Microsoft takes down Rustock botnet, seizes equipment and files suit

Microsoft has unleashed its legal dragnet in an attempt to take down the Rustock botnet. According to WSJ, the botnet, which consists of approximately 150,000 computers around the globe, is capable of sending 30 billion spam messages a day. 150,000 is the most conservative estimate of its size, and some have measured the amount of infected PCs to be upwards of 24 million. Symantec has measured the botnet to be responsible for more than half of the spam messages in 2010.

Microsoft, with the help of federal law enforcement, seized physical computer equipment believed to be the command and control servers for the botnet. Agents went into facilities in Kansas City, MO,; Scranton, PA,; Denver, CO,; Dallas, TX,; Chicago, IL,; Seattle, WA,; and Columbus, OH to retrieve equipment in an effort to “decapitate” the operation, according to Microsoft officials.

Richard Boscovich, senior attorney in Microsoft’s digital crime unit, said that the operation “has been 100% effective.” After the seizure was complete, Microsoft issued a lawsuit to “John Does 1-11,” as no identities have surfaced as leaders of the botnet as of yet. Symantec reported that Rustock stopped all spam activity at roughly 11:30 PM EST Wednesday evening, just after Microsoft started its operation.

This is not the first time Microsoft has actively and aggressively taken steps to bring down a botnet operation. In February 2010, Microsoft helped take down the similarly huge Waledac botnet.  

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Now all MS need to do is add the crapware to either MSE's database or perhaps the windows malicious software removal tool

Taking down a botnet is good.
Reducing spam is good.
Those 2 *results* are bad only if you benefit from either. Simple logic.

OTOH corp & gov & people for that matter aren't for the most part good OR bad, so the process of taking down the botnet, how it was done, by whom, & how decisions were made should all be looked at. Any ties formed between MS & gov & law enforcement as a result of this op should also IMHO be watched, e.g. does this make it easier for MS to try taking down other servers in the future for different reasons? In that respect it's the same sort of lobbying effort as the MPAA hiring the former sen. Dodd as CEO.

Wish Google would join in already. I still get 100+ spam emails a week to a few accounts that no one could ever guess the user name nor have I ever, not once posted anywhere online.

war said,
Wish Google would join in already. I still get 100+ spam emails a week to a few accounts that no one could ever guess the user name nor have I ever, not once posted anywhere online.

Google's spam filter is excelent in recognising spam mail and directing it to the spam folder. Whenever you post your email address on a forum , site or social network, it is havested by hackers and sold to spam rings. Just Google your email address.

alexalex said,

Google's spam filter is excelent in recognising spam mail and directing it to the spam folder. Whenever you post your email address on a forum , site or social network, it is havested by hackers and sold to spam rings. Just Google your email address.

Yes I know that. But just for the hell of it I searched my private email account and not one hit. Tried google, bling, 37.com, etc. Not 1 result, as expected.

So makes me wonder how they got it. Very suspicious.!

Well my mailbox is already seeing results. 100000 less email. No more penus enlargement pills for you baby. THey offer that to my wife. She ait got one!

enocheed said,
Well my mailbox is already seeing results. 100000 less email. No more penus enlargement pills for you baby. THey offer that to my wife. She ait got one!

you sure?
btw a clitorus is an undeveloped penis

enocheed said,
Well my mailbox is already seeing results. 100000 less email. No more penus enlargement pills for you baby. THey offer that to my wife. She ait got one!

Yeah, maybe they thought she'd want to buy it as an anniversary gift. Penis enlargement pills make great stocking stuffers, and it's not too late to get some for those Easter baskets! Ha ha, I kid, but hey - a great saleman hits all the targets, you know!

I have noticed I started to get a considerably less amount of spam email for my MSN account this week.

