Microsoft takes to the streets to show off the limitations of Google's Chromebook

Last week, Microsoft launched a new campaign against another Google-based product: the Chromebook. Now the company is using one of its own, evangelist Ben Rudolph, to further Microsoft's notion that the Chromebook won't give consumers what they really need in a notebook. Rudolph did much the same thing in 2012 with the company's "Smoked by Windows Phone" campaign.

The Microsoft YouTube channel has a new video that shows Rudolph hitting the streets of Venice, California and asking people what kinds of things they like to do on a notebook. One person stated she uses her laptop for Photoshop and Illustrator. Another person stated she uses Microsoft Office programs like Word and Excel.

Rudolph happens to have a Chromebook to show off during the video and he points out that even though Google claims it can run everything a person needs from a laptop, it can't run Photoshop or Illustrator and users can't install Microsoft Office. He also points out that Google Docs doesn't work if there's not an Internet connection handy.

Rudolph then shows off the Asus Transformer Book T100 running on Windows 8, which he says costs the same amount of money as the Chromebook (around $300). He shows that it can run all the programs that the Chromebook can't handle and also that the Transformer T100's screen can separate from the keyboard to become a stand-alone tablet. It's likely that this new video will not be the last we hear of Microsoft in their latest attempt to downplay the products and services that Google has to offer.

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Can't use office >>>> Google Drive
Can't use Photoshop >>>>> Multiple photo editing web apps for Google Chrome

illage3 said,
Can't use office >>>> Google Drive
Can't use Photoshop >>>>> Multiple photo editing web apps for Google Chrome

I take it you never used either Photoshop or Office then

I don't know why MS is wasting so much energy on the Chromebook, I don't think it will ever see large success anyway, at least not now or in the near future...Maybe it is a pre-emptive strike?

Ok, so this is going to be a little bit of a long post while I break down the video and educate the people that obviously don't understand what brainwashing techniques are taking place and why you should actually try using both devices before passing judgement.

So at the beginning of the video Ben says "This is a Chromebook, Google says, the Chromebook, it's everything you need in one laptop"
Google never said that and a Bing, Yahoo, Ask or even Google search just relates back to this video and even going up to page 20 of the search results, there is no record of Google saying that ever. So the first thing that has come out of this guys mouth is a complete lie as they NEVER said it. Next Ben says, "Let's show it to some real people..." You mean real employees of Microsoft, the girl stood on the left is none other than http://www.linkedin.com/profil...745675%2CVSRPcmpt%3Aprimary
An account manager for Microsoft India, had to use a Google Image search for that one.
Ok so moving on they talk about Photoshop, well it all depends on what your editing really, personally whether using a PC, Mac or Chromebook, I would always favour using a site like Pixlr.com as it's instant and doesn't require any software installation and uses the servers processing power as opposed to yours. But on the Chrome Web Store there are over 20 million apps and 90%+ are free including an OFFLINE version of PIXLR, on Windows you get Paint, which I suppose could be fun for kids for like 20 seconds, but anyway moving on. Ben says when your not online, you can't create or edit documents, that is true if you haven't turned on offline mode. Offline Google Drive documents sync automatically to your Chromebook, and when you create a new document, as you type, it automatically saves offline with every keystroke, and will automatically sync with your account when your back online. you can revert back to any point in history from when you created the document, I have a document that is over year old that I collaborated on with some work colleagues, as the owner of the document, if I decided I want to take out their edits, I can do without any issues. But Google Docs is also great for students it has a full Google Search if you click Tools, Research and allows you to add citations with one click.
Moving on through the video...
"Word, Excel, Powerpoint, you can't install it on this one."
Well I see that as a good thing, if someone sends me a .docx, xlsx or pptx document, I can open and edit it as a Microsoft document for free using Quickoffice, which is built into Chrome OS. Microsoft would charge me £90 a year for Office 365 when Google has something that does exactly the same job and a bit more, try it for an hour, you will make your documents come to life with Quickoffice and Google Drive.
But before we move on, Ben said a bent fact, you can't install Microsoft Office on a Chromebook. That is true, he didn't say you can't use Microsoft Office on a Chromebook, which you can. If you have Office 365, then you already have access to Microsoft Office on the cloud using Skydrive. Oh wait, you paid for Office 365 to be able to use it as a cloud subscription between 5 computers, but if you go on Skydrive, it's already enabled anyway. Bing it!

Moving on...
"Do you know anyone that has one of these?"
"Yeah, I have a friend but she doesn't really use it."
"Why doesn't she really use it?"
"Because she can't do anything on it really."
Really? I mean Really, really, really, real people. Ok, let's suppose the conversation here is really true, really? Ok, i'll go with that. So the reason she can't really do anything is because she is under 13 and it is against the law to have her own email account, so her parents set up a restricted profile for her to make sure she is not seeing stuff that kids shouldn't see, protecting her from the dangers of the web. What you mean Chromebooks can REALLY do that? Yes they can.

