Microsoft looking to launch new 10.6-inch Surface

Later this year - in October, to be specific - Microsoft is said to be launching a new tablet that will be thinner and lighter than the current 10.6in devices. The device is expected to be the next generation of the RT lineup that was not refreshed when the Pro 3 was launched.

The report comes from Digitimes - admittedly, not the most reliable of sources - but we also started hearing about this device from our own sources back around the launch window of the Pro 3, but held off saying anything after Nadella and crew axed the mini.

The updates to the device should not be all that surprising - it will be slimmer and weigh less than the Surface 2, as well as featuring the new kickstand, and we are hearing that the new Surface Pen will be supported as well.

When Microsoft releases the updated device in October, it will be the third straight year that they released a tablet in that month with the Surface RT and the Surface 2 also being released in that same time window. October makes a lot of sense for the release as it gives the company enough time to raise consumer awareness about the device ahead of the holiday shopping season and enough time to ramp up manufacturing too.

Under the new leadership, these devices could be axed at any time if the company does not feel that they create a unique value proposition but considering that Microsoft's cheapest Pro 3 will start at $799 this holiday season, without a cheaper option, they will need to release something to fill the low-end gap. Microsoft's current 10.6in device, the Surface 2, will by then have outdated specs compared with newer devices, and unless Microsoft is willing to cut the price, they will need to introduce something new to satisfy consumer expectations.

As always, nothing is official until Microsoft announces the device but we should know more later this year.

Via: Digitimes

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Woo! Can't wait! Screw these other commenters!

Just like Surface RT, if the Surface 3 has pen support, it will be a day 1 buy for me!

All this focusing on hardware by MS is fine and dandy, as far as it goes. But, and this is a big "but," when MS ignores the needs of all other users with their Windows-8 Operating System, that is a huge strategic mistakes. Will MS fix the "mess" in Windows-9? We'll just have to wait and see. (Failure fix the "mess" just means that Windows-7 will remain dominant, or at least a major player, until 2020 or Windows-10.)

Grandly-toned, sweeping and unspecific. And wrong*. Good to have you back chap!

I love, "love" the self quoting! :)

* This post created on a Windows 8.1 desktop, no touch-screen, faster and more featured than Win7.

Cant wait! I love my original RT and held off on getting a Surface 2 because my RT still does what I need. Faster, thinner, AND a PEN for $400 or less and this is an instant buy for me.

I see people arguing over the usefulness of a Windows RT device again. This happens way too much. iPads have their place, they are not bad devices at all, but the Surface 2 also has its place and can represent a better value than an iPad if the customer sees the value in its more unique features.

I actually own a Surface 2 and I have to say that its been a great device. I use it everyday. Its a great companion device, like the ipad or android tablet.

The app store may be more limited currently vs say the ipad, but it still offers a wide range of apps, including quality apps that I have started using regularly. Universal apps have already had a big impact on the Windows 8 Store and hopefully that trend continues. The real advantage that a Surface 2 has over an ipad comes down to a couple factors: USB port, MicroSD card slot, kick stand, and office included.

So for anyone that might be looking at a Surface 2 vs an iPad, they simply need to find out if those features matter to them and if the apps they want to use are available on either platform (many people do not use many apps, so having a large marketplace does not carry as much weight). Being able to expand your storage whenever you like with a microSD card may sound small to people here, but many people really like that. Likewise, that usb port can be very useful for people that need access to a flash drive, camera, etc. Including Office for free is a big deal as well for anyone that would like/need that for work, school, etc. The kickstand may be just a cosmetic feature, but it adds to the versatility of the device without requiring you to buy a cover to get that.

The keyboard covers are not a feature of the device itself, but I thought I would throw that in as a nice perk for any Surface device. It again adds versatility to the device, but at an extra cost. That cover is a big deal in my opinion. Not needed by everyone, but for those that do, its a great deal.

So yeah, I think a Surface 3 that refines those features, offers more powerful hardware and proper support for the new pen could be popular. It would represent a very nice upgrade. The note taking aspects of the device would be a very tempting feature for many people, especially students. That pen in combination with OneNote offers a compelling feature.

