Microsoft reveals pricing for Xbox One

When it announced its new Xbox One console last month, Microsoft omitted a few key details, much to the frustration of a great many people. While the company has shared plenty of details since then - including details of its need for an internet connection and used game policies - two of the most important questions remained unanswered: how much and how soon? 

Today, at its Xbox keynote at E3 2013, Microsoft finally announced pricing for the new console, which will go on sale in 21 countries this November. In the US, the console - which will include a Kinect sensor and one wireless controller - will launch for $499 USD. 

In Europe, the launch price will be €499 EUR, while in the United Kingdom, buyers will have to pay £429 GBP at launch. 

We'd love to hear your thoughts on the Xbox One's pricing - be sure to let us know in the comments below!

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up to I saw the paycheck for $5285, I have faith ...that...my friend was like they say actualie bringing in money parttime on their apple laptop.. there sisters neighbour has done this for less than fourteen months and just now took care of the dept on their mini mansion and bourt Bugatti Veyron. go to, BOW6.COM

I don't make a lot of money, but I still will be getting a day one xbox one. With BF4. People complain too much, I personally think the always on connection doesn't really matter, I sub to broadband for a reason to be ALWAYS ON. I am sure they will modify it before the release to help out all the military people. And as far at the kinect, I will just turn it around so it doesnt face me. People scream big brother, what about all the other companies who have similar policies, no body is crying wolf at them. (apple, google,yahoo)

This could actually be my first console and I'll be definitely pre-ordering one. Is the price too expensive for us Brits... when you take into consideration. At the current exchange rate.

$499.00 - £318.00

£318.00 * 20% = £381.00
£381.00 * 12% = £426.00

As above, 20% UK Tax and 12% is Import Duties per console which doesn't sound that much. Until you put them into a million units then it becomes clear. When you think about it. A high end GFX card would be in the region of between £400.00 - £500.00.

I'm fine with the price as you are getting a better product. PS4 suffers from poor framerate issues and the Killzone game play looked nothing like that CG rendered mess they showed in Feb. I will end up with both but the XOne is a no brainer for me. I really hope MS changes the DRM stuff but it's not a huge deal to me. Sony just left the door open for the publisher to screw you over directly instead of having set guidelines. They all want some form of DRM and I am 99.9% sure the PS4 will have it sooner or later. Look at the PS3. PS3 looked better on paper but the 360 games look far better and the same is true for the PS4 vs One. And if you can't have your console connected to some form of broadband then you can't afford a damn Xbox, remove the tinfoil hats people...

patseguin said,
$499 is exactly what I expected. How could anyone expect to get a next gen console cheaper than that?

These "kids" aren't thinking rationally, that's the problem..

So, after 8 years of inflation and added hardware and lots of new services you expect the new Xbox to be CHEAPER than the previous generation?

Even though IT IS CHEAPER?! The Xbox 360 launch price was 400$, the Kinect launch price was 150$, so that's 550$. Now you'll get a new generation console, at launch, with waaaay better hardware, bundled Kinect, TV and other online services for 500$ at launch.

So after 8 years, you still get it for fewer $$$ and you complain? It's too expensive, you say? Buy some freaking lego then, poor man! WTH is wrong with all these cheap, unrealistic, reflex-hater people saying they WON'T buy this? Then just don't, who the h*ll cares?

This, consoles haven't gotten more expensive. It even seems to be one of the few products that always has ignored inflation. The pricing has been similar for almost all of them at launch.

Who are you people kidding? You know your asses are going to be out in front of the store on Thanksgiving night waiting to purchase the unit. All it takes is for a few people to talk about how great it is and everyone will fold. Stop embarrassing yourselves.

notta said,
Who are you people kidding? You know your asses are going to be out in front of the store on Thanksgiving night waiting to purchase the unit. All it takes is for a few people to talk about how great it is and everyone will fold. Stop embarrassing yourselves.

Nope not a chance.

notta said,
Who are you people kidding? You know your asses are going to be out in front of the store on Thanksgiving night waiting to purchase the unit. All it takes is for a few people to talk about how great it is and everyone will fold. Stop embarrassing yourselves.

typical internet complainers,thats all it is. same story every single time.

notta said,
Who are you people kidding? You know your asses are going to be out in front of the store on Thanksgiving night waiting to purchase the unit. All it takes is for a few people to talk about how great it is and everyone will fold. Stop embarrassing yourselves.

mandatory kinect and having to take games to a shop to sell them on and likely get little more in exchange for them... NO THANKS!