Ben tells a bunch more bent truths and just catches this guys response, but he looks to be the only non actor in the whole video as he looks intrigued to go check it out for himself, and if he speaks to anyone that has used one, he will find out they do pretty much everything a PC does without the buggy software that has had over 3 billion viruses for Windows vs 0 for Chromebooks.
but moving on...
"Everything you need in one laptop, it's Windows 8 over a Chromebook everytime"
I'm not going to tell you to go out and buy a Chromebook or a PC or even Mac, but what I will say is, don't you find it odd that Microsoft are running such childish campaigns, does it really not make you want to just go to a store and play on them side by side for 20 minutes to a few hours and see the differences for yourselves instead of preaching Windows is better if you haven't tried a Chromebook, if you say you have tried the Chrome browser and it seemed slow, that's your machine that's slow, not the browser.
But Microsoft are great still aren't they, they have had so much success with operating systems that speed up over time instead of slowing down, oh wait, no that's Chrome OS, well they have that awesome social networking site Myspace everyone uses that, oh ok, another failed product, how about quick OS updates, anything between 20-minutes to three days for some updates taking up space on your machine and you don't know what the updates are for, it says security but you still get a virus a month later, mmm...
I used to have Windows 8 with an i7, I got sick of trying to fix Windows laptops, remove viruses, restore hard drives, update software, so bought the most expensive one there was, until 6 months later it got dramatically slower like all the rest. I was given a Chromebook as a loan laptop while my laptop was being repaired. It was quick and half the price of budget laptops so when I picked up my PC, I bought a Chromebook to play on. With Chrome OS it automatically updates every six weeks and gets faster over time, i've had a Chromebook for a little over a year and ditched Windows about 3 months after I bought a Chromebook and never looked back. Using my Chromebook I run a successful business and now don't have to keep wondering about the next technology expense. When I got the Chromebook it took about 14 seconds to power on, today it takes about 9 seconds, it is the first computer I have ever owned that has got faster with age and I now class myself as an ex Microsoft user and you could give me the Transformer as shown in the video and £1000, i'd take the money and pay someone to put Chrome OS on the tablet, I will never use Windows again, when you get used to the speed of Chrome (instant) you never look back.

I am not really MS fanboy but Chromebook is really piece of junk. Any device which works solely on internet connection and try to call itself a computer deserve to get ridiculed.

I almost laughed out loud reading the article. I can just imagine an Asus exec hiding in the bushes saying "that's right MS b*tch, promote my hardware free for me".

But then, MS had no choice. They couldn't very well say "Chromebook costs about $300 and our Surface Pro 2....well.....that will only costs you roughly two mortgage payments".

Great way to do a comparison MS
Chromebook around the $300 mark
Transformer T100 $598

If it costs twice as much id certainly hope it could do alot more than a Chromebook lol

failAD

This is great advertising. It doesn't matter about them not showing the alternatives. There really isn't an alternative to that suite. Regardless of what people say about functionality of other office suites, they don't give you the ease of use, or don't give you as many options to choose from.

Secondly, Google is a privacy eating machine.

Its interesting people nagging about windows RT but praise chromebooks. in my opinion if Full windows would be 10 , RT is 5 and chromebook is 1 or 2

Nashy said,
You spelled fragmentation and frustration wrong.

Yeah, because Microsoft sure played that part well with Windows phone 7 hmm? Oh wait...

D'oh!

Oh yeah. Cause WP7 and WP8 can compare to the amount of fragmentation in the market that Google has created. Please.

It will be no different with this lame attempt at an OS.

If you guys want to buy products from Google whose sole purpose in life is to steal your data so be it. Every piece of software and hardware they produce meets this end.

I really do not know why Microsoft spit on Chromebook and Google?They will do the same thing with one of the next version windows.I mean Microsoft already say that they reorient programs to the cloud. Office365 is some of them,Windows 8 with metro interface and it applications is windows in transition to the cloud,windows azure and other.
Windows on pcs,tablets and phones will be the same thing,what is Chromebook already.
Microsoft should pay attention on their products and improve quality and quantity because new windows and office generation is not acceptable.

LOL I love it when he shows what happens when you're not connected to the internet. Where is the outrage we saw on the xbox one "required" once a day internet ping? Oh, it's OK if GOOGLE does it.

neonspark said,
LOL I love it when he shows what happens when you're not connected to the internet. Where is the outrage we saw on the xbox one "required" once a day internet ping? Oh, it's OK if GOOGLE does it.