They will be up and runing in no time as there is a lot of money in the spam business :

New Analysis Shows Pushdo Botnet Sent Trillions of Spam Emails, Generated Millions in Profits

A new, detailed analysis of the operations of the infamous Cutwail/Pushdo botnet shows that the network, which had been he target of several takedown attempts in the last couple of years, is not only amazingly resilient, but also is incredibly prolific, with one section of the botnet sending more than 1.7 trillion spam messages, and quite profitable, generating as much as $4 million in profits for its owners.

http://threatpost.com/en_us/bl...campaign=Newsletter&CID=


alexalex said,
They will be up and runing in no time as there is a lot of money in the spam business :

New Analysis Shows Pushdo Botnet Sent Trillions of Spam Emails, Generated Millions in Profits

A new, detailed analysis of the operations of the infamous Cutwail/Pushdo botnet shows that the network, which had been he target of several takedown attempts in the last couple of years, is not only amazingly resilient, but also is incredibly prolific, with one section of the botnet sending more than 1.7 trillion spam messages, and quite profitable, generating as much as $4 million in profits for its owners.

http://threatpost.com/en_us/bl...campaign=Newsletter&CID=


Man, I'm in the wrong business.

J_R_G said,

Man, I'm in the wrong business.

Yes, You are.

It is a shame not to take adnvantage of 1 Billion suckers using Windows and Adobe's Pdf & Flash apps. Here is a story by a "Security conscious " Windows User :

Stopping StopZilla
Earlier today, I clicked on the link in this newsletter to "Remove Visa Advanced Verification Pop Up" which sent me to the StopZilla web page. Since I took the fact that you put this link in your newsletter to mean that you supported and recommended them, I thought I was okay. It turned out not to be the case. Anyway, after downloading and installing the software, running it found about 30 issues of Trojan horses on my system. This was less than 24 hours after I had run VIPRE in safe mode as well as Malware's Anti-malware also in safe mode. Yesterday they each found no problems. Today, StopZilla finds a bunch. I instructed StopZilla to remove the problems it had found. I then get a message advising that I must have the full version to do this. After I agreed to the $39.95, I attempted to activate the software. I ran into some problems so I called IS3 and after a lengthy session where they never did tell me why I couldn't activate the software.

They asked if they could take control of my machine to see what the problem was and I agreed. After some lengthy exploration of my computer they came up with a huge number of programs which had each terminated prematurely and left data still active. They said that this could cause my computer to have heart failure and any other computers on my network would have the same issues. They advised that there were a number of solutions available to me but suggested that the best of those was to pay them a cool $395.00 and they would remotely solve all my problems. I told the techie that I used Sunbelt's VIPRE and that I wanted to talk to you guys about this. I told him that I had learned of StopZilla in Sunbelt's newsletter. He advised that he had never heard of Sunbelt or VIPRE. That didn't set too well with me so I just told him no thanks for now.

SunbeltSecurityNews .

Most all my spam is coming from Romania and lately Colorado. Hope they put the screws to those spammers until it hurts.

I use to get a lot of spam but after banning around 400 e-mail addresses and around 100 domains I've got it down to around 1-2 spam per week. All thanks to the banning system in hotmail. It use to be around 20 spam messages per day.

Gaffney said,
I use to get a lot of spam but after banning around 400 e-mail addresses and around 100 domains I've got it down to around 1-2 spam per week. All thanks to the banning system in hotmail. It use to be around 20 spam messages per day.

Wow, good job. I can't seem to ban enough domains.

Gaffney said,
I use to get a lot of spam but after banning around 400 e-mail addresses and around 100 domains I've got it down to around 1-2 spam per week. All thanks to the banning system in hotmail. It use to be around 20 spam messages per day.
Hey why not make that list of banned domains available? I'd like to get my hands on it. I would love to keep cutting down on my spam headaches.

SK[ said,]Great news. I still want to shoot anyone that buys from spam emails.

I work with a lady whose son-in-law almost died taking prescription drugs he bought from a spam email to help him sleep. They made him delirious, and it took police officers to restrain him until the ambulance came for him; he almost had a heart attack. I told her, "anyone who buys medication over the Internet and from spammers is just asking for it." Not that I'm unsympathetic, but don't you just want to slap a guy for being stupid?

SK[ said,]Great news. I still want to shoot anyone that buys from spam emails.

I work with a lady whose son-in-law almost died taking prescription drugs he bought from a spam email to help him sleep. They made him delirious, and it took police officers to restrain him until the ambulance came for him; he almost had a heart attack. I told her, "anyone who buys medication over the Internet and from spammers is just asking for it." Not that I'm unsympathetic, but don't you just want to slap a guy for being stupid?

