PlayStation 4 trounces Xbox One in January US sales [Update]

Microsoft has released its regular press statement regarding the NPD's U.S. sales figures for the previous month, but the company has chosen not to quantify the sales of Xbox One, likely indicating it wasn't the best-selling console for January.

Yusuf Mehdi, Microsoft's corporate vice president of marketing and strategy for Xbox, published a blog post on Xbox Wire noting the Xbox line sold the most games of all console lines with 2.27 million units sold, including both Xbox 360 and Xbox One titles. That figure accounted for 47 percent of the total console software sales. Mehdi didn't clarify Xbox One's software figures, however, only writing that "U.S. consumers [have purchased] an average of 2.7 games per console since launch." Also absent from the post were any hardware figures for either Xbox console.

Mehdi said Xbox games accounted for five of the top 10 best-selling titles for the month, though this fact was again not broken down by Xbox console. Other, more random statistics were also provided, such as the fact that more than a million people have used Skype on Xbox One.

It's unlikely the Xbox One was the best-selling console for the month, as Microsoft would have touted that fact as it did last month, when it bragged about selling an industry-leading 908,000 units in December. Microsoft later announced it sold a cumulative total of 3.9 million Xbox One consoles during its previous fiscal quarter. Sony has yet to release its regular monthly response to the NPD's figures, though it likely won the month as Nintendo's Wii U has significantly lagged behind its next-generation console peers.

The year's early months typically serve as a lull in console sales, though Microsoft will have two well-known titles set for release relatively soon, with "Titanfall" scheduled for a March 11 release and "Kinect Sports Rivals" scheduled for an April 8 release.

Update: Sony has confirmed it sold significantly more PlayStation 4 units than the Xbox One, according to gaming journalist Geoff Keighley.

Sony's statement to Keighley notably also lacks numbers, possibly indicating it was a down month for the industry as a whole.

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PS4 undoubtedly is a great piece of hardware but my perception is that the One has better games now plus great voice controls. I wonder if the price is the main factor.

patseguin said,
PS4 undoubtedly is a great piece of hardware but my perception is that the One has better games now plus great voice controls. I wonder if the price is the main factor.

Price is one of the factors, good press, and the Smart TV's.

No one care for the features Xbox One offers because A.) Chances are people with decent disposable income would have already bought a Smart TV B) The TV features....you can get that for FREE from your cable/satellite provider. Just ask yourself the question, why doesn't every household who pays for TV programming not using a Tivo? C) All that extra content......Why do people have to pay $40-$60 (Xbox Live Gold) just to access it?

Can get a feeling from big titles like Battlefield 4

Current players this moment:
PC 50,999
PS3 54,051
PS4 42,326
XBOX360 27,689
XBOXONE 23,390

ExplodingKnees said,
Can get a feeling from big titles like Battlefield 4

Current players this moment:
PC 50,999
PS3 54,051
PS4 42,326
XBOX360 27,689
XBOXONE 23,390

Ouch. That's almost double on the Playstation platforms. No wonder MS is too embarrassed to admit any numbers.

SteveZ said,

Ouch. That's almost double on the Playstation platforms. No wonder MS is too embarrassed to admit any numbers.

Here are "weekend numbers" with it being early evening in North/South America and still reasonable time in Europe:


PC 55,517
PS3 52,374
PS4 69,585
XBOX360 50,697
XBOXONE 37,398

I wonder how many PS4s Sony will sell next week when it comes out in Japan!

Also funny to see so many Xbox lovers now saying "it isn't the number of *consoles* sold but the number of *games*!!" hehe. Just accept it that in January the PS4 sold more. Who really cares?!

you can't yet tell who won the battle cause am still waiting for Xbox One to arrive in my country and there is so many peoples like me around the world, if you want to buy one in my country now it will cost you over 800$ while the PS4 costs 600$ because its not yet officially released here.

Not suprising. The Xbox One has failed in public opinion. They made it weaker and more expensive than the PS4 and charge you to use features like netflix and amazon prime.

Weaker? We're still 2-3 years away at the very least from well-optimized games for either console, so the reality about the supposed hardware differences is not going to be known till then no matter how much internet "experts" pontificate endlessly. Even game devs were discovering new things to optimize well into the previous gen's lifecycle.

More expensive? Definitely, and will make a difference in terms of sales.

