Microsoft to release Xbox One without Kinect for $399 on June 9

Microsoft has announced it will release a version of the Xbox One without the currently included Kinect sensor for $399 on June 9, the company announced today.

Phil Spencer, head of Microsoft's Xbox unit, announced the move in a post on Xbox Wire, saying the move was made to deliver "more choices" to fans of the console. Currently, an Xbox One console can only be purchased for $499 with a bundled Kinect sensor.

"There's a lot about Kinect that I really love," Spencer said in a video released on Xbox Wire. "But we also heard from people that they just like to play games with a controller in their hand, and they play multiplayer through Xbox Live. What we wanted to do is, for those people, make sure there's a version of Xbox that meets the exact needs that they have."

Spencer maintains that Kinect "remains an important part of [Microsoft's] vision," as he says more than 80 percent of Xbox One users "actively" interact with the sensor, with an average of 120 voice commands issued by each user per month. For those who wish to purchase the less-expensive Xbox One but may want the sensor later, Microsoft will begin offering Kinect separately sometime "this fall."

In addition to lacking voice and motion commands, the $399 version of Xbox One will also seemingly lack some TV functionality, as the Kinect sensor controls associated TVs and set-top boxes. TV features have been a large part of Microsoft's Xbox One plan since the console was first announced, with several Microsoft-developed shows and movies scheduled for release on the console and the Xbox 360 in the coming months.

The Kinect-free version of Xbox One notably places it at the same price as Sony's PlayStation 4, which has seen a significant sales advantage over Microsoft's console. Today's announcement also comes on the heels of analyst speculation that Microsoft would offer the Xbox One without Kinect by 2015.

Microsoft was previously adamant that it would not release a version of Xbox One without Kinect, saying the sensor was a necessary part of the console's experience. In an August interview, Xbox executive Phil Harrison said the two could not be separated.

"Xbox One is Kinect," he said. "They are not separate systems. An Xbox One has chips, it has memory, it has Blu-ray, it has Kinect, it has a controller. These are all part of the platform ecosystem."

While Microsoft stated Kinect was vital to the Xbox One, game developers appeared to disagree. At launch, no games required the sensor, and few have been released since then with extensive support for Kinect.

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Hilarious, after all this talk that Kinect was needed.
They must have been really feeling the heat from the PS4 and felt they had no other choice.

Sigh.
So, it does mean that they can sell the XO sooner in more countries whilst they fix the voice recognition etc for each language. But this is #### for ever seeing innovative games that can use motion control, which is an experience I would like.

I hope that MS gives funds for devs who put good Kinect functionality / requirements in their games, so that when the game is sold "Works best with Kinect", someone has to buy the Kinect for the full experience - and maybe it can be bundled as such too "Buy Kinect and get xyz game for 50 %"

While this move will increase the change of my upgrading to the XB1, it is still games that will move me to upgrade. I have a Kinect with the 360 and I tried to use it, but it just isn't fun (at least by yourself). The benefits of the new Kinect are few and really not features you must have, can easily do without.

I'm gonna be selling my Xbox One now, if Kinect is no longer integral then I've been misled and no longer wish this console

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
all this talk about the Kinect being integral part of Xbox and how it is NEVER going to be sold without one.
HAHA HAHA HAHA

ok i am done!!! (i only imagine how pissed off the real fans must be after another 180 reversal of Xbox team!)

ps. I might actually buy an xbox now. before that I could not care less for Kinect, and i did not want to pay the premium for it! now only the games are an issue.. and i love Killer Instinct a LOT.

I find it kinda amusing that for so long, up until now, a lot of people on this site stuck by MS choice to keep Kinect bundled with all Xbox One consoles. So many of you (including me), backed them up and agreed that Kinect needed to stay bundled for developers sake. Now, suddenly MOST of you are happy that it's being stripped and saying "it's about time" and "they're finally listening to their customers"?

What in the hell is wrong with the lot of you? This is a horrible decision and a huge waste of our (people who hoped to watch Kinect grow) time and money. This is like last year all over again with MS forceably ditching online only plans and making their console less unique.

*end rant*

Lord Method Man said,
broken comment system.

So, you wanna try that again? Or are you saying somebody had already posted comments to that effect and I missed it? I searched for 'Skype' in this thread, and didn't see anything relevant.

I had tried replying to another comment, hitting 'Add Comment' did nothing, so I finally hit Cancel and responded to yours. When I hit Add Comment again my old reply to the other comment appeared under yours, so I just said screw it and edited my reply to reflect my frustration.

Lord Method Man said,
I had tried replying to another comment, hitting 'Add Comment' did nothing, so I finally hit Cancel and responded to yours. When I hit Add Comment again my old reply to the other comment appeared under yours, so I just said screw it and edited my reply to reflect my frustration.

:-) Seems to be working now. Looking forward for any thoughts on how Skype is gonna work. MS had also been hyping voice commands as if they were a big thing. So is this going to be known as the dumbed-down Xbox?

MS is listening to consumers. Isn't this a good thing? I use my Kinect daily but that's just me. I can see how people wouldn't use it. Voice commands are awesome when you can't find the remote... :p

At least Microsoft is listening.