You are taking a very popular device used for years by millions and making a change to it that users do not like. Then you have a new device that has always had "always online" and used by a hell of a lot fewer people. Users do not like change which has been demonstrated since the beginning of time. If Google was going to do similar things to Android as MS was going to do with XBOX, you can bet there will be a lot of heat on Google.

This is not an "Its ok when Google does it but not MS" situation. CBs were designed/made/advertised from the begging to always have an internet connection and needs that in order to function properly. MS does not.

Edited by techbeck, Dec 6 2013, 7:54pm :

You're being quite selective in your definitions.

A Chromebook is a laptop that requires an Internet connection for nearly all of its functions.

Yes, a LAPTOP. This is not a new device. It is a new way of using a device that has been "used for years by millions".

His point is quite valid. An always-online Xbox One was a crime against humanity, but an always-online laptop is just fine.

Hypocrisy at it's worst.

neonspark said,
LOL I love it when he shows what happens when you're not connected to the internet. Where is the outrage we saw on the xbox one "required" once a day internet ping? Oh, it's OK if GOOGLE does it.

The Xbox One isn't portable. It's meant to sit in your living room. Chromebooks are not.

Enjoying seeing all the people complaining so much about how mean Microsoft is to Google and Apple through these commercials. It just means it is working.

Funny. Those windows phone stunts didn't seem to help much so I doubt this will either.

And yes, CBs are advertised that people can do everything they can as they would with a laptop. Like picture editing and things that Photoshop does. Does not have to have Photoshop in order to edit pictures. MS is just appealing to the week minded who doesnt know any better.

On a side note, they are looking in to Google Docs/Chromebooks for usage at my work. Which if they do that, they will get a hell of a lot of flack from everyone in IT. Google Docs/CBs may be good for some small businesses/schools...but have no place in an Enterprise.

EDIT:

Doesnt the ASUS T100 use fill Windows 8.1? If so, thats like when people compare a PC to an iPad. Different form/function/usage. Like comparing a 1 ton pickup truck to a sedan.

Edited by techbeck, Dec 6 2013, 5:57pm :

Spicoli said,
How do you figure? It's the fastest growing phone OS now.

It is easy to be the fastest growing mobile OS when you have little market share. But Apple and Android is also still gaining market share. And still no info on where the WP users are coming from. Apple? Google? BB? Or some other platform.

techbeck said,

It is easy to be the fastest growing mobile OS when you have little market share. But Apple and Android is also still gaining market share. And still no info on where the WP users are coming from. Apple? Google? BB? Or some other platform.


easy or not, windows phone is doing great in Europe, even eclipsing the iPhone in Italy and some latin American markets. the world of mobile is diverse. Yes android is big (for now) but also its their market to lose at this point. and if there is one thing mobile has taught us: things change on a dime.

techbeck said,
Doesnt the ASUS T100 use fill Windows 8.1? If so, thats like when people compare a PC to an iPad. Different form/function/usage. Like comparing a 1 ton pickup truck to a sedan.

So being feature rich is now a bad thing? For the same price you get full fledged laptop + a tablet. And on the other hand something that looks like a laptop but is really just a glorified browser. So your car analogy is wrong. If anything, its like comparing a Ferrari to a Mopet.

neonspark said,

easy or not, windows phone is doing great in Europe, even eclipsing the iPhone in Italy and some latin American markets. the world of mobile is diverse. Yes android is big (for now) but also its their market to lose at this point. and if there is one thing mobile has taught us: things change on a dime.

Windows phone has been on the market 3 years, I'd be inclined to argue it's had enough time to make it's mark.

Javik said,

Windows phone has been on the market 3 years, I'd be inclined to argue it's had enough time to make it's mark.

Remember when Android was three years old?

gadean said,
This makes Microsoft look desperate.

I doubt any consumer focuses it on that as much as on avoiding a chromebook at all costs after this. so....

neonspark said,

I doubt any consumer focuses it on that as much as on avoiding a chromebook at all costs after this. so....

I disagree, I don't think you're giving consumers enough credit. This commercial is a dig - it's petty and it's not something a company does unless it feels threatened.

If Microsoft wants to highlight the Surface they can focus on what it can do. It's unfair to compare the Surface RT (essentially a tablet) with the Chromebook (essentially a portable browser with web-based apps). For the same reason, the Surface and Surface RT shouldn't be compared since they compete in different markets.

Microsoft is trying to play fanboi to the people. so they selected a chromebook to try and say how inferior it is. sheesh..

I don't see the point of what Microsoft is doing at all. The Chrome book is far from being a competitor. The only thing I see from this is Microsoft acting like a bully to Google.

Atomic Wanderer Chicken said,
Microsoft is seriously cruising for a bruising from Google with all these anti-google ads!

Doubt Google even cares really.

