Microsoft wants Gmail users to switch to Hotmail

Microsoft clearly wants to get users of Google's Gmail service to switch over to Microsoft's Hotmail. Microsoft has been making some changes and improvements to Hotmail in the last few months and today, via the Windows Live blog site, Microsoft's Dharmesh Mehta makes his pitch to Gmail users and also shows how to quickly make the move to using Hotmail.

One of the reasons Mehta has for picking Hotmail instead of Gmail is Hotmail's integration with Facebook. He states, "You can update your Facebook status, chat with Facebook friends, view their updates, and comment right from your Hotmail inbox. You can't do this from Gmail."

He also says that Hotmail allows people to use Microsoft's Skydrive cloud service to share hundreds of photos and files in one Hotmail email message. Naturally, Hotmail integrates well with Microsoft Office. allowing people to view and even edit Office documents for free inside a Hotmail message. Finally Mehta says Microsoft's recent change which allows Hotmail to better handle "graymail" is an advantage over Gmail.

The above video shows how Hotmail users can add their Gmail and other accounts so they can be access via Hotmail. If Gmail users want to completely dump the service for Hotmail, Mehta says that after establishing a new Hotmail account they can use a tool called TrueSwitch that will import all of a user's Gmail messages and contacts into the Hotmail account. TrueSwitch will also forward all Gmail messages to the new Hotmail account for 90 days.

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Silly title. Of course, they're competition. All that happened is that blogs have been doing "How to switch to Hotmail" articles recently, so Microsoft decided they should detail it themselves.

As long as mails from sender "FiNancial InDepenDence! (stmp1@stmp1.net)" and subject "$379 in 60 minutes working from home!‏" end up in my Hotmail inbox instead of spam filter I can not seriously consider changing to Hotmail

I signed up for Hotmail back in 1994 before Microsoft had anything to do with it. I started getting so much spam I switched to Yahoo Mail as my primary. Then Yahoo started getting hundreds of spam so I switched to Gmail as my primary and have never had an issue since the service started. I'm sticking to what I know works and that's Gmail.
Just like I've been a member of Neowin for like 10 years and won't switch to another main community.

I'll switch with two conditions:

1) get rid of all ads. exploit google's weakness where it hurts them the most. email should be free of ads, specially google ads. make this a primary message to the world: get rid of ads. make google look like the spambot they are.

2) please rename it. hotmail just sounds bad these days. call it bmail and toss it as part of bing.

neonspark said,
I'll switch with two conditions:

1) get rid of all ads. exploit google's weakness where it hurts them the most. email should be free of ads, specially google ads. make this a primary message to the world: get rid of ads. make google look like the spambot they are.

You're aware e-mail servers and such don't run free for Microsoft, right? Why don't you try running a service for millions of people for free without some form of income? I wonder how long that'll last.

Ive wanted to switch to hotmail, the gui and email management is far superior than gmail.. but, the one things preventing me, apart from having an android phone, is Contact management, or rather lask of it.. contact display is awful! Sorry M$ will be clinging onto gmail until you have a better system for managing/viewing contacts!

DrScouse said,
Ive wanted to switch to hotmail, the gui and email management is far superior than gmail.. but, the one things preventing me, apart from having an android phone, is Contact management, or rather lask of it.. contact display is awful! Sorry M$ will be clinging onto gmail until you have a better system for managing/viewing contacts!

There is a Hotmail app for Android...

DrScouse said,
Ive wanted to switch to hotmail, the gui and email management is far superior than gmail.. but, the one things preventing me, apart from having an android phone, is Contact management, or rather lask of it.. contact display is awful! Sorry M$ will be clinging onto gmail until you have a better system for managing/viewing contacts!

I agree, contacts on WL is crappy - i so much rather exchange servers (i manage em) than Gmail but man is Windows Live Contacts (web interface) is such crap! I used to use Outlook to manage them but the sync is sorta crap as well!

So... really they are just saying "come to us because we integrate better with facebook"?
I'm happy using facebook as I use WLM, not the web browser anyway.
I don't need the Skydrive either.

I just transferred from Hotmail to Gmail as I wanted to integrate with the GMail apps better (calendar and such, although it doesn't show birthdays?). I may look at transferring back, but I'm happy with Gmail for now

I have both, hotmail's GUI is far better (gmail is pretty clunky even with the recent changes) and I don't see much spam (plus the new sweep feature is a great idea). I predominantly use hotmail and my gmail account really is just there because of gtalk and my android phone (BTW ICS support of hotmail is flawless and the official hotmail app for pre-ICS is great too).

Hotmail went through a long period of being crap but thesedays it's really nice. I suspect most haven't tried it again

I only use gmail fro my android phone nothing else. Have always preffered hotmail for some reason theres something I love about it.

omg this is funny. lol I just switched from hotmail to gmail weeks ago, because I got fed up with how hotmail would refuse to remember to allow images etc. for senders I specifically tell it to. Other than that, the big stupid ad on hotmail sux, and gmail has integrated FREE google talk service (pc to phone calling). Sorry ms, you lose again. heh

#1 Reason...

Microsoft doesn't freaking data mine, nor claim ownership of your email content, nor can Microsoft view it or query it.

Google can query all the Gmail accounts and see who is buying what, or talking about what, even if they don't open your inbox directly.

This gives Google inside trading level 'insight' into consumer information and trends, that they use and also sell to avoid the SEC rules.

Think about the power of knowing that 80% of the population is going to buy a hybrid car, or likes a new TV show, or likes a new technology... You could invest, buy into the products, produce your own products, sell this information for direct cash, etc...