I have no problems personally with the hard-sell bundling of the Kinect, if the unit was backwards compatible for hardware and software. But it is not, and that made the entire experience very limiting.

As it's been said before, if there were any (at all) AAA-rated Kinect titles available at launch, at least that would have made the product tempting. But seriously... we're not that naive (are we??) to think we really want to spend 100 bucks more for voice control.

I've got two kids to wrangle. I'd trade voice control for two extra controllers in a heartbeat, no question. We're not all made of money -- if I were I'd take it all, but that's the reality of the world we live in. People won't buy the XB1 because of the substantial hardware AND software investment it requires.

And why would MS just lower the price and take the profit hit while still keeping the Kinect in the package? Because the developer writing is on the wall -- when less than 5% of your overall software portfolio remotely uses the camera, that product is officially "niche" not "core" no matter how much Microsoft wants to make it so.

So they have reversed practically everything about the xbox one yet everyone (apart from Neowin) was saying these things would cause it to fail from the get go. Makes you wonder how they could make such a colossal blunder in the first place.

Because if you never try something new you'll never know how it would have turned out. They tried it. They learned from it. Now we get a couple of bundles to choose from. I'd rather they take a few risks than just try to stay status quo. That's what screwed them up in the mobile sector.

Everyone is being harsh on MS, I see it as them finally listening to what their customer wants and think that taking customers wants seriously and doing something about them is quite admirable. Its the Microsoft we have needed for awhile and its never too late. Good for you Microsoft and also I think consumers should give themselves a pat on the back, they voted with their wallets and won.

So from all the features they announced the only one left is the feature SimCity HAD: we use the cloud to compute and simulate the game because it is too heavy and can not be done locally. This game was build with cloud in mind.

So luckily we still have the cloud right? Right? Riiiiiiight? :p

Asurax said,

So luckily we still have the cloud right? Right? Riiiiiiight? :p

Sadly even that will be minimal since the whiners got them to back track on always on, developers aren't going to push their games into the cloud worried they will lose that same set of gamers I would guess.

Sad news. But anyway, I'm happy that my XB1 has a Kinect and I use it on the daily. It's too bad that people who buy this won't know the beauty of it.

Really wish Microsoft stopped being overly people-pleasing and instead stuck to their vision. This will hold them back from innovating forward.

Thats is silly Microsoft needs to be more people pleasing if they are going to be more competitive. If kinect had apps that people really liked then I would agree it would be dumb move. However, there are few apps that appeal to its user base. And the most important thing for for microsoft is to grow its userbase.

I think MS did do a lot of user feedback/surveys about the use of the Kinect. I know that I got at least 3 of them sent to me and a follow up call. While I do use it a lot and would still buy Kinect given a choice, I'm sure there were enough others that didn't to justify having an option of not having it bundled.

All the people complaining and saying things to the effect of "ooo burn" are the same people who wanted this to happen.

I'll wait till the Nov-Dec holiday season the get the whole package for $399, not just the xBox One. I'm not a gamer, my kids are, and since their old games won't play on it, and they have quite a few, I'm in no hurry to watch Netflex on a newer console

Kinect ain't going anywhere. Our local hospital uses it, tons of consumers use it. It's more so RIP Kinect for games since Devs will be back to not knowing who owns one.

j2006 said,
Kinect ain't going anywhere. Our local hospital uses it, tons of consumers use it. It's more so RIP Kinect for games since Devs will be back to not knowing who owns one.

Sweet a niche device, Kinect and the surface table can be tech buddies.

Osiris said,

Sweet a niche device, Kinect and the surface table can be tech buddies.


Pixelsense.
It's an LCD display now, not a table since they dumped rear projection IR in favor of the CCD sensors in the LCD.

This is literally the stupidest thing they could have done. They just killed the one differentiating factor for their system. They've just guaranteed that no decent games will EVER be developed for Kinect. This is the stupidest decision they've made yet in an avalanche of stupid decisions.

If they wanted to lower the price, they should have just eaten the cost of the Kinect for a while.

If they'd actually included a decent, fun Kinect game in the box, at ship time, this never would have happened.

pmbAustin said,
They've just guaranteed that no decent games will EVER be developed for Kinect.

The Kinect was the fastest selling consumer device ever and we still dont have any killer games that utilize it in a deep and meaningful way. Kinect having a AAA title that utilizes it to where people want it more than just a controller is a pipe dream.

I don't really care for Xbox and console gaming, however the decision to sell an xbox without Kinect means developers cannot automatcially assume one is actually equipped. That might not be a postiive thing.

So tired of hearing this. Where was the support before? Kinect was bundled, it was guaranteed that everyone had one, so developers should have been adding deep Kinect features left and right, no? All they did was add a few voice commands that were just tacked on the same way they were to get a "Better with Kinect" label on the Xbox 360.

Lord Method Man said,
So tired of hearing this. Where was the support before? Kinect was bundled, it was guaranteed that everyone had one, so developers should have been adding deep Kinect features left and right, no? All they did was add a few voice commands that were just tacked on the same way they were to get a "Better with Kinect" label on the Xbox 360.

