Microsoft plans to roll out test version of browser ballot screen next week

Microsoft said on Friday that it will begin external testing of a browser ballot screen for European copies of Windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows 7 next week.

In July 2009, Microsoft proposed a ballot screen to allow users to pick their default browser in Windows XP, Vista and 7. The European Commission accepted Microsoft's plans in December 2009 after the software giant agreed to randomize the ballot screen due to several complaints from rival software companies. The agreement marked the end of the "browser wars" after Opera originally filed a complaint with the EU in 2007. The European Union originally accused Microsoft of anti-trust violations back in January 2009.

External testing of the browser ballot screen will begin next week in three countries: the United Kingdom, Belgium and France. Users wanting to test the new prompt will be able to download the software update from Windows Update.

The browser ballot screen software update will be offered as an automatic download through Windows Update for Windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows 7 users. Users who currently have Internet Explorer selected as the default browser will see an introductory screen providing them with information about the update. If Internet Explorer was “pinned” to the Windows 7 taskbar, the browser choice screen software update will automatically unpin it as shown below.

Microsoft said it plans to begin a phased roll-out of the update across Europe the week of March 1.

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Wonder what the other browsers on the rest of the scrollbar are...
Great this is finally happening. IE's death is surely on its way.

What worries me is that this screen is designed to give people an informed choice, yet it tells people that "Opera Turbo technology speeds up your internet connection" when really all it does is have the server compress the data and then Opera decompresses it, not only that but if you have an internet connection that is faster than 512k, its not effective.

I made some high quality pictures (in german), not the slow resolution pics from MS:

http://www.winvistaside.de/browser/microsoft-arbeitet-an-browserauswahl/

Is there a way to skip this ballot? I can see myself not using IE for a long time, then have some application launch it, causing the ballot Window to pop up and my choice playing havoc with my existing multi-browser configuration.

The ballot screen will be delivered via Windows Update. If you are in the habit of glancing over updates before installing them you will get a chance to spot it and disable it. As with any other disabled update, once disabled it will never show up again unless you specifically restore hidden updates.

My big issue is that these are not paid products in themselves. There is no charge for IE, Opera, Firefox, .... The only money that is made off of these products that I know of is from partnerships with other companies to default to their particular product (like google paying mozilla at one time to be the default search engine) or for the company to advertise their own products through their controlled browser. Advertising payments from aliances are also into the mix of motivation.

There has always been a choice, but its not about choice now, its about every major browser maker other than Microsoft wanting to get free advertising across the most widespread OS.

That is a huge accomplishment that wouldn't have even been possible without this forced decision. The more people they can legally underhandedly lure into their browser just means more money in their pocket and nothing more.

The monopoly argument can be thrown around and beat to death because it appeals to the "fighting for the little guy" sentiment that most people have, but last time I checked, apple, google, and mozilla were not exactly small fries in the business world and its no coincidence that they all banded together to get the free advertising. The thing is that you bought windows, and you can put whatever browser you want on it.

Also, by randomly ordering the browser selection, you can do a market extrapolation and can see that you are guaranteed to lose an equal number of non-techies from IE to the other plaintiffs.

The people of this forum aren't the targets of this move, it is the people that don't know what a browser is that are being focused..

joshua.barker said,
There has always been a choice
Ooh, that's a difficult comment to defend. When IE6 was at its height there was barely any choice at all. Opera and Mozilla, very marginally ... but it took Firefox to really break that trend.

Kirkburn said,
Ooh, that's a difficult comment to defend. When IE6 was at its height there was barely any choice at all. Opera and Mozilla, very marginally ... but it took Firefox to really break that trend.

You did see where it said "There has always been a choice, but its not about choice now" right?

Too late. I have Win7 installed and I have, alongside Internet Explorer, Firefox and Opera installed. This ballot screen business is over the top.

Should-have said,
Too late. I have Win7 installed and I have, alongside Internet Explorer, Firefox and Opera installed. This ballot screen business is over the top.
For *you*.

jporter said,
My opinion is still, Windows is the product of Microsoft and they can decide what browser is standard.

qft.

get a grip, EU. please... finally. just get GRIP!

Glassed Silver:win

With that line of reasoning, you have no issue with abusive monopolies? IE6's utter domination of the browser market was a good thing?