Ricky65 said,
I don't see this as the good guys going after the bad guys. It's the bad guys going after the bad guys.

Nice try. I give you an F.

Ricky65 said,

I don't see this as the good guys going after the bad guys. It's the bad guys going after the bad guys.

i dont give a F

Ricky65 said,

lol. MS fanboy?

And what are you? A spammer? MS did a good thing here, save your perpetual anti-MS whine fest for another thread...

Ricky65 said,
I don't see this as the good guys going after the bad guys. It's the bad guys going after the bad guys.

Tell me what makes Microsoft "bad guys"?

Ricky65 said,
I don't see this as the good guys going after the bad guys. It's the bad guys going after the bad guys.

You got it! That is why there is no name in the law suit! Microsoft tech geeks found a better way to bot net. In exchange for amunity this guy is going to teach microsoft how to better spam.

J_R_G said,

And what are you? A spammer? MS did a good thing here, save your perpetual anti-MS whine fest for another thread...


Firstly, how does posting 2 comments make me a spammer? Also, how can you call it a "perpetual anti-MS whine" when this is the first time I've criticized MS on here?

Just because MS shut down a botnet doesn't make them holier-than-thou. It doesn't detract from their dubious business practices.

Anyway, I think they're just treating the symptoms. When a 12 year old teenager can set himself up a botnet pretty easily with pratically no programming skills you know something is wrong. For example, Linux systems haven't being transformed into botnet zombies the way millions of Windows PCs have been.

Ricky65 said,

Just because MS shut down a botnet doesn't make them holier-than-thou. It doesn't detract from their dubious business practices.

If they can cut down the spam present then it goes a long way in my books.

Anyway, I think they're just treating the symptoms. When a 12 year old teenager can set himself up a botnet pretty easily with pratically no programming skills you know something is wrong. For example, Linux systems haven't being transformed into botnet zombies the way millions of Windows PCs have been.

You can't create a botnet with 25 computers, that's why linux has been avoided. I kid of course, it's more like 50 The reason they go after Windows is that windows is much more widespread and more susceptible to infection due to 'User issues' which is the most polite way I can put it

Ricky65 said,

Firstly, how does posting 2 comments make me a spammer? Also, how can you call it a "perpetual anti-MS whine" when this is the first time I've criticized MS on here?

Just because MS shut down a botnet doesn't make them holier-than-thou. It doesn't detract from their dubious business practices.

Anyway, I think they're just treating the symptoms. When a 12 year old teenager can set himself up a botnet pretty easily with pratically no programming skills you know something is wrong. For example, Linux systems haven't being transformed into botnet zombies the way millions of Windows PCs have been.


if they would treat the symptons, Windows would be an unuseable OS due to MS having to force out user stupidity.

And anyone can setup a botnet, its the swiss army knife of skiddies. Takes 0 skills and 0 effort to DDoS or spam. Doesnt matter what OS is used btw, OSX is easier to crack then Windows, and in Linux as soon as you can take control over root (which isnt that hard on an used desktop system) you can do ANYTHING you want without any warnings to the actual user. Even delete kernel files :') and the guy wont notice anything untill he reboots

But i guess Windows is the least secure OS of them all ofcourse.

As said before, go whine somewhere else about MS. MS has done plenty of good things to the world. For example, http://www.neowin.net and bringing the Internet graphical to your desktop in the first place. Considering Mosaic was practically the first graphical browser in history. Guess what Internet Explorer came from
oh and i bet your still wandering around in terminals only? As its Microsoft who brought GUI to the OS's.. at least to the public. Apple's GUI was horrid

J_R_G said,

And what are you? A spammer? MS did a good thing here, save your perpetual anti-MS whine fest for another thread...

Yeah, and it's interesting that it's always the same people... LOL

Shadowzz said,]
if they would treat the symptons, Windows would be an unuseable OS due to MS having to force out user stupidity.

They are on track just doing it.
Microsft treats it's Windows users like the are Lepers proposing to quarantine whole countries which have PCs with viruses, like it has been done with Mexico's "Swine Flu" :

Microsoft proposes a public health approach to Internet security

Enter Microsoft's public health care plan. There are five main concepts to this plan
that are intended to safeguard privacy and security.

