Microsoft shows new Windows Phone 7 build

According to Engadget, Microsoft has shown off the newest build of Windows Phone 7, which has some minor changes but shows how the Mobile OS is coming along. Long Zheng has photos from a Tech Ed event in North America this week that show how well the build has progressed since MIX in April of this year.

The biggest difference is a more compact lock screen - with smaller, subtler text for the time and date. Also, some of the tiles have been updated with new designs and icons - namely Outlook and Marketplace, so they stand out more.

Long goes on to point out that the build looks much more "feature complete" and that it was more responsive in the demonstration than previous builds had been - as this is expected with a product nearing release. Microsoft also announced this week that it would deliver actual prototype devices to developers "very soon".

Windows Phone 7 was announced at Mobile World Congress in February and is the highly anticipated successor to the Windows Mobile mobile OS - they announced that Windows Phone 7 would be available by "holiday season 2010", and that Microsoft would essentially be taking a break from the mobile market until then. Windows Phone 7 was built "from the ground up" and the UI has changed, as well as the underlaying code of the OS. 

The gallery below shows off some of the new updates and progress in the latest build. You can view more over at Long's Flickr.

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i love microsofts epic fail at proportioning to the screen with slides over lapping and lack of used space etc. MetroUI isn't for phones, microsoft keep demoing why.

Digitalx said,
i love microsofts epic fail at proportioning to the screen with slides over lapping and lack of used space etc. MetroUI isn't for phones, microsoft keep demoing why.

Didn't you know that text over lapping is sort of the idea...

In the end it is all about User preference and Style. I think it looks a little slick. Sure the off screen text might throw people but I'm sure you'll get used to it. The Zune products have been known for there great UI, so if they are using any of the design team for Windows Phone 7 then I think they will find their nitch. You cannot say they are not thinking different or being creative at least.

My only issue which I read in another article is that they are deliberately not going to have cut and paste. I say yuck, but I'm curious how that will work out or if the solve it in another way...

the problem is that nothing seems to be set in stone, its still developing, i still cant figure out how to say open an application on wm7

still should be interesting...........should really have come out on the htc hd2 as an update, darn rules about buttons! yet why htc came out with the hd2 on windows mobile is another mystery.

I do like how MS have made a unique UI for a smartphone unlike all the others who pretty much copy each other. It's a big risk for MS to take though, not sure if people will enjoy it.

I'm keeping an open mind. But my wallet will stay tightly shut.

Microsoft call it windows phone 7, but really it's clearly a version 1.0 product.

It's different. Microsoft had to try something new, they couldn't really continue with windows mobile 6.5; apparently. I guess it's lacking the very features that Microsoft gave Apple grief about. Now they have a new product, it looks fresh but without releasing windows phone 7 without copy and paste, multitasking will likely hurt sales, and Microsoft can hardly afford that. IMHO.

Some of you want to hate the Mobile OS before you even tried it because why?

In regards to Multiasking why aren't you bashing the IPHONE 2, 3G, 3GS and even iOS4 for not truly multitasking? Fan boy much?

MS Exchange functions for the most part but not in the complete way that will make it a corporate mainstay yet. Calender syncing is functional. Please get the facts correct on that.
Third party apps can take care of corporate users for now or Froyo 2.2 will help with that natively. Mostly security(PIN and Remote Wipe) are the updates.

Hotmail support is not like WM 6.x or WP7 which supports folders, sync, etc. Current Android supports only POP accounts for certain free older Hotmail accounts and paid accounts. IPHONE has only the same support. They do have third party apps that can sync hotmail like WM 6.x and WP7.

The UI is unique and to some it may present something too different from their boxed experience to appreciate. If you have not used a ZUNE HD then you don't know the real experience. It is a nice fluid flow of information.
Zune was not a failure in the sense of the player or the Software. Microsoft has another plan for it me thinks. They didn't release it to outside markets for some reason. But it will be the standard player for all WP7 devices which will sell world wide. Not sure of that strategy just yet. Numbers don't always tell all about a devices successes or failures.