Failed in public opinion? Don't exaggerate. If you're a Sony fanboy you might love to see this happen but it won't so you can keep dreaming. BTW I'm a PS4 owner too and eventually will get the One, just can't afford it right now.

Lets be honest here for majority of the people out there the 100 dollar difference is a huge roadblock and it will continue to be a issue for Microsoft. I understand that most people here on Neowin think that the Kinect is worth the price difference, but lets be honest, the Neowin user base is hardly representative of the general population.

I agree. Any way you look at it $100 is going to make a difference to sales, especially when you get to countries where the exchange rate makes the difference even larger. Given the price difference I don't see the XB1 ever catching up to the PS4 unless they release a cheaper version that people love.

KeR said,
Lets be honest here for majority of the people out there the 100 dollar difference is a huge roadblock and it will continue to be a issue for Microsoft. I understand that most people here on Neowin think that the Kinect is worth the price difference, but lets be honest, the Neowin user base is hardly representative of the general population.

Agreed. That said, MS will hopefully get its butt into high gear. Look at how Sony turned around in a generation... They certainly have room to get more aggressive with their offerings, including but not limited to $100 price drops via hardware subsidization (I believe both systems are sold at cost this go around).

Chikairo said,

They certainly have room to get more aggressive with their offerings, including but not limited to $100 price drops via hardware subsidization (I believe both systems are sold at cost this go around).
They can't go on selling their consoles at a loss (the XBox division might be making a profit now but overall since the beginning has lost a lot of money for them).

I care much less about who "wins the numbers game" than I do about whether or not they sell enough to keep that aspect of the business viable. I am a PC gamer exclusively. I bought the Xbox One for all the OTHER things it can do for me, so I have a vested interest in it improving and expanding as the main interface for everything in my home. I could not care less about games since I don't play them on my Xbox One.

speaking as someone how never signs upto the numbers games (unless we are talking about short term market penetration, mindshare), and an xbox one owner, I really don't see details like this mattering. The console market is a marathon not a sprint, and figures and positions will fluctuate constantly I feel.

Its all about what is available at the time people walk into stores, and what is being said at that time about said consoles. If a big update comes out which brings big performance improvements and features for one, along with a killer app (game) then we'll most likely see a massive change in the numbers.

Its an 8 year race, and tbh its not really a race at all, because so long as your making money from the ecosystem how does it matter that someone else is doing better/worse?

It seems this sort of stuff only matters to people that for some reason have attached a religious like status to one manufacturer or another (or one plastic box or another), and treat these numbers as though its a benefit to them in anyway, when there is no difference made to their lives regardless of the numbers.

I like the xbox one, and I'm sure the PS4 is a great machine also, and if you have fun with either then good for you. Imagine walking into peoples houses and starting an argument about toaster brand sales figures which obviously mean your toaster is the winner?

ITS MADDNESS!

Congrats Sony. Sales of the PS4 are exceptional. But I still give props to Microsoft. Still managing to put up decent numbers despite the One costing $500 (a lot of loot in today's horrid economic world). The PS4 is a darn good gaming machine, at a tolerable price point.

So congrats to both companies...

No they are not Both consoles suck....Sony just had their cut to step above junk. Both consoles are not doing terrible in the grand scheme of things.

Drop that price Microsoft! Many users will hate me for saying this, but Kinect should be an optional purchase if it will make the Xbox One compete dollar for dollar with the PS4. There are many users who just want to turn their console on and play a game using only a controller.

JHBrown said,
Drop that price Microsoft! Many users will hate me for saying this, but Kinect should be an optional purchase if it will make the Xbox One compete dollar for dollar with the PS4. There are many users who just want to turn their console on and play a game using only a controller.

Many readers don't like you for your trollish comments. Kinetics the future and should not be removed.

nickcruz said,

Many readers don't like you for your trollish comments. Kinetics the future and should not be removed.

He only expressed his opinion in the same way you did, but with civility. You on the other hand, are the 'troll'. If in the barest sense a troll is a troublemaker, then you'd fit that description perfectly.

My goodness, people have become so ridiculously sensitive - can't a man express himself and not be labeled a 'troll'? If you don't like what he said, then I suggest you run back to mommy and ask her for a hug.

One of the core essence of freedom is acceptance, even if it's "trollish." We need to agree to disagree in a civil manner, and not rush to conclusions about one another.

