Microsoft urges companies to dump Windows XP

Last July, Microsoft posted up a note on the official Windows blog site that recommended strongly that companies that were still running Windows XP on their PCs to upgrade to Windows 7. This week, during Microsoft's BUILD Conference, company officials were once again pushing for enterprise customers to dump Windows XP. Information Week reports that Microsoft's chief operating officer Kevin Turner told financial analysts this week, "We are end-of-lifing XP and Office 2003 and everything prior, in April 2014."

That date has previously been announced but a large number of companies have still not made the move to upgrade from Windows XP to Windows 7. Turner said, "So for all those companies that have the old products that haven't quite started the refresh, guess what? This has been a great product, XP has been a wonderful product; great TCO has been given. It's now time for it to go." And don't expect Microsoft to offer another extension to XP's life. Turner states, "We're basically giving it a time of death stamp."

While Windows 7 has now been installed in the majority of PCs that are used by individual consumers, most analysts believe that Windows XP, which launched way back in 2001, is still installed on the majority of PCs that are used by businesses. Microsoft hopes that businesses who purchase new PCs, which have Windows 7 pre-installed, will help with this issue. But some analysts believe that a number of companies might decide to use other products, such as Apple's iPad, rather than purchase or upgrade PCs to Windows 7.

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xpclient:

Wow man really?
So I browsed through all of those and I found maybe 1 of them that would of been half decent at most to have. Others where not possible as a standard to have cause of things like filesystem changes and other various issues.
Your making such a fool out of yourself....

Any one not stuck with outdated legacy programs requiring them to run WinXP would be STUPID to actually run WinXP over Win7....

It runs better, it's more secure, it's faster, DX11, Taskbar system with Pins, it doesn't look like an outdated sack of ****.

XP had so many bugs and so much problems with it... Why would you want to keep running it, it makes no sense at all...

Would also like to add in that people saying that OSX looks better and more modern than Win7, wth are you smoking? It's the same damn layout as always, one great example is:
The controlbar in the top thats always stuck there, it makes everything seem stoneage and really its not needed atleast not at all times.

Either way currently Win7 is hands down the best OS.

Sorry, but the author needs to quality "majority of PCs" as the "majority of NEW PCs". XP is still installed on the majority of PCs that are still operational. Many of which have no budget or desire to be upgraded.

hilarious, reading some of the comments here and on tech sites in general these days is always fun if I need a good laugh, it's getting more and more like youtube every day.

Didn't read every post, but don't you think the main reason for MS to urge companies to upgrade is purely for the cash? If the majority of businesses are still running XP, just think of how much cash MS and other companys are missing out on!

If I were a big business and with support until 2014 for XP, I wouldn't upgrade either. Heck, by 2014 Windows 10 or 11 will be out, at the rate MS is going now a days!

cork1958 said,
Didn't read every post, but don't you think the main reason for MS to urge companies to upgrade is purely for the cash? If the majority of businesses are still running XP, just think of how much cash MS and other companys are missing out on!

Every company needs money. What the hell do you expect?
And second, XP is REALLY outdated by now, it's even 10 years old, seriously?

<sarcasm>Yeah, sure. Even if we'll release updates for XP 'till 2014, buy now Windows 7 so next year when we'll launch Windows 8, your "new" Windows will be already obsolete.</sarcasm>

IMO, sounds to me like the best "deal" for companies owning WinXP is to wait until next year and buy Windows 8 when it'll be available, skipping Windows 7 altogether.

They have ANOTHER 2 and a half years to make the switch, if that isn't enough time to get your legacy XP crap updated, then the companies are fools.

My company is beginning the transition finally to Win 7/Office 2010 and it can't come soon enough. The XP machines we have can't handle the workload, they slow down even with defragging. They need reinstalls but that won't happen. I can't wait till it's upgraded, it needed to be done yesterday in my opinion.

SpyderCanopus said,
My legacy server apps don't run in vista or 7. What about me, Microsoft?

Update them or get new ones, do you want Microsoft to support XP forever? would you do it?

Sadelwo said,
XP Mode?

xp mode is crap. no one want maintenance of 2 OSs with 2 sets of Windows updates, 2 sets of anti-malware......

SpyderCanopus said,
My legacy server apps don't run in vista or 7. What about me, Microsoft?

If only there were a way to run legacy programs in a modern OS. Some type of "virtual machine" perhaps. A virtual machine that runs software, we could call it VMware, or how about a Virtual PC or a VirtualBox. I wonder why no one has thought of that?

