Microsoft: Used Xbox One disc games can be given to friends, with restrictions

The subject of how Microsoft would handle used game discs for the Xbox One has been the subject of much chatter and debate, even before the console itself was announced in May. Today, Microsoft offered up some more information on how owners of Xbox One disc games can trade or re-sell them to retailers and give them to friends.

In a post on the Xbox Wire website, Microsoft said that in terms of trading in or reselling their Xbox One disc games to retailers such as GameStop,"We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers.  Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games."

And what about just giving an Xbox One game disc to a friend? Microsoft said that this is allowed, but also put in two restrictions: " ... you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once." Microsoft said no fees would be charged for these actions.

That's the good news. The bad news is that Microsoft is giving third party game publishers an option to set up their own restrictions on used Xbox One game discs. Microsoft said:

In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers.  Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners.

Microsoft also repeated what the company previously said about Xbox One owners being able to play any of the games they bought on any Xbox One console, simply by signing into their Xbox Live account and accessing the games from the cloud server account. Microsoft added, "Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One."

Source: Xbox Wire | Image via Microsoft

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Wow...
Another restriction...
All these restrictions should be written in the back of the package box with bold letters.

MrAnalysis said,
Finally Linux and steam have a chance! Go Go linux this is your year!
10 minutes later... WHAT! I cant trade my used games!

Wow. So no more days of buying 1 sports game and having some of your buddies buy the others only to get together on weekends and play together. I guess none of the games will feature co-op or split screen game modes. If you want multiplayer, each person will have to have their own copy of the game, on their own console with their own internet connection. We are here now. Its crazy...

I only have one word for both Microsoft and Sony: "Greed"
- I will not be buying any new console if this trend continues

THE_OBSERVER said,
I wonder how many people are going to that MS court over this, not just in the US but other locations around the world.

Why would Microsoft get sued? Its your choice to buy the console or not. No one will force you.

I think MS has screwed themselves. Or rather big publishers have screwed MS. People won't be happy unless the system is kept the way it is now.

This is utter garbage. MS having to bend over backwards because publishers bitch and moan about "Oh, people are selling their games to Gamestop and we can't make a full profit of our already high arse priced games. Let's place restrictions, so we can maximise the profits for our greedy arses."

If this is how consoles and games for them are going to be. I rather fork over money for a new computer every other years and new graphics card and just pirate the crap.

This is why people pirate stuff, because of bullcrap stuff like this.

So you have to go to a physical store to sell your used game to then sell it to your friend and your friend will likely be paying only a bit less than a new game as it appears you probably can't decide how much to charge your friend for the game.

What a joke, if you buy something you should own it, not a licence to it. Long live the PS4!

"each game can only be given once"

What the hell does that even mean? So I let my sibling borrow a game to play on their Xbox and then they give it back. Months later they ask to borrow it again but now they can't?

"Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One."

I am not sure how the shared games library truly works. The last 3 words is "any Xbox one". Your sibling can play and share your game.

because MS made all these decisions by themselves, without any influence from the actual....ya'know....game publishers/creators.

Sony will likely have to have very similar agreements.

Actually you never buy a game, you just buy the license to use it. And it is up to them what the limitations of that license is.

AtriusNY said,
Actually you never buy a game, you just buy the license to use it. And it is up to them what the limitations of that license is.

The biggest problem with selling games on physical disks is that it confuses people -- making them think that they actually "own" the game, when, in reality, they have simply purchased a, non-transferable, license to play it. Now that the console makers are slowly doing away with disks, those under the delusion of being owners are having a hard time adjusting to reality.

Shiranui said,

The biggest problem with selling games on physical disks is that it confuses people -- making them think that they actually "own" the game, when, in reality, they have simply purchased a, non-transferable, license to play it. Now that the console makers are slowly doing away with disks, those under the delusion of being owners are having a hard time adjusting to reality.

Biggest problem with companies is they think we're bound by any legal crap they want to force on us without us agreed to via a signed contract.
As a consumer, I don't owe any company or legally bound by any contact that I've not agreed to with my signature. Certainly not any license agreement that I've not seen or read before I've used a currency to buy the actual item. Remember, if you're under common law you buy the actual game disc and everything it contains. Its up to you if you want to agree to any contacts with the publishers after that.
Right now, there is no law that says I can't sell a disc, manual, book or other tangible object that I own.

Please don't fall into their false laws and contacts, you do not have to agree to them.

However, since they know this, they've created their own service side of things that is forcing our hand to agree to it, this is where we've got to agree to use the service (to actually install and play, to borrow the games to friends etc.
The disc itself, anything that you can hold its yours. You've paid for it (yes I know that's a whole different subject) but you might have paid for it with potatoes for all I care.

So you give your game to someone,,, that certain some wont be allowed to give it away again?

How is that good?


So if I finished a game.... I just have to keep it... forever?