JHBrown said,
Drop that price Microsoft! Many users will hate me for saying this, but Kinect should be an optional purchase if it will make the Xbox One compete dollar for dollar with the PS4. There are many users who just want to turn their console on and play a game using only a controller.

I very much agree. I have little interest in Kinect or PS Eye type accessories right now. They are mostly still a gimmick that don't add (or likewise lose without) anything amazing to games right now. Better use of voice recognition and voice commands would be more useful, and that doesn't require camera. I understand bundling it so devs KNOW that everyone has one, but it WILL cost MS this generation with the added cost.

Definitely. Drop the worthless Kinect. Developers won't be using it anyway now that MS is freeing up the resources reserved for it in order to compete with the PS4's horsepower.

PS4 was #1 in sales for next gen consoles in January, nearly doubling the nearest next gen competitor.

...and it's not even out in Japan yet.
Go PS4!
And the Wii U needs to hurry up on its heavy hitters!

Tha Bloo Monkee said,

...and it's not even out in Japan yet.
Go PS4!
And the Wii U needs to hurry up on its heavy hitters!

Ra! Ra! Ra!

*no offense*

So a small update in the news (tree lines) and the title changes radically and dramatically? It's like he was writing the article, hoping, wishing in his heart that the information given in the update would take place shortly after. In a way, the title change is like a big fat "told you so".

*no offense*

The market for game consoles is like the market for razors. Its not how many razors you sell, it's how many razor blades you sell that counts.

And on that count, according to the January 2014 figures you cite, Xbox One is way, way ahead of the PS4 in terms of the number of razor blades (oops, games) it sold.

The fact is in the long run you can't sell razor blades if you don't sell razors.

Both consoles just got released. The difference between the number of units sold it not big enough to matter right now. But if the trend continue it will matter eventually. Devs will focus on the console with significantly more units sold. It has always been this way and like it or not it will continue to be this way. When a console has a clear advantage in marketshare (potential sales) it's logical to optimize the game for it. Once devs start to focus on a console there's no turning back as multiplatform owners will buy multilatform games for that console.

If the trend continue MS will need to take actions to change that by securing exclusive AAA titles with the infamous money hat like they did with the xbox (in the first 3 or 4 months the GC was selling more than the XBox).

Ian Easson said,
The market for game consoles is like the market for razors. Its not how many razors you sell, it's how many razor blades you sell that counts.

And on that count, according to the January 2014 figures you cite, Xbox One is way, way ahead of the PS4 in terms of the number of razor blades (oops, games) it sold.

No it's not! As Microsoft have released Xbox 360 and Xbox One game sales COMBINED! Certainly in the UK PS4 games are selling more than Xbox One, Tomb Raider is selling in ratio of 2:1 in favour of PS4 here.

LaP said,
The fact is in the long run you can't sell razor blades if you don't sell razors.

Not to mention that games, unlike razors, are certainly not all the same. I'll give it to Microsoft for having a decent line up for launch, but that'd be like me saying catfish is better than salmon when I don't like seafood to begin with.

dead.cell said,

Not to mention that games, unlike razors, are certainly not all the same. I'll give it to Microsoft for having a decent line up for launch, but that'd be like me saying catfish is better than salmon when I don't like seafood to begin with.

Insanity!

Salmon is way better than catfish.

hobsgrg said,

No it's not! As Microsoft have released Xbox 360 and Xbox One game sales COMBINED! Certainly in the UK PS4 games are selling more than Xbox One, Tomb Raider is selling in ratio of 2:1 in favour of PS4 here.

Retail, but Xbox owners are buying more digital than playstation owners. especially with MS re-introducing the family sharing down the line.

NoClipMode said,
Click bait headline.

How so? Selling nearly twice as many consoles as your competitor is trouncing them, I'd say -- and I'm saying that as a happy Xbox One owner.

Anthony Tosie said,

How so? Selling nearly twice as many consoles as your competitor is trouncing them, I'd say -- and I'm saying that as a happy Xbox One owner.

Trouncing is a word kids use. But then, this is Neowin.

Anyway, congrats to Sony for a great sales period.

ZipZapRap said,

Trouncing is a word kids use. But then, this is Neowin.

Anyway, congrats to Sony for a great sales period.


