gets a new XboxOne, he has to now do this everyday. Which is a ball ache and inconvenient.

Or we have to hardwire his room or get a Wi-Fi extender. Or buy a PS4 instead, or just not upgrade to the new box?

PS. He doesn't have a mobile phone with net access either, so he can't even tether.

PS. My Xbox is hard wired so it would not be an issue for me. Just giving an example of someone for whom this is inconvenient.

I'd be curious to see if any kind of Wi-Fi device (PC, someone else's phone, tablet, etc.) is within range of that room then. If so, and it supports Wi-Fi Direct, he'd able to piggy back on that device to check in.

V-Tech said,

I dont know about the rest but my problem has always been with restrictions. This is probably why i dont like the iPhone very much.

I know that today in 2013 people are connected to the internet all the time but what if i dont want to connect my xbox to the net. What if i just want to play single played and dont do anything else with it? Why should i be restricted in such way?

So when you play singleplayer you just unplug your Internet? If so, why? Serious questions.

Rodrigo said,

So when you play singleplayer you just unplug your Internet? If so, why? Serious questions.

I assume his console is probably not connected to begin with. My PS3 isn't connected to the net most of the time. I connect it when I need to.

I thought Xbox One needed just a brief connection every 24hrs to "check-in". Even in rural communities, you can tether your phone for a brief minute and for troops? If terrorists can publish online magazines from the remote afghan mountains of butt-**** nowhere, troops can get at least some form of connection. I am not defending Microsoft, but in the last 7 years, no matter where I went, even into the Northern Canadian wilderness I still had 3G or Edge at the very least.

Titoist said,
I thought Xbox One needed just a brief connection every 24hrs to "check-in". Even in rural communities, you can tether your phone for a brief minute and for troops? If terrorists can publish online magazines from the remote afghan mountains of butt-**** nowhere, troops can get at least some form of connection. I am not defending Microsoft, but in the last 7 years, no matter where I went, even into the Northern Canadian wilderness I still had 3G or Edge at the very least.

That's what it is, it's a small check-in to see if you're up to date and need updates and what games you still have installed/uninstalled/sold/rented. I bet it's over with in a few seconds tops.

You dont get the point of this problem. It is my decision when to connect with the internet if I want to use the internet. That is the little freedom a human being still has. MS is trying to take away this starting with the "single check in" - that is just the beginning. Just image how would you for example use this console in areas without internet connection, a ship, frontlines, a hotel or after moving into a new apartment - dont come with tethering - WP devices exist that still cant do it and you cant expect EVERYONE to have a smartphone, right? And one question still remains. - how does it support the customer?

I honestly don't understand that logic. I understand that its your preference but is it really that big a deal? On my end, my PC is running and connected to the net, even when I'm asleep and its in sleep mode when im out. My two TiVos are connected 24/7. My Windows Pone is also connected 24/7 and theres no way to disconnect it without turning it off which means it cannot be used. So I'm guessing there must be more to this then you're saying.

NPGMBR said,
I honestly don't understand that logic. I understand that its your preference but is it really that big a deal? On my end, my PC is running and connected to the net, even when I'm asleep and its in sleep mode when im out. My two TiVos are connected 24/7. My Windows Pone is also connected 24/7 and theres no way to disconnect it without turning it off which means it cannot be used. So I'm guessing there must be more to this then you're saying.

people in general simply don't 'connect when they want to', that pretty much ended with dialup, its mainly people inventing a problem based on feeling of choice being removed. The device (xone and ps4) are simply better when connected, they are designed for online services and if your going to stick to a notion of 'connect when i want ' your experience will be limited on both devices. The difference is xone needs to send a tiny amount of data every 24 hours, even with a chippy or slow connection this isn't really an issue unless you want to buy into the hyperbole of nonesense spreading round the net - Christ look at the amount of time the complainers are spending Connected to simply complain about having to be connected, its mad!

Titoist said,
I thought Xbox One needed just a brief connection every 24hrs to "check-in". Even in rural communities, you can tether your phone for a brief minute and for troops?

Do you really think militaries are going to allow troops to connect to the internet on a nuclear submarine so they can play xbox? Risk having a multi billion dollar submarine sunk and possibly nuclear missiles stolen so they can play halo? Yeah right!

torrentthief said,

Do you really think militaries are going to allow troops to connect to the internet on a nuclear submarine so they can play xbox? Risk having a multi billion dollar submarine sunk and possibly nuclear missiles stolen so they can play halo? Yeah right!