Open up your minds to change and you will appreciate what MS is doing. You can say its too late for MS but I am sure they will have you eating your words on that one. The same people who said that XBOX was dead are also eating their words. MS is a turtle in this race but I can promise you they will cross the finish line with WM7.


mrmomoman said,

In regards to Multiasking why aren't you bashing the IPHONE 2, 3G, 3GS and even iOS4 for not truly multitasking? Fan boy much?

Hum people did bash the iphone a lot for not having true multitasking

I'd really like to see just one screenshot of the homescreen sporting something other than the default blue boxes. I know it's capable of other looks, but EVERY screenshot in the history of EVER has just shown that blue, which is not a look I'd be leaving in place.

Joshie said,
I'd really like to see just one screenshot of the homescreen sporting something other than the default blue boxes. I know it's capable of other looks, but EVERY screenshot in the history of EVER has just shown that blue, which is not a look I'd be leaving in place.

I've seen shots with orange and red. They should be out there, just do a quick search.

Yeah. Rough time finding them with Google, but they were in the first page of results with Bing image search, lol. Kapow.

But the colors are one thing. I'd really love to see it with a wallpaper graphic behind them. Just something to kind of, you know, wake it up.

I think it'd look really fantastic with the tiles just slightly transparent over a wallpaper of choice. Would definitely do a lot to improve opinion for people who can't be bothered to look at anything but screenshots.

Am I the only one who does not need, want, nor crave social networking in a mobile device? From the looks of this and its Social Networking features and no word on disabling/hiding them, this device is not for me and that means I have to change platforms as I've been a WinMo user for years (I'll be in the market for a new mobile within a year).

Once I hear/see that this social networking **** can be disabled, I'll look more seriously at it.

zeke009 said,
Am I the only one who does not need, want, nor crave social networking in a mobile device? From the looks of this and its Social Networking features and no word on disabling/hiding them, this device is not for me and that means I have to change platforms as I've been a WinMo user for years (I'll be in the market for a new mobile within a year).

Once I hear/see that this social networking **** can be disabled, I'll look more seriously at it.

Who said it can't be "disabled"? Just don't add your FB/My Space or twitter account to the info (I figure you have a Live account/ID though). IF you don't ADD them the phone won't get the info from them. No one says you HAVE to use them. It can just as well just use your outlook contacts and so on.

zeke009 said,
Am I the only one who does not need, want, nor crave social networking in a mobile device? From the looks of this and its Social Networking features and no word on disabling/hiding them, this device is not for me and that means I have to change platforms as I've been a WinMo user for years (I'll be in the market for a new mobile within a year).

Once I hear/see that this social networking **** can be disabled, I'll look more seriously at it.


You know you don't have to add Facebook/MySpace/whatever, right?

lordcanti86 said,

You know you don't have to add Facebook/MySpace/whatever, right?

GP007 said,
Who said it can't be "disabled"? Just don't add your FB/My Space or twitter account to the info (I figure you have a Live account/ID though). IF you don't ADD them the phone won't get the info from them. No one says you HAVE to use them. It can just as well just use your outlook contacts and so on.

I'm talking about the tiles and panels. WinMo of old was easy to edit and customize your homescreen however you wanted. New Windows Phone is locked down and standardized across all handsets (apparently). So what does that mean for panels/tiles? Without more info on customizing the interface (either disabling or hiding panels) this is not a platform I want. It took Apple a few years before people could reorganize those icons. This customer needs more info on what can be disabled and removed before considering it. Do I want empty tiles clogging up some "slide" on my homescreen because I am not a social network user? Not a chance.

Death to iTunes! I am so much happier with the Zune software and hope it works with WM7. Waiting for Gaming Xbox Live integrated. If there is one thing I hate more than the small screen of the iPhone and iPod Touch its the extremely small screen of the Zune HD. Lets hope they go for the 4.3inch. I say bring it! If you don't like it don't buy it. Also Touch Screen gaming kills real-estate on those great screens. Wish they had optional keyboard.

ramonsjc said,
Death to iTunes! I am so much happier with the Zune software and hope it works with WM7. Waiting for Gaming Xbox Live integrated. If there is one thing I hate more than the small screen of the iPhone and iPod Touch its the extremely small screen of the Zune HD. Lets hope they go for the 4.3inch. I say bring it! If you don't like it don't buy it. Also Touch Screen gaming kills real-estate on those great screens. Wish they had optional keyboard.