No, it's really not. Here are two Associated Press articles using "trouncing" or another version of the word in the headline:
http://bigstory.ap.org/article...ounces-culver-stockton-56-0
http://summergames.ap.org/arti...pics-trounce-glee-bolt-rope

They also have used it countless times in the body of articles, such as stories about a politician trouncing his or her opponent.

Additionally, don't think that because you're on a news item instead of the forums that you're free to insult editors or the site.

Andre S. said,
[snipped]

It's not speculation. As a publicly traded company, Sony would be in hot water for lying to a journalist about sales figures if it did. Geoff Keighley is a respected and reputable source, and news outlets routinely cite respected sources. Additionally, Sony said it had the best-selling console in the PS4; I used Keighley's tweet because it provided more information on the sales themselves until Sony provides an official release or statement.

Edited by Andre S., Feb 14 2014, 4:04am :

Anthony Tosie said,

No, it's really not. Here are two Associated Press articles using "trouncing" or another version of the word in the headline:

Really, the AP? Read Flat Earth News by Nick Davies if you want a good and accurate portrayal of what the AP actually is. Read: not what you think.
But regardless, in the context you've used it, it's childish, and click bait.

Anthony Tosie said,

Additionally, don't think that because you're on a news item instead of the forums that you're free to insult editors or the site.

I'm 'insulting' now am I? That you took it as an insult was neither my intention nor my concern. I'm not the only one who regularly talks about click baiting on this site with juvenile headlines, am I?

dead.cell said,
About as childish as grown men getting upset over which plastic game machine looks better. Calm down.

True true. At the end of the day, both consoles are selling well, one significantly better than the other for now, allegedly.
And both consoles have an awful games selection currently too, haha.

ZipZapRap said,

Really, the AP? Read Flat Earth News by Nick Davies if you want a good and accurate portrayal of what the AP actually is. Read: not what you think.
But regardless, in the context you've used it, it's childish, and click bait.

I'm 'insulting' now am I? That you took it as an insult was neither my intention nor my concern. I'm not the only one who regularly talks about click baiting on this site with juvenile headlines, am I?


I've read it, actually. Your argument has done absolutely nothing to prove "trounce" is a juvenile word, as there is no substance behind your argument. If you could have proven the word was juvenile with an example from that book, you would have. Additionally, saying the AP is an shoddy service because of Nick Davies' book is a poor takeaway. But if you want to go that route, how about the Davies using "trounces" himself (it's a common word in his vocabulary, and this is but one example of many): http://www.nickdavies.net/1988...icy-and-american-elections/

Yes, you are flame baiting, and yes, you are intentionally insulting Neowin with the attempt to incite a flame war. It's not going to happen. You're free to disagree with us; you're not free to start flinging insults with an attempt to start a flame war.

Anthony Tosie said,

No, it's really not. Here are two Associated Press articles using "trouncing" or another version of the word in the headline:
http://bigstory.ap.org/article...ounces-culver-stockton-56-0
http://summergames.ap.org/arti...pics-trounce-glee-bolt-rope

They also have used it countless times in the body of articles, such as stories about a politician trouncing his or her opponent.

Additionally, don't think that because you're on a news item instead of the forums that you're free to insult editors or the site.


It's not speculation. As a publicly traded company, Sony would be in hot water for lying to a journalist about sales figures if it did. Geoff Keighley is a respected and reputable source, and news outlets routinely cite respected sources. Additionally, Sony said it had the best-selling console in the PS4; I used Keighley's tweet because it provided more information on the sales themselves until Sony provides an official release or statement.

So there are a lot of crappy journalists, that doesn't make it better.

There are also a lot of articles that lead with Xbox selling far more games, which is what is important to game publishers.

Information is knowledge, relevance of information is understanding.

Hahahahaha, trounce is a childish word? I don't know why the fanboy comments on this site still amuse me so much, but they never fail to do so.

Mobius Enigma said,

So there are a lot of crappy journalists, that doesn't make it better.

There are also a lot of articles that lead with Xbox selling far more games, which is what is important to game publishers.

Information is knowledge, relevance of information is understanding.


So what? I feel like you guys are complaining for NOT putting a spin on the article, trying to always place Microsoft in the most positive of light. If OXM and other more Microsoft/Xbox communities can be critical, I don't really see the problem here. They're just articles. You don't have to always agree with them...