The best two operating systems Microsoft ever made were Windows 2000 Professional and Windows XP x64 Edition. Unfortunately they were so little supported.

techguy77 said,
The best two operating systems Microsoft ever made were Windows 2000 Professional and Windows XP x64 Edition. Unfortunately they were so little supported.

LOL
XP 64?? That was basically a tech demo/beta for Win7. How exactly was it one of Microsoft's best OSs?
You sound about as clueless as XPclient

ahhell said,

LOL
XP 64?? That was basically a tech demo/beta for Win7. How exactly was it one of Microsoft's best OSs?
You sound about as clueless as XPclient

I ran x64 Vista for years... It worked fine after SP1, what are you talking about?

techguy77 said,
The best two operating systems Microsoft ever made were Windows 2000 Professional and Windows XP x64 Edition. Unfortunately they were so little supported.

XP x64 was just Server 2003...

Windows Vista/7 and 8 offers nothing to make companies switch from Windows XP. Infact as consumer, if DX11 was offer to Windows XP in some form i would be still on Windows XP x64.

techguy77 said,
Windows Vista/7 and 8 offers nothing to make companies switch from Windows XP. Infact as consumer, if DX11 was offer to Windows XP in some form i would be still on Windows XP x64.

- new, more usable GUI(pinning, jump lists, Aero)
- more secure
- Bitlocker

techguy77 said,
Windows Vista/7 and 8 offers nothing to make companies switch from Windows XP. Infact as consumer, if DX11 was offer to Windows XP in some form i would be still on Windows XP x64.

Of course, ignoring the fact that nobody really bothered to write drivers for XP x64, and a lot of programs do not play nicely or even at all with XP x64.

My new workstation computer that I ordered through work the other month came with windows 7 but our IT department wipes it and puts XP on it. It will be interesting to see if we choose to go with Windows 7 or Windows 8 as our standard.

robert_dll said,

XP is almost 10 years old...

Does that make it bad? I'm 25 years old and I'm doing just fine. Hell most of the people I know would be just fine with Windows 3.1 and an up to date web browser.

CoMMo said,

Does that make it bad? I'm 25 years old and I'm doing just fine. Hell most of the people I know would be just fine with Windows 3.1 and an up to date web browser.

Yes, that makes it bad for various reasons, security being a biggie. You must live in a village of Luddites too, though I sincerely doubt you know that many people who would choose Windows 3.1 over Windows 7.

from the companies to microsoft: **** off!. We dont have the infrastructure nor the money to upgrade your non sence, you cant force us to spend money ON YOU.

ThePitt said,
from the companies to microsoft: **** off!. We dont have the infrastructure nor the money to upgrade your non sence, you cant force us to spend money ON YOU.

Actually yeah they can. If they don't provide security updates anymore, you'll have to make a move anyway.
-Move to a newer version of Windows, and check that all your applications are functionning with it.
-Move to a different OS, rethink all of your security strategy, configuration, method of publishing apps and hotfixes, how to restrict and manage workstations remotely and efficiently, etc. Train your IT personnel and userbase to be familiar with the new environment and support it.
-Modify your infrastructure to have most application to be hosted on terminal servers and web-based platform, and rely heavily on thin clients.

Each one have their own associated costs, and at some point it is a necessity. The less expensive cost in this case is mostly going with an upgrade of the operating system and hardware (if not powerful enough/supported), because you know that most softwares that your business relies on will work, your GPOs to restrict the PCs are already in place and will only requires minor adjustments, your application deployment tools are already set-up, your user-base and IT support is most likely familiar with the essential stuff and won't require a substantial amount of training.

Edited by m-p{3}, Sep 17 2011, 5:37pm :

Sorry but I can't see XP going completely anytime soon.

Where I work is completely automated (warehousing). The end user programs only run on XP. The actual PLCs themselves run XP (this really surprised me when I found out). They're not connected to the Internet (or even the company internal network for that matter).

As much as I agree with moving forward, cases like this provide no reason to upgrade - especially the considerable downtime it would need. Certain cases, like this, have absolutely no reason to upgrade.

Heck I know warehouses where highbay cranes are controlled by workstations running NT4 to this day.

Biohead said,
Sorry but I can't see XP going completely anytime soon.

Where I work is completely automated (warehousing). The end user programs only run on XP. The actual PLCs themselves run XP (this really surprised me when I found out). They're not connected to the Internet (or even the company internal network for that matter).

As much as I agree with moving forward, cases like this provide no reason to upgrade - especially the considerable downtime it would need. Certain cases, like this, have absolutely no reason to upgrade.

Heck I know warehouses where highbay cranes are controlled by workstations running NT4 to this day.