Kirkburn said,
With that line of reasoning, you have no issue with abusive monopolies? IE6's utter domination of the browser market was a good thing?

Read your previous post. I explained you what a monoploy is ;)

ricknl said,
Read your previous post. I explained you what a monoploy is ;)
I know what a monopoly is. Monopolies themselves are not exactly "bad", it's when they are abused, or have detrimental effects that they become a problem.

Im sorry... 12 alternatives? i recognize the ones in the picture... but, which ones are the rests of the list?
nt: sorry for my english...

This is dumb, IE is a feature of Windows. Nobody forces anyone to use it but it's Microsoft's product so they shouldn't be required to include programs from other companies. When will they be forcing Apple to include ballot screens for alternatives to Safari? What's next, a silly ballot screen when you turn on your computer asking you to choose between Windows, Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris...? How about forcing McDonald's to include a Burger King and Wendy's menu behind the counter?

Saburac said,
This is dumb, IE is a feature of Windows. Nobody forces anyone to use it but it's Microsoft's product so they shouldn't be required to include programs from other companies. When will they be forcing Apple to include ballot screens for alternatives to Safari? What's next, a silly ballot screen when you turn on your computer asking you to choose between Windows, Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris...? How about forcing McDonald's to include a Burger King and Wendy's menu behind the counter?

Better yet, could we please force Apple to STOP offering Safari every time there's an iTunes update?

So when can we look forward to the browser ballot for iPhone, Mac OS, Unbuntu, Android? Also I am not sure about this whole iTunes thing, maybe the EU knows of other ways to manage my music....

The EU missed the trick with this, it should have never been about IE, the anti trust suit should have been about bundling the Windows Media Codec, MS stands to make way more from media servers than it does with having funky html standards support. Which as off IE8 is not really such an issue.

jeff_pony said,
So when can we look forward to the browser ballot for iPhone, Mac OS, Unbuntu, Android? Also I am not sure about this whole iTunes thing, maybe the EU knows of other ways to manage my music....
Other OSes don't hold 90% majority of the market. iTunes is vaguely similar in terms of the media player market (iPod requires it), but not directly so.

jeff_pony said,
The EU missed the trick with this, it should have never been about IE, the anti trust suit should have been about bundling the Windows Media Codec, MS stands to make way more from media servers than it does with having funky html standards support. Which as off IE8 is not really such an issue.
Windows "N" edition, that dealt with media stuff already existed.

Kirkburn said,
Other OSes don't hold 90% majority of the market. iTunes is vaguely similar in terms of the media player market (iPod requires it), but not directly so.

Windows "N" edition, that dealt with media stuff already existed.

Microsoft hasn't held a 90% majority in the browser market for a very very very long time. Firefox and Chrome were making great strides into it's market share without this, so what's Opera's excuse?

Kirkburn said,
Other OSes don't hold 90% majority of the market. iTunes is vaguely similar in terms of the media player market (iPod requires it), but not directly so.

Windows "N" edition, that dealt with media stuff already existed.

IE8 is not a driver in standards anymore, if anything Firefox / Chrome / et al are pushing tech such as the video tag. IE follows now.

The iphone has a nice chunk of the mobile browsing market, if its anticompetitive to bundle a operating system then it should effect all players in the market regardless of size, thus surly avoiding future monopolies. The main people who are effected by this is the home users that are going to be confused to hell and probably have not heard of Firefox / Opera.

Windows N required the whole removal of media player, this was to over zealous, it should have just been the codec removed from all versions of windows and made a download only (e.g. silver light). Who is going to buy a addition of Windows advertised as missing software.

AgentGray said,
Microsoft hasn't held a 90% majority in the browser market for a very very very long time. Firefox and Chrome were making great strides into it's market share without this, so what's Opera's excuse?
Basically: because IE6 was ****, and didn't get updates. Competition occurred because of the utter awfulness that was IE6's lack of progress. Not a good way to get competition, to be honest.

Having this ballot screen several years ago would have been awesome. It's late coming, but it's still good, since it helps ensure competition continues.

Edited by Kirkburn, Feb 19 2010, 4:31pm :

Anarki said,
I hope they include Netscape Navigator in this ballot screen, its by far the best browser out there.

It was before MS killed it by building in IE which is how we got here today...