Anthony Tosie said,
Yes, you are flame baiting, and yes, you are intentionally insulting Neowin with the attempt to incite a flame war. It's not going to happen. You're free to disagree with us; you're not free to start flinging insults with an attempt to start a flame war.

And use of the unnecessarily emotive "trounce" word wasn't flame-bait? You're going to stand there with a straight face and tell me you didn't make that choice of unusual word with the intention if eliciting a response from Xbox fans?

dead.cell said,

So what? I feel like you guys are complaining for NOT putting a spin on the article, trying to always place Microsoft in the most positive of light. If OXM and other more Microsoft/Xbox communities can be critical, I don't really see the problem here. They're just articles. You don't have to always agree with them...

Read my post, and don't lump my response in with the others.

The article is slightly misleading, as the important information is NOT being told.

The numbers are not in end user sales.

Sony probably did sell a lot more PS4s, but we really don't know. Sony has extra inventory over Microsoft, and they could have simply filled their supply chain more than Microsoft did.

As I stated, the important information is game sales, so if there were more PS4s sold to consumers, why do the game sales not reflect this? Games sales are primarily based off of 'end user sales', as the publishers can directly track the installations.

Considering the PS4 is a 'games focused' device, with fewer multimedia/content Apps and options compared to the Xbox One, if they are selling even the 'same' amount of consoles as the XB1, why are the games sales so low?

Even if we pretend that these numbers are accurate to the 'end user', the contrast to games sales is a major outlier and even more of a concern for game publishers.

The consoles only succeed based on game development support, and if the PS4 isn't getting their customers to buy as much content as the XB1, they have a huge problem.


This isn't about writing an article to change the facts or try to paint Microsoft or Sony in a different light than what the information provides. It is about writing and article with just a 'bit' of understanding beyond sensationalizing the raw numbers without any relevance to what it really means.


I know some people are still trying to get their hands on a PS4 just to secure it for when the games they want to play come out. I know if I had one, I'd just play what's on PS+ since it's what I have for my PS3 already too.

The Xbox One I can pick up any day of the week if I see something that catches my eye. Though, with that in mind, you'd think they'd be stomping Sony in the US if anything. There's no excuse for them not to be, seeing as they don't have the same supply constraints or anything.

The question is how profitable are each of the platforms. Too soon to tell, I'm sure... All that r&d plus marketing costs...

I do hope this rekindles the fire MS had with the 360 at its launch. Granted, some of the folks who launched that system have moved on...

Now they both are playing the numbers game. I'm wondering if this is going to be a 200k PS4, 100k Xbox One DOUBLE difference or are we talking something significant like 600 to 300. It must not be a huge difference since Sony didn't announce their numbers. Maybe they'll give it a few days.

macrosslover said,
Now they both are playing the numbers game. I'm wondering if this is going to be a 200k PS4, 100k Xbox One DOUBLE difference or are we talking something significant like 600 to 300. It must not be a huge difference since Sony didn't announce their numbers. Maybe they'll give it a few days.

numbers out there say ms sold 140k,so nearly double would mean less than 280k. We don't know what the gap was in Dec when ms gave numbers,so since ps4 was more supply constraint in Dec, this could easily explain the gap as would be buyers in Dec had to wait for Jan.

Meh.. Microsoft has so much cash the product will consistently get better every year... Sony on the other hand is a financial nightmare losing cash and may struggle to innovate on the ps4 as time goes on.. they are selling their PC division and other parts of the company..

Exclusive content? Gamers want exclusive content? Dumbest thing I've read all day, no offense man. I don't care what platform I'm playing on, but the second I get something that you don't purely because you you prefer something else is just dumb.

But they will need a lot of exclusives to catch up to the 183 announced PS4 games (vs 108 Xbox One games), and improving the performance still won't allow it to match the PS4. You're right, things could stand to get better for the One, but only time will tell if that's enough to even keep up.

dead.cell said,
Exclusive content? Gamers want exclusive content? Dumbest thing I've read all day, no offense man. I don't care what platform I'm playing on, but the second I get something that you don't purely because you you prefer something else is just dumb.

Its not that gamers want exclusive content necessarily, but it is a byproduct of the console wars.