Someones been watching too many Hollywood action flicks.

NPGMBR said,
I honestly don't understand that logic. I understand that its your preference but is it really that big a deal? On my end, my PC is running and connected to the net, even when I'm asleep and its in sleep mode when im out. My two TiVos are connected 24/7. My Windows Pone is also connected 24/7 and theres no way to disconnect it without turning it off which means it cannot be used. So I'm guessing there must be more to this then you're saying.

I don't understand the logic of people defending this. How does it benefit you? It doesn't. It is something that brings entirely no benefit to you, but has the potential to be a problem. Why support it?

Microsoft isn't your best friend, you don't need to protect their interests, they do a fine job of that themselves.

torrentthief said,

Do you really think militaries are going to allow troops to connect to the internet on a nuclear submarine so they can play xbox? Risk having a multi billion dollar submarine sunk and possibly nuclear missiles stolen so they can play halo? Yeah right!

I totally agree with you, nuclear submarine troops should be the main concern of MS in regards of a gaming console.

/s

IgorP said,

I don't understand the logic of people defending this. How does it benefit you? It doesn't. It is something that brings entirely no benefit to you, but has the potential to be a problem. Why support it?

Microsoft isn't your best friend, you don't need to protect their interests, they do a fine job of that themselves.

It's a safety belt for game publishers. If there are no game publishers, there are no games either, and then you can let your device rot in the corner. Are you saying more games is not a benefit?

bviktor said,

It's a safety belt for game publishers. If there are no game publishers, there are no games either, and then you can let your device rot in the corner. Are you saying more games is not a benefit?

Publishers do ok without your help. If I follow your logic we should all urge publishers to charge $500 per game because more money equals more games which is good right?

Doesn't matter that no one can afford to play them.

Obviously I'm exaggerating to make a point but collectively these all-digital "rental" policies will decimate competition and increase the cost of playing games. What good are more games if I can't afford to play them?

Also the premise of your comment is entirely flawed. How is forcing us to connect to the internet every 24 hours "a safety net for publishers"? And how and why exactly would not having this requirement lead to their demise, or conversely how does having this lead to more games?

IgorP said,

Publishers do ok without your help. If I follow your logic we should all urge publishers to charge $500 per game because more money equals more games which is good right?

Doesn't matter that no one can afford to play them.

Obviously I'm exaggerating to make a point but collectively these all-digital "rental" policies will decimate competition and increase the cost of playing games. What good are more games if I can't afford to play them?

Also the premise of your comment is entirely flawed. How is forcing us to connect to the internet every 24 hours "a safety net for publishers"? And how and why exactly would not having this requirement lead to their demise, or conversely how does having this lead to more games?

No, they don't do ok.

Yes, you're overly exaggerating and it doesn't make any point. Adding DRM doesn't increase the price, it has nothing to do with the price. It's about copyright protection to prevent stealing, not about price. Also, why are we talking about price in the first place, there's not a single Xbox One game published yet. And you're making a point, huh?

Just look at not-brand-new Xbox 360 titles, they cost some 5 bucks, is it really not affordable for you? Then a gaming console's prolly not for you either, and you're not a paying customer, so why should the company care about you, seriously?

And are you really asking me how is DRM supposed to increase sales and the lack of copyright enforcement decrease them? How about educate yourself first? Dumbest question ever.

Actually for me it does. Currently when I turn on my X360, I have to login. I'd prefer not to have to do that. I have a gold subscription and the experience would be easier for me if it were more like my TiVos and I didn't have to log in every time I turned the thing on. Matter-of-fact I'd like it even more if the thing be on consistenly and in sleep mode when Im not using it but easily awakes and ready to use when I touch the remote. Thats how it benefits me.

bviktor said,

No, they don't do ok.

Haha, yes the publishers don't do ok without you. You're right, you're their white knight.

bviktor said,

Yes, you're overly exaggerating and it doesn't make any point. Adding DRM doesn't increase the price, it has nothing to do with the price. It's about copyright protection to prevent stealing, not about price. Also, why are we talking about price in the first place, there's not a single Xbox One game published yet. And you're making a point, huh?

The fact that you choose to skip over a point which I clearly outlined doesn't mean I didn't make one. Here I'll quote it again for you.

...collectively these all-digital "rental" policies will decimate competition and increase the cost of playing games.

