Microsoft signs major deal with Dell for Live Search

Microsoft has been seeking to land new OEM search deals with various PC makers (like Lenovo) as a way to grow more quickly its lagging search market share. Not to forget their web search deal with Linspire too.

Mary Jo Foley reports that Microsoft and Dell have signed a deal via which Dell will be shipping new PCs with the Live Search toolbar preinstalled, according to sources familiar with the arrangement between the two companies. Microsoft officials declined to comment on the alleged deal, as did Dell officials. Officials with both companies said they would not comment on "rumors and speculation."

Foley also added that her sources say Microsoft has offered Dell sweet enough terms to entice the PC maker to replace its search-preload deal with Google with a comparable offering from Microsoft. OEM deals are just one way Microsoft is looking to grow its search share.

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i love Fujitsu Siemens computers, their version of restore is one Windows CD/DVD, and one with drivers and applications.
Just install windows, then pop in the drivers and applications cd/dvd, and mark all drivers, no applications.

Then you have windows without crapware:p

This is really no big deal. I know for a fact you can order a Dell PC with a blank hard drive. Everyone who knows this would choose this option and those who dont know any better really wont care.

Not going to work. Dells are allready loaded with a **** load of google stuff (desktop, toolbar etc) which arent compatible with live search. I hope my new XPS dosent have too much **** installed.

When you turn on the PC 1st time and see all of this, just put in the OS DVD and reinstall the OS in like 15 minutes (plain vanilla). Problem solved - even easier than hunt-n-pick with the Uninstallers
If you have a problem of "well I shouldn't have to do this in the first place", there isnt much more to discuss. Its not like it is embedded in the BIOS.

Unfortunately this isn't an option for most people and last I checked Dell still isn't providing the OS disc up front with the computers. I would also expect some missing drivers until you run that "other" disc.

Check again, every Dell comes with restore disks. I've been buying Dells from their site since 2005 and everytime it comes with restore disks.

You'd prefer to have a Google monopoly, or just two players in the market?

Actually, I prefer to have a Google monopoly.

bob_c_b said,
Any monopoly is generally bad.


Agreed. Google is considered this cool hip lil kid by everyone so it seems fashionable to jump on their side and be willing to let Google deflower your new wife, but the reality is a Google monopoly would be very bad for society.

Imagine if Google lost any major competition (MS and Yahoo have the cash resources to keep Google on their toes)... What would stop Google from removing content they didn't care to show (for example a YouTube competitor). They would be able to effectively decide what is online and what isn't since a lot of people take search engines as the gospel of what is online.

aww man, I hate stupid search toolbars in modern browsers. Most include stuff like popup blocking AND a search box.

Looks like Live search being the IE 7/8 default isn't working

smooth_criminal1990 said,
Looks like Live search being the IE 7/8 default isn't working

It's only the default on new PCs, not upgrades. Upgrades keep whatever the old setting was.

(And that is nothing new)

Give it up. Nobody is interested in Live Search. You'd think they would have taken the hint by now. I guess this is the downside of having so much money, always throwing more money at a problem in the belief that it makes a solution.

SniperX said,
Give it up. Nobody is interested in Live Search. You'd think they would have taken the hint by now. I guess this is the downside of having so much money, always throwing more money at a problem in the belief that it makes a solution.

You'd prefer to have a Google monopoly, or just two players in the market?

I use it as my main search provider for quite some time now. And I've found stuff fine. Granted there's that one oddball search that doesn't work right. But that's been a very very rare case for me.

You also have to remember that googles got a bigger lead in their DB over MS, so they get more sites indexed. Just give it more time.

I know OEM's get paid money to install crapware on new pc's but it would be nice to have the option of opting out.

I'd rather have MS stuff across the board, than the HP, Yahoo, Google and AOL hybrid mess of crap that came installed on my new machine. This is good news from my point of view.

And I would rather not have Google, Yahoo, AOL or Microsoft "crap" installed in the first place.

It's like trying to decide which turd smells better. I don't want to smell any poo. :P

I agree, but if there has to be "poo" I would rather it blend in then be some random yahoo pos, plus the wave 3 live is pretty tolerable.

If all you don't like is the toolbar that's one thing, the newer apps are very nice, and the services look good also. If you use those and at the level they interconnect then the toolbar just helps use them faster and easier.

To PC makers:
Stop pre-installing crapware.

To crapware makers (MS, Yahoo, Google, Mcafee, etc):
Stop offering crapware. It does nothing but annoy us and provides an incentive NOT to use your product.

OEMs won't listen to this argument because in their eyes the numbers just aren't there. People complain about bloatware added to OEM PCs, but the fact is the majority of users aren't skilled enough to build their own PC or remove that bloatware.

So you end up with a situation where customers complain to the OEM, but since they all do it the customer continues to buy from them (no OEM incentive to stop as they still get Advertiser dollars and the same user dollars). The advertiser ends up with a nice deal because the majority of those users won't know how to remove the software from the system completely (most people either don't have access to a clean Windows/OS disk or know how to go about formatting in the first place).

Of course I realize I'm in the minority and I'm not expecting OEMs to change their tune any time soon. Just saying that there's even less of an incentive for me now to buy a Dell (among others).