I really don't like the fact that Safari is in there. It's a horrible browser and all this Apple Software Update crap will make your computer experience even worse...

Ambroos said,
I really don't like the fact that Safari is in there. It's a horrible browser and all this Apple Software Update crap will make your computer experience even worse...

+1 but i guess it is an alternative after all...

This is so stupid its almost unbelievable, can you imagine how many people are going to be confused that their IE icon suddenly disappeared? I'm all for choice but it should be the choice of the user and not the ****ing EU.

CarlJ said,
can you imagine how many people are going to be confused that their IE icon suddenly disappeared?
The same number of people who don't read /any/ text put in front of their faces on the screen?

Kirkburn said,
The same number of people who don't read /any/ text put in front of their faces on the screen?

+1 The same number that does not know why they have so many unwanted pop ups:D

Kirkburn said,
The same number of people who don't read /any/ text put in front of their faces on the screen?

Yeah people who hit next, next, next and end up with some useless Toolbar and unwanted spyware on their PC ;)

Yeh who cares about choice. Let's just put all our eggs in the Microsoft basket. It's not like they've ever let us down or anything. ;)

This is getting Retarded.... Does anyone stand up to the EU.... Whats Next, sue Ford for not making a Chevy Engine available. When does Apple or any of the Lynux flavors have to do this.

Just another worthless application being installed on my system.

MikadoWU said,
This is getting Retarded.... Does anyone stand up to the EU.... Whats Next, sue Ford for not making a Chevy Engine available. When does Apple or any of the Lynux flavors have to do this.

The massive difference is that none of your examples has a monopoly

bobbba said,
The massive difference is that none of your examples has a monopoly
...that it has been found to have used in a detrimental way. (A monopoly itself isn't "bad" per se)

bobbba said,

The massive difference is that none of your examples has a monopoly

Do you know what 'mono' mean?

Microsoft has never been a monopoly, and never been charged for being one, any how, being a monopoly is nothing unlawful.

Microsoft was charged nearly 10 years ago for attempting to set up a monopoly, and abusing his economic power in the market.

Microsoft has never been a monolpoly and never will be one.

Edited by Atrius, Feb 19 2010, 5:59pm :

ricknl said,
Do you know what 'mono' mean?

Microsoft has never been a monopoly, and never been charged for being one, any how, being a monopoly is nothing unlawful.

Microsoft was charged nearly 10 years ago for attempting to set up a monopoly, and abusing his economic power in the market.

Microsoft has never been a monolpoly and never will be one.

And I quote (though it characterizes a "bad" monopoly):

In economics, a monopoly exists when a specific individual or an enterprise has sufficient control over a particular product or service to determine significantly the terms on which other individuals shall have access to it. Monopolies are thus characterized by a lack of economic competition for the good or service that they provide and a lack of viable substitute goods.

Basically, it doesn't require 100% market control to be charged with monopolistic practises. (Which you imply by asking about the meaning of "mono")

Edited by Kirkburn, Feb 19 2010, 8:11pm :

GP007 said,
Meh forget this, how about they give me a test version (CTP) for IE9 next week instead? I'm way more interested in that.

Yer man! I don't give a monkeys about any choice screen. Hell i have a fair amount of choice

Dumb question but how is this going to effect Corp users?? As if this becomes forced dear god it's going to give me a headache!

Also i know what im doing, clicking IE as i have never had an issue with it and i hate whiners

tunafish said,
Dumb question but how is this going to effect Corp users?? As if this becomes forced dear god it's going to give me a headache!

Also i know what im doing, clicking IE as i have never had an issue with it and i hate whiners

Not affected. Those running WSUS can block it.

ArKeYa said,
I don't understand people bitching about this. I can see nothing wrong with it.

It is the principle. Forcing a company to advertise other companies products is ridiculous.

ricknl said,

It is the principle. Forcing a company to advertise other companies products is ridiculous.

In a competitive market an OS maker SHOULD advertsie 3rd party products avalaible for his OS.

If Mac OS and Windows would be toe to toe you can be sure MS would try to promote 3rd party apps avalaible for their OS as much as they can. Specially the exclusive ones but also the popular ones avalaible for both.