The risk that botnets present to Internet users and critical infrastructures must be
addressed.
Collective defense can and should be used to help improve the security of consumer
devices and protect against such cyber threats.
A public health model can empower consumers and improve Internet security.
Voluntary behavior and market forces are the preferred means to drive action but if
these means fail, governments should ensure these concepts are advanced.
Privacy concerns must be carefully considered in any effort to promote Internet
security by focusing on device health. In that regard, examining health is not the
same as examining content; communicating health is not the same as communicating
identity; and consumers can be protected in privacy-centric ways that do not
adversely impact freedom of expression and freedom of association

http://www.microsoft.com/mscor.../vision/internethealth.aspx

alexalex said,

cut

Good read, thanks. I head something like this before, as usual from MS, great initiation. But to bad its from MS, as it'll take them more effort to let it catch on then if it would be Google
damn Google=good and MS=bad thoughts/ideas.
As I've been a target for DDoS/DoS numerous amount of times, knowing how easy and destructive such skiddie noobs can do. Great to see companies like MS understanding the problem and working to a better future, be it more controlled, but the open and free internet has already failed it needs some governmental intrusion to keep the internet a clean and safe place for everyone. For example the Dutch AntiSpam laws (European too now i believe). Without the internet will just get worse and worse. its already a sh*t hole compared to the internet a decade go. so much crap, spam, malware and skiddies roaming around.

Ricky65 said,

Firstly, how does posting 2 comments make me a spammer? Also, how can you call it a "perpetual anti-MS whine" when this is the first time I've criticized MS on here?

Just because MS shut down a botnet doesn't make them holier-than-thou. It doesn't detract from their dubious business practices.

Anyway, I think they're just treating the symptoms. When a 12 year old teenager can set himself up a botnet pretty easily with pratically no programming skills you know something is wrong. For example, Linux systems haven't being transformed into botnet zombies the way millions of Windows PCs have been.

Dubious? Really? - You realize that by saying this, you are screaming, "I'm an anti-MS troll," right?

How can you be taken seriously, when you then go on to state that Linux systems haven't been turned into botnet zombies?

Just simple routers that use Linux have been a frequent target for bots. They don't even have to hit end users, botting a few critical routers is far more effective and something that doesn't checked nearly as frequent as a server or end user system.

Server and desktop Linux systems are also a fairly frequent target, as they are less screened depending on the IT/end users administrating the systems. Too many Linux 'professionals' ignorantly adopt the Apple like, we are immune, attitude.

Why on earth would you even begin to assume Linux is immune to something as simple as being botted? What is so special about the Linux architecture, in your mind, that makes it superior to Windows with regard to security?

Most security experts would argue that Linux is a less secure architecture model, and being 'open' does NOT help, as any good hacking level programmer can flip through the source code and find a way in. All it takes is finding a chunk of code that was written by someone that knows less about what they are doing, than the hacker reviewing it. PERIOD.

If you want to rethink why you think Windows is the security nightmare you portray it as...
Go read InsideNT (first edition), there is a reason that the Windows NT team purposely avoided using kernel designs and OS model constructs that are common in Linux and virtually all forms of *nix based OS models.

thenetavenger said,

Dubious? Really? - You realize that by saying this, you are screaming, "I'm an anti-MS troll," right?

How can you be taken seriously, when you then go on to state that Linux systems haven't been turned into botnet zombies?

Just simple routers that use Linux have been a frequent target for bots. They don't even have to hit end users, botting a few critical routers is far more effective and something that doesn't checked nearly as frequent as a server or end user system.

Server and desktop Linux systems are also a fairly frequent target, as they are less screened depending on the IT/end users administrating the systems. Too many Linux 'professionals' ignorantly adopt the Apple like, we are immune, attitude.

Why on earth would you even begin to assume Linux is immune to something as simple as being botted? What is so special about the Linux architecture, in your mind, that makes it superior to Windows with regard to security?

Most security experts would argue that Linux is a less secure architecture model, and being 'open' does NOT help, as any good hacking level programmer can flip through the source code and find a way in. All it takes is finding a chunk of code that was written by someone that knows less about what they are doing, than the hacker reviewing it. PERIOD.