Umm you know they do have "optional keyboards"? Some WinPhones will have slide-out keyboards, some won't. And some will have large screens (maybe 4.3 inch, who knows) while some will have smaller screens. It's not one single device, it's more like the Android devices in that way.

ramonsjc said,
Death to iTunes! I am so much happier with the Zune software and hope it works with WM7. Waiting for Gaming Xbox Live integrated. If there is one thing I hate more than the small screen of the iPhone and iPod Touch its the extremely small screen of the Zune HD. Lets hope they go for the 4.3inch. I say bring it! If you don't like it don't buy it. Also Touch Screen gaming kills real-estate on those great screens. Wish they had optional keyboard.

The Zune software is how you'll sync media to your WP7 device, so ya that's already been shown. Also you can sync more than one phone or ZuneHD at the same time as well. I also expect some very nice updates for Zune 5.0.

As much as I was excited for this, they're taking forever for it to come out and I'm losing interest. Also it's an app world out there and this won't have anywhere near the amount to lure potential buyers, not to mention that most buyers will likely already have a contract and wont want to pay full price for a new phone with less expandability via apps.

I'm hoping they do well but it's such a gamble to wait and see for potential buyers.

Redestium said,
I'm hoping they do well but it's such a gamble to wait and see for potential buyers.

It is a gamble and I'm one of those on the "wait and see" lists. My contract is up so can switch phones/carriers at any point however I don't like the iPhone, Android doesn't have the features/apps I need (from what I can tell. Exchange integration, Hotmail support etc.) but then again I'm not sure WinMo 7 will be to my liking either as I read somewhere device manufacturers aren't allowed to have keyboards on WinMo 7 devices and I hate onscreen keyboards. Much prefer actual slide out keyboards. I'd love if they put WinMo 7 on a phone like the droid.

Hackersoft MS MVP said,

It is a gamble and I'm one of those on the "wait and see" lists. My contract is up so can switch phones/carriers at any point however I don't like the iPhone, Android doesn't have the features/apps I need (from what I can tell. Exchange integration, Hotmail support etc.) but then again I'm not sure WinMo 7 will be to my liking either as I read somewhere device manufacturers aren't allowed to have keyboards on WinMo 7 devices and I hate onscreen keyboards. Much prefer actual slide out keyboards. I'd love if they put WinMo 7 on a phone like the droid.

There will be at least two with physical keyboards... This one from Dell:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/0...s-phone-7-device-leaks-out/

...and, most likely, this one from LG:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/0...arly-packaging-to-be-dubbe/

Hackersoft MS MVP said,

It is a gamble and I'm one of those on the "wait and see" lists. My contract is up so can switch phones/carriers at any point however I don't like the iPhone, Android doesn't have the features/apps I need (from what I can tell. Exchange integration, Hotmail support etc.) but then again I'm not sure WinMo 7 will be to my liking either as I read somewhere device manufacturers aren't allowed to have keyboards on WinMo 7 devices and I hate onscreen keyboards. Much prefer actual slide out keyboards. I'd love if they put WinMo 7 on a phone like the droid.

Where did you read that Android doesn't have Exchange support? Also, where did you read that Android doesn't have Hotmail support? Also, I have to ask, you know how to read? Lol. I think that should answer that.

UndergroundWire said,

Where did you read that Android doesn't have Exchange support? Also, where did you read that Android doesn't have Hotmail support? Also, I have to ask, you know how to read? Lol. I think that should answer that.

Android doesn't have full Exchange support yet. The Exchange calendar DOWNLOADS to an Android phone, but you can't create new appointments and sync those with Exchange. That's a HUGE issue for corporations/business users. Froyo 2.2 is adding full Exchange support though, I believe.

andrewbares said,

Android doesn't have full Exchange support yet. The Exchange calendar DOWNLOADS to an Android phone, but you can't create new appointments and sync those with Exchange. That's a HUGE issue for corporations/business users. Froyo 2.2 is adding full Exchange support though, I believe.

Interesting since I have the Droid Incredible I can create appointments that show up on my exchange. I can also setup an out of office message from my phone. That is why I ditched my Blackberry for an Android phone. More fun features without losing the corporate features.