Geranium_Z__NL said,
So you give your game to someone,,, that certain some wont be allowed to give it away again?

How is that good?


So if I finished a game.... I just have to keep it... forever?

Yes, the are that cost you a the same as going to the cinema a couple of times or a night out, that gives you 6-10 hours or more of entertainment if you just rush trough it and have no interest in enjoying it or the story is tied to you, or you can sell it to a friend.

So, all the nay-sayers that said it was all rumors were... Wrong, yet again! Congratulations guys... And just think how much worse it'd be if people hadn't kicked up a fuss all over the web.

n_K said,
So, all the nay-sayers that said it was all rumors were... Wrong, yet again! Congratulations guys... And just think how much worse it'd be if people hadn't kicked up a fuss all over the web.

The rumors were: you can't lend games, you can't give games, you can't sell games, you can't borrow games without paying a fee. And so fartthat has all been proven wrong.

You can't lend games. You can give games once but only to a friend, so basically you can't give games. Publishers set if you can borrow games and how much you had to pay to do so, it's not free, so no, all of it has been proved right.

Depends on the fine print. If it's written that you're really just buying a license to run the software under your user account, then first sale doesn't apply--similar to the way some PC software is licensed. So for something like AutoCad it was ruled that you cannot resell it because of the license terms. Pretty troubling nonetheless that MS is killing the ability of individuals to resell games. Now it seems it *must* go through retailers

I guess some people will get around it. They could still sell their game to someone on Ebay, but they would then have to add that person on Xbox Live, and then that person would have to wait 30 days to play the game.

So lets say you can buy a game that's been out for like 3 months. Brand new, it would be $60. Used at Gamestop $55. On ebay, probably could get it for $30 or less. So, if someone already waited 3 months to get the game, they would just have to wait 30 more days to play the game once the other person added them. So if someone really wanted to save $20, they would wait this.

Myself, I would definitely wait longer to save the money. But at the same time, I'm not going to have to worry about it, b/c I will not be buying an Xbox One.

This is utterly ridiculous, but I'm sure 99% of people won't care and will continue to get screwed over with these prices/restrictions. Must suck to be a console gamer these days.

Am I the only person who think that the most interesting part of that info page from Microsoft is the "play the game at your friends house"?

They keep mentioning that you can just log in at your friends house and play the game, and they also keep mentioning that there is a digital copy of your game "in the cloud".

Does this mean that Microsoft has an Onlive-"clone" ready to go for XO?

zicoz said,
Am I the only person who think that the most interesting part of that info page from Microsoft is the "play the game at your friends house"?

They keep mentioning that you can just log in at your friends house and play the game, and they also keep mentioning that there is a digital copy of your game "in the cloud".

Does this mean that Microsoft has an Onlive-"clone" ready to go for XO?

No I don't think so. But they said you can share games with family (10). They don't have to have ownthe ggames.....this to me is pretty great because I'd have access to 10 family members game list to play at will.

I hope they come up with a clear answer regarding what happens to our game collection on X1, if we were to some how get banned from the live service, since we would not be able to activate the live service within 24 hours, also the same question applies to what would happen to our collection if the X1 live service was to retire. Would our entire game collection become worthless?

zicoz said,
What if Valve decided to shut down Steam?

I cannot really say much about steam, because i am not really familiar with how they are run. But what i meant was, Just say i personally bought 20 physical titles of my favorite games costing around $70 or so each. Now just say i was to be banned or X1 retires the service, this entire collection of expensive games would suddenly become unplayable and useless. I believe steam is more just digital sales of games and if we were to be banned or they shutdown the service, we would still be able to play our games offline, unless we are talking about online connected type games.

Microsoft seems to be bending over backwards to make (big) publishers happy. It'll be interesting to see how (or if) the big companies reciprocate! I wonder if Sony is doing things behind the scenes because of this... I already suspect they'll allow companies to implement similar strategies without officially requiring/supporting them.

That would not be be effective, imagine just letting your fried borrow the game for the weekend and then wanting it back again. You would have to deal with installation times and if it is a digital download this could take several hours especially if the game was 15-25Gb in size. This would also be very brutal for people with bandwidth caps.

Agree, ISPs are looking to cap the amount of data you can get, or force you to pay extra money for it, no way, only downloaded games aren't good.

I am.

On stuff like Steam you can't loan any of your games, period. But because the publishers / developers never lose any money from used game sales, you always get constant sales on Steam, often with 75% off or even more. If XO was to have this kind of system it would be better for the whole industry (look how many game devs keep going out of business, the current game industry can barely sustain itself).

I probably have over 200 games on Steam, most of which i got for £7 or less.

How about ditch those restrictions and when a used copy of a game is installed on a new device it is uninstalled on the old device.

thealexweb said,
How about ditch those restrictions and when a used copy of a game is installed on a new device it is uninstalled on the old device.