Atomic Wanderer Chicken said,
I don't see the point of what Microsoft is doing at all. The Chrome book is far from being a competitor. The only thing I see from this is Microsoft acting like a bully to Google.

read this article from Brad Sams. They CANNOT afford NOT to do this.

Atomic Wanderer Chicken said,
I don't see the point of what Microsoft is doing at all. The Chrome book is far from being a competitor. The only thing I see from this is Microsoft acting like a bully to Google.

Awwww, poor wittle Google needs protection from big mean Microsoft! Good lord, the Chrome book costs as much as a fully kitted out tablet hybrid device which is the point of the ad - why spend money on a stripped down device when for the same amount you can get a fully kitted up hybrid tablet without any compromises.

manwiththedroid said,
If Microsoft spent half as much energy on its own products than attacking Google, they wouldn't need to attack google.

^This

That's not really true. Marketing has much more to do with sales than the product especially in the consumer world. For example, Apple does far less R&D than Google and Microsoft yet they have a very high revenue.

Spicoli said,
That's not really true. Marketing has much more to do with sales than the product especially in the consumer world. For example, Apple does far less R&D than Google and Microsoft yet they have a very high revenue.

It is the negativity.. They need to put their efforts in some sort of positive marketing instead of looking desperate.

fusi0n said,

It is the negativity.. They need to put their efforts in some sort of positive marketing instead of looking desperate.

Negativity works. It would be negligent to the shareholders to ignore the marketing data.

heatlesssun said,
So Google doesn't attack Microsoft?

They may have here and there...but no comparison towards MS attacking Google. Night and day. Google has been pretty quiet about the attacks.

Like yanking the YouTube app and being hostile to Windows Phone and Windows 8. These companies are aggressively attacking each other constantly, Microsoft has been more vocal about it, Google more subtle, but both are aggressive about it regardless.

heatlesssun said,
Like yanking the YouTube app and being hostile to Windows Phone and Windows 8. These companies are aggressively attacking each other constantly, Microsoft has been more vocal about it, Google more subtle, but both are aggressive about it regardless.

How has Google been hostile towards those two planforms?

heatlesssun said,
Like yanking the YouTube app and being hostile to Windows Phone and Windows 8.

MS is not exactly innocent in all of that either. But people like to put all the blame on Google while ignoring MS' role.

Google is being WAY to specific about this. It's obvious that Google doesn't want a 1st party YouTube app on Windows and Windows Phone. They are happy to let 3rd party apps do everything that they won't allow Microsoft to do but they don't do after them. It's straight up discriminatory and obvious. But Google is happy to allow YouTube on the Xbox.

heatlesssun said,
Google is being WAY to specific about this. It's obvious that Google doesn't want a 1st party YouTube app on Windows and Windows Phone. They are happy to let 3rd party apps do everything that they won't allow Microsoft to do but they don't do after them. It's straight up discriminatory and obvious. But Google is happy to allow YouTube on the Xbox.

MS and Google were supposed to be working on this together. MS didnt like Google's rules so they went behind their back and reverse engineered their API and released an app without Google's approval. Google's response was banning the app.

I do think Google should make a WP app, and maybe since XBOX has one this is a sign of things to come. However, I do not blame them for not releasing an app because of the MS attacks. MS wants Google to play nice yet they are not really willing to do the same and attack Google any chance they get.

fusi0n said,

It is the negativity.. They need to put their efforts in some sort of positive marketing instead of looking desperate.

your view pretty much disagrees with every marketing agency in the world.

techbeck said,

MS and Google were supposed to be working on this together. MS didnt like Google's rules so they went behind their back and reverse engineered their API and released an app without Google's approval. Google's response was banning the app.

I do think Google should make a WP app, and maybe since XBOX has one this is a sign of things to come. However, I do not blame them for not releasing an app because of the MS attacks. MS wants Google to play nice yet they are not really willing to do the same and attack Google any chance they get.

because google's rules were made up to avoid having a good youtube app on WP. don't be a fanboy, everybody knows this. MSFT made an excellent app not based on HTML, google's own apps aren't HTML based on iOS, so the demand the WP needed to be HTML based was just so that it would suck as not even google does it this way.

All google has to do is enable the API key, nothing else. it helps their product, it makes them money with ads, but instead google has taken the low road of screwing with the consumer for the sake of MSFT hate. cheap. so, yeah, google kind of deserves every bit of this ad.

you say you don't blame google for not playing nice? you THINK google plays nice? ha ha that is funny.

neonspark said,

because google's rules were made up to avoid having a good youtube app on WP.

Rules are made for everyone, not just MS. And before people start saying "Well why doesnt google go after other apps not using HTML5" Probably the same reason why Apple doesnt attack everyone copying their designs. You go after the big fish, or those with the potential to hurt you.