I agree that a Kinect game should have been out by now, but to suggest that Kinect is useless because no developers have made unique use of it yet when you are barely even out of the launch title cycle for a new console is reductive and verging on stupid.

[quote=Lord Method Man said,]So tired of hearing this. Where was the support before? Kinect was bundled, it was guaranteed that everyone had one, so developers should have been adding deep Kinect features left and right, no? All they did was add a few voice commands that were just tacked on the same way they were to get a "Better with Kinect" label on the Xbox 360.
/quote]
It wasn't bundled for EVERYONE before. Developers couldn't tell how actually had one and who didn't. That was the beauty with XB1, they knew EVERYONE had one. Also, if you knew anything about the Kinect a lot of current and upcoming XB1 games/apps are being developed with Kinect capabilities. And that's also why stats show over 80% of users ACTIVELY use it. If you go into any MS Store, you can see consumers love it. Now that there is an unbundled version, Devs won't be sure anymore unless MS is providing a way to code scenarios with and without it.

Kinect never had a killer app. And one was never going to happen.

The Kinect is an amazing piece of hardware and sold just fine on it's own (#1 fastest selling consumer device ever) when people were excited about it.

If you have one killer AAA game that uses it in an ultra amazing way, people will flock back out to buy them. Until then giving people the option is better.

they have been backpedaling ever since they announced the Xbox One.

All these moves mean just one thing: the Xbox One has been a sales failure so far, selling about half the units compared to the PS4. Good move my MS, but it's probably not enough.

These things may or may not have been set in motion before Mr. Nadella took the helm, but I think like the general vibe that MS is putting out now. Their decisions seem make more sense nowadays.

Remove gold subscription requirement for using netflix,skype and onedrive is probably microsoft next move. I really wonder how they manage to screw up so much mistake that shouldn't happened in the very beginning and took so long for them to aware. Just unbelievable.

A console for the Chinese market has to be sans Kinect due to law in the PRC - the capabilities of Kinect would be a Humungous Red Flag. Here's the $64USD question: will the new SKU be global, or will it be ONLY for the PRC market? (Yes - a PRC-specific XB1 is possible.)

However, if I buy an XB1, it will *include* Kinect - simply because of what it brings to the capabilities overall as it stands.

It is still expensive.. I'll wait for the slim version btw... it is also still soooo big compared with the other consoles.

Great news! Though I was expecting the console without Kinect to cost $350. Hopefully they'll continue to bundle a game.

Since the difference in cost of the console is just $100 and eBay fees and shipping are so expensive it doesn't really make sense to resell my Kinect. Darn.

How come there is no article about the Xbox live restriction being lifted? So anyone can now use there Xbox for streaming and not need gold!

"A Kinect-less Xbox One is not in our plans at all."
"As we've said from the very beginning, we believe Kinect is an absolutely integral part of the Xbox One experience."
Stay classy Microsoft.

KeR said,
"A Kinect-less Xbox One is not in our plans at all."
"As we've said from the very beginning, we believe Kinect is an absolutely integral part of the Xbox One experience."
Stay classy Microsoft.

I guess the fact that Microsoft will release a version of the Xbox one for the Chinese market may have something to do with this decision.

a console for Chinese market has to be cheaper, so it was certain that the Chinese version would be Kinect-less.

since many games will be developed for both the worldwide and the Chinese version of the Xbox one, that means developers will target the lowest common denominator : consoles without Kinect.

so, better start offering the choice to consumers in non-Chinese regions right now in order to be competitive withe ps4.

This is the stupidest decision ever. They just killed the Kinect game market completely. No developer will ever bother developing for it now. There's no point. It's now just a waste. So why even buy an Xbox One any more? It's central, defining, differentiating factor has just been gutted.

In an avalanche of dumb moves, this has got to be the dumbest.

"There's no SDK that you need! You've got everything you need if you know how to write apps using the most modern web standards to write amazing apps for the iPhone today. So developers, we think we've got a very sweet story for you. You can begin building your iPhone apps today." - Steve Jobs

"The reason we [won't] make a 7-inch tablet isn't because we don't want to hit [a lower] price point, it's because we think the screen is too small to express the software. As a software driven company, we think about the software strategies first.” - Steve Jobs

"People don't read anymore" - Steve Jobs

"No one's going to buy that, you can't get your hand around it” in reference to phones with screens larger than the then-standard 3.5-inch iPhone screen - Steve Jobs

Stay classy Apple

cuppa.joe said,
"There's no SDK that you need! You've got everything you need if you know how to write apps using the most modern web standards to write amazing apps for the iPhone today. So developers, we think we've got a very sweet story for you. You can begin building your iPhone apps today." - Steve Jobs

"The reason we [won't] make a 7-inch tablet isn't because we don't want to hit [a lower] price point, it's because we think the screen is too small to express the software. As a software driven company, we think about the software strategies first.” - Steve Jobs

"People don't read anymore" - Steve Jobs

"No one's going to buy that, you can't get your hand around it” in reference to phones with screens larger than the then-standard 3.5-inch iPhone screen - Steve Jobs

Stay classy Apple

What's Apple got to do with Xbox?

stevan said,

What's Apple got to do with Xbox?