Are we sure we know what we are talking about?

UndergroundWire said,

Interesting since I have the Droid Incredible I can create appointments that show up on my exchange. I can also setup an out of office message from my phone. That is why I ditched my Blackberry for an Android phone. More fun features without losing the corporate features.

Are we sure we know what we are talking about?

I've ran Android 2.1 on my Touch Pro 2, and the appointments I created didn't sync. Maybe I didn't configure that right, but I'm quite sure I did. I'll look at it again next time I boot to Android. That issue is basically the only thing I didn't like about Android!

Redestium said,
As much as I was excited for this, they're taking forever for it to come out and I'm losing interest. Also it's an app world out there and this won't have anywhere near the amount to lure potential buyers, not to mention that most buyers will likely already have a contract and wont want to pay full price for a new phone with less expandability via apps.

I'm hoping they do well but it's such a gamble to wait and see for potential buyers.

Why would apps be a problem exactly? There's a huge .NET and Silverlight dev community out there already, and WP7 will only make it bigger. Also anyone who's worked with Silverlight can tell you how easy and quick it is to make or port a app. I expect lots of the iPhone apps will get ported to WP7 (but look better thanks to silverlight).

When devs can make a whole game in around 3 weeks using XNA or apps with Silverlight that look way better than anything else on other phones I think the number of apps on the marketplace won't have any problem growing fast.

darkfanar said,
can't wait tell this released it's going to take long time i already canceled iphone for this >.<

Mean time , you can buy a KIN. It's no different than WP7 :-)

ilev said,

Mean time , you can buy a KIN. It's no different than WP7 :-)

Like I said above. You're a complete idiot and have no idea what you're talking about. KIN is not WP7.

I personally like the style, its something fresh and different from Android and iOS
but honestly Microsoft needs to get this together and keep the images closed down to raise the hype. Right now Android and iOS 4 are pretty darn good feature wise. Microsoft can not afford to have a lackluster reentry into this market. Feature wise I hope this is up to par if not better than what Android and iOS have now was very decent advertising. or else its too little too late for them. I am confident this will succeed only if they innovate really darn well

gamestargrinder said,
I personally like the style, its something fresh and different from Android and iOS
but honestly Microsoft needs to get this together and keep the images closed down to raise the hype. Right now Android and iOS 4 are pretty darn good feature wise. Microsoft can not afford to have a lackluster reentry into this market. Feature wise I hope this is up to par if not better than what Android and iOS have now was very decent advertising. or else its too little too late for them. I am confident this will succeed only if they innovate really darn well

TBH, Hype will happen anyway, MS doesn't need to turn into Apple

Owen Williams said,

TBH, Hype will happen anyway, MS doesn't need to turn into Apple

true it will happen, but basically Microsoft needs to show and produce something amazing here. They cannot afford for this to fail in my opinion. I am really excited for this and just hope they come up with something to compete against the other 2 and it needs to be advertised. Thats one of the biggies for me, I have never seen a Zune ad and a lot of my friends barely know what a Zune is, some think its another type of "ipod" hehe

gamestargrinder said,

true it will happen, but basically Microsoft needs to show and produce something amazing here. They cannot afford for this to fail in my opinion. I am really excited for this and just hope they come up with something to compete against the other 2 and it needs to be advertised. Thats one of the biggies for me, I have never seen a Zune ad and a lot of my friends barely know what a Zune is, some think its another type of "ipod" hehe

Kinda hard to keep "hype" and images locked down when they're going to be sending out dev phones to people in July.

And I have no doubt that MS will advertise the heck out of WP7, they never did anything for Zune but that's a different story.

GP007 said,

Kinda hard to keep "hype" and images locked down when they're going to be sending out dev phones to people in July.

And I have no doubt that MS will advertise the heck out of WP7, they never did anything for Zune but that's a different story.

There were numerous TV spots and newspaper ads for it, you shmuck. Just because some Starbucks-residing snotty college kid isn't holding one in his hands talking about all the amazing things you can do with it doesn't mean it wasn't advertised.

Owen Williams said,

Huh?

Forget it man, some people are stuck thinking the mobile market is some race that has a finish line or some set deadline. And that shackled to the core bit makes no sense to me either.