If neither console had exclusive titles, demand would probably drop off pretty quickly.

dead.cell said,
Exclusive content? Gamers want exclusive content? Dumbest thing I've read all day, no offense man. I don't care what platform I'm playing on, but the second I get something that you don't purely because you you prefer something else is just dumb.

What's dumb is continuing to spout nonsense like this. When you consider that the Xbox is in it for the long game, being an all round entertainment device, that just happens to be a great gaming device too. That decision will pay dividends in the long term, over Sony's almost single-minded focus on raw gaming power only. In such a circumstance, of course people will find exclusive content (Halo TV, etc) appealing.

This is where Microsoft made the mistake. They Opted to go the Entertainment route... They had Xbox 360, a GREAT gaming device. They should have went with that and HAPPENED to throw a great entertainment package in there. Instead, the focused on the entertainment aspect. My tv does everything the xbox one does except for gaming. Why the hell did they focus on what every tv already does? We want GAMES. Not more cable boxes. If the xbox REPLACED cable boxes, It'd be 'slightly' more appealing.

Don't get me wrong, I have a PS4, and I want to get a X1, I just chose the PS4 for the exclusives that they have now, and the upcoming games. It didn't hurt that it was cheaper.

Scraggles said,
We want GAMES. Not more cable boxes. If the xbox REPLACED cable boxes, It'd be 'slightly' more appealing.

Don't get me wrong, I have a PS4, and I want to get a X1, I just chose the PS4 for the exclusives that they have now, and the upcoming games. It didn't hurt that it was cheaper.


But the X1 does have games and games coming up. The issue is not a lack of gaming content. Yes, you could argue that you don't like any of the games that are out or will be out, but you cant apply your game preference to the general public and assume everyone agrees with you.

TCLN Ryster said,
What's dumb is continuing to spout nonsense like this. When you consider that the Xbox is in it for the long game, being an all round entertainment device, that just happens to be a great gaming device too. That decision will pay dividends in the long term, over Sony's almost single-minded focus on raw gaming power only. In such a circumstance, of course people will find exclusive content (Halo TV, etc) appealing.

Your comment almost made sense until you started talking about Sony's focus on raw gaming power. They have a powerful device, yes, but what's there to focus on exactly? It's already built, they just need to make enough PS4s to meet demand... Sony's working on exclusives too so I'm not sure where you get off thinking I'm against the Xbox just because I find the idea of exclusive content to be a bit sour to the taste.

I'm a PC gamer first and foremost. I guess the point I was trying to make is that, as a gamer, I don't sit here going, "Man, I hope none of you get to play all these great games on your consoles!" That's all.

I get that it makes sense for businesses to do exclusive content to give you reason to buy their consoles though; I'm simply speaking on the end of being a customer, not a business owner.

dead.cell said,

I'm a PC gamer first and foremost. I guess the point I was trying to make is that, as a gamer, I don't sit here going, "Man, I hope none of you get to play all these great games on your consoles!" That's all.

I get that it makes sense for businesses to do exclusive content to give you reason to buy their consoles though; I'm simply speaking on the end of being a customer, not a business owner.

The PC also has its share of exclusive games.

A console without exclusives is a non-starter unless you are the only console maker and your only competitor is the pc platform.

Some customers actually value exclusive titles for various reasons, so it can be a real draw. Just look at the internet community to see how many love to mention when a console has more exclusives than another.

dead.cell said,
I know, I'm just saying that I don't sit around hoping for the content to be exclusive to PC, if that makes sense.

That makes sense. I wish everyone felt as you did though. That would save us from a lot of bs.

TCLN Ryster said,

What's dumb is continuing to spout nonsense like this. When you consider that the Xbox is in it for the long game, being an all round entertainment device, that just happens to be a great gaming device too. That decision will pay dividends in the long term, over Sony's almost single-minded focus on raw gaming power only. In such a circumstance, of course people will find exclusive content (Halo TV, etc) appealing.


Uh.....you don't understand. Why buy a $500 Xbox One machine and have all that extra stuff, when you simply already have it on your Sony "smart" TV, Samsung, LG, etc....

Not only that, but for $435 you can get a PS4 + Chromecast. All that un-necessary TV stuff from the Xbox One, Cable and Satellite companies will get it. How do you think the "DVR" came to be? The answer.....TIVO.

I've got a $35 Raspberry Pi with XBMC for all the good stuff, even connects to my PVR and controls it (unlike Xbox One). Doesn't do me much good though now that I cut cable, but still works with OTA anyway.