Why do you think MS get excited as soon as they get support for the 360 (GTA, FF, ..) and makes sure everyone know about it ? Because they have no choice to promote 3rd party apps for this system. People must know GTA is avalaible for 360 if not they're going to buy a competitor product like the PS3. Each time i open my 360 i get information about new products by MS but also by 3rd party companies.

Sadly it's not the case in the OS market. Most people don't know what products are avalaible outside of MS world. Not everyone have time to lose reading web sites about Windows apps.

LaP said,

In a competitive market an OS maker SHOULD advertsie 3rd party products avalaible for his OS.

If Mac OS and Windows would be toe to toe you can be sure MS would try to promote 3rd party apps avalaible for their OS as much as they can. Specially the exclusive ones but also the popular ones avalaible for both.

Why do you think MS get excited as soon as they get support for the 360 (GTA, FF, ..) and makes sure everyone know about it ? Because they have no choice to promote 3rd party apps for this system. People must know GTA is avalaible for 360 if not they're going to buy a competitor product like the PS3. Each time i open my 360 i get information about new products by MS but also by 3rd party companies.

Sadly it's not the case in the OS market. Most people don't know what products are avalaible outside of MS world. Not everyone have time to lose reading web sites about Windows apps.

Your argument would make more sense, and be more related to this article, if you said Microsoft should advertise Mac OS X.

ricknl said,

It is the principle. Forcing a company to advertise other companies products is ridiculous.


Generally that should be the case. However we have a special situation where MS have taken an unfair advantage and the EU believe warrants special solution.

I understand the principle but in this instance not much to get them panties in a bunch.

It's good to see that European users will now have a choice (which I considered was already available though). It should enlighten users about the range of modern browsers available. :)

DaMiEn said,
It's good to see that European users will now have a choice (which I considered was already available though). It should enlighten users about the range of modern browsers available. :)

Everyone has always had a choice. This is the result of people whining about Microsoft's success, and it won't solve anything.

what said,
Everyone has always had a choice. This is the result of people whining about Microsoft's success, and it won't solve anything.

+1

what said,

Everyone has always had a choice. This is the result of people whining about Microsoft's success, and it won't solve anything.

True,but this is what they wanted. At the end of the day it's entirely up to the user though. Stick with what comes with the system or try a different browser.

what said,

Everyone has always had a choice. This is the result of people whining about Microsoft's success, and it won't solve anything.

They didn't when MS first built IE into the OS in order to dominate the market

what said,
This is the result of people whining about Microsoft's success, and it won't solve anything.
Yes, Microsoft's success in bundling IE with Windows. Why won't it solve anything? I can see this very directly leading to more varied browser usage and, thus, competition.

Kirkburn said,
Yes, Microsoft's success in bundling IE with Windows. Why won't it solve anything? I can see this very directly leading to more varied browser usage and, thus, competition.

Not really. Microsoft changed everything by making the browser for free. Netscape couldn't come up with a new browser after 4.0, and when they did it was too late (that late that they even had to skip 5.0, and jumoed to 6.0). By that time Internet Explorer was wide spread used.

If Netscape was a better choice, even if Internet Explorer was bundled with the OS, people would still continue using it.

Edited by Atrius, Feb 19 2010, 5:49pm :

ricknl said,
Not really. Microsoft changed everything by making the browser for free. Netscape couldn't come up with a new browser after 4.0, and when they did it was too late (that late that they even had to skip 5.0, and jumoed to 6.0). By that time Internet Explorer was wide spread used.

If Netscape was a better choice, even if Internet Explorer was bundled with the OS, people would still continue using it.

Yeah, I suppose Netscape did badly towards the end - but in that case it was basically a duopoly. Netscape went down, no-one else was there to take their place.

jamesclarke555 said,
Hope I can block this update somehow.

why would you even bother? surely you will only get the ballot screen if I.E is your default browser...

Fubar said,

why would you even bother? surely you will only get the ballot screen if I.E is your default browser...

Because I don't need this stupid ballot screen to babysit me and I like IE8 anyway.

jamesclarke555 said,

Because I don't need this stupid ballot screen to babysit me and I like IE8 anyway.


wow... its going to take all of 5 seconds maybe? to click a button to keep using I.E 8 must be such a pain

Fubar said,

wow... its going to take all of 5 seconds maybe? to click a button to keep using I.E 8 must be such a pain

Don't be pedantic, fact is I don't need this update!

jamesclarke555 said,

Don't be pedantic, fact is I don't need this update!