This is why I'm talking about price. This type of DRM, as with all monopolies, will increase game prices.


bviktor said,

Just look at not-brand-new Xbox 360 titles, they cost some 5 bucks, is it really not affordable for you? Then a gaming console's prolly not for you either, and you're not a paying customer, so why should the company care about you, seriously?

This makes no sense. You're telling me how cheap games are on a console that DOESN'T have this type of DRM.


bviktor said,

And are you really asking me how is DRM supposed to increase sales and the lack of copyright enforcement decrease them? How about educate yourself first? Dumbest question ever.

No I'm not asking that. I explicitly asked you how the requirement to connect to the internet every 24 hours, which is the subject of this article, is supposed to increase sales. There are other options for DRM.

NPGMBR said,
Actually for me it does. Currently when I turn on my X360, I have to login. I'd prefer not to have to do that. I have a gold subscription and the experience would be easier for me if it were more like my TiVos and I didn't have to log in every time I turned the thing on. Matter-of-fact I'd like it even more if the thing be on consistenly and in sleep mode when Im not using it but easily awakes and ready to use when I touch the remote. Thats how it benefits me.

Why can't it do this without REQUIRING you to connect to the internet? Maybe I'm missing something.

IgorP said,

Why can't it do this without REQUIRING you to connect to the internet? Maybe I'm missing something.

He doesn't want it to sign in, he wants it to be signed in forever, not every time he turns on his console (since the console will be always connected). How would that be doable without REQUIRING Internet?

Rodrigo said,

He doesn't want it to sign in, he wants it to be signed in forever, not every time he turns on his console (since the console will be always connected). How would that be doable without REQUIRING Internet?

Sorry I didn't mean that the feature wouldn't require internet I meant that you can have this feature without requiring everyone to be connected all the time.

That is, his console could always be connected, but if I don't have or want to be on the internet I can play offline.

IgorP said,

Sorry I didn't mean that the feature wouldn't require internet I meant that you can have this feature without requiring everyone to be connected all the time.

That is, his console could always be connected, but if I don't have or want to be on the internet I can play offline.

Well, yeah. I mean... I honestly can see the hasle and the complaints everyone is having. But honestly, it's just about complaining of not having the choice. It's ok, if you think this way then obviously the Xbox One it's not the choice for you. Almost EVERYONE is connected nowadays (at least people that can afford these consoles), so it shouldn't really be that big of an issue. At least on MY part, I love gaming, but I don't have an extense gaming library collection. I just buy the games I like and spend most of the time playing multiplayer, because that's what I like. I like Microsoft's games, and my friends will be buying an Xbox One, so it's clear for me which console I'll be buying.

What I don't get, it's the necessity of some people (not refering to you) to REALLY defend their console of choice, it's like... YOU MUST buy something else, and if you somehow have something positive to say about the console YOU PREFER, you automatically become dumb.

Rodrigo said,

Well, yeah. I mean... I honestly can see the hasle and the complaints everyone is having. But honestly, it's just about complaining of not having the choice. It's ok, if you think this way then obviously the Xbox One it's not the choice for you. Almost EVERYONE is connected nowadays (at least people that can afford these consoles), so it shouldn't really be that big of an issue. At least on MY part, I love gaming, but I don't have an extense gaming library collection. I just buy the games I like and spend most of the time playing multiplayer, because that's what I like. I like Microsoft's games, and my friends will be buying an Xbox One, so it's clear for me which console I'll be buying.

What I don't get, it's the necessity of some people (not refering to you) to REALLY defend their console of choice, it's like... YOU MUST buy something else, and if you somehow have something positive to say about the console YOU PREFER, you automatically become dumb.

I think it's about a bit more than complaining about not having a choice. Sure most people are connected most of the time already, but stuff happens, the internet can be unavailable, inconvenient, etc. I know people always respond to that by saying "yeah but the power can go out too", but if the power goes out I know that my console physically can't function without power, if I can't use it when the internet is down, then it's just frustrating because the restriction is arbitrary.

I agree with the rest of what you're saying though, people will, and should, just buy the console/system that suits their lifestyle and their needs.

I also have no allegiance to any console in particular. I'm primarily a PC gamer but I do have a PS3. I'm not sure I'll buy either next gen console at this stage.

-adrian- said,
You dont get the point of this problem. It is my decision when to connect with the internet if I want to use the internet. That is the little freedom a human being still has. MS is trying to take away this starting with the "single check in" - that is just the beginning. Just image how would you for example use this console in areas without internet connection, a ship, frontlines, a hotel or after moving into a new apartment - dont come with tethering - WP devices exist that still cant do it and you cant expect EVERYONE to have a smartphone, right? And one question still remains. - how does it support the customer?