If you want to rethink why you think Windows is the security nightmare you portray it as...
Go read InsideNT (first edition), there is a reason that the Windows NT team purposely avoided using kernel designs and OS model constructs that are common in Linux and virtually all forms of *nix based OS models.

To be honest, if you don't think that Microsoft's business practices are "dubious", to say the least, then I've got some seaside property for you in Wyoming mate. "by saying this, you are screaming, "I'm an anti-MS troll," right"? Wrong. Since when has questioning a business, in this case one with a history of anti-competitive practices, made somebody a troll? With your deluded logic anybody who questions the business practices of a corporation is a "troll". Get over yourself.
I didn't say Linux systems were immune from malware and couldn't be turned into zombies, just not on the scale of Windows with millions of infected boxes. You are trying, and failing miserably, to put words into my mouth.
Lastly, to the guy who said this isn't the place to criticize MS. Since when did you get decide who and where people can criticise Microsoft, or any corporation for that matter? What are you? A fascist? As this article is about MS I feel it is an appropriate place to comment about... err well you guessed it... Microsoft. In fact, I commended MS for shutting down the botnet but why aren't I allowed to give my constructive criticism?

Ricky65 said,

To be honest, if you don't think that Microsoft's business practices are "dubious", to say the least, then I've got some seaside property for you in Wyoming mate. "by saying this, you are screaming, "I'm an anti-MS troll," right"? Wrong. Since when has questioning a business, in this case one with a history of anti-competitive practices, made somebody a troll? With your deluded logic anybody who questions the business practices of a corporation is a "troll". Get over yourself.
I didn't say Linux systems were immune from malware and couldn't be turned into zombies, just not on the scale of Windows with millions of infected boxes. You are trying, and failing miserably, to put words into my mouth.
Lastly, to the guy who said this isn't the place to criticize MS. Since when did you get decide who and where people can criticise Microsoft, or any corporation for that matter? What are you? A fascist? As this article is about MS I feel it is an appropriate place to comment about... err well you guessed it... Microsoft. In fact, I commended MS for shutting down the botnet but why aren't I allowed to give my constructive criticism?

You have to remember the most of these 'anti-trust' suits are just other companies crying 'unfair!' because Microsoft are trying to build a better, easier to use OS.

Ricky65 said,

I didn't say Linux systems were immune from malware and couldn't be turned into zombies, just not on the scale of Windows with millions of infected boxes. You are trying, and failing miserably, to put words into my mouth.

Because nobody uses Linux?

James Riske said,
Microsoft has broken the law many times themselves and yet nobody has busted into their offices and seized computers.

Just had to try and take a dig at them somehow didn't you? Shoo troll.

James Riske said,
Microsoft has broken the law many times themselves and yet nobody has busted into their offices and seized computers.

Yes but 30 billion messages is a bit excessive. Microsoft runs email so it is in their interest to reduce spam as much as possible.

shinji257 said,

Yes but 30 billion messages is a bit excessive. Microsoft runs email so it is in their interest to reduce spam as much as possible.


They do a better job at reducing spam than Google. My gmail gets nearly 200 spam messages a day.

James Riske said,
Microsoft has broken the law many times themselves and yet nobody has busted into their offices and seized computers.

Probably because the evidence needed could be obtained without having to search their offices.

James Riske said,

I'm simply stating a fact.


A fact that is completely unrelated to the topic at hand, and purely designed to be flame bait. You've got a track record mate, don't try and deny it

James Riske said,
Microsoft has broken the law many times themselves and yet nobody has busted into their offices and seized computers.

Sure they have, wth are you going to do about it. Why don't you lawyer up and file a case against them.
....

Yeah I thought so.

TCLN Ryster said,

A fact that is completely unrelated to the topic at hand, and purely designed to be flame bait. You've got a track record mate, don't try and deny it

A track record according to who?
It wasn't flame-bait at all.

James Riske said,
Microsoft has broken the law many times themselves and yet nobody has busted into their offices and seized computers.