I am showing how a change can be good for a company. All those things Apple/Steve Jobs said and even though he fought tooth and nail against some of them they changed, and look how great it turned out for their users. Don't we want Microsoft to do good for their users and customers?

cuppa.joe said,

I am showing how a change can be good for a company. All those things Apple/Steve Jobs said and even though he fought tooth and nail against some of them they changed, and look how great it turned out for their users. Don't we want Microsoft to do good for their users and customers?

Of course. This change just sold me on an Xbox One.

What's going on? Everyone told me that would NEVER happen when I said I was waiting for a bundle with the Kinect? :D

So they force a useless bit of kit on people (that don't have their xbox 2 ft away from the tv), don't release an extension cable, and now start selling without the kinect?

Can I send my kinect back to get the difference refunded for this unused/useless bit of kit? I expect I would get better results trying to get blood from a stone.

TonyTheG said,
So they force a useless bit of kit on people (that don't have their xbox 2 ft away from the tv), don't release an extension cable, and now start selling without the kinect?

Can I send my kinect back to get the difference refunded for this unused/useless bit of kit? I expect I would get better results trying to get blood from a stone.

I guess you can still sell it on eBay to people who will buy a kinect-less Xbox and then figure they actually want the Kinect.

Right... 'useless'.. that's why 80% of people actually USE it actively. I for one love my Kinect on my XB1 and am sad they are doing this. As it'll push devs away from using it.

link8506 said,

I guess you can still sell it on eBay to people who will buy a kinect-less Xbox and then figure they actually want the Kinect.


Yeah and you can bet it will be 399 for xbox one and 149.99 for kinect so they will spend more lol

j2006 said,
Right... 'useless'.. that's why 80% of people actually USE it actively. I for one love my Kinect on my XB1 and am sad they are doing this. As it'll push devs away from using it.

Read the comment idiot, I said it was useless to people that dont have their xbox by the tv. A lot of people have the xbox at the back of the room which renders it USELESS as they havnt released an extension cable. If they did I would be able to use it, rendering it useFULL.

It is a mistake because it is effectively the nail in the coffin; developers aren't going to go to lengths to include Kinect support when that addon isn't present on a large number of systems.

Lets face it , even Microsoft couldn't come up with a proper use case for the motion sensor in Kinect. Sure the voice controls are pretty nifty and I suggest they bundle the microphones instead of the cameras which really serves no purpose.

gawicks said,
I don't think so.. People mostly need Kinect for voice. If MS is smart they would do just that and problem solved.
I dont think people realize a vital reason voice is so much better on MS vs Sonys attempt IS KINECT. It uses the camera part to help know when your talking and how your mouth is moving. Just put a cover over your kinect camera and try to give it voice commands. The recognition goes down dramatically. Not to say they cant do something different and be just as good like with cell phones.

deadonthefloor said,

and where would you put the microphone array that is built into kinect?

This isn't rocket science you know. Not to be flippant, but various vendors have built microphones into netbooks and notebooks for ages now -- putting one into the XBox would not, in theory, be any huge deal.

mram said,

This isn't rocket science you know. Not to be flippant, but various vendors have built microphones into netbooks and notebooks for ages now -- putting one into the XBox would not, in theory, be any huge deal.


Except the microphones in the Kinect are no ordinary microphones. And they do more then be responsible for voice commands.

So not only was the Kinect forced on me when I got the Xbox One, now that its optional it will have a lot less uses.

KeR said,
So not only was the Kinect forced on me when I got the Xbox One, now that its optional it will have a lot less uses.

That's my biggest frustration with it. The technology could have been used to have a lot of cool integrations with games, but now that every xb1 owner won't have one even the xbox only game developers won't necessarily want to use it to much.

techbeck said,
MS is losing touch with the people.

Personally, sounds more like getting back in touch to be honest. Doing things that should have been done to begin with, fixing past mistakes.

techbeck said,
All this back tracking with XBOX and Windows....MS is losing touch with the people.

listening to users' feedback and opinion means Microsoft is losing touch with the people?

seems to me that you are losing touch with logic.

link8506 said,
listening to users' feedback and opinion means Microsoft is losing touch with the people?

seems to me that you are losing touch with logic.

If they were intouch with what users want, they would of released products correctly to begin with. There were a lot of things people complained about with Win8/X1 before it was released that MS ignored. Now they are making a bunch of changes to satisfy those users.

I wouldnt call releasing a product and then doing a bunch of back tracking MS being in touch with the users. I called it a "Ahh ####" moment on MS.

techbeck said,

If they were intouch with what users want, they would of released products correctly to begin with. There were a lot of things people complained about with Win8/X1 before it was released that MS ignored. Now they are making a bunch of changes to satisfy those users.

I wouldnt call releasing a product and then doing a bunch of back tracking MS being in touch with the users. I called it a "Ahh ####" moment on MS.

they did listen to people before the Xbox one was released when they decided to remove online DRM restrictions (although I'd have prefered they didn't, because it caused some nice family sharing features to be removed as well).

as for the kinect, consumers didn't say massively that they don't want the Kinect.

however, people are voting with their wallets, and they are often choosing cheaper products. So Microsoft is adapting.