MSFT made an excellent app not based on HTML, google's own apps aren't HTML based on iOS, so the demand the WP needed to be HTML based was just so that it would suck as not even google does it this way.

MS made a good app for HTML, yes. But that app didnt have any ads and allowed users to download videos and then the contributers lose out on the money. Why the first app was banned. This is well known. But I guess that is ok for MS to allow others to steal data then in turn accuses Google of doing the same.

And Google makes the apps for iOS so that is why they are written in native code...and which is clearly stated in Google's rules.

don't be a fanboy

Man I love it when people resort to calling others a fanboy in their arguments. Just proves that either they dont know what they are talking about, or do not know how to hold a conversation and properly prove/back their argument.

I am a fanboy of all/most products. Which in turn is NOT the definition of a fanboy so i am just a regular tech enthusiast. But keep calling me a fanboy if it makes you feel better.

techbeck said,

Rules are made for everyone, not just MS.

And this is my point. Google is only going after Microsoft over the API situation on Windows and Windows Phone. As I said earlier, there a TON of Windows and Windows Phone apps that totally trash Google's "rules" but they are only going after Microsoft and only for Windows and Windows Phone.

If the "rules" were for everyone Google would go after ALL of the apps that broke them but they aren't.

heatlesssun said,

If the "rules" were for everyone Google would go after ALL of the apps that broke them but they aren't.

Did you read my whole post? I stated the reason is probably because Google doesnt perceive those as a threat. At least that is the reason I am always told about why Apple doesnt go after others copying their designs (there are many). But who knows their reason. All we can do is speculate and assume and give opinions. I just want to stop hearing about it.

heatlesssun said,
Like yanking the YouTube app

WP users aren't missing much TBH. The current droid version sucks balls and the mobile site through browser is better IMO.

You're wasting your time on the poster bro. Check his post history...any article, comment or even thought that appears on Neowin that puts Google in a bad light illicits this type of reaction. It is what it is.

But to agree with you, anybody with even the slightest amount of impartiality can tell that Google's actions are in stark contrast to the public image they try to portray. Look at it this way: Schmidt has repeatedly dogged MS in the press, Google has repeartedly said (at various press events) that MS is not part of the "cool kids club" (so to speak)...among other things that I'm pretty sure most people here are aware of. The YouTube fiasco runs counter to everything Google says they stand for but by golly gee, some people will defend that to the hilt and put the blame squarely on MS shoulders (disregarding the fact that Google is holding MS to a different standard than iOS, Android and even BlackBerry...whose marketshare is non existent).

Like I said bro, you're wasting your breath.

techbeck said,

I am a fanboy of all/most products. Which in turn is NOT the definition of a fanboy so i am just a regular tech enthusiast. But keep calling me a fanboy if it makes you feel better.

You make good points. Just one thing though.

"Fanboy" is a actually an insult word. It means "an ignorant and/or illogical and/or heavily biased fan". The term you're looking for is simply "Fan".

Yeah because the marketing team for the scroogled ads was a development team but they pulled em off that to do these ads.
/s

Dumbest line of thinking I've heard in a long time.

blackjezuz said,
Yeah because the marketing team for the scroogled ads was a development team but they pulled em off that to do these ads.
/s

Dumbest line of thinking I've heard in a long time.


Who are you referring too with your post?

manwiththedroid said,
If Microsoft spent half as much energy on its own products than attacking Google, they wouldn't need to attack google.

Explain to me how what they're doing is wrong? Microsoft create a product then goes out to compare it to another product that a big name is making to point out the differences and who has the superior product. I'm not even a Microsoft customer (I use Apple products) and even I can see the benefit of Microsoft showing off the superiority of their own products compared to the competition - it is about differentiation and pointing out those differences to customers.

Can't install Photoshop? No way.... Way to miss the point of the chromebook BTW Photoshop would run like a dog on that transformer

actually, an older photoshop would run just fine, something from the XP era. i know this i used it on even lower spec pc.

i am not sure if there is a legal way to obtain it unless you have the disks from years ago, but the point is that the transformer can run all windows apps build up over the last 10+ years, if need be. while chromebook cannot run anything from the past.

And they cost the same! Hell, I would prefer Adroid tablet over chromebook. At least it has Skype.

However, I would take that Asus Transformer Book T100 over chromebook anyday.

All we need now.. is someone to grab a Windows 7 tablet, and play a win32 app on it.. and be like: Can't do that on Windows 8RT now can ya?

firey said,
All we need now.. is someone to grab a Windows 7 tablet, and play a win32 app on it.. and be like: Can't do that on Windows 8RT now can ya?

uh, the asus tablet they showed wasn't windows RT.....

firey said,
All we need now.. is someone to grab a Windows 7 tablet, and play a win32 app on it.. and be like: Can't do that on Windows 8RT now can ya?