If they're not connected to the Internet, running NT4 is not a problem, and MS probably doesn't expect you to upgrade.

I don't care about XP, however Internet Explorer 6 is a different matter, IE6 is stopping the whole internet because most sites are forced to be compatible with ie6.

True, but it is still the most influential browser ever made.

Microsoft reached it's peak, with this browser.

FMH said,
True, but it is still the most influential browser ever made.

Microsoft reached it's peak, with this browser.

Ya reached it's peak of trashing the internet, sure.

maybe in new pc purchase, but for those with old hardware and legacy i find it hard to move to windows 7 or above, what im hopeful somehow its that windows 8 will be even more featherweight than windows 7 which its good move.

Hum said,
Microsoft must be desperate for sales. What line will they use to push Windows 8 ?

NO xp support in total is ending soon .That means not even security updates. So companies who do not move over to windows 7 or vista sp2 will start to have huge security vulnerabilities.

majortom1981 said,

NO xp support in total is ending soon .That means not even security updates. So companies who do not move over to windows 7 or vista sp2 will start to have huge security vulnerabilities.

Support or not, most companies are not going to invest in a new OS in this state of the economy - especially when what they have is working fine.

majortom1981 said,

NO xp support in total is ending soon .That means not even security updates. So companies who do not move over to windows 7 or vista sp2 will start to have huge security vulnerabilities.

The last serious vulnerability for windows xp was found a couple of years ago and the last high-level vulnerability was about 6 years ago. The latest vulnerabilities found was only variant, or absurdly-limited vulnerabilities.

Magallanes said,

The last serious vulnerability for windows xp was found a couple of years ago and the last high-level vulnerability was about 6 years ago. The latest vulnerabilities found was only variant, or absurdly-limited vulnerabilities.


Remotely executing code embedded in a malicious webpage is a serious vulnerability, and there are tons of them in IE6. Sorry.

Hum said,
Microsoft must be desperate for sales. What line will they use to push Windows 8 ?

Hardly. Windows 7 sales blew all previous sales totals out of the water. You're just an XP fanboy who doesn't want to let go of your precious ratty sweater OS, complete with holes.

I have been using Windows 7 for almost two years now, and the only thing I can think of on your list that I miss even remotely would be animated GIFs in Photo Viewer, which was fixed by installing IrfanView.

Using Windows XP makes me want to hurt people because it is missing so much compared to Windows 7... hell, I'd take Vista over XP if that was the choice.

Your list is also riddled with inaccuracies, too. Have you actually used Windows 7?

What inaccuracies are you talking about? I think you are not an advanced user so your needs are met by what Windows 7 offers and you expect everyone else to be the same. Also, if you need serious help if using XP makes you want to hurt people. There is not a single inaccuracy but if you don't understand Windows well or misunderstand, no one can help/

I'm a computer tech, so, yes, I think maybe, just maybe, qualify as a power user.

Both of my superiors also prefer Windows 7 over XP and Vista: one even went so far as to use Longhorn and Server 2003 as his main OSes at home for an extended period of time, and the other is, amongst other duties, solely responsible for installing, setting up and maintaining all of ours and our client's FreeBSD servers\gateways.

One of my coworkers used to work in tech support for a large national ISP and uses Windows 7 without complaint (in fact, she and I both were responsible for migrating a business onto a new domain controller and both agreed that we had more issues with their Windows XP machines than we did their Windows 7 machines: many of the XP machines refused to map the network drives they were required to in Group Policy, the XP FSTW didn't copy Outlook data whereas Windows 7 Easy Transfer did copy everything bar the email password, you could do the Windows 7 Easy Transfer from the Administrator account whereas the FSTW required you to be logged into the source and destination accounts, etc. EDIT: Easy Transfer was also a lot quicker than FSTW was.)

Another one of my coworkers is not only a tech but also in charge of administration, and also uses Windows 7 happily and with no complaint. Then again, she did disable the automatic hiding of notification area icons: possibly this means she yearns for the simpler days of Windows 2000 where you didn't have such an option.

Also, let me know when it's possible to get XP up and running from scratch, with drivers, apps like Firefox, Acrobat Reader, Java, .Net, etc., in under an hour and a half. I can do that easy on a Windows 7 machine in under an hour and a half, sometimes an hour if I've got a nice, speedy i7 to set up.

xpclient said,
What inaccuracies are you talking about? I think you are not an advanced user so your needs are met by what Windows 7 offers and you expect everyone else to be the same. Also, if you need serious help if using XP makes you want to hurt people. There is not a single inaccuracy but if you don't understand Windows well or misunderstand, no one can help/

You are obviously not an advanced user also because things like taskmanager shutdown can be done by going to run then shutdown.