You obviously dont have a clue about MS's past legal problems... they where forced to turn over documentation in the past under court order, and in some foreign countries their offices where raided

neufuse said,

You obviously dont have a clue about MS's past legal problems... they where forced to turn over documentation in the past under court order, and in some foreign countries their offices where raided

I did not hear about their foreign offices being raided however there is a huge difference between being raided and having to turn over documents.

James Riske said,

I'm simply stating a fact.


Instead of acting like a troll, please list all the illegal things that MS has done. Don't just go making a blank statement; quote some facts otherwise all you do is make yourself look foolish.

James Riske said,
I'm simply stating a fact.

What you're stating is completely irrelevant to the discussion. Even if you feel you truly aren't trolling or creating flame-bait, you're still going off-topic so just stop.

James said,

Just had to try and take a dig at them somehow didn't you? Shoo troll.

I thought microsoft windows is all set up to be bot nets for microsoft interest. Bill has to control the world

windows os is microsofts bot net. We should raid microsoft for that. Why you think China wrote their own os. Kylin? anyone?

James Riske said,
Microsoft has broken the law many times themselves and yet nobody has busted into their offices and seized computers.

Ohk. Ohk.

neufuse said,

You obviously dont have a clue about MS's past legal problems... they where forced to turn over documentation in the past under court order, and in some foreign countries their offices where raided

Ye because Apple never did anything wrong, and neither did any linux distro :')
And not like you NEVER broke a single law in your life either..

damn anti-MS fanboys

stablemist said,

They do a better job at reducing spam than Google. My gmail gets nearly 200 spam messages a day.

That's not so much Google's fault than it is the sites you're using your e-mail address on, but I still appreciate what you're saying. For example, I have several e-mail accounts with Google, the one I use the most gets as much spam as you claim yours does. However the other two, which I use infrequently, get zero spam.

RichardRichard said,

That's not so much Google's fault than it is the sites you're using your e-mail address on, but I still appreciate what you're saying. For example, I have several e-mail accounts with Google, the one I use the most gets as much spam as you claim yours does. However the other two, which I use infrequently, get zero spam.


I have gmail addresses i have never used anywhere. And their names aren't likely to be brute-forced. yet they still receive spam.

Shadowzz said,

I have gmail addresses i have never used anywhere. And their names aren't likely to be brute-forced. yet they still receive spam.

I have gmail addresses that I have never used anywhere, and they get zero spam. Zero.

On the other hand, I have a hotmail address that I have never really used for anything because I never really needed it - but I have it because of XBox Live, SkyDrive, Messenger, etc - and that one gets spam on a daily basis - but not much because I never really use it. My daily GMail address does get spam, but it rarely if ever hits my inbox. And every time one of my friends has their email hijacked and I get spam from them, you know what domain their email is in? It's Hotmail, alright.

I'm not digging on Microsoft or praising anyone else, but I think Microsoft should be applauded for stepping up to take care of botnets in their own interest, because taking these douchebags down is only helping us.

stablemist said,

They do a better job at reducing spam than Google. My gmail gets nearly 200 spam messages a day.

I too have had gmail now for over 2 years and NEVER hide or intensionally take extra steps to hide my email. I have posted on forums and other websites too. NOT ONE single spam email.... EVER in 2 years got into my inbox.

rippleman said,

I too have had gmail now for over 2 years and NEVER hide or intensionally take extra steps to hide my email. I have posted on forums and other websites too. NOT ONE single spam email.... EVER in 2 years got into my inbox.


OK.

ccoltmanm said,
Why is this Microsoft's responsibility?

Its not but nobody else really bothers to take these things down except for the few companies who really care about it., and its in their interest both as a security thing and as a great marketing/PR tool
Also Microsoft is one of the few who can throw this kind of money at a solution

alexalex said,

Maybe because all those millions Botneted PCs are runing Windows ?

No because Microsoft actually cares... They didn't create this issue and good from them for working on the issue.

Also how is this a Windows issue? If all of the jackwagons at home would stop clicking on everything link they can this wouldn't be such an issue it is in the first place...

Teebor said,

Its not but nobody else really bothers to take these things down except for the few companies who really care about it., and its in their interest both as a security thing and as a great marketing/PR tool
Also Microsoft is one of the few who can throw this kind of money at a solution

This is Microsofts responsibility because of a shi* security on the os.

enocheed said,

This is Microsofts responsibility because of a shi* security on the os.

because the Mac's security is any better? Oh please... that would be why every time theres a hacking contest, apple products are always the first to be taken out.

enocheed said,

This is Microsofts responsibility because of a shi* security on the os.