There are plenty of reasons to wait a couple of years to buy a One, but £429 is a biggy. Trouble is early adopters are needed to get the content creators to invest in developing games.

Sonne said,
RIP Xbox...Microsoft is just killing themselves lately, WP, W8 and now this ugh

I do wonder about their execs and what planet they live in after they shoved all that DRM crap at us they expect us to smile and shell out £430 for this thing. MS really is run by idiots.

What is wrong with Windows 8? Takes a day or two to get used to it and completely get back to using it for what an operating system should be. Something to run the apps you use on.

Windows Phone 8 is OK. It's no iOS but it's functional and easy to use.

Well I was unimpressed with it already, but for $499 they definitely get to keep it. I'm curious about if Sony matches that price though. If they can undercut it they should. This is a HUGE opportunity to take advantage of.

margrave said,
Well I was unimpressed with it already, but for $499 they definitely get to keep it. I'm curious about if Sony matches that price though. If they can undercut it they should. This is a HUGE opportunity to take advantage of.

Exactly, they have a few hours to tell retailers they are charging $10 less than microsoft, that would increase sales by a few percent.

I bet PS4 will be at $499 too! Not surprise for the price. Not sure if I'm going to get one right away because of money issue I have. :-(

thealexweb said,
If Sony sells the PS4 for £349 it will be a really heavy blow. MS continues to handle the Xbox One terribly...

Xbox would be destroyed in uk if it launched at that price. I expect ps4 will be £399 though, possibly as high as £449.

torrentthief said,

Xbox would be destroyed in uk if it launched at that price. I expect ps4 will be £399 though, possibly as high as £449.

Nah Sony is playing it smart, they will undercut MS, maybe not by much, but they will do it just to be the 'cheapest'

seems many current xbox owners are pretty incensed all over the web about the new xbox one. calling it now - most of them will buy one anyway!

Spyder said,
seems many current xbox owners are pretty incensed all over the web about the new xbox one. calling it now - most of them will buy one anyway!

I won't despite getting both the first xbox and the 360 at launch and spending probably over £2500 on all things xbox, I'm out.

That price for the Xbox One and a redesigned new Xbox 360 console? I'd understand if the 360 games would be backwards compatible on the One.

Notice how this is launching 8 years after Sony announced a PS3 starting price of $499 for the low end device that was not readily available, meaning you paid the $599 price. 8 years of massive global inflation, advances with much better and more tech in the Xbox One. And the Sony fanboys defended the $499 price 8 years ago. But now, it is too much, it is the end of the device, Sony has won, Microsoft is finished, and lots more scare tactics.

StephenBratz said,
Notice how this is launching 8 years after Sony announced a PS3 starting price of $499 for the low end device that was not readily available, meaning you paid the $599 price. 8 years of massive global inflation, advances with much better and more tech in the Xbox One. And the Sony fanboys defended the $499 price 8 years ago. But now, it is too much, it is the end of the device, Sony has won, Microsoft is finished, and lots more scare tactics.
PS3 and Xbox 360 were both massive upgrades. The components in these things are mid range at best. PS3 was also cheaper at launch than this in the UK.

It was way too much, everyone agreed on that. The thing was that Bluray players were pretty expensive too so why not invest in a 2-in-1 device? That's where many people were okay with it. Those that just wanted a console though were pretty upset, and I'm pretty sure I remember the internet being angry about that too.

Honestly though, you should probably put a cork in it regarding fanboys as they exist on both sides of the fence and have no relevance to anyone with half a brain. Anyone that'd defend a nasty price or an overheating 360 has got to be utterly clueless in what's good for the consumer.

the better twin said,
PS3 and Xbox 360 were both massive upgrades. The components in these things are mid range at best. PS3 was also cheaper at launch than this in the UK.

just stop..

spudtrooper said,

just stop..


It is true. The GPU and CPU are based on distinctly mid range AMD components. If you do not care to educate yourself on the subject then 'just stop' commenting.

mattacular said,

It is true. The GPU and CPU are based on distinctly mid range AMD components. If you do not care to educate yourself on the subject then 'just stop' commenting.

The GPU and CPU are fine for 1080p/60 gaming. That's all the systems needed to be designed for.

spudtrooper said,

The GPU and CPU are fine for 1080p/60 gaming. That's all the systems needed to be designed for.