Anyway, people will have the choice to buy it later, if they felt $499 was too much to spend at once.

techbeck said,
All this back tracking with XBOX and Windows....MS is losing touch with the people.

So when your beloved Google cancels a service or makes sweeping changes in Google+, are they also out of touch?

Enron said,
So when your beloved Google cancels a service or makes sweeping changes in Google+, are they also out of touch?

Beloved Google? Seriously? I use and prefer way more MS products that Google's but what ever makes it easier to try and proove your point.

According to most here, G+ is crap and no one uses it or cares about it. So you are comparing a service which not many really care about to a popular service that lots care about. So naturally, the one that people care about will get more attention and user blow back.

Oh, and maybe you missed my rant about Google Docs in The Soapbox...but that is ok :)

Edited by techbeck, May 13 2014, 5:04pm :

MikeChipshop said,
It's called 'flexibility'

Flexibility, now. The should have kept to their same model and the X1 would have been received better and had more sales. I know lots of people who wanted an X1, but not the added cost of the Kinect. And for many, using and X1 is like downgrading since it is missing important features from the 360. Yes, MS is slowly adding them back in but if they were there to begin with, the X1 would be doing better now.

techbeck said,

Flexibility, now. The should have kept to their same model and the X1 would have been received better and had more sales. I know lots of people who wanted an X1, but not the added cost of the Kinect. And for many, using and X1 is like downgrading since it is missing important features from the 360. Yes, MS is slowly adding them back in but if they were there to begin with, the X1 would be doing better now.

Which is what i'm saying.

Oh my. Now we are full circle. Every fany annoucement and statement on E3 has been backtracked upon.

Make you wonder what kind of bad management MS had the previous years. They backtracked on every major decision in every product line: return of the start menu, kinectless xbox one, notification center in WP8.1, Office on iPad.

They finally saw the light and saw that listening to customers generates $$$$$$ in this era.

I know the names. But I still wonder how they can be so out of touch with the consumer market. You have to find a balance between innovation and giving users what THEY want. Not what you think it is best for them.

All that money they lost these past years, reversing stuff and reprogramming stuff they backtracked, failed marketing, ... it on must be millions

Asurax said,
I know the names. But I still wonder how they can be so out of touch with the consumer market. You have to find a balance between innovation and giving users what THEY want. Not what you think it is best for them.

All that money they lost these past years, reversing stuff and reprogramming stuff they backtracked, failed marketing, ... it on must be millions

Considering they have made record revenu, they can afford to loose a bit here and there.

I see ballmer gets the blame, even though the previous CEO (Gates) never even approached the money Microsoft made under Ballmer, not even close actually.

Horrible decision.... if you have to take the hit and just drop the price. This all but nuters kinect and guarantees it will never gain mass adoption.

nickcruz said,

Simple minded fools like you are the reason we can't have the future.

Kinect is the future and Microsoft are becoming too pleasant to the bitching of the few for no reason at all. This is like having the first iphone with no touch screen. It cripples it.

Terrible analogy... How exactly does a lack of Kinect cripple it? Drama much?

greenwizard88 said,
It crippled the non-gaming functionality.

Which plenty of people don't care for in the slightest.

mrp04 said,

Which plenty of people don't care for in the slightest.

They dont care because current voice commands are limited and Cortana will fix this. Cortland on beta is great and more responsive. This would fix those issues. Going about removing Kinect only discourage Developers. Not a good idea to remove Kinect. But remember no other technology does what Kinect can do.

greenwizard88 said,
It crippled the non-gaming functionality.

For example? The only things that could be crippled are things that the Kinect can do that a controller can't, but that is a very small list. You can hardly consider that "crippling".

nickcruz said,

They dont care because current voice commands are limited and Cortana will fix this. Cortland on beta is great and more responsive. This would fix those issues. Going about removing Kinect only discourage Developers. Not a good idea to remove Kinect. But remember no other technology does what Kinect can do.

No, they don't care because they simply just do not care for the extra bells and whistles. I seriously put my Kinect back into the box after 1 day and didn't take it out until I started working out with Xbox Fitness 2 months later. I don't use voice commands, I don't flail my arms in games, I don't turn my head to move the camera. None of that ####.

jagowar said,
Horrible decision.... if you have to take the hit and just drop the price. This all but nuters kinect and guarantees it will never gain mass adoption.
I agree its stupid and its making me look dumb for a number of post i made lol. However I think lower the price down to 399 alone would not get rid of the idiot screaming about paying for kinect when they dont want to have pay for it.

mrp04 said,

No, they don't care because they simply just do not care for the extra bells and whistles. I seriously put my Kinect back into the box after 1 day and didn't take it out until I started working out with Xbox Fitness 2 months later. I don't use voice commands, I don't flail my arms in games, I don't turn my head to move the camera. None of that ####.

Just curious if you use the TV features? I use the voice commands a lot and the other major feature is controlling the tv via controller or xbox because the IR blaster is in the kinect so that will be gone for those that dont buy it with kinect. Disabling of controller when it sees it set down and no one in the room. Auto activating of new controllers when presented in front of kinect. And game time codes via kinect are a lifesaver. Auto login when me or my wife walk into the room. I also would miss saying xbox on and it turning all my equipment on at once or off for that matter. Those just a few of the features kinect provides that i can think of just off the top of my head. I know for the most part its convenience but thats a biggie to me. Its not all about flailing arms.