Except that would rin the whole point, I have two xboxes, with the new system I can install and play my game on both of them, without worrying about the disk. And I can bring the disk to a friend and playin, or just log in to is console and download the game.

With our system you wold still need to bring the disk, and not only that, you would have to reinstall all the time.

I think around 5-10 years. Accessing 10+gb of hd media content or games at the current scale is not economical with today's infrastructure. Imagine the areas that have metered internet, kinda sucks to have to pay an extra premium on the game just to play it.

Spicoli said,
The business of video game retailing is going the way of the video rental store. How long before there is no disk slot in consoles?

That'd be a bonus. I never have liked the idea of cd/dvd. Crappy media format, which should have died many years ago.
Cartriges were better. Games started faster. So there should have been improvements that way.
But nowadays, digital download is the way things should be. Ditch disks altogether.
Although as a media entertainment device, it pretty much is necessary to have a Blu-ray player for your movies, but then again, that should be done away with too, and movies should be streamed.

LUTZIFER said,

Cartriges were better. Games started faster. So there should have been

Nah. The cartridge did little. The games became more and more complex. I know where you are coming. Something a la DS or PS Vita could have come handy.

I still like the disc format, though. They have good size (slim, little vertical space occupied, and wide enough to be seen); easy to find, store (since they are able to pile up... something that the cartridges aren't able to do so!), transport, and to put onto the drives.

Also, from time to time, cartridges need to be blown (Yes! I know that ALL of the instructions said otherwise... but... it was the only way to make them work! ).

I do recognize that the cartridge is far way user friendly when manipulating them.

LUTZIFER said,

That'd be a bonus. I never have liked the idea of cd/dvd. Crappy media format, which should have died many years ago. [...]

The only reason why consoles went to optical disks for such a long period was due to the cost per MB. It was very expensive to do big cartridges (remember the Neo Geo?) But I agree that they had its benefits. In the Nintendo consoles for instance there were many cartridges that contained additional hardware that enhanced the game, but this all added to the cost. However I do agree that nowadays we would be much better of with some sort of flash memory card. Last time I looked we could have 128GB in an SD.

Spicoli said,
The business of video game retailing is going the way of the video rental store. How long before there is no disk slot in consoles?

With ISPs looking to charge for bandwidth? you go to pay your isp one extra of $30 to download one game that already costs $70?

LUTZIFER said,

That'd be a bonus. I never have liked the idea of cd/dvd. Crappy media format, which should have died many years ago.
Cartriges were better. Games started faster. So there should have been improvements that way.
But nowadays, digital download is the way things should be. Ditch disks altogether.
Although as a media entertainment device, it pretty much is necessary to have a Blu-ray player for your movies, but then again, that should be done away with too, and movies should be streamed.

So you don't like to own anything? That's all this is, what started with Apple (iTunes) is now moving to everyone else. The "new generation" doesn't understand what it is to own something anymore, and I guess that's ok with this generation. Call me old but when I pay for something I want to be the owner of what I pay for. So that I can physically do whatever I wish with it.
With all these changes all we are doing is becoming a borrower society. Pay for the right to borrow and the day that you stop paying you no longer are allowed to borrow.

I can't believe they actually put disc drives in the consoles next-gen. The disc is worthless at this point. All they do is install to HDD, like a copy of Windows or MS Office. 90% of the functions of the machine require broadband and we're still relying on discs to install?

This disc drive nonsense is all Gamestop's fault. God I wish that place would die already. The dregs of humanity shop there. It's like a leech on the game industry sucking the life out of it with it's used game pawn shop scheme.

And don't get me started on the big box retailers where you have to wait 15 minutes just to ask a clerk to remove the game from behind the glass, like you are a freaking child. The whole business is a mess. We have the technology for stuff like Steam and OnLive and we're still buying games the same way we did in the 70's.

Avatar Roku said,
I can't believe they actually put disc drives in the consoles next-gen. [blah blah blah ...]

Are you done with your little rant? Not everyone want to bend-over on not having a tangible copy of a product they have righteously purchased. If you're OK with it, that doesn't make you the sole representative of every gamer out there.

Avatar Roku said,
I can't believe they actually put disc drives in the consoles next-gen. The disc is worthless at this point. All they do is install to HDD, like a copy of Windows or MS Office. 90% of the functions of the machine require broadband and we're still relying on discs to install?

Yeah, cause we all live in a country with fast internet that can download 10 gb in less then 15 minutes, without data cap and affordable internet. Yeah, I don't pay 55$/m +tx for 60gb of bandwidth, 7.95$/gb extra and only 5mb down. Oh, btw, it's about the best I can have around here for the price. You want that fancy 10 mb? give us 80$ a month...

So yeah, I like disc based game because when I want to play, I put it in and play, unlike streamed game where I must wait 3-4 days for it to download and if I didn't liked what I downloaded, well screw me, not enough bandwidth for the rest of the month to download another game.