Hang on a second now youre changing your mind? So we agree they are mid range components. Glad we established that.

spudtrooper said,

The GPU and CPU are fine for 1080p/60 gaming. That's all the systems needed to be designed for.


Oh so now they are fine for 1080p? Great but that's not the point. This costs £430 which is £150 more than the 360 at launch. For that price I expect more than mid range components. you are paying for Kinect, if you want that great. I have no interest and wanted a great follow up to the 360 and am hugely disappointed and that is before I even get started on the draconian DRM.

mattacular said,

It is true. The GPU and CPU are based on distinctly mid range AMD components. If you do not care to educate yourself on the subject then 'just stop' commenting.

Cause they are based on mid-range, it means they are still mid-range?
These aren't the same chips you find in a normal computer.
Also these systems have the advantage of being 1 single chipset for every system.
And there is more in there then just a CPU and GPU, the chips are good enough to give you the realistic graphics you oh so desire.

spudtrooper said,

no they're not.


You clearly know nothing, or are baffled by corporate speak. It has a laptop standard CPU and the graphics card is mid range for 2012 not counting rumours of a downclock. Then there is the fact that only 5GB of that slow ram is available for games.

mattacular said,

You clearly know nothing, or are baffled by corporate speak. It has a laptop standard CPU and the graphics card is mid range for 2012 not counting rumours of a downclock. Then there is the fact that only 5GB of that slow ram is available for games.

Pretty much says all I need to say.

mattacular said,

You clearly know nothing, or are baffled by corporate speak. It has a laptop standard CPU and the graphics card is mid range for 2012 not counting rumours of a downclock. Then there is the fact that only 5GB of that slow ram is available for games.

MS could stuff PS2 hardware in an Xbone case and spudtrooper would still be here calling it bleeding-edge.

Laptop standard CPU? Uhm, I rarely encounter laptops with octocores.
And this isn't the same chip you think it is, its a customized chip. So yes its a year old by now, so what. Doesn't mean it performs the same.
CPU power isn't the problem, it isn't this generation, it surely wont be the next generation.

mattacular said,

You clearly know nothing, or are baffled by corporate speak. It has a laptop standard CPU and the graphics card is mid range for 2012 not counting rumours of a downclock. Then there is the fact that only 5GB of that slow ram is available for games.

I know enough to know its a waste of time trying to persuade people like you about anything.

Go ahead, be a lemming and spout of stats that are meaningless. Of course you can ALWAYS buy better than any console if money isn't of any concern.. but in doing so, you're spending much more than 499 bucks.

So go blow your own money. At least I have the common sense to understand what the console is or isn't. You on the other hand, are just a lost cause of hate.

spudtrooper said,

I know enough to know its a waste of time trying to persuade people like you about anything.

Go ahead, be a lemming and spout of stats that are meaningless. Of course you can ALWAYS buy better than any console if money isn't of any concern.. but in doing so, you're spending much more than 499 bucks.

So go blow your own money. At least I have the common sense to understand what the console is or isn't. You on the other hand, are just a lost cause of hate.


Lol the ramblings of a defeated individual who simply resorts to claiming others are spouting hate when they are exposed for what they are.

Considering that seven years ago, Playstation 3 was priced at $499 and $599 when it retailed, and the different between the two was the HDD capacity. I think the XONE is priced reasonable since it already comes with new features and Kinect.

I'll break my tradition of waiting for 6 months before purchasing a console, and I would purchase XONE on launch day since I've saved for it already.

RommelS said,
Considering that seven years ago, Playstation 3 was priced at $499 and $599 when it retailed, and the different between the two was the HDD capacity. I think the XONE is priced reasonable since it already comes with new features and Kinect.

I'll break my tradition of waiting for 6 months before purchasing a console, and I would purchase XONE on launch day since I've saved for it already.

Make sure to pay internet bill on time so you can play game and get some smartphone with data plan in case if you like to go camping and bring your Xboner with you.

Auditor said,

Make sure to pay internet bill on time so you can play game and get some smartphone with data plan in case if you like to go camping and bring your Xboner with you.

Is that your attempt in humor because it failed in every aspect of it. However, I'll give you this, I'll laugh at you and your stupidity.

I predict the PS4 will be $399 or could be more. The best thing to do is to wait it out a couple of years for the console and games to mature and the price to drop!