GP007 said,

Forget it man, some people are stuck thinking the mobile market is some race that has a finish line or some set deadline.

Do you mean MS and Ballmer that dropped the ball after becoming the dominant player in the market?

thealexweb said,
To little to late MS this new build is just as shackled to the core as the last.

Shackled to what core? Windows Phone 7 uses Windows CE 7 for its core. Please, don't speak unless you've got something useful to contribute.

You guys do realise that alot of the android phones made by htc have htcs stuff ontop right? So you have to compaire to htc. Also i am sure htc will have their own ui ontop of windows 7 phones also

majortom1981 said,
You guys do realise that alot of the android phones made by htc have htcs stuff ontop right? So you have to compaire to htc. Also i am sure htc will have their own ui ontop of windows 7 phones also
Nope. They won't. Because MS has forbidden it.

Which is probably a good thing.

Silverskull said,
Nope. They won't. Because MS has forbidden it.

Which is probably a good thing.

It is a good thing, we don't need shells on top of the OS slowing things down. We also don't need crapware running in the background using up resorces and battery so power users can get their "multitasking" hardon. How long does your Android last before it needs a recharge? what? 1 day? lolz These are SmartPHONES. When I take my phone and go somewhere for work or a trip i'm not always looking for a power outlet to charge it, that's just plain sad.

And 98% of the apps out there don't need to run in the background anyways.

By the way - once everyone actually tries the horizontal and vertical scrolling in concert, you will see the beauty of it and won't mind the text scrolling off screen as a visual queue.

reactionary007 said,
By the way - once everyone actually tries the horizontal and vertical scrolling in concert, you will see the beauty of it and won't mind the text scrolling off screen as a visual queue.

No one really minds that you know. Ignore the 2 or 3 bitter trolls who understand the concept but just want to moan about it because they have nothing better to do with their lives.

You guys will feel so dumb when this comes out. Microsoft has a quality os here and a real contender to the smart-phone market.

micro said,
You guys will feel so dumb when this comes out. Microsoft has a quality os here and a real contender to the smart-phone market.

Right...... They already said it will not support multiprocessing, no copy/cut and paste, and it will have a limited access of apps... so what is so innovative here?
They used the Zune OS by sourcing it over for the mobile phone hardware without adding the needed features that nowadays smart-phones have and require.
They could have at least taken care of the GUI and made it customizable, so that people can tune it to their own preference.

Microsoft is late to the party again, and is way behind in features and looks from the Android 2.1 and iOS 4

Euphoria said,

Right...... They already said it will not support multiprocessing, no copy/cut and paste, and it will have a limited access of apps... so what is so innovative here?
They used the Zune OS by sourcing it over for the mobile phone hardware without adding the needed features that nowadays smart-phones have and require.
They could have at least taken care of the GUI and made it customizable, so that people can tune it to their own preference.

Microsoft is late to the party again, and is way behind in features and looks from the Android 2.1 and iOS 4


It has multitasking, just not how you want it, and it has copy and paste where appropriate. Please fact check before you attack things.

Owen Williams said,

It has multitasking, just not how you want it, and it has copy and paste where appropriate. Please fact check before you attack things.

[url="http://www.tgdaily.com/operati...rt-in-windows-mobile-7";]Microsoft eliminates multitasking support in Windows Mobile 7[/url]

[url="http://www.intomobile.com/2010...ne-7-multitasking.html";]Microsoft clarifies Windows Phone 7 multitasking[/url]

[url="http://www.slashgear.com/windo...x-integration-0673062/";]Windows Phone 7 details leak: No multitasking, UI lock-down & Zune/Xbox integration?[/url]

[url="http://mobile.blorge.com/2010/...e-7-the-pros-and-cons/";]No multitasking in Windows Mobile 7: the pros and cons[/url]

[url="http://www.zdnet.com/blog/micr...tions-and-answers/5565";]Can Windows Phone 7 multitask (and other Microsoft mobile questions and answers)[/url]

Music in the background is about as far as Win mobile 7 goes about multitasking

Owen Williams said,

It has multitasking, just not how you want it, and it has copy and paste where appropriate. Please fact check before you attack things.