Houtei said,
Just curious if you use the TV features? I use the voice commands a lot and the other major feature is controlling the tv via controller or xbox because the IR blaster is in the kinect so that will be gone for those that dont buy it with kinect. Disabling of controller when it sees it set down and no one in the room. Auto activating of new controllers when presented in front of kinect. And game time codes via kinect are a lifesaver. Auto login when me or my wife walk into the room. I also would miss saying xbox on and it turning all my equipment on at once or off for that matter. Those just a few of the features kinect provides that i can think of just off the top of my head. I know for the most part its convenience but thats a biggie to me. Its not all about flailing arms.

Nope no TV features, don't subscribe to cable TV, it's a huge ripoff. Plus it's just pass-through anyways.

Disabling controller when it's set down? I set it down on the table anyways, won't be accidentally activated.

Auto switching controllers? Meh. It's a cool concept but it isn't 100% reliable. The old 360 method with the lights so you know which controller is which player was more reliable.

Codes? You mean XBL codes? I buy 1-year codes. I don't mind typing 20 characters in once a year.

Auto login? We had that, and it didn't need a camera to work. I'm the only one who uses my Xbox. Auto login on 360 was better because it ALWAYS AUTO LOGGED IN. Kinect auto login fails 1/4 of the time.

When I play my XB1 I grab the controller to play. Hitting the guide button to turn it on works fine.

The cost of the Kinect just isn't worth it to me. MAYBE if the features accurately worked 99% of the time and maybe if I actually wasted my money and time with cable TV I'd think otherwise.

mrp04 said,

Nope no TV features, don't subscribe to cable TV, it's a huge ripoff. Plus it's just pass-through anyways.

Disabling controller when it's set down? I set it down on the table anyways, won't be accidentally activated.

Auto switching controllers? Meh. It's a cool concept but it isn't 100% reliable. The old 360 method with the lights so you know which controller is which player was more reliable.

Codes? You mean XBL codes? I buy 1-year codes. I don't mind typing 20 characters in once a year.

Auto login? We had that, and it didn't need a camera to work. I'm the only one who uses my Xbox. Auto login on 360 was better because it ALWAYS AUTO LOGGED IN. Kinect auto login fails 1/4 of the time.

When I play my XB1 I grab the controller to play. Hitting the guide button to turn it on works fine.

The cost of the Kinect just isn't worth it to me. MAYBE if the features accurately worked 99% of the time and maybe if I actually wasted my money and time with cable TV I'd think otherwise.

Disabling of controllers is more for wasted battery and i know its not a biggie

The controller activating part i actually meant if i goto the store and buy a new one or my friend brings his it will auto work on my xbox when the kinect sees it and you turn it on. But what you said also.

Code I really meant MS points or cash now. I dont use credit cards and prefer to get 50 Dollar cards and what not to purchase all my digital games. Something I do pretty often for xbox video and game purchase and its a hassle inputting all those codes.

Auto login yeah its fine is you are the sole user but i have 3 users in my house with me my wife and my son and all have different preferences and choices we like.

Yeah I use the guide button to turn it on a lot as well but without kinect i ALSO have to find my tv remote in the morning and my satellite because it turns them on at the same time.

Houtei said,
Disabling of controllers is more for wasted battery and i know its not a biggie

The controller activating part i actually meant if i goto the store and buy a new one or my friend brings his it will auto work on my xbox when the kinect sees it and you turn it on. But what you said also.

Code I really meant MS points or cash now. I dont use credit cards and prefer to get 50 Dollar cards and what not to purchase all my digital games. Something I do pretty often for xbox video and game purchase and its a hassle inputting all those codes.

Auto login yeah its fine is you are the sole user but i have 3 users in my house with me my wife and my son and all have different preferences and choices we like.

Yeah I use the guide button to turn it on a lot as well but without kinect i ALSO have to find my tv remote in the morning and my satellite because it turns them on at the same time.

And this is why I like having it as an OPTION. I personally do not care for it. You do. That's great, but I was forced to buy one. I wouldn't have bought one if I didn't have to in order to get my XB1. Let it sell on merit, not by being forced into the box with every XB1.

mrp04 said,

And this is why I like having it as an OPTION. I personally do not care for it. You do. That's great, but I was forced to buy one. I wouldn't have bought one if I didn't have to in order to get my XB1. Let it sell on merit, not by being forced into the box with every XB1.

You are not force to buy anything. Are you forced to buy a controller which you need play games? what Microsoft was building with Kinect is the future and the part that they had bundle it with the system ensure that people get familiar with it. This is the stupidiest decision I have seen them make. The should have never unbundle the system to try to catch up to sony. They just need to improve on the current technology Ala Cortana integration and the decision makers became short sighted because of the screams of the few very loud mouth. Xbox One was still selling very well. They didn't need to do this.

nickcruz said,

You are not force to buy anything. Are you forced to buy a controller which you need play games? what Microsoft was building with Kinect is the future and the part that they had bundle it with the system ensure that people get familiar with it. This is the stupidiest decision I have seen them make. The should have never unbundle the system to try to catch up to sony. They just need to improve on the current technology Ala Cortana integration and the decision makers became short sighted because of the screams of the few very loud mouth. Xbox One was still selling very well. They didn't need to do this.