Edited by Atomic Wanderer Chicken, Jun 10 2013, 6:27pm :

The UK price is actually higher than what the PS3 launched at and everyone slaughtered that. I can't understand why anyone would want this thing.

The even bigger problem is the fact that new games are at the £55 mark now. £429 for the console and then an extra couple hundred for a few games to play on it? I don't think so. Gaming has become way too expensive now. What happened to the good old days when you could pick up a new game for £40?

Ryano121 said,
The even bigger problem is the fact that new games are at the £55 mark now. £429 for the console and then an extra couple hundred for a few games to play on it? I don't think so. Gaming has become way too expensive now. What happened to the good old days when you could pick up a new game for £40?

Launch games are always £50-60 in the uk for xbox/ps. They are £50 on zavvi btw except for fifa which is £55.

Meh too much, for $500 I can do a pretty decent upgrade on the PC and get more functionality out if it. PS4 probably won't be much better. Probably going to take a pass this generation.

bviktor said,
Except you'll have to do that "decent upgrade" every other year on your PC...

How so? Doesn't stop working on a yearly basis, get a few years out of a good upgrade easily.

Max Norris said,

How so? Doesn't stop working on a yearly basis, get a few years out of a good upgrade easily.

Coz playing at low-res and low details is so much fun.

bviktor said,
Coz playing at low-res and low details is so much fun.

Sorry, but a blanket "system sucks" comment isn't going to hold up.. some of my systems here for example haven't been upgraded in several years, and they still game just fine, even with high details/resolution. Besides.. you're going to have to upgrade that console every couple of years as well, never mind it'll eventually stop getting new titles. Tossing the hardware and all the games away every couple of years or become obsolete? No thanks, I'll stick to smallish upgrades every couple of years.

bviktor said,
New consoles come much less frequently, but you're of course free to ignore this fact.

I didn't ignore it.. I even mentioned it, and thanks to being less frequent, it goes through a larger period of being behind the times.

So, are you for real saying 500$ is enough for 8 years to make your PC remain capable of running ANY PC game at highest details? FURSURE.

bviktor said,
So, are you for real saying 500$ is enough for 8 years to make your PC remain capable of running ANY PC game at highest details? FURSURE.

Highest? Depends on the game, some sure, some of course not. But don't try and tell me an 8 year old console will keep up with a PC that's up to date either, plus you've zero upgrade options, and once that console's retired, that's it. Investment in both hardware and software typically lost. Meanwhile I upgrade a part or two, and I keep on going plus I still get access to a crapton of games from before. Easy choice.

Nope, you're assuming the old console becomes bricked and totally useless once the new one's out, which is obviously not the case. You'll have all the previous consoles and you can pick any of them at any time. If you do small upgrades on your PC, you'll always have just one PC with some extra unused parts.

As for upgrades, you also obviously fail to see the point. The point is, you DON'T just upgrade all the time because you don't have to. You upgrade ONCE after those several years.

And no, don't act like you don't have to do a full revamp on the PC after a few years. Eventually you'll have to replace the mainboard and at that point, pretty much every major component will need to replaced as well (new CPU socket, new RAM bank, new disk interfaces, incremental upgrades much?).

bviktor said,
Nope, you're assuming the old console becomes bricked and totally useless once the new one's out, which is obviously not the case.

I didn't say they were bricked. But if you don't want to ever play a new game again, then yea, sticking with old consoles are fine I guess. If thats your preference, can probably buy a dinosaur off of eBay for cheap.

bviktor said,
As for upgrades, you also obviously fail to see the point. The point is, you DON'T just upgrade all the time because you don't have to. You upgrade ONCE after those several years.

What's the point you're making here? It's almost identical to the PC, either you upgrade or you don't.. except you still get new games.

bviktor said,
incremental upgrades much?

Yup, last complete PC I've built for myself from scratch was about 12 years ago thanks, know all about it. But thanks for pointing out the basics, even if it's not entirely 100% accurate.

Cool story bro, so does that Pentium 4 still run fine? Or have you just managed to force that i3 into a Socket 478? Oh sorry, OF COURSE you can do that.

Incremental upgrades doesn't mean you have to toss the entire thing in one shot, "bro." I can point out some good tutorial sites if you're having problems with a search engine.

Max Norris said,
Incremental upgrades doesn't mean you have to toss the entire thing in one shot, "bro." I can point out some good tutorial sites if you're having problems with a search engine.