Agreed. However, part of me wants MS to release an Atom based Surface (non pro) just so these whiners will shut up already. But hey, then I expect Apple to do the same and release an Atom iPad. Equally stupid idea.

I wish the complainers stopped referring to the Surface as a laptop. It's not. It's a tablet like the iPad that can somewhat behave like a laptop, but it's not one, so nobody should expect full apps to run in it other than Office. This, admittedly, is MS own fault for including a very visible desktop: they should have had a modern app for a file picker and run desktop office without showing any desktop bits, just with a fullscreen window that shows no taskbar. They didn't, people got confused, and they harmed the Surface brand.

Unnecessary damage indeed...

Xabier Granja said,

I wish the complainers stopped referring to the Surface as a laptop. It's not. It's a tablet like the iPad that can somewhat behave like a laptop, but it's not one, so nobody should expect full apps to run in it other than Office. This, admittedly, is MS own fault for including a very visible desktop: they should have had a modern app for a file picker and run desktop office without showing any desktop bits, just with a fullscreen window that shows no taskbar. They didn't, people got confused, and they harmed the Surface brand.

Unnecessary damage indeed...

Unnecessary damage, sure, but I really do not think they had any other choice. A touch version of Office was not ready, nor was there any comperable file picker/explorer experience for Windows RT.


Plus, I don't think the damage is permanent or unrecoverable. When consumers are properly told what the difference is, then they tend to pick up on it quickly and accept that. Removing the desktop on those devices will be a good step though. It seems like MS is going to do just that as soon as a viable version of Office is finished. That should be accompanied by a proper file picker/explorer replacement.

With pen and office it could be interesting. But it needs the lower price. It's too close to laptop price with it's current range.

Ugg WHY?

I wanted a Surface Mini, instead I bought an Acer W4 but would trade that in for a Surface mini.
WTF is the deal with MS and the Surface Mini? A 10inch RT tablet is already out why not try another form factor? The Surface line could really use a 7-8 inch option.

Exciting if true. If it is thinner and lighter, it makes you wonder how/if they are able to incorporate the same kickstand found in Surface Pro 3. Either way works for me. I doubt it will include the 3:2 aspect ratio found on Surface Pro 3 but it would be terrific if it did.

Take the Surface 2 ... add the Surface Pro 3's kick-stand, pen, and power port... perhaps even the screen aspect ratio. Make it thinner, lighter, and make the battery last longer. And you have a winner for a Surface 3, imho.

All that is missing in a Surface Mini at that point.

Lord Method Man said,
No thanks, very disappointed in the performance of my Surface 2. Not gonna get bit my this snake again.

I read Tegra and avoid. Fool me once.

Really? How so? I thought the Surface 2 was a great machine. What was disappointing? Or probably a better question... what were your expectations?

Lord Method Man said,
The fact that every day when I pick it up to use it its locked up and needs to be hard-reset to function.

So... not a performance issue then? It seems your device has a major issue. Maybe you should send it in for warranty repair.

From what I've seen, surface 2s are quite fast.

Lord Method Man said,
The fact that every day when I pick it up to use it its locked up and needs to be hard-reset to function.


that sucks, I wonder what went wrong. I have yet to experience that with mine. Maybe a defective piece of hardware is to blame?

Lord Method Man said,
The fact that every day when I pick it up to use it its locked up and needs to be hard-reset to function.

Take it back and get it replaced then. Because that has NEVER ONCE happened to me, and I got mine on the first day of release. Never a lock-up. It's always just there, available, working great.

I assume you've applied all updates and such.

But dont' blame the "Surface 2" ... it's a great devices that works really well. Your case sounds like you just have some bad hardware and it should be something they'll fix under warrantee.

Lord Method Man said,
I sent it back for a replacement. I got back a new Surface 2 that was also a piece of crap.

Was it brand new or refurbished?

Either way, that sucks and you definitely shouldn't settle for that. That is not how the device is suppose to work and they need to keep replacing it until you get one that works properly.

Again, really vague non-answers. The Surface 2 is not a piece of crap by any measure. It's rock-solid premium hardware, it's fast, and very functional. It's ONLY weakness is the weakness of the Windows Modern App Store selection.