Most advanced users know BETTER ways to do the things that you have on that list.

When the Explorer shell isn't running or crashing or isn't loading for whatever reason, the shutdown menu in Task manager was useful to shutdown/restart. I didn't say that is the sole way or the best way to shutdown. But it's one less step than starting a cmd prompt and then using shutdown.exe.

Douglas_C said,
I'm a computer tech, so, yes, I think maybe, just maybe, qualify as a power user...... speedy i7 to set up.

XP FSTW is for transferring settings and files from OSes before XP (9x, NT, 2000) to XP. If you are migrating to a newer OS, use an appropriate tool like User State Migration Tool. Btw Windows Easy Transfer is released for XP as a download.

xpclient said,
They refuse to even acknowledge the flaws in Vista/7/8 and then expect everyone to upgrade. Flaws like these: http://xpwasmyidea.blogspot.co...ng-fixes-for-windows-8.html

Want credibility? Select only the ones that are actually important ("Create and edit TIFF annotations"..seriously?), explain why, fix the wrong things in your list (Win8 has hardware acceleration for sound, just so you know), and stop trolling all Windows news articles.
Right now you look like an XP fanboy who's desperately trying to find all the small things that were removed from XP to justify his inability to evolve.

majortom1981 said,

[Taskmanager shutdown can be done by going to run then shutdown.

When the Explorer shell isn't running or crashing or isn't loading for whatever reason, the shutdown menu in Task manager was useful to shutdown/restart. I didn't say that is the sole way or the best way to shutdown. But it's one less step than starting a cmd prompt and then using shutdown.exe.

Aethec said,

Want credibility? Select only the ones that are actually important ("Create and edit TIFF annotations"..seriously?), explain why, fix the wrong things in your list (Win8 has hardware acceleration for sound, just so you know), and stop trolling all Windows news articles.
Right now you look like an XP fanboy who's desperately trying to find all the small things that were removed from XP to justify his inability to evolve.

You are misinformed. There is no audio hardware acceleration in Vista and any later OS. You are sound like a desperate Windows 8 fanboy trying to defend his OS instead of keeping an open mind. I am not seeking credibility, I want REGRESSIONS fixed. Do you know what a regression is?

Fixed the audio acceleration for Windows 8. Looks like it IS returning. Thanks. That doesn't change other regressions however.

xpclient said,
When the Explorer shell isn't running or crashing or isn't loading for whatever reason, the shutdown menu in Task manager was useful to shutdown/restart. I didn't say that is the sole way or the best way to shutdown. But it's one less step than starting a cmd prompt and then using shutdown.exe.
Hit Ctrl+Alt+Delete and you've got the little chevron down the bottom to turn it off. If that doesn't work you're going to be pressing and holding the power button.

xpclient said,

XP FSTW is for transferring settings and files from OSes before XP (9x, NT, 2000) to XP. If you are migrating to a newer OS, use an appropriate tool like User State Migration Tool. Btw Windows Easy Transfer is released for XP as a download.

We weren't migrating from OS to OS, we were migrating from profile to profile, as they were on a workgroup, not a domain, prior to us setting up their domain controller.

Example: Jenny has a Windows 7 computer. We connected her to the domain, logged into her domain account, logged off, logged in as the Domain Administrator, ran Easy Transfer, sucked her profile to an Easy Transfer file, ran Easy Transfer again from the same user account, told it to apply the files and settings from what we just sucked to her new profile, logged out, logged on as her, put her email password in, all is good. Done in 20 minutes, most of which is spent watching the little meter fill up.

Phineas has a Windows XP computer. We connected him to the domain, ran FSTW from his local account, logged onto his domain account, ran the FSTW again, logged off, logged back on as him, found he had no PST or email settings, logged off, logged on as the domain administrator, copied his PST and NK2 to the local All Users directory, logged off, logged on with his domain account, attempted to import his PST, found out that even though it was in the All Users folder for some ass-backwards reason we didn't have permission to open it, logged back in as the domain administrator, gave his PST and NK2 Everyone permissions in the All Users folder, logged back on with his domain account, introduced Outlook to him, imported his PST, copied his NK2 in. Done in just under an hour, most of which was doing mindlessly annoying tasks that Windows 7 is smart enough to do itself.

Edited by Douglas_C, Sep 17 2011, 2:48pm :

Did you really make a blogspot about how XP "is better" than any NEWER Windows versions?
LOL, this sillyness just makes me laugh, as well as your nick..