Once again, cool story bro. Then please "incrementally" upgrade my Socket A mobo with something current without replacing any other, incompatible part.

bviktor said,
Once again, cool story bro.

Reading comprehension problems, or just intentionally being a dumbass? Processor, motherboard, maybe memory. Most likely can keep the rest of it if you wanted to keep it cheap, depends on what you had in there before. Next time around maybe upgrade the video card. (Or are you intentionally picking an antique that only has a PCI slot just to drag this out more?) Feel like ditching the old IDE's for some SATA? Add a new controller. Incremental upgrade. Going anywhere with this or just being argumentative for giggles, "bro"?

Ohh come be serious guys, don't you remember the previous launch prices. This is the same as the PS3 when released.

£30 more then I thought it would be. TBH I don't see the PS4 much cheaper, like 399 or so.

Silver47 said,
Ohh come be serious guys, don't you remember the previous launch prices. This is the same as the PS3 when released.

£30 more then I thought it would be. TBH I don't see the PS4 much cheaper, like 399 or so.

It's not actually the price that annoys me, it's the fact that the prices are $499, 499Euro and £425. Just doesn't work.

Silver47 said,
Ohh come be serious guys, don't you remember the previous launch prices. This is the same as the PS3 when released.

£30 more then I thought it would be. TBH I don't see the PS4 much cheaper, like 399 or so.

yeah I do remember. £60 was considerably cheaper. Pretty sure I got the 360 with a couple of games for around £300. This price is absurd for an incremental upgrade offered. that's not even taking into account all the crap you would have to put up with like no used games/always online.

the better twin said,
yeah I do remember. £60 was considerably cheaper. Pretty sure I got the 360 with a couple of games for around £300. This price is absurd for an incremental upgrade offered. that's not even taking into account all the crap you would have to put up with like no used games/always online.

The 360 was £280 so loads cheaper than this crap. Plus the 360 had state of the art hardware with a triple core processor and a GPU that was ahead of its time. This has a laptop CPU with a graphics card straight out of 2012.
Oh right I'm paying for a device I don't want or need.

Silver47 said,
Ohh come be serious guys, don't you remember the previous launch prices. This is the same as the PS3 when released.

Actually, the PS3 was $599; $100 more than the Xbox One in America, but surprisingly £4 less here in the UK.

mattacular said,

The 360 was £280 so loads cheaper than this crap. Plus the 360 had state of the art hardware with a triple core processor and a GPU that was ahead of its time. This has a laptop CPU with a graphics card straight out of 2012.
Oh right I'm paying for a device I don't want or need.

The 360 had a low end GPU when it came out. Look it up. And even so it can play games today that require high end PC's. You can't compare console hardware to PC hardware. Even if they are the same the actual experience is vastly different.

archer75 said,

The 360 had a low end GPU when it came out. Look it up. And even so it can play games today that require high end PC's. You can't compare console hardware to PC hardware. Even if they are the same the actual experience is vastly different.


A low end GPU? That is not true at all it was quite high end for its time with unique architecture. http://www.anandtech.com/show/1719/7

archer75 said,

The 360 had a low end GPU when it came out. Look it up. And even so it can play games today that require high end PC's. You can't compare console hardware to PC hardware. Even if they are the same the actual experience is vastly different.

I think youre remembering wrong. There was nothing low-end about the 360 GPU. It was a custom build that had many features found in graphics cards today.

Bear in mind there will also be import duties which are separate from the 20% VAT we have in the UK which could be perhaps 4-6%.

It is unfortunate that US companies are rape specialists when it comes to charging their customers in Europe and beyond.

whoreman said,
Bear in mind there will also be import duties which are separate from the 20% VAT we have in the UK which could be perhaps 4-6%.

It is unfortunate that US companies are rape specialists when it comes to charging their customers in Europe and beyond.

yes. Because the companies totally decide the import tax.

As a parent there is no chance what so ever I would ever pay this much for a video game console EVER. I am sure most families in the USA feel the same way.

CaptainBeno said,
As a parent there is no chance what so ever I would ever pay this much for a video game console EVER. I am sure most families in the USA feel the same way.

hardly, I see parents who have 3-4 ipads in their house, 2 iphones, a 60" tv, a 300.00 bd player..

499 is a fair price point and you get a lot of machine for that price.

spudtrooper said,

hardly, I see parents who have 3-4 ipads in their house, 2 iphones, a 60" tv, a 300.00 bd player..