Riiiiiiight.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure App hasn't come up with some built-in security function that keeps idiots from clicking on random links or giving out their e-mail addresses.

Tom said,

because the Mac's security is any better? Oh please... that would be why every time theres a hacking contest, apple products are always the first to be taken out.

+1

Tom said,

because the Mac's security is any better? Oh please... that would be why every time theres a hacking contest, apple products are always the first to be taken out.

Owned?

NeoRaZor said,

No because Microsoft actually cares... They didn't create this issue and good from them for working on the issue.

Also how is this a Windows issue? If all of the jackwagons at home would stop clicking on everything link they can this wouldn't be such an issue it is in the first place...

Microsoft cares as these are windows PCs. If it were Macs or Linux Microsoft would have helped the spammers. The botnet didn't have 150,000 windows PCs, but 815,000 botneted Pcs.

alexalex said,

Microsoft cares as these are windows PCs. If it were Macs or Linux Microsoft would have helped the spammers. The botnet didn't have 150,000 windows PCs, but 815,000 botneted Pcs.

Linux and Macs are 7% of the market. Who gives a flying f***?

ccoltmanm said,
Why is this Microsoft's responsibility?

I think it's possible that Microsoft approached this as a less expensive way of combating spam than trying to work around it. You know how spammers always have some way around spam filters, and they drive up traffic, and it gets pretty spendy trying to shut them out. So here, maybe Microsoft chose to take them out instead. They got the police involved, which must have been free after convincing them that it's their job to enforce the law in their respective jurisdictions, and issued lawsuits to the people they think are responsible. So either they're going after the right people, or anyone wrongly accused will cough up someone who is responsible, believe me. Microsoft isn't spending any extra money on lawyers, because they probably keep them on retainer or employ them directly. So, this is Microsoft's way of saying, "we're sick of spending time and money trying to shut these spammers out." Maybe the light came on, and someone said, "you know, they're never going to stop unless we stop them - like REALLY stop them." I say bravo, Microsoft. Bravo.

ccoltmanm said,
Why is this Microsoft's responsibility?

I think it's possible that Microsoft approached this as a less expensive way of combating spam than trying to work around it. You know how spammers always have some way around spam filters, and they drive up traffic, and it gets pretty spendy trying to shut them out. So here, maybe Microsoft chose to take them out instead. They got the police involved, which must have been free after convincing them that it's their job to enforce the law in their respective jurisdictions, and issued lawsuits to the people they think are responsible. So either they're going after the right people, or anyone wrongly accused will cough up someone who is responsible, believe me. Microsoft isn't spending any extra money on lawyers, because they probably keep them on retainer or employ them directly. So, this is Microsoft's way of saying, "we're sick of spending time and money trying to shut these spammers out." Maybe the light came on, and someone said, "you know, they're never going to stop unless we stop them - like REALLY stop them." I say bravo, Microsoft. Bravo.

Greatbigdragon said,

I think it's possible that Microsoft approached this as a less expensive way of combating spam than trying to work around it. You know how spammers always have some way around spam filters, and they drive up traffic, and it gets pretty spendy trying to shut them out. So here, maybe Microsoft chose to take them out instead. They got the police involved, which must have been free after convincing them that it's their job to enforce the law in their respective jurisdictions, and issued lawsuits to the people they think are responsible. So either they're going after the right people, or anyone wrongly accused will cough up someone who is responsible, believe me. Microsoft isn't spending any extra money on lawyers, because they probably keep them on retainer or employ them directly. So, this is Microsoft's way of saying, "we're sick of spending time and money trying to shut these spammers out." Maybe the light came on, and someone said, "you know, they're never going to stop unless we stop them - like REALLY stop them." I say bravo, Microsoft. Bravo.

Microsoft cares because they are as much a victim of spam as any other business. Worse, they are also an ISP - it is highly possible that some of the Rustock spam used either genuine or fake addresses on the MSN and Hotmail domains (both of which Microsoft owns outright). So that's three very important reasons that Microsoft would care - notice that none, except indirectly, have anything to do with Windows.