Douglas_C said,

We weren't migrating from OS to OS, we were migrating from profile to profile, as they were on a workgroup, not a domain, prior to us setting up their domain controller.

What OS is running on the domain? Also depends on that. XP FSTW is not the right tool for this. Use this: http://www.microsoft.com/downl...displaylang=en&id=10837 USMT designed for a domain, and FAST is designed for a workgroup

Edited by UXGaurav, Sep 17 2011, 3:20pm :

Coi said,
Did you really make a blogspot about how XP "is better" than any NEWER Windows versions?
LOL, this sillyness just makes me laugh, as well as your nick..

Don't always assume newer is better.

xpclient said,
You are misinformed. There is no audio hardware acceleration in Vista and any later OS. You are sound like a desperate Windows 8 fanboy trying to defend his OS instead of keeping an open mind. I am not seeking credibility, I want REGRESSIONS fixed. Do you know what a regression is?

A regression is important only if it was useful before. Using very small details as reasons not to update is stupid.
Want me to make a list of all the things Vista/7/8 have that XP doesn't? I hope the comment length maximum is not too small.

Aethec said,

A regression is important only if it was useful before. Using very small details as reasons not to update is stupid.
Want me to make a list of all the things Vista/7/8 have that XP doesn't? I hope the comment length maximum is not too small.

I am not denying that Vista/7/8 bring major improvements to security, graphics, networking and many other areas. But if you consider the usability areas like Start menu, Taskbar, Explorer which are the end user facing/GUI components, most improvements are a step back. Again this is subjective, some will prefer the new UI, that's why the both UIs should be kept optional. Removing long standing features like turning auto arrange off or title bar text or status bar size is horribly wrong.

xpclient said,
When the Explorer shell isn't running or crashing or isn't loading for whatever reason, the shutdown menu in Task manager was useful to shutdown/restart. I didn't say that is the sole way or the best way to shutdown. But it's one less step than starting a cmd prompt and then using shutdown.exe.

Or you could simply launch the command right fron fhe Task Manager "Run" menu with the required parameters. Any power-users should/must know these at some point.

Edited by m-p{3}, Sep 17 2011, 4:33pm :

TRC said,

That list is hilarious. I've heard of grasping at straws but come on.

Way to troll. I bet you don't even know half of those features exist.

xpclient said,

Way to troll. I bet you don't even know half of those features exist.

Most of those "features" are trivial crap that no one cares about or can be done in better ways now. Dreamscene? Double click to open volume mixer? Classic start menu? lmao, now make a list of features that were in Windows 3.1 and removed in Windows 95. Sorry not trolling, your list is a joke. The list of new features that Vista and 7 has far outweighs any of that trivial hand picked nonsense.

TRC said,

Most of those "features" are trivial crap that no one cares about or can be done in better ways now. Dreamscene? Double click to open volume mixer? Classic start menu? lmao, now make a list of features that were in Windows 3.1 and removed in Windows 95. Sorry not trolling, your list is a joke. The list of new features that Vista and 7 has far outweighs any of that trivial hand picked nonsense.

If no one cared about them, there wouldn't be hundreds of comments at Microsoft's forums complaining about them.

xpclient said,
If no one cared about them, there wouldn't be hundreds of comments at Microsoft's forums complaining about them.

Hundreds? That's out of how many people who are using Windows 7 and are happy with it? Complaints are nothing new, this happens with every OS with every release, impossible to make everybody happy. Look at the complaints against say OSX Lion or Ubuntu when they introduced Unity, always going to be some unhappy campers. Disregarding a ton of good features and enhancements (never mind security) just because some random trivial thing isn't available out of the box anymore (and can usually be added back) is a little short sighted. Don't always assume older is better. If that were true we'd still be mucking about in MSDOS.

xpclient said,

If no one cared about them, there wouldn't be hundreds of comments at Microsoft's forums complaining about them.

You can find hundreds of comments complaining about XP too, or anything. Out of billions of Windows users what are a few hundred complaints? Nothing at all, and honestly I could find very little in your spammy blog link that is worth caring about anyway. XP is done, time to let it go.

Up until a few weeks ago, the company I work for on a Navy base still had XP systems! They just recently replaced the computers with new Dells which are running 7 now, but I found it interesting that a Navy base under DOD would still be using an outdated OS!

jnelsoninjax said,
Up until a few weeks ago, the company I work for on a Navy base still had XP systems! They just recently replaced the computers with new Dells which are running 7 now, but I found it interesting that a Navy base under DOD would still be using an outdated OS!