Fact is if you are European EU says you do so again stop whinging because you have to take allof 5 seconds tops to click the I.E button and carry on before

Edited by Fubar, Feb 19 2010, 12:12pm :

Fubar said,

Fact is if you are European EU says you do so again stop whinging because you have to take allof 5 seconds tops to click the I.E button and carry on before

+1

carmatic said,

but its about the principle, see... do we want to keep on letting the EU symbolically bumrape us?


In what way are they bum raping you? they are adding a ballot screen to make most of joe public aware there is more than just Internet explorer, hardly putting a gun to your head while you watch your rather get anally raped by a big guy

lets not forget that a big clump of users are still using I.E 6 which is a bad thing

Fubar said,

In what way are they bum raping you? they are adding a ballot screen to make most of joe public aware there is more than just Internet explorer, hardly putting a gun to your head while you watch your rather get anally raped by a big guy

lets not forget that a big clump of users are still using I.E 6 which is a bad thing


+1

Fubar said,

Fact is if you are European EU says you do so again stop whinging because you have to take allof 5 seconds tops to click the I.E button and carry on before

You just don't go away do you? I'm one of those people who reinstall Windows a lot! So, I'll end up seeing this more than once. If you like the ballot screen then fine, but I'm posting MY opinion.

jamesclarke555 said,

You just don't go away do you? I'm one of those people who reinstall Windows a lot! So, I'll end up seeing this more than once. If you like the ballot screen then fine, but I'm posting MY opinion.


No youdont seem to get it, Create a backup from windows itself and it will be in the same state as your last install, the fact of the matter is you have no choice.

How often do you install it? Unless you do it a couple times a day, I don't see how spending 5 additional seconds just to click "IE" in that ballot screen could affect you in any way.

Edited by brentaal, Feb 19 2010, 12:16pm :

brentaal said,
How often do you install it? Unless you do it a couple times a day, I don't see how spending 5 additional seconds just to click "IE" in that ballot screen could affect you in any way.
It's 5 extra seconds he doesn't get to bitch about something else.

Some of you don't manage networks of 1200+ PCs and have to deal with the fallout when people will pick Firefox or Chrome and then wonder why they can't get onto the internet due to proxy misconfiguration or why our Line-of-Business software stops working.

Fubar said,

In what way are they bum raping you? they are adding a ballot screen to make most of joe public aware there is more than just Internet explorer, hardly putting a gun to your head while you watch your rather get anally raped by a big guy

lets not forget that a big clump of users are still using I.E 6 which is a bad thing

It's a retardrd waste of time that was an idea by people that couldn't find real things to do.. What it says is "You are too stupid to know what's going on, so here it is in your face" . Visit google in the last decade ? Then you know about Firefox and now Chrome, it tells you.

And it's the principal.. Windows is a MS Product, they should be allowed to have in it whatever they want.. You don't see Ford suing GM to get Onstar in their cars, or a Hemmi in a Toyota, etc..The fact that you can change it after the fact is a nice GIFT MS gave us. And I really wish MS hadn't been such ******* about it, and took the EU to task.. Or baring that, shipped Windows without a Browser and get the People up in arms about getting a crippled install because of the EU.

CarlBooth said,
Some of you don't manage networks of 1200+ PCs and have to deal with the fallout when people will pick Firefox or Chrome and then wonder why they can't get onto the internet due to proxy misconfiguration or why our Line-of-Business software stops working.
Thats why you can disable this via WSUS...

Fubar said,

Fact is if you are European EU says you do so again stop whinging because you have to take allof 5 seconds tops to click the I.E button and carry on before

Their right... EU sayd u have to pick the broswer your already using again just to prove a point

jamesclarke555 said,

You just don't go away do you? I'm one of those people who reinstall Windows a lot! So, I'll end up seeing this more than once. If you like the ballot screen then fine, but I'm posting MY opinion.

Maybe they should offer the opportunity of how many times you think you might need to reinstall. Maybe you'd figure out how to use the computer to begin with then.

Boy, the EU people sure know how to screw with anything and everything, don't they.

This is a very dumb idea, but it is getting what the EU wanted.

cork1958 said,

Maybe they should offer the opportunity of how many times you think you might need to reinstall. Maybe you'd figure out how to use the computer to begin with then.