VictorWho said,

Uh.....you don't understand. Why buy a $500 Xbox One machine and have all that extra stuff, when you simply already have it on your Sony "smart" TV, Samsung, LG, etc....

Not only that, but for $435 you can get a PS4 + Chromecast. All that un-necessary TV stuff from the Xbox One, Cable and Satellite companies will get it. How do you think the "DVR" came to be? The answer.....TIVO.

Why don't you guys just move on. You have no interest in the X1 at all and you insist on arguing the worth of it but you forget that these are all opinions.

We could talk about the specifics of what you may hate or someone else may like, but it ends up no where.

You think the X1 is a rip off, great. Have fun with whatever you do love and let those that feel differently do the same. Some people see value in what MS is trying to do. Its really ok if they do, just as its ok if you don't.

Geezy said,
I've got a $35 Raspberry Pi with XBMC for all the good stuff, even connects to my PVR and controls it (unlike Xbox One). Doesn't do me much good though now that I cut cable, but still works with OTA anyway.


You guys just won't let it go.

There is so little room for different user needs it seems. No one can accept that there are different tastes in how features are offered.

That's cool, but for a system that's supposed to be your preferred solution and make you not switch inputs, it should accomodate those different tastes, don't you think? It should make you not want to bother with other devices by being better than what they offer. Part of that is being able to do stuff like DLNA and DVR a lot better. Or are you saying that they should drop the idea of making it Input 1?

Geezy said,
That's cool, but for a system that's supposed to be your preferred solution and make you not switch inputs, it should accomodate those different tastes, don't you think? It should make you not want to bother with other devices by being better than what they offer. Part of that is being able to do stuff like DLNA and DVR a lot better.

Oh I completely agree. The X1 is not feature mature when it comes to things like dvr and dlna support. The X1 is also receiving updates that will be addressing areas like that, so its something we will revisit each time there is an update.

The idea of being able to buying a gaming console that also has a robust set of media features appeals to me and to many others. So the fact that MS is focusing on improving in that area is a good thing. The X1 is a gaming console that also does other media tasks. Its not perfect or mature at this point, but its a starting point.

They've never waited for Sony when they announced NPD numbers. I'm wondering if Xbox brand combined for 47%, how much did the playstation brand do.

You're right, they never waited.

But unfortunately, the XBOX One will change all this since it will seriously lag behind the PS4. This is why I said that the damage control strategy is engaged.

Until MS releases in more territories, I don't think there will be huge numbers to talk about. They seem to be doing well in the regions they are in though.

trooper11 said,
Until MS releases in more territories, I don't think there will be huge numbers to talk about. They seem to be doing well in the regions they are in though.

The NPD isn't for global sales.

I'm curious, not counting the 13 it's already in, which country will sell a large amount of Ones to make up the difference?

ozzy76 said,
I'm curious, not counting the 13 it's already in, which country will sell a large amount of Ones to make up the difference?

I have no idea, but they are certainly in fewer than the ps4.

Why do people dismiss that as having any impact at all?

trooper11 said,

I have no idea, but they are certainly in fewer than the ps4.

Why do people dismiss that as having any impact at all?

Because they've already released in their home market, which also happens to be their biggest market.

Davo said,

Because they've already released in their home market, which also happens to be their biggest market.

So there is no value in any other market?

Their sales volume isn't going to suddenly increase by releasing in territories where it's bought less or is too expensive to buy. It would be like if the PS4 was doing average numbers despite being out in Japan and wondering if the numbers would turn around by releasing the console in Brazil.

Davo said,
Their sales volume isn't going to suddenly increase by releasing in territories where it's bought less or is too expensive to buy. It would be like if the PS4 was doing average numbers despite being out in Japan and wondering if the numbers would turn around by releasing the console in Brazil.

So your saying that the rest of the territories don't really add any value and that it would not change the ration between the two consoles.

That's cool, I didn't realize that.

stevan said,
They don't really owe it to anyone to announce the numbers every single month.

It was never implied that they had to. They can do whatever they want. But if the Xbox One or Xbox 360 were the best-selling console, you'd bet they would announce it.

Anthony Tosie said,

It was never implied that they had to. They can do whatever they want. But if the Xbox One or Xbox 360 were the best-selling console, you'd bet they would announce it.