I think you're just bitching to bitch, to be honest. Almost nobody shares your experience.

trooper11 said,

Was it brand new or refurbished?

Either way, that sucks and you definitely shouldn't settle for that. That is not how the device is suppose to work and they need to keep replacing it until you get one that works properly.

Brown box replacement, don't know if its refurb or new.

Truth be told my Lumia 1520 has supplanted my Surface 2 so I don't really care enough anymore to bother going through another RMA.

Lord Method Man said,

Brown box replacement, don't know if its refurb or new.

Truth be told my Lumia 1520 has supplanted my Surface 2 so I don't really care enough anymore to bother going through another RMA.

Brown box? Hmm, that sounds like a refurb to me, but I'm not sure. I can understand not wanting to deal with an RMA again, that process is never fun.

If you were near a MS Store, I would suggest taking it there. I have found they give you the best service and, unlike going through a shipping process, you get a brand new device off the shelf there and they set it up to make sure its working properly before you leave.

I like the 1520, but I cant imagine how it would replace a Surface 2. Office is terrible, RDP would still be a pain on that size screen and resolution. Pretty much everything I use my Surface for would suffer or be impossible. Glad it works for you since one device would be handy, but I cant imagine many people being able to do that.

trooper11 said,

Brown box? Hmm, that sounds like a refurb to me, but I'm not sure. I can understand not wanting to deal with an RMA again, that process is never fun.

If you were near a MS Store, I would suggest taking it there. I have found they give you the best service and, unlike going through a shipping process, you get a brand new device off the shelf there and they set it up to make sure its working properly before you leave.

I'm not near a dedicated MS Store, do the Best Buy store-within-a-stores have the same services?

Lord Method Man said,
The fact that every day when I pick it up to use it its locked up and needs to be hard-reset to function.

Had the same experience with my Surface 2, would need hard-reset too many times. And I did not had any performance issue with the Tegra, but the lack of many apps for RT was a pain. Got back to Android and I am much happier.

Lord Method Man said,

I'm not near a dedicated MS Store, do the Best Buy store-within-a-stores have the same services?

Hmm, I'm not sure about that. Those are not 'run by MS' so I have my doubts they share any of the policies of the MS Stores. The last time I was in a Best Buy, it looked like those sections are just a section of Best Buy dedicated to MS products, not something on its own.

Even if you don't have a full line MS Store, maybe a smaller MS kiosk is nearby or opening soon. Whatever size the store is, they have the same policy. They will go out of their way to make sure you leave with what you were after in my experience. especially when you had problems getting satisfaction from a third party or MS itself.

TruckWEB said,

Had the same experience with my Surface 2, would need hard-reset too many times. And I did not had any performance issue with the Tegra, but the lack of many apps for RT was a pain. Got back to Android and I am much happier.

I wonder what happened to the devices that ran into this issue. To lock up and require a complete reset every time you tried to use the device is a serious failure. It almost sounds like a bad batch of devices got out into the wild, which creates a terrible situation.

If the Windows Phone and RT OS'es are merged, would the surface RT tablets be "upgradable" to that new merged OS?

Zlain said,
If the Windows Phone and RT OS'es are merged, would the surface RT tablets be "upgradable" to that new merged OS?

Yeah, that needs clarified because next year Windows RT could be dead when Windows 9 rolls out and maybe even not supported for upgrades either spec wise or because they don't care. I would stay well clear, They don't mind hanging people out to dry, hello Lumia 910.

coresx said,

Yeah, that needs clarified because next year Windows RT could be dead when Windows 9 rolls out and maybe even not supported for upgrades either spec wise or because they don't care. I would stay well clear, They don't mind hanging people out to dry, hello Lumia 910.

Microsoft supports Surface tablets for 5 years. In any case, you still get security updates for 5years.

as for the WP7 to WP8 transition, it was a different problem: WP7 was based on Windows CE, and the transition to Windows NT (WP8) would have required OEMs to rewrite their system utilities and some drivers, and mobile operators would have had to certify the devices again.

contrary to wp7, there is technically nothing preventing MS to release a Windows 9 upgrade for Surface RT 1 & 2.

"contrary to wp7, there is technically nothing preventing MS to release a Windows 9 upgrade for Surface RT 1 & 2."