"Appropriate" for whom? You? I have no problem with this but please do not speak for me....
I find "appropriate" the way cut and paste work in 6.5....

micro said,
You guys will feel so dumb when this comes out. Microsoft has a quality os here and a real contender to the smart-phone market.

LOL. Thanks. I needed that today.

Euphoria said,

Right...... They already said it will not support multiprocessing, no copy/cut and paste, and it will have a limited access of apps... so what is so innovative here?

And look how iPhone OS started out on 1.1.1 for example No apps, no copy paste, no multitasking (which still hasn't been publicly released may I add), and for a long time too!

Tom Ferguson said,

And look how iPhone OS started out on 1.1.1 for example No apps, no copy paste, no multitasking (which still hasn't been publicly released may I add), and for a long time too!


Yeah, and that's why I said that they are late to the party and way behind the other competitors. If they truly want to be competitive and get customers other than fanboys they should offer all features or even more than today's mobile phones have.

Euphoria said,

Music in the background is about as far as Win mobile 7 goes about multitasking

well the iphone survived on that for years...
and MS have said things such as multitasking can be built in later on...

Yes, welcome to last year......

Although better than Win Mobile 6.5, they really need to get their **** together and come up with something better.

Oh yeah, please stop trying to fit an oversized title on a smaller screen...

Euphoria said,
Yes, welcome to last year......

Although better than Win Mobile 6.5, they really need to get their **** together and come up with something better.

Oh yeah, please stop trying to fit an oversized title on a smaller screen...


The oversized titles are a feature... they hint there's more off screen

Euphoria said,
Oh yeah, please stop trying to fit an oversized title on a smaller screen...

Yeah, what's up with that? Seems like they're wasting a lot of space with pretty useless junk.

Owen Williams said,

The oversized titles are a feature... they hint there's more off screen

Lol Yes... Quite the feature.
Personally I would rather have everything shown on one screen. Or at least make it customizable, so people have an option if they would like to use that enormous font for title...

Euphoria said,
Yes, welcome to last year......

Although better than Win Mobile 6.5, they really need to get their **** together and come up with something better.

better then an entire new OS built from the ground up to do things (sometimes slightly) different then anything else on the market... Right...

I'm not saying WMP7 is defiantly going to work, but it's pretty ridiculous to me that people think this wasn't a big enough step for Microsoft. It's an entirely new platform with it's own design / UI concept. Far more fluid/visually grabbing (my main problem with "demoing" the phone, it feels very static without the user-specific graphics,and animations) then anything on the market currently.

Is it going to succeed? no idea. Is it better then the iphone/android? No idea... those OSes both have a lot of groundwork laid that Microsoft's going to need to catch up on. Is it something new and a big change from MS's old style and something completely new from them? Yup.

AgentGray said,

better then an entire new OS built from the ground up to do things (sometimes slightly) different then anything else on the market... Right...

They had plenty of time to fine tune the Zune OS into Mobile OS... It's not like they woke up one day and started writing a new OS for the Mobile Phones..

AgentGray said,

better then an entire new OS built from the ground up to do things (sometimes slightly) different then anything else on the market... Right...

I'm not saying WMP7 is defiantly going to work, but it's pretty ridiculous to me that people think this wasn't a big enough step for Microsoft. It's an entirely new platform with it's own design / UI concept. Far more fluid/visually grabbing (my main problem with "demoing" the phone, it feels very static without the user-specific graphics,and animations) then anything on the market currently.

Is it going to succeed? no idea. Is it better then the iphone/android? No idea... those OSes both have a lot of groundwork laid that Microsoft's going to need to catch up on. Is it something new and a big change from MS's old style and something completely new from them? Yup.


Pretty much nailed it. You people need to broaden your vision a bit more..

AgentGray said,

better then an entire new OS built from the ground up to do things (sometimes slightly) different then anything else on the market... Right...

I'm not saying WMP7 is defiantly going to work, but it's pretty ridiculous to me that people think this wasn't a big enough step for Microsoft. It's an entirely new platform with it's own design / UI concept. Far more fluid/visually grabbing (my main problem with "demoing" the phone, it feels very static without the user-specific graphics,and animations) then anything on the market currently.