Boy, the EU people sure know how to screw with anything and everything, don't they.

This is a very dumb idea, but it is getting what the EU wanted.


Im with James, im a web developer and i still like having ie8 as my default, i have it pinned to my taskbar and similarly i reinstall a fair amount. why should i have to keep setting ie8 as my default then pin it to my taskbar over and over again.
ive made my choice so leave me be

So if it's "just a few clicks" to get rid of the browser ballot. I suppose if Microsoft released a broken update by accident that uninstalled all your applications, the "just a few clicks" crowd would be totally fine with that, since it's just a few clicks to get all your apps back.

Totally fine.

Not posting fits of nerd rage on forums discussing it at all. No sir.

jamesclarke555 said,

Because I don't need this stupid ballot screen to babysit me and I like IE8 anyway.

Then just install IE from the ballot screen.

Seriously god. MS is a company not your own mother.

Why do some people care about MS so much i will never understand. They make good products. I buy some of their products (Windows 7, XBox 360) but that's all. I'm not in a relationship with them.

MS needed to make a ballot screen OMFG it's terrible. God do some people here really think it's hard to make a ballot screen ?

It will only give users of Windows, those you actually PAID for it, the choice to install what they want. It's a choice users of Windows who PAID for it should have anyway.

I personally would like to have the choice to install what i want when i install Windows. In a competitive market MS would not have the choice to promote 3rd party products like they need to do for the 360.

Athernar said,
I suppose if Microsoft released a broken update by accident that uninstalled all your applications, the "just a few clicks" crowd would be totally fine with that, since it's just a few clicks to get all your apps back.
Come on, this is a one-time event. It doesn't involve any uninstallation of apps, and the change isn't comparable. Via the very short wizard you'd immediately return to the config you liked.

Do you guys seriously not see the back up entire pc feature that has been there since vista?? install the update click I.E that you like using then back up the entire pc, problem solved for those that have to constantly reinstall their system, best bit is it backs up the actual state and takes what 30 mins to reinstall to its state before,, again you people need to learn how to use a computer...

Edited by Fubar, Feb 19 2010, 2:38pm : spelling

Fubar said,
Do you guys seriously not see the back up entire pc feature that has been there since vista?? install the update click I.E that you like using then back up the entire pc, problem solved for those that have to consently reinstall their system, best bit is it backs up the actual state and takes what 30 mins to reinstall to its state before,, again you people need to learn how to use a computer...

+1

CarlBooth said,
Some of you don't manage networks of 1200+ PCs and have to deal with the fallout when people will pick Firefox or Chrome and then wonder why they can't get onto the internet due to proxy misconfiguration or why our Line-of-Business software stops working.

if you're administering a 1200+ workstation business, most likely windows update is not turned on and is handled by group policy. workstations should not have to worry about this, neither should network admins have to worry about users fouling it up.
if the users can, then that's a hole in the technology policy of the company.

LaP said,

It will only give users of Windows, those you actually PAID for it, the choice to install what they want. It's a choice users of Windows who PAID for it should have anyway.

we dont have that already? funny how i have ie8, firefox and chrome (with the CHOICE to install more) on my systems.
guess i am a windows rebel choosing what i want to install
/sarcasm

Fubar said,


No youdont seem to get it, Create a backup from windows itself and it will be in the same state as your last install, the fact of the matter is you have no choice.

I'm guessing you're an Opera user, lol. Seriously though, I never asked for your advice and I certainly don't need it thanks. FYI I use an unattended install rather than using backups. Microsoft will probably have a GPO for this in the near future anyway, so I DO have a choice.
Secondly, you seem to have a real attitude problem, you need to grow up and grasp the fact that other people may have opinions which differ from your own. Good day to you Sir!

It's the principle of the whole thing anyway, Microsoft should be able to bundle whatever they see fit, they shouldn't have advertise for other companies and users shouldn't be subjected to it, it's retarded.

Fubar said,
Do you guys seriously not see the back up entire pc feature that has been there since vista?? install the update click I.E that you like using then back up the entire pc, problem solved for those that have to constantly reinstall their system, best bit is it backs up the actual state and takes what 30 mins to reinstall to its state before,, again you people need to learn how to use a computer...

isnt back up entire pc is a feature of Business, Ultimate, and Enterprise editions, the standard back up only saves files so you would have to reinstall updates again
its an inconvience that we would rather not have

LaP said,

Seriously god. MS is a company not your own mother.