Yes, thats the point! Technically nothing prevents it, but MS is hell very creative when they need to draw some good excuse out from their magic hat. I have 0 trust in their intentions. They will screw their loyal advocates in the first line, who bought the overpriced 1st gen Surface RT back in 2012.

About time the rumor season started for S3! I get that for many people the second they hear RT or ARM BASED they look the other way, but there's millions of academic professionals like myself who need only Word, Excel, Powerpoint and a good email client to do %99 of our jobs (I teach at a state university). My Surface RT has been a wonderful machine for exactly this purpose (and to entertain myself during breaks with Hulu and Netflix) and whenever I need more I just use my 3x27" monitor, core i5, GTX770 desktop PC for more serious work/gaming.

I'm more than ready to upgrade to a newer, faster, lighter Surface. Can't wait!

Man I have the surface RT now and man its just ok but theres like no dev'ing going on for it. I search the store for simple apps and cant find anything. The layout is crap and the thing is jittery. The browser just gets on my nerves a whole lot now. Every time you go back on the browser you have to wait until the entire page loads before you can do anything and I mean nothing. I wish there were other browsers I could use on the device. Would love to see some chrome action or even firefox. They need to get this threshold thing going first before releasing another RT table because right now I dont think its worth it. I can't use it to set an alarm and I cant even find a alarm clock app in the store and I can't display the battery percentage on the lock screen. You literally have to go to desktop mode and click the battery icon to see how much battery you have left. The battery seems to drain at unexpected times during standby after the 8.1 update, sometimes it good sometimes it just dead and I make sure I close all apps before putting the device to sleep. Sorry for the little rant guess I just expected better. Their multitasking is intuitive which is why I really like it but I can use android tablets that have usb and the ability to complete word documents ( Which takes you to the desktop environment to use office applications ????) which seems to be like their only marketing for the device.

Edited by Biglo, Jul 28 2014, 1:45pm :

Your problems are unrelated to the actual software (except the battery indicator which, agreed, is plain dumb), the problem is that the original RT - which I also have - is too slow for RT 8.1 (or 8.0 for that matter). It's workable, it's not fantastically fast but if you have a bit of patience you get used to it. That said, I totally get your frustration and it's exactly why I've been waiting for S3 rumors to start showing up so I'll know I have something faster to upgrade to, otherwise I would've bought a S2 this coming fall. Threshold won't happen until Spring 2015 but at least with a Fall 2014 S3 that machine will be the most ready for it!

Xabier Granja said,
Your problems are unrelated to the actual software (except the battery indicator which, agreed, is plain dumb), the problem is that the original RT - which I also have - is too slow for RT 8.1 (or 8.0 for that matter). It's workable, it's not fantastically fast but if you have a bit of patience you get used to it. That said, I totally get your frustration and it's exactly why I've been waiting for S3 rumors to start showing up so I'll know I have something faster to upgrade to, otherwise I would've bought a S2 this coming fall. Threshold won't happen until Spring 2015 but at least with a Fall 2014 S3 that machine will be the most ready for it!

Same here. The Surface 2 with LTE is exactly what I want, but coming from an RT it's hard to justify spending the money on a device that old. With pen support and LTE, an RT-based Surface 3 in the same size and form-factor as the previous RT Surfaces would be perfect for me.

Biglo said,
I search the store for simple apps and cant find anything. The layout is crap and the thing is jittery.

The browser just gets on my nerves a whole lot now. Every time you go back on the browser you have to wait until the entire page loads before you can do anything and I mean nothing. I wish there were other browsers I could use on the device. Would love to see some chrome action or even firefox.

I can't use it to set an alarm and I cant even find a alarm clock app in the store and I can't display the battery percentage on the lock screen. You literally have to go to desktop mode and click the battery icon to see how much battery you have left.

The battery seems to drain at unexpected times during standby after the 8.1 update, sometimes it good sometimes it just dead and I make sure I close all apps before putting the device to sleep.

Sorry for the little rant guess I just expected better. Their multitasking is intuitive which is why I really like it but I can use android tablets that have usb and the ability to complete word documents ( Which takes you to the desktop environment to use office applications ????) which seems to be like their only marketing for the device.