What's the point of bringing up windows 7? You could have said Windows 8 as well instead of 7

este said,
Don't think I get your point either then....

Because even windows tablets can't necessarily run all apps. They use 8.1 in the demo, well 8.1RT doesn't run any win32 apps. Unless you pay like 3x the price.. you are stuck with a tablet that can only install things when connected to the internet.

firey said,
All we need now.. is someone to grab a Windows 7 tablet, and play a win32 app on it.. and be like: Can't do that on Windows 8RT now can ya?

A Windows 7 tablet? Where on Earth you can find one of those for sale?

firey said,

Because even windows tablets can't necessarily run all apps. They use 8.1 in the demo, well 8.1RT doesn't run any win32 apps. Unless you pay like 3x the price.. you are stuck with a tablet that can only install things when connected to the internet.

Exaggerate much? Surface Pro and Pro 2 are far from "3 times the price". And what's wrong with only being able to install things when connected to the internet (even though you can install things from an SD card or USB, by the way).

The point is that you can USE nearly EVERYTHING without an internet connection. How it gets installed is not an issue.

To be honest, the normal user just checks email, browses web and do some word processing.

Anyways, I see Microsoft's point...

Jose_49 said,
To be honest, the normal user just checks email, browses web and do some word processing.

Anyways, I see Microsoft's point...

sounds like a good ol' windows tablet under $300 would work for those use cases! Examples are the dell venue 8 pro, and the Lenovo miix 2. The surface RT also works, though that's a little pricier. For all three I mentioned, you can use the device offline, and play games offline and stuff.

Jose_49 said,
To be honest, the normal user just checks email, browses web and do some word processing.

Anyways, I see Microsoft's point...

chromebooks don't even support Skype.

worse, if you want to print, you need a google print compatible printer, and an active internet connection.

you can't print if your internet connection is unavailable, because all the documents you print are sent to google's servers, then they are fetched from google's servers to your printer.

I think both of these things may affect the vast majority of users.

link8506 said,

chromebooks don't even support Skype.

Google probably wants to push Hangouts for this. Which is understandable since Hangouts is web based and Skype needs to be installed locally.

link8506 said,

chromebooks don't even support Skype.

worse, if you want to print, you need a google print compatible printer, and an active internet connection.

you can't print if your internet connection is unavailable, because all the documents you print are sent to google's servers, then they are fetched from google's servers to your printer.

I think both of these things may affect the vast majority of users.

Vast majority of people don't use Skype and they certainly don't print. Vast majority of users do exactly what a chromebook is meat for.

techbeck said,
Google probably wants to push Hangouts for this. Which is understandable since Hangouts is web based and Skype needs to be installed locally.

Skype supports web based calls (see Facebook Video Messaging) with the help of a plugin, same as Hangouts.

stevan said,

Vast majority of people don't use Skype and they certainly don't print. Vast majority of users do exactly what a chromebook is meat for.

What vast mojority are you talking about? The 1% of PC users who buy chromebooks?

http://cdn-static.zdnet.com/i/...sh=Mwt5BGH1AT&upscale=1

Edited by AsherGZ, Dec 6 2013, 7:14pm :

AsherGZ said,

Skype supports web based calls (see Facebook Video Messaging) with the help of a plugin, same as Hangouts.

Does that plugin work in Chrome? If not, then still cant use Skype on a Chromebook.

stevan said,

Vast majority of people don't use Skype and they certainly don't print. Vast majority of users do exactly what a chromebook is meat for.

Speaking of what the vast majority of users do on the net, I'm actually curious, for this sort of use case even if we focus on Google's own offerings what makes a Chromebook vastly superior to an Android tablet?

Romero said,

Speaking of what the vast majority of users do on the net, I'm actually curious, for this sort of use case even if we focus on Google's own offerings what makes a Chromebook vastly superior to an Android tablet?

Who said it's vastly superior to a tablet?

All right, I'll re-phrase. You talked about what the "vast majority" do on the net. In what way might a Chromebook be an advantage over an Android tablet? Not arguing, just wondering what makes them worthy of purchase.

Romero said,

Speaking of what the vast majority of users do on the net, I'm actually curious, for this sort of use case even if we focus on Google's own offerings what makes a Chromebook vastly superior to an Android tablet?

No need to buy a KB/M attachment, no malware, nothing to install and to mess up the system. Just a few things off the top of my head.

Jose_49 said,
To be honest, the normal user just checks email, browses web and do some word processing.

Anyways, I see Microsoft's point...

That might be true but that person wants to do it without having to have a connection to the internet when writing a document and they also want full compatibility with Microsoft formats which is something Google documents cannot do cleanly. Sorry but in all due respects the 'Chrome Book' is a solution to a non-existent problem.

link8506 said,

chromebooks don't even support Skype.

worse, if you want to print, you need a google print compatible printer, and an active internet connection.

you can't print if your internet connection is unavailable, because all the documents you print are sent to google's servers, then they are fetched from google's servers to your printer.