Why else do you think that AOL actively hosts a large number of anti-child-porn efforts?

Greatbigdragon said,

I think it's possible that Microsoft approached this as a less expensive way of combating spam than trying to work around it. You know how spammers always have some way around spam filters, and they drive up traffic, and it gets pretty spendy trying to shut them out. So here, maybe Microsoft chose to take them out instead. They got the police involved, which must have been free after convincing them that it's their job to enforce the law in their respective jurisdictions, and issued lawsuits to the people they think are responsible. So either they're going after the right people, or anyone wrongly accused will cough up someone who is responsible, believe me. Microsoft isn't spending any extra money on lawyers, because they probably keep them on retainer or employ them directly. So, this is Microsoft's way of saying, "we're sick of spending time and money trying to shut these spammers out." Maybe the light came on, and someone said, "you know, they're never going to stop unless we stop them - like REALLY stop them." I say bravo, Microsoft. Bravo.

Here here. Well said.

Tom said,

because the Mac's security is any better? Oh please... that would be why every time theres a hacking contest, apple products are always the first to be taken out.


+1

how come no name in law suite.. Where were those Physical machines located ?? Those which were sieged by the Law enforcement authorities ??

They now know the address, would it be hard to find the owners of those physical systems ???

Like who paid the electricity bill to run those command servers ?? Who paid the internet bills ?? Who owns the address and such !!!

Strange that no arrest or such happened yet..

Choto Cheeta said,
how come no name in law suite.. Where were those Physical machines located ?? Those which were sieged by the Law enforcement authorities ??

They now know the address, would it be hard to find the owners of those physical systems ???

Like who paid the electricity bill to run those command servers ?? Who paid the internet bills ?? Who owns the address and such !!!

Strange that no arrest or such happened yet..

I would imagine the servers were in colocation facilities like WholesaleInternet in Kansas City. That's where my server is housed. They have had problems with spammers using their facilities before, which is why I have such a hard time getting my IP block whitelisted by mail servers. The facilities are getting money from the servers' owners somehow, but it could be hard to trace that back to the source, as the operators are criminalls.

Skwerl said,

I would imagine the servers were in colocation facilities like WholesaleInternet in Kansas City. That's where my server is housed. They have had problems with spammers using their facilities before, which is why I have such a hard time getting my IP block whitelisted by mail servers. The facilities are getting money from the servers' owners somehow, but it could be hard to trace that back to the source, as the operators are criminalls.

Exactly. They usually look for places where they can have very fast connections as well as these things (Particularly on this scale) put tremendous data demands on the internet connection... And by being in these facilities, it protects them a bit as well.

Pegus said,
Microsoft FTW.

Well, the bots themselves are Windows machines, so I suppose you could say it's in their interest to do so. Then again, every botnet out there is composed of machines running Windows. Perhaps we should all stop using Windows, then there would be no spam

Flawed said,

Well, the bots themselves are Windows machines, so I suppose you could say it's in their interest to do so. Then again, every botnet out there is composed of machines running Windows. Perhaps we should all stop using Windows, then there would be no spam

No.

Flawed said,

Well, the bots themselves are Windows machines, so I suppose you could say it's in their interest to do so. Then again, every botnet out there is composed of machines running Windows. Perhaps we should all stop using Windows, then there would be no spam

As a Linux user, I feel compelled to tell you that you are wrong.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Linux+Botnets

Flawed said,

Well, the bots themselves are Windows machines, so I suppose you could say it's in their interest to do so. Then again, every botnet out there is composed of machines running Windows. Perhaps we should all stop using Windows, then there would be no spam

keep dreaming

Pegus said,
Microsoft FTW.

did you know when you posted that you would educating Neowin users on ancient interweb slang ?
i found all your replies more interesting than the topic at hand lol
I better explain what lol means now too eh ?

I am Not PCyr said,

did you know when you posted that you would educating Neowin users on ancient interweb slang ?
i found all your replies more interesting than the topic at hand lol
I better explain what lol means now too eh ?

ROFLMAO I only just noticed people had replied to my comment. GG THX BBQ GO DIA.