Some apps are missing, but how's that RT's fault? By layout, you mean the design or performance?

Chrome and FF will be even heavier on the processor than IE. They won't improve anything.

How did you miss the official alarm app?!

http://apps.microsoft.com/wind...d398-411c-a6c5-d01fd4523b94

As for battery indicator, you're right. That's a terrible oversight.

The battery drain isn't normal. It's either a rouge app causing it or that the OS has developed an issue, which should be fixed by doing a total device reset.

Well, android has it's limitations when it comes to USB devices, e.g. it does not work with NTFS formatted external drives.

From the performance point of view, you're correct, the original surface RT can get slow at times but that's because of its rather inadequate tegra 3 processor and not the OS itself.

P.S. There's this thing called paragraphing. It helps a lot, you know. :D

Boy if Quicken would come out with an RT version that would be huge for MS. I am curious does the RT platform allow for a fully functioning version of Quicken or is it too difficult, would love to know whether Intuit is developing or not. I don't know enough about code to comment, and we certainly don't get enough articles from the Neowins of the world as it relates to this type of challenge with software development.

I don't even hear people who trash RT, because they must have no understanding or sympathy for what average consumer type folks go through with technology, and unintentional Malware downloads whatsoever. I have a mapping website that I use perpetually, that shows property values etc. that is totally unusable on an iPad because it requires a certain level of mouse input.

I have finally moved from the Desktop version of OneNote to the Metro version (after I saw that you could enable pinch to zoom on the page). I can't wait till the Metro version of Office comes out, because at this point with RT, it is up to Microsoft to show other companies what is possible with the platform. Metro Office needs to come out this fall with the Surface 3 RT.

I hope this is true. I'd hate for Microsoft to abandon the 10.6 form factor. Its just large enough to be useful for serious stuff, while still being small enough to be portable.

That said, I'm still hoping the Mini comes out at some point for fully casual use.

Then we'd have a nice variety - the Pro 3 for professional use, the 10.6 for an even mix of casual and serious, and the Mini mostly for the apps, Kindle and email crowd (yet still capable of serious stuff with a monitor & keyboard attached).

DConnell said,
I hope this is true. I'd hate for Microsoft to abandon the 10.6 form factor. Its just large enough to be useful for serious stuff, while still being small enough to be portable.

That said, I'm still hoping the Mini comes out at some point for fully casual use.

Then we'd have a nice variety - the Pro 3 for professional use, the 10.6 for an even mix of casual and serious, and the Mini mostly for the apps, Kindle and email crowd (yet still capable of serious stuff with a monitor & keyboard attached).


Me too. This would be the perfect time and device I'm seeking to upgrade my Surface RT. I just hope it has an LTE option like the Surface 2.

Lighter and with pen support? Yes!

If marketed correctly, this device can seriously compete with the iPad Air.

Send from my Surface RT

I thought people wanted a smaller Surface, the so-called Surface Mini -- not another 10" version.

I'd rather get tha 12" Surface, too expensive though.

A340600 said,
I thought people wanted a smaller Surface, the so-called Surface Mini -- not another 10" version.

I'd rather get tha 12" Surface, too expensive though.

The mini-area is full with 8" devices from their OEM partners, which is part of the reason they canned the Surface Mini. They're not going to directly compete with their partners, no one was making a professional type 12" 3:2 tablet so the Surface Pro 3 got the green light.

theyarecomingforyou said,
RT based? No thanks.

I hope you don't use an iOS or Android tablet then.

because Windows RT is much more powerful than these smartphone OSes.

unless you still rely on some win32 apps or on Office Macros, WindowsRT is an awesome OS: almost all the features of a desktop OS, with the safety of a fully sandboxed smartphone OS.

link8506 said,

I hope you don't use an iOS or Android tablet then.

because Windows RT is much more powerful than these smartphone OSes.

unless you still rely on some win32 apps or on Office Macros, WindowsRT is an awesome OS: almost all the features of a desktop OS, with the safety of a fully sandboxed smartphone OS.