499 is a fair price point and you get a lot of machine for that price.

Agreed, I know plenty of folks that have bought their kids iPads etc. - but this device with soo much more power and functionality is somehow too much?

Also, inflation anyone? Does no one remember what the 360 and PS3 cost new?

CaptainBeno said,
As a parent there is no chance what so ever I would ever pay this much for a video game console EVER. I am sure most families in the USA feel the same way.

CaptainBeno, I am a parent as well, and if the XONE is released today, I will be heading to the store right now and purchase one. It is all about the numbers (accounting). Don't worry, I have plenty for my kid.

Ha..Ha.. Ha.. Never owned Xbones but thought about it. So without internet people will be paying $500 for DVD player and occasional gaming after purchasing $60 game and when your internet is working. One good reason to stick with PS3 or PS4 as things look better on Sony side. MS continues it corporate suicidal mission. First Windows and now Xbox. Good riddance.

So what did you think eight years ago when people were shelling out $599 for a P.O.S. 3, and that was a great price for a device that you would want to get a second job to buy?

Auditor said,
Ha..Ha.. Ha.. Never owned Xbones but thought about it. So without internet people will be paying $500 for DVD player and occasional gaming after purchasing $60 game and when your internet is working. One good reason to stick with PS3 or PS4 as things look better on Sony side. MS continues it corporate suicidal mission. First Windows and now Xbox. Good riddance.

PS4 will be 499 or higher too..

StephenBratz said,
So what did you think eight years ago when people were shelling out $599 for a P.O.S. 3, and that was a great price for a device that you would want to get a second job to buy?

I was one of the early adopters of PS3 and paid $499 with one $60 bundled game. Given that was expensive but it has a blue ray player ( which alone cost $200 at that time) and did not render my system useless if my internet connect disrupted. Now with this new Xboner, what are we getting anything substantial except restrictions everywhere. No internet connection, which is reality for many people, it becomes $500 DVD player.

StephenBratz said,
So what did you think eight years ago when people were shelling out $599 for a P.O.S. 3, and that was a great price for a device that you would want to get a second job to buy?

Whats so sh*t about the PS3?
Its a solid system for its generation, just like the 360 is.

Correction, it will be a $500.00 Blu-ray player. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. And just wanted to let you know, if you don't have an Internet, then you will not buy a Xbox. You lack common sense.

the better twin said,
Lolololol Microsoft are jokers.

Agree they expect us to swallow all that restrictive DRM crap and take ownership of games away from us and follow it with a sucker punch of £430. I brought the 360 at launch but there is no way I am getting this monstrosity.

mattacular said,

Agree they expect us to swallow all that restrictive DRM crap and take ownership of games away from us and follow it with a sucker punch of £430. I brought the 360 at launch but there is no way I am getting this monstrosity.
You don't lose ownership. You can transfer it without any fee.

The British pricing of products always astounds me though.

pickypg said,
You don't lose ownership. You can transfer it without any fee.

The British pricing of products always astounds me though.


That's not the point, despite the games coming on a physical disc they are dictating what I can do with said disc. I can no longer lend to friends etc. It is disgraceful and shows that the game industry has learnt nothing from the music and film industries.

mattacular said,

That's not the point, despite the games coming on a physical disc they are dictating what I can do with said disc. I can no longer lend to friends etc. It is disgraceful and shows that the game industry has learnt nothing from the music and film industries.
This shows that the game industry has finally gotten tired of the Gamestops-of-the-world not sharing profits from the huge used game industry while also taking chunks of the profits from the initial sale as well. Also, games on the Xbox One--at least--are launching on disc and digitally at the same time.

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license

You can also loan games to friends, and particularly family.

There is no cost to us to sell our games, but I suspect that the program setup to enable resale gives everyone else a cut of used game profits rather than the current one-sided nature of it. Similarly, you can still loan your game to a friend.

In short, with the above link in mind, I see nothing really changing in how I operate except a required, always on connection that I had already reluctantly accepted from the [few] PC games that I play already. Frankly, while I am as paranoid as the rest of those that worry about their internet connection, I am far more upset when my internet connection goes down than anything else. That it is effectively required is the least of my worries.

This is the nature, and the so-called trap, of the digital (cloud) era.

Edited by pickypg, Jun 10 2013, 8:44pm :

pickypg said,
This shows that the game industry has finally gotten tired of the Gamestops-of-the-world not sharing profits from the huge used game industry.....