I think both of these things may affect the vast majority of users.

Crap didn't know anything about it

Having an always on laptop is problematic... I couldn't live with one, since my Internet connection is very unstable.

techbeck said,

No need to buy a KB/M attachment, no malware, nothing to install and to mess up the system. Just a few things off the top of my head.

KB for some light word processing, ok, although not really required for browsing. Malware - since both ChromeOS and Android have Linux underpinnings and use app sandboxes and what not, what makes the former in your opinion so much more malware resistant than the latter (especially if you stick to official app sources and not random APKs from the net)?

techbeck said,
Google probably wants to push Hangouts for this. Which is understandable since Hangouts is web based and Skype needs to be installed locally.

Hangouts needs a browser plugin installed locally.

link8506 said,

chromebooks don't even support Skype.

worse, if you want to print, you need a google print compatible printer, and an active internet connection.

you can't print if your internet connection is unavailable, because all the documents you print are sent to google's servers, then they are fetched from google's servers to your printer.

I think both of these things may affect the vast majority of users.

And with Microsoft's attitude (which also owns Skype), we're not likely to see Skype support on a Chromebook anytime soon.

m-p{3} said,

And with Microsoft's attitude (which also owns Skype), we're not likely to see Skype support on a Chromebook anytime soon.

You've got that pretty backward.

m-p{3} said,

And with Microsoft's attitude (which also owns Skype), we're not likely to see Skype support on a Chromebook anytime soon.

I'm sure Microsoft will promise to release Skype for Chromebooks if at all they end up with adequate market share, same as Google expects for WP before releasing their YouTube app for it. BTW, I see quite a few MS apps for Google's other OS but almost nothing in the opposite direction.

Jose_49 said,
To be honest, the normal user just checks email, browses web and do some word processing.

Honestly, a lot of people talk about "normal users", but I don't think there is such a thing. For instance, a lot of laptop users are college kids, who do those things you mentioned, but might want to experiment with graphic design and video editing, and play the occasional game. As more and more people have experience with technology, many growing up with it, there is less of the population that is tech un-savvy and they don't want their options artificially limited by design.

That said, I think there is a market for Chromebooks, but I see it more as people who already have a home computer and are not looking for a laptop to be a desktop replacement, and just want something for travel. Or organizational use like at businesses and schools.

It's only a matter of time before Microsoft is standing outside local Best Buys punching people in the face that walk out with a Chromebook.

Figure 8 Dash said,
It's only a matter of time before Microsoft is standing outside local Best Buys punching people in the face that walk out with a Chromebook.

Haha!

They really are being a bit aggressive about this product. I really was not very interested in the Chomebook, until now. I want to know why MS thinks it is such a threat to run a smear campaign. Can't see what is so useful about the Chromebook. Seems like a whole machine built around crippled adware to me.

Figure 8 Dash said,
It's only a matter of time before Microsoft is standing outside local Best Buys punching people in the face that walk out with a Chromebook.

nah, these people will be back in 5 minutes when they try to install software in their "laptop" so instead they should wait for them and given them a coupon for a real laptop with a real OS. returns on chromebooks are the norm.

neonspark said,

nah, these people will be back in 5 minutes when they try to install software in their "laptop" so instead they should wait for them and given them a coupon for a real laptop with a real OS. returns on chromebooks are the norm.

Chromebooks have been the number one seller on Amazon several times. Wouldnt be so if everyone was returning them. And if people return them because they cannot install software, then it is obvious the users didnt know what they were buying. But that is a consumer problem. And anyone comparing the CB to a fulling functional tablet like the T100 is just grasping at straws. Different usage/market and it is like when people were comparing iPads to laptops.

CBs will never take over laptops....but there is a market for them.

returns on chromebooks are the norm.

Proof?

techbeck said,

Chromebooks have been the number one seller on Amazon several times. Wouldnt be so if everyone was returning them. And if people return them because they cannot install software, then it is obvious the users didnt know what they were buying. But that is a consumer problem. And anyone comparing the CB to a fulling functional tablet like the T100 is just grasping at straws. Different usage/market and it is like when people were comparing iPads to laptops.

CBs will never take over laptops....but there is a market for them.

Proof?

Stupid people still buy stuff. What category was it number one in? Web Browsers or Computers that do sh*t.

Clamdigger63 said,
Web Browsers or Computers that do sh*t.

Troll much?

I know several people that love Chromebooks. And in case someone accuses me, I am not a Google fanboy. My work is evaluating them and i am 100 percent against it...along with Google Docs. If I have to start supporting this in the Enterprise, i will be looking for another job.