Believe it or not, many find other platforms more than useful and capable. And it isnt always on what the platform can do for lots, its about the look/feel/display of the product for many. Yes, RT is a capable OS, but it isnt for everyone.

techbeck said,

Believe it or not, many find other platforms more than useful and capable. And it isnt always on what the platform can do for lots, its about the look/feel/display of the product for many. Yes, RT is a capable OS, but it isnt for everyone.

if you had to choose between an iPad, an android tablet, and a surface RT as your only computing device, you would be really stupid not to choose the Windows RT-based device.

WindowsRT is not for everyone? What the hell does that mean? A feature-complete, malware-free OS, capable of fulfilling most people computing needs "isn't for everyone"?

link8506 said,

if you had to choose between an iPad, an android tablet, and a surface RT as your only computing device, you would be really stupid not to choose the Windows RT-based device.

Only computing device? You didnt say that at all before and doesnt really matter. Most who have an RT or an Android/iPad have other systems and this is just a companion device. And yes, I know several people who all they have is a Kindle/iDevice and it is perfect/suits them just fine. If you define those people as stupid, then you need to take a step back and realize that not everyone needs to use what MS provides and MS is no the end all be all. Price/form factor makes a good difference as well.


WindowsRT is not for everyone?

Exactly what I stated before. If you dont get that, then really there is not much more to explain.

link8506 said,
I hope you don't use an iOS or Android tablet then.
No, I don't use any tablet. But based on my preferences I would go for an Android tablet, as I like to customise the UI, find it to have a better app ecosystem and want the ability to purchase apps from competing stores.

Microsoft is far too restrictive with its app store and app policies.

techbeck said,

Only computing device? You didnt say that at all before and doesnt really matter. Most who have an RT or an Android/iPad have other systems and this is just a companion device. And yes, I know several people who all they have is a Kindle/iDevice and it is perfect/suits them just fine.

these people no longer use USB drives at all?
that alone makes it pretty unlikely that anyone would use an iPad without needing a computer at some point.


If you define those people as stupid, then you need to take a step back and realize that not everyone needs to use what MS provides and MS is no the end all be all. Price/form factor makes a good difference as well.

people who buy tablets often don't realize how limited they are. And once they do, they just think that every tablet must be just as limited.

but the fact is that is wrong. Tablets can be powerful without sacrificing battery life, security, and ease of use.

maybe you don't care much about eWaste and pollution, but personally I think it's not OK to consider tablets as companion devices when their internals are capable of pushing them as desktop replacement for most use cases.

unfortunately, android OEMs and apple want to sell more devices, PC/Macs + tablet/ipad. They are not interested in selling you a single device with the right software to solve all your needs.



Exactly what I stated before. If you dont get that, then really there is not much more to explain.

the only thing I "don't get", is how everyone seems to think a crippled device should be the standard, and anything else more powerful should be limited to just some users.

that doesn't make any sense.

theyarecomingforyou said,
No, I don't use any tablet. But based on my preferences I would go for an Android tablet, as I like to customise the UI, find it to have a better app ecosystem and want the ability to purchase apps from competing stores.

Microsoft is far too restrictive with its app store and app policies.


then a Windows 8 x86 tablet would seem like a better choice than an android tablet that won't received OS updates and security patches after 6month (as opposite to 10 years for win8)

no store restriction, unlimited personalization capabilities. But as with android (especially rooted), that comes with malware risks.

link8506 said,
then a Windows 8 x86 tablet would seem like a better choice than an android tablet that won't received OS updates and security patches after 6month (as opposite to 10 years for win8)

no store restriction, unlimited personalization capabilities. But as with android (especially rooted), that comes with malware risks.

Absolutely, but they are significantly more expensive.

link8506 said,

these people no longer use USB drives at all?
that alone makes it pretty unlikely that anyone would use an iPad without needing a computer at some point.

Right, because there is no other ways to transfer data to and from an iPad or Android device. Lots store data on their portable devices and ever heard of the cloud? Really, no PC/laptop is needed for lots.

people who buy tablets often don't realize how limited they are. And once they do, they just think that every tablet must be just as limited.

And lost buy things knowing exactly what they are getting. This goes with any product/any industry.

maybe you don't care much about eWaste and pollution, but personally I think it's not OK to consider tablets as companion devices when their internals are capable of pushing them as desktop replacement for most use cases.