Outdated maybe, but its still supported. And as it's been out for 10 years a much larger percentage of security vulnerabilities have been found and fixed. Win 7 is still relatively new and no doubt there are still plenty of holes to find and exploit.

TCLN Ryster said,
Outdated maybe, but its still supported. And as it's been out for 10 years a much larger percentage of security vulnerabilities have been found and fixed. Win 7 is still relatively new and no doubt there are still plenty of holes to find and exploit.

Your logic is flawed. All the security holes found in WinXP were fixed in Win7 too. Software don't have a limited number of vulnerabilities ; finding a lot of them doesn't mean there are only a few remaining.

TCLN Ryster said,

Outdated maybe, but its still supported. And as it's been out for 10 years a much larger percentage of security vulnerabilities have been found and fixed. Win 7 is still relatively new and no doubt there are still plenty of holes to find and exploit.

Win7 is inherently much more secure than XP. There is nothing secure about XP really because it wasn't built with that in mind. Of course user stupidity still trumps all security by a landslide.

Xp was good at the time but a decade later it's a clunky piece of crap. Win7 is not a great OS but it's a good one. OSX is still quite a bit ahead when it comes to user interfaces and consistency, though Win7 does better with some of the under the hood stuff.

daPhoenix said,
I urge people to just dump Windows. Did it a long time ago and couldn't be happier.
I don't see why people tell companies to dumb windows, Windows still has the best features for large corp's. A good version of office, better network management and all their old tools that were coded for XP will still work on Windows 7 (maybe a little bit of fixing will be needed).

daPhoenix said,
I urge people to just dump Windows. Did it a long time ago and couldn't be happier.
Rather depends on what your business is, most are based on using Microsoft Office which has always been better on the PC. I use both Apple & PCs, I find Windows 7 considerably better than Mac OSX, much more diverse software available. However, in Design & music world the Mac might be better.

daPhoenix said,
I urge people to just dump Windows. Did it a long time ago and couldn't be happier.
That's too much happiness, than is healthy.

daPhoenix said,
I urge people to just dump Windows. Did it a long time ago and couldn't be happier.

haha... wow what a stupid comment, and what do you do? running a real big bussines company? i bet no... i bet you only spend your time in neowin looking for a windows related article to make idiot comments about it. why would you need windows? you could even do that with a phone. anyway...

why would you care about what other people run anyway. but anywayyy, im glad not everyone is like you... i bet there is happier people with windows than you without windows. yeah everyone is different.


daPhoenix said,
I urge people to just dump Windows. Did it a long time ago and couldn't be happier.

Most companies will not DUMP windows until an exact replacement to group policy is come up with for other platforms.

Exosphere said,
Rather depends on what your business is, most are based on using Microsoft Office which has always been better on the PC. I use both Apple & PCs, I find Windows 7 considerably better than Mac OSX, much more diverse software available. However, in Design & music world the Mac might be better.

it is an old myth. Right now, there are more plugins for Photoshop for Windows than for OSX and for videos, OSX was awesome for edit video but right now, exist plenty of tools that do realtime stuff, without excluding that OSX suck for most video format but quicktime and mpeg.

daPhoenix said,
I urge people to just dump Windows. Did it a long time ago and couldn't be happier.

For what, OS X? Linux? Those operating systems have their niche fans, but that's all they are.

daPhoenix said,
I urge people to just dump Windows. Did it a long time ago and couldn't be happier.

as a backup yes. especially if some stupid Apple tech tells me a $3000 logic board?? is dead. Yeah. sure. turns out someone likely dropped something on the keyboard dislodging the memory card and breaking the keyboard as I found out. 2 years later it's still running. Now the hard drive it's running on. not so good. over 10,000 hours used. like the 200,000 limit on a car. Russian Roulette. and everyone wants to go for USB 3.0 which tends to suck right now. eSata is far more supported. Yet I can't find any adapters that converte 3.0 to eSata. always the other way round. Yeah but the item doesn't recognize the express card.

DrakeN2k said,
Apple's iPad ...

Yea lol wut... you can't really use an iPad in a standard corporate world for business, especially when most businesses run specific applications for their work.

xendrome said,

Yea lol wut... you can't really use an iPad in a standard corporate world for business, especially when most businesses run specific applications for their work.

And the company couldn't develope and app for the ipad that does the same thing? I'm no apple fanboi but still this comment has to be the most one sided comment I've seen in a while on here LOL

Drakars said,

And the company couldn't develope and app for the ipad that does the same thing? I'm no apple fanboi but still this comment has to be the most one sided comment I've seen in a while on here LOL

You are missing the point. The very reason these companies do not move away from Windows XP is because they don't want to update their legacy applications! Many businesses use custom third-party browser-based applications to support their day-to-day operations. Since XP shipped with Internet Explorer 6.0, developers designed software to work with that browser's quirks.