You need and WANT the controller to play games. The Kinect is not necessary for any of the good games, they all work fine with it unplugged. It was something they made me purchase in November in order to get an XB1.

mrp04 said,

You need and WANT the controller to play games. The Kinect is not necessary for any of the good games, they all work fine with it unplugged. It was something they made me purchase in November in order to get an XB1.

I kinda don't. I would MUCH rather have real interactions with my games that a dpad/stick and some buttons. That was the premise behind kinect but sadly it looks like it was too forward thinking and we will go back to the old and broken system for a few more decades until somebody can come in and show everybody how to do it properly and actually move gaming forward.

mrp04 said,
You need and WANT the controller to play games. The Kinect is not necessary for any of the good games, they all work fine with it unplugged. It was something they made me purchase in November in order to get an XB1.

At launch I would agree.
However game devs could do things like tailor the difficulty of the game on the fly by gauging your reaction, heart rate, etc. This type of functionality will never be incorporated into a game now.

jagowar said,

I kinda don't. I would MUCH rather have real interactions with my games that a dpad/stick and some buttons. That was the premise behind kinect but sadly it looks like it was too forward thinking and we will go back to the old and broken system for a few more decades until somebody can come in and show everybody how to do it properly and actually move gaming forward.

Have you actually used a Kinect 2.0? It's not reliable to be the primary control method unless it's a very simple game. And they'll still make gimmicky simple games for Kinect.

AAA titles would have used Kinect as bolt-on functionality at best either way.

I wonder now what would be the lure to buy inferior next gen console for the same amount of money or the price that their superior competitior has? With Kinect bundled MS had some leverage in features, now that is gone too, along with performance/design..etc.

The only reason to buy either console is because of the games, and that hasn't changed. It doesn't matter which one is more "powerful" if it doesn't have the games you want.

Naturally You are correct, but let's say both consoles will have the same quality of games, and the library for both of these is still immature and You can't make now a decision involving the quality of releases for either of them.

Yogurth said,
I wonder now what would be the lure to buy inferior next gen console for the same amount of money or the price that their superior competitior has? With Kinect bundled MS had some leverage in features, now that is gone too, along with performance/design..etc.

even without Kinect, Xbox One is still the best choice.

-hdmi-input to plug your TV decoder and switch easily from games to TV content.
-better apps than the PS4 for video on demand and live TV.

overall, the OS is better, and will soon provide a public app store.

the difference in performance between the ps4 and the Xbox one is pretty small, but the Xbox one uses less electricity and makes less noise than the ps4 on the other hand.

and of course, there are games. Things like Halo, Titanfall that you won't find on ps4.

I'm not sure about what You've said about TV is true as I do not own XBox One, but in the article it has been stated that Kinect-less version of Xbox One will not have TV functionality.

IceBreakerG said,
The only reason to buy either console is because of the games, and that hasn't changed. It doesn't matter which one is more "powerful" if it doesn't have the games you want.

That's only true if the games you want are the few console exclusives. Most games aren't console exclusives anymore though, maybe TIMED exclusives but console exclusives are pretty rare. If most games you want to play run on both you're probably going to want to get the one they run better on. Unless you just REALLY like Ryse or Halo (except Halo isn't by Bungie anymore so Destiny is more Halo vNext than anything by 343 Industries and it is cross platform)

Yogurth said,
I'm not sure about what You've said about TV is true as I do not own XBox One, but in the article it has been stated that Kinect-less version of Xbox One will not have TV functionality.

currently, Kinect can be used to send infrared commands to set top boxes, and to turn on/off TV and audio decoders.

if you unplug Kinect, you can still use the tv input from the Xbox, and you can even plug in an external infrared dongle to command your set top box or TV without Kinect.

of course, voice recognition will not work without Kinect, but you'll still be able to command tv through the Xbox one remote control on the kinect-less Xbox one.

Can't speak for anyone else, but for me the games will be similar quality between the systems to the point I won't notice the difference without looking at console vs console side by side. In general I doubt many went with xbox specifically for the kinect hardware.

It's all the other things that pushed me towards xbox in the first place, and none of those are changing.

techbeck said,
Funny and highly expected.

I don't think Microsoft is laughing. If anything, the decision shows how bad are Xbox One sales compared to PS4 and where will the developers look for their "exclusives" deals.

Yogurth said,

I don't think Microsoft is laughing. If anything, the decision shows how bad are Xbox One sales compared to PS4 and where will the developers look for their "exclusives" deals.

Yep, this shows a potential losing of developer support problem. But is this the right way to fix it?

techbeck said,
This decision shows how bad previous decisions from MS are.

Pretty much, but at least they're changing it up a bit. I'll probably buy one now.

Yogurth said,

I don't think Microsoft is laughing. If anything, the decision shows how bad are Xbox One sales compared to PS4 and where will the developers look for their "exclusives" deals.


I'm sorry but Xbox One is selling really good; just not as good as the competition.