With more and more companies recycling electronics now a days and devices lasting long and longer, ewaste is not that big a deal. Precious metals are hot thing now and keep getting hotter. So more and more electronics are getting recycled. But hey, I guess you are right. Why carry around a phone and a tablet when I can get a 8+ inch phablet to slap on my face. And Sorry, and RT devices is not a desktop/laptop replacement. The Pro, sure...RT...no.

unfortunately, android OEMs and apple want to sell more devices, PC/Macs + tablet/ipad. They are nit interested in selling you a single device with the right software to solve all your needs.

Again, needs depends on the person. If all they do is surf the internet, facebook, and watch books...ANY devices will work for them and it will solve ALL their needs. Stop thinking about your usage and start seeing what others may and do use a device for.


the only thing I "don't get", is how everyone seems to think a crippled device should be the standard, and anything else more powerful should be limited to just some users.

that doesn't make any sense.

You dont understand and it doesnt make any sense because you probably do more and have different uses that lots. Again, not everyone needs MS office and other services MS provides.

techbeck said,

Right, because there is no other ways to transfer data to and from an iPad or Android device. Lots store data on their portable devices and ever heard of the cloud?

yeah, the cloud is absolutely the best way to transfer 8gb of photos and videos from a tablet to another in the same hotel room /s


Really, no PC/laptop is needed for lots.

that's what I'm saying. As long as your tablet can do the basic things that you'll need to do at some point (even if you don't do these things every day). Things such as USB, side by side windows, Flash Player support (still used on a lot of web sites, esp outside the US)


And lost buy things knowing exactly what they are getting. This goes with any product/any industry.

no. Most people don't know much about computers and electronic gadgets. They just buy what other people (or ads) tell them they should get.



With more and more companies recycling electronics

sending used electronics to a dump in Ghana is NOT recycling. Yet that's what a big part of the recycling industry does.


now a days and devices lasting long and longer, ewaste is not that big a deal.

hardware lasts long. Software doesn't.
iPad 1 was no longer supported by apple after a year. And most android tablets are unsupported after 6 months.


Precious metals are hot thing now and keep getting hotter. So more and more electronics are getting recycled.

precious metals from ewaste are often recycled in a way that releases more dangerous chemicals in the wild than if the ewaste was not recycled at all.


But hey, I guess you are right. Why carry around a phone and a tablet when I can get a 8+ inch phablet to slap on my face. And Sorry, and RT devices is not a desktop/laptop replacement. The Pro, sure...RT...no.

unless you rely on office macros or Win32 software, Windows RT can do everything you can do on a desktop. Most people don't need win32 compatibility nowadays. Windows RT would be just fine for students and a lot of professionals.


Again, needs depends on the person. If all they do is surf the internet, facebook, and watch books...ANY devices will work for them and it will solve ALL their needs. Stop thinking about your usage and start seeing what others may and do use a device for.

You dont understand and it doesnt make any sense because you probably do more and have different uses that lots. Again, not everyone needs MS office and other services MS provides.

I'm pretty sure every student needs to use a word processor or a presentation software at some point of his life. Without mouse/keyboard it's pretty much impossible to works hours on such apps.
Surface RT is tablet, yet it provides the software and the hardware support to make it useful in that very common scenario.

techbeck said,

Right, because there is no other ways to transfer data to and from an iPad or Android device. Lots store data on their portable devices and ever heard of the cloud?

yeah, the cloud is absolutely the best way to transfer 8gb of photos and videos from a tablet to another in the same hotel room /s


Really, no PC/laptop is needed for lots.

that's what I'm saying. As long as your tablet can do the basic things that you'll need to do at some point (even if you don't do these things every day). Things such as USB, side by side windows, Flash Player support (still used on a lot of web sites, esp outside the US)


And lost buy things knowing exactly what they are getting. This goes with any product/any industry.

no. Most people don't know much about computers and electronic gadgets. They just buy what other people (or ads) tell them they should get.