"Xbox line sold the most games of ALL CONSOLE lines with 2.27 million units sold"

nickcruz said,

"Xbox line sold the most games of ALL CONSOLE lines with 2.27 million units sold"


Yup, the Xbox line sold the most games of all console lines. That's included in the article. My comment was referring to hardware.

stevan said,
They don't really owe it to anyone to announce the numbers every single month.

I think Microsoft is getting out of the numbers game.. They are somewhat slowing their growth and becoming a mature company.. The numbers game can really destroy companies if their growth stalls. At RIM, they always talked numbers and the growth of their users and it caused their downfall because it was so evident people were switching.

Anthony Tosie said,

It was never implied that they had to. They can do whatever they want. But if the Xbox One or Xbox 360 were the best-selling console, you'd bet they would announce it.

Sony has been pretty scarce with firm numbers too. They like to imply that they're winning, but they rarely support these claims...

M_Lyons10 said,

Sony has been pretty scarce with firm numbers too. They like to imply that they're winning, but they rarely support these claims...

Look at the article update.

Sold to users or shipped to retailers? Sony wasn't able to keep stores stocked, where MS was, so if they're just filling in store shelves they'd be ahead in numbers shipped.

Anthony Tosie said,

Yup, the Xbox line sold the most games of all console lines. That's included in the article. My comment was referring to hardware.

And which do you think is the most important to game developers?

Lachlan said,

I think Microsoft is getting out of the numbers game..

Don't like the numbers = get out of the numbers game. Got it.

HawkMan said,
the article update of one guy saying we sold almost twice as much, but we're not saying any numbers to back it up...

Double is a huge jump in sales.

Really ?

in the month leading up to Xmas, both consoles sold 4-5 million consoles, that's like ~2 million a month, I believe it was ~1 Million in America. I believe in one of the comments here or in the forum thread, it's mentioned that unconfirmed numbers for MS for January is ~180 THOUSAND consoles.

Now, are you REALLY sure "Double is a huge jump in sales" ?

HawkMan said,
Really ?

in the month leading up to Xmas, both consoles sold 4-5 million consoles, that's like ~2 million a month, I believe it was ~1 Million in America. I believe in one of the comments here or in the forum thread, it's mentioned that unconfirmed numbers for MS for January is ~180 THOUSAND consoles.

Now, are you REALLY sure "Double is a huge jump in sales" ?

Key word being unconfirmed. And yes double anything is a huge jump.

It's not double it's "nearly" double. judging by Sony's history we can expect that to be anythign from 60 to 80% more and no more.

either way 10-20% more total sales in one month isn't a huge jump. it's a small jump.

HawkMan said,
It's not double it's "nearly" double. judging by Sony's history we can expect that to be anythign from 60 to 80% more and no more.

either way 10-20% more total sales in one month isn't a huge jump. it's a small jump.

You shouldn't "judge" anything but focus on the facts. How about we judge by this:


Battlefield 4 Current Players:
PC 50,999
PS3 54,051
PS4 42,326
XBOX360 27,689
XBOXONE 23,390

Then we can presume it's double.

Those numbers where actually served up by a sony "fanboy" in the thread but, ok...

Did it occur to you to question why they're not revealing the actual sales numbers ? because January is a #### month for sales, especially compared to the holiday sales.

HawkMan said,
Those numbers where actually served up by a sony "fanboy" in the thread but, ok...

Did it occur to you to question why they're not revealing the actual sales numbers ? because January is a #### month for sales, especially compared to the holiday sales.

They revealed them. Double what Microsoft sold.

Lachlan said,

I think Microsoft is getting out of the numbers game.. They are somewhat slowing their growth and becoming a mature company.. The numbers game can really destroy companies if their growth stalls. At RIM, they always talked numbers and the growth of their users and it caused their downfall because it was so evident people were switching.

I have to disagree, if your not #1 you tend not to disclose more specific information. If the roles were reversed, I would expect Sony to be doing the exact same thing.

nickcruz said,

"Xbox line sold the most games of ALL CONSOLE lines with 2.27 million units sold"


Keep in mind, "Xbox line" refers to ALL Microsoft games. Xbox One, Xbox 360, and the "Xbox for Windows" PC game series. So that doesn't really say anything about Xbox One in particular.