So I take it you would never buy a second hand car from the myriad of used car dealers, and lets just make all those Gamestop employees redundant while we are at it.

Depicus said,
So I take it you would never buy a second hand car from the myriad of used car dealers, and lets just make all those Gamestop employees redundant while we are at it.
Not if I can turn around and buy the same, brand new car for just [proportionately] $5-10 more than the used one. I would much rather support the manufacturer than my local car dealer.

Also, I didn't realize that Gamestop employees only existed to push overpriced used games onto consumers for the pure profit of Gamestop, as though they did not have the another side of their business. If so, then good riddance.

I doubt that the game manufacturers would take much issue with the likes of Gamestop if they were not giving some pitiful amount of money to the seller, and then selling the used version for a few dollars less than the new one. It becomes a no-brainer to buy the used version, particularly shortly after launch, and Gamestop takes the difference as nearly pure profit, plus most likely the original sale's retail profit margin, while no one else gets a cut of the former, which is the largest profit margin.

I was really hoping they would stick with $399. I'm sure right now most people are saying "No way that's too expensive!", but when Xmas rolls around everyone will still get one.

It's exactly what I had expected it to be launched at because the Xbox 360 launched at $400 eight years ago, and the PS3 launched at $500 seven years ago. With inflation and the added hardware (Kinect, as well as the cost they will tack on for Xbox Live servers), I think that we were all hoping for it to be cheaper--who wouldn't want it to be--but I think we all seriously expected this price point.

Where this may be a mistake is if, or when, Sony is able to launch for less than $500. I think that it was a mistake for MS to announce before Sony because MS can afford to take a deeper cut than Sony can in profit lost on hardware. With that said, if their home integration is as good as I hope it to be, then MS may see a significant drop in attachment rate this generation, which means that they cannot take as big of a loss on hardware (because it may never be repaid by a significant number of people).

500$ is what i expected. I think the price is right not a problem to me (unless the PS4 is cheaper of course but Sony doesn't have the guts to do that).

M_Lyons10 said,
The price point is too high, particularly given all of the negatives...

The initial sales will be to the hardcore gamers and XBox fans. I doubt that a lot of non-hardcore gamers will be buying either the XB1 or PS4.

I understand and even expect maybe to pay a little more than the American audience in the UK, but we're paying a lot closer to the equivalent of $699 in the UK. I would hate to see what the price down under will be.

LMAO. I wont be leaving my 360 anytime soon. Im a cord cutter now and was thinking about getting this for the TV aspect (OTA) but no way.

Granted I find it unlikely that they PS4 will be priced above the XBO, but with no information from them about pricing, or their stance on DRM, would it not be better to wait and see their keynote then make a decision? Even then, things can change between now and when these consoles hit the shelves, so it would be best to wait until then to make an actual decision.

/Personally I hope that Sony undercuts MS by quite a fair margin, it might push MS to lower the price. I also hope Sony does not implement any asinine DRM schemes and makes a big show of it, it might push MS to back off on their DRM. That way the consumers win no matter which console they get

Looking at the console hardware, the XBO looks like it's cheaper (cheaper GFX and ram). However the Xbox One includes the Kinect which will add extra to the cost. This suggests to me that the consoles will be roughly the same price as Microsoft have the confidence to include the Kinect and Sony have the confidence to add more powerful hardware. Where I can see Sony save cash is in the storage, it doesn't have to install games to the HD so they could release one with very minimal storage. 500GB PS3 for £400 or 10GB for £350.

Edited by Gaffney, Jun 10 2013, 6:37pm :

Spicoli said,
Fail what? It's pretty much exactly what everyone expected it to be priced.

I didn't expect it to be £429, i expected it to be £399.

They didn't say if these prices included tax or not, so I doubt they do.
So UK price will be £515 with VAT if it's excluded.

Why would they announce the price with VAT excluded? $599 to pounds is £321 add 20% VAT it's £385, I think it's really silly they have added an extra £44. I'm disappointed in the price I was looking for it to be around £300 and it looks like the PS4 will be at the very most just slightly cheaper.

Gaffney said,
Why would they announce the price with VAT excluded? $599 to pounds is £321 add 20% VAT it's £385, I think it's really silly they have added an extra £44.

$599 isn't £321, $499 is though. And why include vat on the UK price if the US price doesn't include VAT?

n_K said,

$599 isn't £321, $499 is though. And why include vat on the UK price if the US price doesn't include VAT?