Is it going to succeed? no idea. Is it better then the iphone/android? No idea... those OSes both have a lot of groundwork laid that Microsoft's going to need to catch up on. Is it something new and a big change from MS's old style and something completely new from them? Yup.

I agree. Microsoft has invested pretty heavily in this new OS. Breaking away from the older OS is a HUGE step for them. Do they now really have to work at this? Yes. Do they need to push regular updates OTA to improve the backend and user experience? Yeah. But I think this is definitely a step in the right direction, and I think a lot of people are going to like it.

AgentGray said,

better then an entire new OS built from the ground up to do things (sometimes slightly) different then anything else on the market... Right...

I'm not saying WMP7 is defiantly going to work, but it's pretty ridiculous to me that people think this wasn't a big enough step for Microsoft. It's an entirely new platform with it's own design / UI concept. Far more fluid/visually grabbing (my main problem with "demoing" the phone, it feels very static without the user-specific graphics,and animations) then anything on the market currently.

Is it going to succeed? no idea. Is it better then the iphone/android? No idea... those OSes both have a lot of groundwork laid that Microsoft's going to need to catch up on. Is it something new and a big change from MS's old style and something completely new from them? Yup.


+1 it's huge progress!

I also agree with the above. With huge changes like this, polish obviously follows in subsequent releases. See what Windows 7 did over Vista, or the later iPhone OS releases over the very first. This release is essential for Microsoft in order to move on.

Euphoria said,
Oh yeah, please stop trying to fit an oversized title on a smaller screen...

You're an idiot. You have to see the videos to see the context as to why they intentionally bleed the title text off the top of the screen.

AgentGray said,

better then an entire new OS built from the ground up to do things (sometimes slightly) different then anything else on the market... Right...

I'm not saying WMP7 is defiantly going to work, but it's pretty ridiculous to me that people think this wasn't a big enough step for Microsoft. It's an entirely new platform with it's own design / UI concept. Far more fluid/visually grabbing (my main problem with "demoing" the phone, it feels very static without the user-specific graphics,and animations) then anything on the market currently.

Is it going to succeed? no idea. Is it better then the iphone/android? No idea... those OSes both have a lot of groundwork laid that Microsoft's going to need to catch up on. Is it something new and a big change from MS's old style and something completely new from them? Yup.

Yes but you neglected to mention that Microsoft did not just came ino the phone business. If anyone should know what they are doing it should be microsoft.

yardman said,

Yes but you neglected to mention that Microsoft did not just came ino the phone business. If anyone should know what they are doing it should be microsoft.

No they didn't, and they do know. It seems people can't think farther ahead more than a few months. WP7 is a long term release, If they follow the cycle Windows does we won't see WP8 till 2012 for example. But that doesn't mean, and MS has said, that updates will be coming to add features (how fast we don't know yet).

The thing everyone forgets is that this OS started 18 months ago when they scrapped the old WM7 which was just a update to WM6.5 and would've been a even bigger mess to work with. I'd like to see all the smartasses around here make a mobile os faster than that and have everything plus the kitchen sink that they keep moaning about in v1.0. Anyone remember Android 1.0? I don't think so.

Owen Williams said,

The oversized titles are a feature... they hint there's more off screen

I wish they port this feature to Windows 8, so you'll have half a document in WORD or half a page in IE10.

ilev said,

I wish they port this feature to Windows 8, so you'll have half a document in WORD or half a page in IE10.

You're a complete idiot. Please stop talking.

Euphoria said,
Yes, welcome to last year......

Although better than Win Mobile 6.5, they really need to get their **** together and come up with something better.

Oh yeah, please stop trying to fit an oversized title on a smaller screen...


Seeing how much love they have been getting for Windows Phone 7 and the Metro UI I don't think they have any need to come up with something better

Owen Williams said,

The oversized titles are a feature... they hint there's more off screen

Something is wrong when people start calling cut text a feature ...

ilev said,

I wish they port this feature to Windows 8, so you'll have half a document in WORD or half a page in IE10.

I think i'll start to ignore resolutions smaller than 1280x1024 when doing web sites. My web sites now will be fixed at 1600 pixels width and people with lower resolutions will consider this a feature since they will know there's more off screen.