WTF are you going on about?

LaP said,
I personally would like to have the choice to install what i want when i install Windows. In a competitive market MS would not have the choice to promote 3rd party products like they need to do for the 360.

Last time I checked, you have the freedom to install whatever you want, with or without a ballot screen.

Kirkburn said,
Come on, this is a one-time event. It doesn't involve any uninstallation of apps, and the change isn't comparable. Via the very short wizard you'd immediately return to the config you liked.

Irrelevant. 1 click is 1 click too many.

CarlBooth said,
or why our Line-of-Business software stops working.

The person who wrote your line of business software and tied it to a specific browser is a moron. Same goes for the person who approved that decision, all the way up the chain to the CEO of your company.

jamesclarke555 said,
Microsoft should be able to bundle whatever they see fit, they shouldn't have advertise for other companies and users shouldn't be subjected to it, it's retarded.

I have to agree with you here. Unfortunately, dealing with retards is what you have to deal with when you deal with Europeans.

roadwarrior said,

I have to agree with you here. Unfortunately, dealing with retards is what you have to deal with when you deal with Europeans.

Troll much?

bobbba said,
Taking long enough but great news all the same.

Agree why great? More time wasted on little banter of a company which has no hope in the future

Choice is always great but in practical terms:

1. More browser competition means more innovation
2. More browser competition means more compliance with standards
3. Recognition of past behaviour by MS being flawed and steering better future behavour (less built in and no alternate bundling)

bobbba said,
Choice is always great but in practical terms:

1. More browser competition means more innovation
2. More browser competition means more compliance with standards
3. Recognition of past behaviour by MS being flawed and steering better future behavour (less built in and no alternate bundling)

Agreed. More open competition benefits everyone.

Edited by Kirkburn, Feb 19 2010, 2:20pm :

bobbba said,
Choice is always great but in practical terms:

1. More browser competition means more innovation
2. More browser competition means more compliance with standards
3. Recognition of past behaviour by MS being flawed and steering better future behavour (less built in and no alternate bundling)


Having IE installed by default does not prevent you from downloading another browser and using that as your default browser. Therefore your points are moot.

The only reason this change came about is because the EU is made up of a bunch of a retarded, technology-ignorant cry babies.

spacer said,

Having IE installed by default does not prevent you from downloading another browser and using that as your default browser. Therefore your points are moot.

The only reason this change came about is because the EU is made up of a bunch of a retarded, technology-ignorant cry babies.

*sigh*
No, it's because IE is bundled as part of Windows. And most of the general populace are technologically ignorant - that's why this is done.

Kirkburn said,
*sigh*
No, it's because IE is bundled as part of Windows. And most of the general populace are technologically ignorant - that's why this is done.

Sure that's the reason why Bing has the most market share in search business. Because it is the default search engine of Internet Explorer.

ricknl said,

Sure that's the reason why Bing has the most market share in search business. Because it is the default search engine of Internet Explorer.

That's a very good point. By the way, It's bundled because it is their product.

ricknl said,
Sure that's the reason why Bing has the most market share in search business. Because it is the default search engine of Internet Explorer.
Bing is new. Previously it was Live Search, which was nowhere near as good.

Besides Google got traction before MS really got into the business properly, and switching between search engines is an inbuilt part of the browser experience. It takes about 5 seconds. They also gave you a list of search providers to choose from. Kinda like this ballot screen, eh.

Just watch, opera will still be unused and have low market share, and theyll go crying to the EU for more free publicity to try and fix it. Most ppl that i know that used opera, including myself, couldnt get used to the UI.

Kirkburn said,
*sigh*
No, it's because IE is bundled as part of Windows. And most of the general populace are technologically ignorant - that's why this is done.

I couldn’t agree more, very true statement.

brent3000 said,

Agree why great? More time wasted on little banter of a company which has no hope in the future

lol - we'll see

Kirkburn said,
*sigh*
No, it's because IE is bundled as part of Windows. And most of the general populace are technologically ignorant - that's why this is done.

Didn't you just repeat what the person you replied to said?