When Microsoft started heading towards standards compliance with versions 7 and 8, these legacy web applications broke and some businesses didn't bother to have them revamped or updated to work with newer browsers. As a result, they got stuck with IE6 and consequently Windows XP.

Siddharth Prabhu said,

You are missing the point. The very reason these companies do not move away from Windows XP is because they don't want to update their legacy applications! Many businesses use custom third-party browser-based applications to support their day-to-day operations. Since XP shipped with Internet Explorer 6.0, developers designed software to work with that browser's quirks.

When Microsoft started heading towards standards compliance with versions 7 and 8, these legacy web applications broke and some businesses didn't bother to have them revamped or updated to work with newer browsers. As a result, they got stuck with IE6 and consequently Windows XP.

Oh i understand that. I work for a company that has done just that. Even has gone as far as loading XP onto a system that came with Win 7 preloaded. Because they apps wouldnt be compatible with Win XP. I was just saying that if the companies really wanted to, thy could have apps developed for the iPad and could use the iPad.

Siddharth Prabhu said,

You are missing the point. The very reason these companies do not move away from Windows XP is because they don't want to update their legacy applications.

It's more than just that. It goes back to the saying: "If it is not broken, don't fix it"

You know very well that if those applications are changed, they're will be downtime to fix bug. Time is money, can't afford that, especially in the economy that we have right now.

Plus the cost of the new hardware, plus the cost of Win 7 license, plus the cost of migrating, and so on ....

There is no way any companies can justify migrating right now just because MS want to move on.

If MS want it so bad, why don't they give free license ? Hiay, right !

Drakars said,

Oh i understand that. I work for a company that has done just that. Even has gone as far as loading XP onto a system that came with Win 7 preloaded. Because they apps wouldnt be compatible with Win XP. I was just saying that if the companies really wanted to, thy could have apps developed for the iPad and could use the iPad.

well, excluding the fact than iPad is a useless gimmick.

1024x768, slow, no keyboard, glassy screen, incompatible, and the worst, expensive.

with some rare exception, iPad is only for pointy hairy boss.

Captain555 said,

It's more than just that. It goes back to the saying: "If it is not broken, don't fix it"

You know very well that if those applications are changed, they're will be downtime to fix bug. Time is money, can't afford that, especially in the economy that we have right now.

Plus the cost of the new hardware, plus the cost of Win 7 license, plus the cost of migrating, and so on ....

There is no way any companies can justify migrating right now just because MS want to move on.

If MS want it so bad, why don't they give free license ? Hiay, right !

Windows 7 can be deployed on many older machines and still perform well so their wouldn't be a need to have to upgrade all systems. It's not about anything being broken, it's about the fact that Microsoft is moving forward with their products and companies need to do so as well. You don't need justification for migrating, it just needs to be done. Companies are supposed to plan for these things, that's why they have IT departments to handle all technical obstacles.

Drakars said,

And the company couldn't develope and app for the ipad that does the same thing? I'm no apple fanboi but still this comment has to be the most one sided comment I've seen in a while on here LOL

Actually they could develop an app, but since the iPad is not PCI compliant, the iPad app couldn't have any locally stored data or login information.

Oh and I'd guess that 99% of the companies involved have an Enterprise Agreement, so Captain555, even if they're on XP, they're already paying for a Windows 7 license.

If companies are having such a hard time with legacy apps, why aren't they leveraging XP Mode? /boggle

webdev511 said,

Actually they could develop an app, but since the iPad is not PCI compliant, the iPad app couldn't have any locally stored data or login information.

Oh and I'd guess that 99% of the companies involved have an Enterprise Agreement, so Captain555, even if they're on XP, they're already paying for a Windows 7 license.

If companies are having such a hard time with legacy apps, why aren't they leveraging XP Mode? /boggle

XP mode is s**t. you have to maintain , update, secure... 2 OSs on each machine.
The biggest Microsoft's mistake was NOT to give enterprise a auto upgrade from XP to Win7 including auto"compatibly switch" for legacy apps.

xendrome said,

Yea lol wut... you can't really use an iPad in a standard corporate world for business, especially when most businesses run specific applications for their work.

umm... no they don't

Drakars said,

Oh i understand that. I work for a company that has done just that. Even has gone as far as loading XP onto a system that came with Win 7 preloaded. Because they apps wouldnt be compatible with Win XP. I was just saying that if the companies really wanted to, thy could have apps developed for the iPad and could use the iPad.