Jarrichvdv said,

I'm sorry but Xbox One is selling really good; just not as good as the competition.

I respect your opinion and all, but I highly doubt Microsoft is content with their position. Otherwise, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Complacency is for losers, whether it's your personal life or business life.

dead.cell said,

I respect your opinion and all, but I highly doubt Microsoft is content with their position. Otherwise, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Complacency is for losers, whether it's your personal life or business life.

They really need to get released in more countries. I think that's a huge reason why Sony is leaving them in the dust.

Lord Method Man said,
Why? Is your Xbox One and Kinect going to stop working?

cybersaurusrex said,
Why shafted? You got what you paid for. It's not like they're giving away the Kinect sensor now.

Because like me he probably didn't even want a Kinect, and had to pay an extra $100 to get an xbox.

McKay said,

Because like me he probably didn't even want a Kinect, and had to pay an extra $100 to get an xbox.

Consoles get cheaper and come in budget bundles after being released for a period of time. News at 11.

Did people feel shafted when the 360 Arcade model was released?

Im sure somewhere somebody who didn't want a harddrive did. But Microsoft said the Kinect was an "integral" part of the Xbox and would never be unbundled. So people who didn't want one saw no choice but to buy the complete package.

Mathachew said,
As an Xbox One owner, I'm not happy about this one bit. I feel shafted.

Same here, I don't really use the kinect as I simply don't have the space to use it. Its sat here collecting dust since launch day, sure when it wants to recognise me it will sign me in, however I would be more than happy if my profile just signed in by default.

The reason why i feel shafted is that there will be no incentive to put in kinnect features or make kinnect games, without the kinnect being mandatory developers will go for the lowest common denominator, there isn't many good kinnect examples at the moment but like all new things it takes a bit of time to come up with ideas.

REM2000 said,
.....

^THIS!!!!!!

I feel shafted too. There goes the chance of any AAA titles being made with Kinect fucntionality. Microsoft just killed one of the best peripherals they ever made.
Time to bring the purple packaging to XBOX ONE as well.

Terrible decision.

Lord Method Man said,
Why? Is your Xbox One and Kinect going to stop working?

No, now Kinect is worth a lot less because devs can't be sure if a console will have one or not, so why add dev time for a peripheral that may or may not be present?

Yeah dumb move. Should have just dropped the price and taken the hit.

webdev511 said,

No, now Kinect is worth a lot less because devs can't be sure if a console will have one or not, so why add dev time for a peripheral that may or may not be present?

Yeah dumb move. Should have just dropped the price and taken the hit.

Why were they not adding dev time for the peripheral beforehand?

Mathachew said,
As an Xbox One owner, I'm not happy about this one bit. I feel shafted.

I am at a loss as to how you can feel "shafted".

Lamp0 said,

I am at a loss as to how you can feel "shafted".

Because he was essentially tricked into paying $100 for a Kinect, because Microsoft were adamant it would never get unbundled because it was an "integral part"

McKay said,
... tricked into paying $100 for a Kinect,....

Quite the opposite actually. It's not about the money, it's about the lack of innovative gaming experiences.

Unbundling the Kinect sensor means that developers have 0 incentive to create said experiences.

McKay said,

Because he was essentially tricked into paying $100 for a Kinect, because Microsoft were adamant it would never get unbundled because it was an "integral part"

I see. So what you are saying is that there was an internal conspiracy within Microsoft to initially include the Kinect, & then to publicly talk it up as if it would forever be an integral part of the system so as to trick consumers into buying the system, until they then dumped the Kinect to lower the price?

there was a difference in size of storage. here there is a kinect that is way more useless to people than storage would/could be.

Mathachew said,
As an Xbox One owner, I'm not happy about this one bit. I feel shafted.

I agree, but I assume for different reasons...

With the XBox not being a guaranteed accessory in each box, what development we could have seen go to creating new and exciting uses for the sensor in games just went out the window. Just like other accessories, no game developer is going to commit the resources to creating new experiences that require a sensor that may or may not be there...

Much of the potential the XBox platform had this generation just disappeared.

Lord Method Man said,
Why? Is your Xbox One and Kinect going to stop working?

Further news today are already saying MS is about to redesign it to be less dependant on a Kinect. I guess we can see where this is going and why this decision is a problem for Kinect fans...

(IT'S BEING PHASED OUT FROM THE PLATFORM)

McKay said,

Because like me he probably didn't even want a Kinect, and had to pay an extra $100 to get an xbox.


I would also imagine this has to do with the upcoming china release and not being able to fully support the language or different variants on language within countries. So they probably decided to release a budget bundle everywhere and not just sell the chimes in without Kinect because all you whiners would also whine about that

McKay said,
Im sure somewhere somebody who didn't want a harddrive did. But Microsoft said the Kinect was an "integral" part of the Xbox and would never be unbundled. So people who didn't want one saw no choice but to buy the complete package.

What did you expect MS to say, really?

"Yes, we could have sold them separately. We are doing this to continue the monopolistic bundling practices we got sued for back in 2001 by unfairly bundling IE with Windows and not giving consumers the choice. We figure the world has forgotten about that, and we can proceed with what worked before."

;)