Figure 8 Dash said,
It's only a matter of time before Microsoft is standing outside local Best Buys punching people in the face that walk out with a Chromebook.

The reason why MS is doing this is to cut down any momentum that Chromebook is having. They verbally predicted that new devices (iPhone, iPad, Android devices) will not become popular. and they sat idle until it was too late.

Someone told here in a conversation that Chromebook is being treated as a secondary product by Google (I say bull to that), but the fact that Google is planning of including an app store for it could possibly bring this device to life ...with the inclusion of offline support. This device is already in schools.

Edited by RommelS, Dec 6 2013, 7:04pm :

techbeck said,

Chromebooks have been the number one seller on Amazon several times. Wouldnt be so if everyone was returning them. And if people return them because they cannot install software, then it is obvious the users didnt know what they were buying. But that is a consumer problem. And anyone comparing the CB to a fulling functional tablet like the T100 is just grasping at straws. Different usage/market and it is like when people were comparing iPads to laptops.

CBs will never take over laptops....but there is a market for them.

Proof?

I think this is because of the education market. The school I work at has over 150 chromebooks because they are cheap and we use GAFE. Have yet to see even one in the real world. Great for schools. Not sure about anything else right now...

Scabrat said,

I think this is because of the education market. The school I work at has over 150 chromebooks because they are cheap and we use GAFE. Have yet to see even one in the real world. Great for schools. Not sure about anything else right now...

I know some older people who have them as well. All they need is internet browsing and email. They don't do anything else.

CBs have a limited market and are not for everyone. That may change as Google expands the device...but I am not to confident on that.

techbeck said,

I know some older people who have them as well. All they need is internet browsing and email. They don't do anything else.

CBs have a limited market and are not for everyone. That may change as Google expands the device...but I am not to confident on that.

I agree. I am not confident on that either =). They are limited in functionality but are perfect for people who operate in their environment. If people liked the net book they probably like the Chromebook too =).

techbeck said,

And if people return them because they cannot install software, then it is obvious the users didnt know what they were buying.

Considering the threads I've seen in the MS support forums with people complaining that they can't run Android or iOS apps on their Surface RT, that's not as unlikely as you might think.

Figure 8 Dash said,
It's only a matter of time before Microsoft is standing outside local Best Buys punching people in the face that walk out with a Chromebook.

Hahaha, this is so funny.

I agree. I don't like such ad campaigns and IMO no company should do it. It's not nice to call out your competition. Advertise your own. Let people decide.

Scabrat said,

I agree. I am not confident on that either =). They are limited in functionality but are perfect for people who operate in their environment. If people liked the net book they probably like the Chromebook too =).

During college, I played HOURS of Civ 3 on my ASUS netbook. I had to scale the resolution to fit 1024x768 on my 1024x600 screen, and I couldn't run anything larger than the medium sized map (Still pretty big!), but it ran pretty darn well.

I'll bet a brand new chromebook can't even do that.

Hambone72 said,

During college, I played HOURS of Civ 3 on my ASUS netbook. I had to scale the resolution to fit 1024x768 on my 1024x600 screen, and I couldn't run anything larger than the medium sized map (Still pretty big!), but it ran pretty darn well.

I once used my old netbook as a media server while my desktop was packed up for a move. Worked surprisingly well for such a low-power device.

Hambone72 said,

During college, I played HOURS of Civ 3 on my ASUS netbook. I had to scale the resolution to fit 1024x768 on my 1024x600 screen, and I couldn't run anything larger than the medium sized map (Still pretty big!), but it ran pretty darn well.

I'll bet a brand new chromebook can't even do that.

Perfect valid point =). Cant play old games on a Chromebook. Just website games... Those dont fit my preferred gaming experience though .

eddman said,

Hahaha, this is so funny.

I agree. I don't like such ad campaigns and IMO no company should do it. It's not nice to call out your competition. Advertise your own. Let people decide.

Microsoft isn't the first company to do this type of advertising. Why are people calling it aggressive and acting as if it's something new. This tactic is being used all over the world by many companies. Hell, Apple was using it 5 years ago with the Mac/PC ads.

shockz said,

lmao

trolls are rampant today.

Oh, I hardly use my Chromecast anymore since I got my XBOX ONE. So yea, I am a Google fanboy..../s I use whatever product I want regardless of who makes it.

Now shoo

I've got a Chromebook here and it's great for browsing and using Google services and crap for everything else but it was never marketed to me as a 'Do everything' device. Are Google even marketing it as such. MS has every right to point out to people that it isn't a fully featured laptop, it isn't and i think a lot of people get confused in to thinking it is.

Nogib said,

Hence why Apple makes a killing in the marketplace.

+1 Bazillion. I was just going to bring up how much Apple sucks in all of this...