With more and more companies recycling electronics

sending used electronics to a dump in Ghana is NOT recycling. Yet that's what a big part of the recycling industry does.


now a days and devices lasting long and longer, ewaste is not that big a deal.

hardware lasts long. Software doesn't.
iPad 1 was no longer supported by apple after a year. And most android tablets are unsupported after 6 months.


Precious metals are hot thing now and keep getting hotter. So more and more electronics are getting recycled.

precious metals from ewaste are often recycled in a way that releases more dangerous chemicals in the wild than if the ewaste was not recycled at all.


But hey, I guess you are right. Why carry around a phone and a tablet when I can get a 8+ inch phablet to slap on my face. And Sorry, and RT devices is not a desktop/laptop replacement. The Pro, sure...RT...no.

unless you rely on office macros or Win32 software, Windows RT can do everything you can do on a desktop. Most people don't need win32 compatibility nowadays. Windows RT would be just fine for students and a lot of professionals.


Again, needs depends on the person. If all they do is surf the internet, facebook, and watch books...ANY devices will work for them and it will solve ALL their needs. Stop thinking about your usage and start seeing what others may and do use a device for.

You dont understand and it doesnt make any sense because you probably do more and have different uses that lots. Again, not everyone needs MS office and other services MS provides.

I'm pretty sure every student needs to use a word processor or a presentation software at some point of his life. Without mouse/keyboard it's pretty much impossible to works hours on such apps.
Surface RT is tablet, yet it provides the software and the hardware support to make it useful in that very common scenario.

link8506 said,

yeah, the cloud is absolutely the best way to transfer 8gb of photos and videos from a tablet to another in the same hotel room /s

Why wouldnt it be? With highspeed internet, doesnt take long to xfer data to teh cloud and then be able to access it via the cloud. And with the cloud, you dont need to xfer all the data to another device. Take what you want, and then upload the data to the cloud directly. No need to copy data at all.

that's what I'm saying. As long as your tablet can do the basic things that you'll need to do at some point (even if you don't do these things every day). Things such as USB, side by side windows, Flash Player support (still used on a lot of web sites, esp outside the US)

Side by side is something that soon will not be limited to Windows. This is coming to a lot of devices. A lots get by just fine without Flash installed. Flash has been gone on Android devices for a looooong time now and is not impacting anyone much at all.

sending used electronics to a dump in Ghana is NOT recycling. Yet that's what a big part of the recycling industry does.

Never said it does. I said more and more are doing recycling. And here in the Us, you will get fined if you do not recycling products correctly.


unless you rely on office macros or Win32 software, Windows RT can do everything you can do on a desktop. Most people don't need win32 compatibility nowadays. Windows RT would be just fine for students and a lot of professionals.

And lots find an Android or iOS devices just as good as an RT device. Again, look at others uses and step outside of the box a little.

I'm pretty sure every student needs to use a word processor or a presentation software at some point of his life. Without mouse/keyboard it's pretty much impossible to works hours on such apps.
Surface RT is tablet, yet it provides the software and the hardware support to make it useful in that very common scenario.

Other office apps except for Office out there that many use and find just fine for their needs.

You are only thinking about what you use things for. A little tip, not everyone is you and not everyone has the ame users/needs as you. What is great about this world. Everyone is their own seperate person...an indivitual with different needs. Why there are a lot of other products out there that suits a varity of different uses, wants, form factors...and whatever else that a user needs or wants. If MS was what everyone needed and wanted, then sure I would agree with you on all your points. However, that isnt the case and as soon as you come out of your own little box and realize that there are different needs and wants out there, then maybe you will see what others do and understand their needs a little more.

And that is all I have to say. Just seems your field of vision is limited to what you use or a few people you know use.

I have come to really like the RT environment. I've found the Surface RT, and especially the Surface 2, to be fantastic devices. I don't run Photoshop or Visual Studio on them, but that's not what they're for!

link8506 said,

if you had to choose between an iPad, an android tablet, and a surface RT as your only computing device, you would be really stupid not to choose the Windows RT-based device.

Well, I was stupid enough to believe the Surface 2 would be for me. Turns out, LOTS and LOTS of apps are just not available for RT. And until that change, iOS and Android are going to be the "better" tablet choice. Using a tablet is not only for productivity (Office), it's for media and fun too. RT is lacking in the "fun" section.