In US, VAT is typically not included in the price because it can be different from state to state (some state have no sales tax) and can even vary county to county. In UK, pretty much all prices are advertised with VAT.

In Texas at 8.25% on tax roughly, we're looking at $541. Still pretty far from the $667 USD the UK is looking at, but that was to be expected. (not that you guys can't be angry, I'd be mad too)

That price? How great it is? You kidding me? Microsoft should be paying me 199€ each month in order to have this in my room/living room.

Hear that?


That is the sound of a load of Brits going "Are you f***ing serious?!"


The ball's in Sony's court now. If they steer away from Microsoft's game licensing and used game policies, and keep the PS4 price under £400 (hopefully under £350), the generation's theirs.

Yupp, me exactly. I knew it would be around £400 though, all my friends kept saying it would be £300 at the most but it was never going to be so I'm out, or at least will be until I can get a second hand one reasonably cheap.

MightyJordan said,

The ball's in Sony's court now. If they steer away from Microsoft's game licensing and used game policies, and keep the PS4 price under £400 (hopefully under £350), the generation's theirs.

Why woud they do that? They're all about making money, so of course they'll consider the DRM, Internet-connected options. I'd be surprised if they didn't.

MightyJordan said,
Hear that?


That is the sound of a load of Brits going "Are you f***ing serious?!"


The ball's in Sony's court now. If they steer away from Microsoft's game licensing and used game policies, and keep the PS4 price under £400 (hopefully under £350), the generation's theirs.

No doubt the UK price includes Tax while US price does not.

briangw said,

Why woud they do that? They're all about making money, so of course they'll consider the DRM, Internet-connected options. I'd be surprised if they didn't.


Uhm, Sony has always been very supportive of an open console.
I know its weird and very unlike Sony to be so, but the Playstation Division is NOT run like other Sony divisions and the guy who ran it always been stubborn in a good way
Remember the PSX? It was legal to 'crack' it so you could play foreign games (and copied ones).
This was still legal at PS2 launch, although within a few months. Sony dropped this. But this was very understandable, the piracy was insane on the PSX and PS2. They didn't really had another choice.
OtherOS was pointless, it couldn't harness a single bit from the PS3's strength.
And the PS3 isn't region locked. Its the publishers decision. This will most likely not change. Few publishers take use of this anyways, even EA games are often region free.

If they don't use this 'region lockdown' already, why would it change for the PS4?
It isn't going to be stricter, and I'm sure they are aware of the outrage to the X1 regarding this, and are also aware this will be a major advantage they can use, especially outside the US market.

MightyJordan said,
Hear that?


That is the sound of a load of Brits going "Are you f***ing serious?!"


The ball's in Sony's court now. If they steer away from Microsoft's game licensing and used game policies, and keep the PS4 price under £400 (hopefully under £350), the generation's theirs.


Are you on minimum wage, or something?

Shiranui said,
Are you on minimum wage, or something?

No, I'm on even less than that; a student loan. Your point being...? £429 is an appalling price for a games console, especially when the previous Microsoft console was £279.99. You can put together a half-decent gaming PC for £429 which would do more and play more.

The PS4's £349 price tag isn't much of an improvement, either. I'm definitely not gonna be a day one buyer, unless by some miracle, I can pre-order it for less than £300.

MightyJordan said,

No, I'm on even less than that; a student loan. Your point being...? £429 is an appalling price for a games console, especially when the previous Microsoft console was £279.99. You can put together a half-decent gaming PC for £429 which would do more and play more.

The PS4's £349 price tag isn't much of an improvement, either. I'm definitely not gonna be a day one buyer, unless by some miracle, I can pre-order it for less than £300.

Forget games and focus on your studies (hope it's not media studies), graduate with a 2:1 and get a decent job. £429 will soon cease to be so appalling.

Unless you're a Sys Admin making below "typical pay rates" cause you live in a rural part of the state, have four kids, a wife who doesn't make much at her job, and has $50,000 in school loans to pay back.

Not that I'm bitter or anything....

My only loan is my mortgage. I make well above minimum wage in my province and I still think it's appalling. Not to mention the games themselves are f-ing ludicrous. I won't be getting into the next gen. After my original PS3 died, I bought another and have since regretted it. I haven't had the time to put in that justifies the purchase like I did the first time around. When I can pick up one for $199 like my second PS3, I may consider it.