I don't think you have a clue how IT in a corporate environment works. We also load XP on all new PC's we buy, even though they come with Win 7 licences. XP isn't sold anymore for quite some time, so that is standard practice.
As for replacing the PC's with iPads? Sorry, I can't even think how asinine this is. Are you coming to our company, program our few hundred apps to run on an iPad, replace all PC's with an iPad, and then train all the staff on it? What about all the backend infrastructure to support this? What about training all the IT Staff to be able to support the iPads and everything that goes with it?
There is usually a reason why enterprises do not always update their software to the latest and greatest. Because the IT Department can't be bothered with it, is usually the least of the reasons.

wixostrix said,

Windows 7 can be deployed on many older machines and still perform well

Well maybe you if you like it very slow, but nobody want to give up speed. You can say that as long as you want but Win 7 doesn't do well on a P4-3.0 Ghz. with a Gigs of RAM DDR1-400. Plus I would certainly consider that a waste of money.

To run Win 7 with any decent speed, you need at least a dual-core with 2 Gigs of RAM (at least DDR2).

alexalex said,

XP mode is s**t. you have to maintain , update, secure... 2 OSs on each machine.
The biggest Microsoft's mistake was NOT to give enterprise a auto upgrade from XP to Win7 including auto"compatibly switch" for legacy apps.

Uhhh, of course you have to update and secure XP Mode. It's still Windows XP with internet connectivity. NOT securing it would be ridiculous, even if it is closed off from your primary OS. I don't think computers are your specialty. :\

webdev511 said,

Oh and I'd guess that 99% of the companies involved have an Enterprise Agreement, so Captain555, even if they're on XP, they're already paying for a Windows 7 license.

Large companies might but not small one.

Captain555 said,
To run Win 7 with any decent speed, you need at least a dual-core with 2 Gigs of RAM (at least DDR2).

Really? It ran great on my Athlon XP machine with a gig of RAM before I gave it away.

randomevent said,

Really? It ran great on my Athlon XP machine with a gig of RAM before I gave it away.

Working great on my sister's PC, P4 3.0Ghz 1Gb RAM DDR1

xendrome said,

Yea lol wut... you can't really use an iPad in a standard corporate world for business, especially when most businesses run specific applications for their work.

think someone needs to do some homework before writing that the iPad will be stuck on every checkout lane. Bank and groceries all windows xp. It's one thing to have to buy new computers. it's another issue when none of the peripherals work on windows 7. So if ubuntu offers them a solution to run on those expensive items. they'll go for it. long before making the massive expense required to upgrade to windows 7. Now for those who went to Vista this is hardly a problem. Except for 64 bit any version) what runs on Vista runs on 7. In this economy many of Microsofts options could put a store out of biz. Stick ubuntu in there 9 times out of 10 poof it finds the addon. Printers. If they use Canon printers. might be an issue.

Captain555 said,

It's more than just that. It goes back to the saying: "If it is not broken, don't fix it"

You know very well that if those applications are changed, they're will be downtime to fix bug. Time is money, can't afford that, especially in the economy that we have right now.

Plus the cost of the new hardware, plus the cost of Win 7 license, plus the cost of migrating, and so on ....

There is no way any companies can justify migrating right now just because MS want to move on.

If MS want it so bad, why don't they give free license ? Hiay, right !

This comment is bull****. If you keep your software up to date, it will cost you less in the long run. Don't ever use legacy hardware/software, and you'll never run into expensive migration exercises.

Magallanes said,

well, excluding the fact than iPad is a useless gimmick.

1024x768, slow, no keyboard, glassy screen, incompatible, and the worst, expensive.

with some rare exception, iPad is only for pointy hairy boss.

Don't think much (or any) of the corporate browser-based apps out there requires larger than screen 1024x768 resolution anyway. And speed is a non-issue for mostly browser-based apps and emails. As long as it can open Word documents, Excel spreadsheets and Powerpoint slides, it's compatible with most office works. Also $500 is not that expensive compared to a system upgrade from a Pentium 4 with 512M RAM running WinXP to Core i3 with 2G RAM running Win7.

Come to think about it, I'd say most of the sales in my current company could have done their jobs with only an iPhone or Blackberry since their works are mostly just receiving and sending emails, and PMs can do most of their works with iPad as they just need to work on Word documents, Excel spreadsheets and Powerpoint slides, and access the web-based internal ERP system which is already compatible with Safari.