If MS is forcing you to buy an Xbox one at gunpoint, then they would take away your "freedom". By the way hotels without (free) wifi do these actually exists ? The last thing I would bring to a hotel would be a gaming console by the way.

IgorP said,

Sorry I didn't mean that the feature wouldn't require internet I meant that you can have this feature without requiring everyone to be connected all the time.

That is, his console could always be connected, but if I don't have or want to be on the internet I can play offline.

While it'd be nice if they redid/extended the 24hr check in time for offline play I can understand the reasoning behind it, it's security. Like I said in a post above, you have to look at the services/features it's offering as a whole, not just the parts you don't like. The check-in is needed for security, the discs are just installation media, nothing more. They hold the bits but you play all the games from the HDD. After that you don't need the disc at all, this lets you switch between any game installed on your system quickly, this also lets you share your library with friends even far away without exchanging discs. All the sharing that you can do with your games library, the sharing of Gold with your family members, being able to access your games from any Xbox One just by logging into your account without any discs means that we have to put up with a 24hr security check. It's security to stop piracy. You can look at it as it's taking away your freedom, but in reality it's a tradeoff. Do you want the sharing and roaming games features? Then you need to let them check your account to make sure things aren't being pirated etc. If you don't want those features then you don't get the Xbox One. You get the PS4 or you play on the PC. That's just how it goes, every platform, PC, console, mobile phone, has some sort of control/security tradeoff you have to live with if you want to use it.

This isn't new and while right now it seems harsh, I don't think anyone can deny that at some point we're going to go digital for games. Steam on the PC set the precedent already, pure digital gaming with no discs and the restrictions that come with it. Now that digital idea has spread to everything, and it's taking over, games, movies, books, mags, music, newspapers, overall consumers have spoken and they like it. More and more people get "locked-in" to some system because they can get content they like/want easily, online, remotely, anywhere as long as they login with their account.

It's where the future is going guys, MS might have jumped in a bit soon with the Xbox One but what about 4-5 years from now? I don't know if people will think of it the same way.

This was the exact arrogance displayed when Windows 8 was released and they are doing it again. Wow! They could have downplayed it for a while pretending nothing happened. Even that would have reduced some negative press.

What a dumb thing to say. I never liked Xbox and this just makes me dislike it even more.
I hope that this will hit them hard.

Chris Rollason said,
I love the smell of arrogance in the morning!

lol, it's like just when you think they can't do or say anything worse, it just keeps getting better and better. They're really swinging for the fence here :-)

To be fair though, who in 2013 has no internet access at all? A very small number I'd wager. They've already said that a wifi hotspot from a mobile Phone is sufficient to satisfy the online requirement if you're away from a land broadband connection for more than 24 hours.

Of those few that have no connection at all, how many would really care about a brand new premium console device anyway?

TCLN Ryster said,
To be fair though, who in 2013 has no internet access at all? A very small number I'd wager. They've already said that a wifi hotspot from a mobile Phone is sufficient to satisfy the online requirement if you're away from a land broadband connection for more than 24 hours.

Of those few that have no connection at all, how many would really care about a brand new premium console device anyway?

A small number, maybe... it's not really the point though. There is plenty of situations i wont list where people can be without internet access who will now be swayed over to the PS4 simply because they don't need to worry about it ever occurring..It's their response thats shocking 'buy an xbox 360' .. do they even want people to buy their new console? It's very much "This is now it is now, like it or lump it" .. well actually, that's not how it is because there are other options available.. and wait for... ITS CHEAPER!!!

Uplift said,

A small number, maybe... it's not really the point though. There is plenty of situations i wont list where people can be without internet access who will now be swayed over to the PS4 simply because they don't need to worry about it ever occurring..It's their response thats shocking 'buy an xbox 360' .. do they even want people to buy their new console? It's very much "This is now it is now, like it or lump it" .. well actually, that's not how it is because there are other options available.. and wait for... ITS CHEAPER!!!


there is no doubt that sony took advantage of this to sell their ps4. sneaky sony, but the question is what if all ps4 games force strict drm protection acts? what if games be cheaper on xone because it has strict protection so their profit allows them to set the price lower? plus xbox has more value. they haven't revealed illumiroom yet.