The power people hand over to Google as a collective of information is freakng amazing, and makes Orwell's 1984 seem insignificant in comparison.

Google controls enough politician email accounts that they literally have a say in the worlds governments now, because politicians have personal Gmail accounts and talk about stuff assuming it is private, just like every goof with a Gmail account does that has any business or personal dealings...

thenetavenger said,
Microsoft doesn't freaking data mine, nor claim ownership of your email content, nor can Microsoft view it or query it.

And you have undeniable proof of this how, exactly? Oh wait, you don't.

Like most internet bull****ters you're just coming up with things on your own and claiming them as fact.

No MS... you'll just have to be content that I use both systems.

Although Hotmail has imporved A LOT... you still are the slob of the two... and you really need to turn on https for the service like gmail. email should be protected considering what info people send in a message. Serial keys from digital software... personal info... password resets etc...

mranderson1st said,
No MS... you'll just have to be content that I use both systems.

Although Hotmail has imporved A LOT... you still are the slob of the two... and you really need to turn on https for the service like gmail. email should be protected considering what info people send in a message. Serial keys from digital software... personal info... password resets etc...

So you don't like them for not having HTTPS to Gmail, yet you let Google read and data mine all your email which is HIGHLY insecure anyway...

Are you retarded?

I have,
LIVE. GOOGLE. YAHOO. UNIVERSITY(GENERAL). UNIVERSITY(CS)

I think I just got a massive amount of storage space when I created the LIVE account.
So I am probably going to be using the LIVE account for things

_Heracles said,
I have,
LIVE. GOOGLE. YAHOO. UNIVERSITY(GENERAL). UNIVERSITY(CS)

I think I just got a massive amount of storage space when I created the LIVE account.
So I am probably going to be using the LIVE account for things

I have a ton of email accounts for personal, professional, etc.. Some exist on other services, and various emails accounts my own servers scattered around the world that are in place for each separate group and company.

I link them all back to a main LiveID account, with automated folders separating them, and can easily access email from 10 different accounts and 10 different servers on my main LiveID (Live.com) or hotmal inbox at once, and send from the other email addresses just as easily, with my client software on my Android and WP7 and iPHone and PCs and Mac only having to use ONE Email login to gain access to them all as well.

There is a brilliant simplicity to integrating all your email accounts in one place, and is reason enough to use the new Hotmail/Live.

Getting away from GMail data mining my email and clients email they send to me on a GMail account is rather important as well, because if my company is talking to a vendor or a R&D group, I don't want it popping up in the Google general trend queries they do for themselves and sell to others.

Hotmail is not perfect, but it is good for free, and if ya want perfect, subscribe to Office 365 for a couple bucks a month to get the full Exchange features and integrate all your accounts there instead.

No thanks. My Hotmail days were over a LONG time ago. Haven't used it in years and have no desire to start again. I find Hotmail to be inferior.

nekkidtruth said,
No thanks. My Hotmail days were over a LONG time ago. Haven't used it in years and have no desire to start again. I find Hotmail to be inferior.

Ya cause it is JUST like it was years ago...

Really?

Hotmail/Live and the integration features with Live.com, the LiveID system, and Windows in general is beyond anyting Google or any other service provides.

One example... I have my own email servers, but yank my email to my Live/Hotmail inbox using my real email adderss as the LiveID authenication.

This lets me have joesmoo@smoo.com with all the functionality of the Hotmail servers.

It integrates directly with my phone, Windows, etc...

Because the service DOES NOT use the antiquated IMAP/POP3/SMTP crap, I can use Hotmail like Exchange works, which is instant, and secure.

Because I have a Windows Phone, I also have ALL my 5GB of inboxes on my phone and searchable instantly, that Syncs far faster than IMAP or POP3 or Gmail's clients can.

So all my information is in one place, and also available to me offline any place or device i choose. Even if I had a WAP or even texting only based phone, I would have far more accessibility and acces to my inbox from Hotmail than anyone else offers.

I also like that my LiveID is highly secure, and is linked to my other Microsoft services, for seamless access to Messenger, Mesh, Skydrive, XBox Live, Zune Market, etc.

You just can't do this with GMail, even with Google owning Youtube, you have to create a psuedo account to partially unify the services, yet with Windows Live ID, I can integrate Youtube easier, and it is a Google service, just like I can integrate Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, etc...

I guess people with Android phones that can only hold a few messages and have to fight through the IMAP and POP3 issues of syncing that it has do not have the experience of having all their information on their phone and easily syncing to a solid online service.

If you think Hotmail is anything like the HTTP email service that Microsoft bought 10 years ago, you have no clue that it is far more than just Email or an Inbox. It is an ecosystem that rivals Exchange and is freaking free.

Enjoy your provider lock, also enjoy if your LiveID gets hacked (which they have been in great quantities in the past and still do), you suddenly find yourself in a position where all your linked services and information are exposed.

thenetavenger said,
*snipped fanboi spazgasm*

I'm thrilled that you're so happy with Hotmail and whatever other services you use through Microsoft. I however, respectfully disagree. I am completely happy with Google and the services it offers me. Microsoft dropped the ball with Hotmail and all of it's related services when Google jumped into the game. Picking up the ball several years later doesn't interest me. I find LiveID to be one of the worst security wise and usually steer clear if it's integrated into other things. On the contrary, I squeal with delight when I find my Google account can be integrated into services I use. My Hotmail account (which I don't really use) has been hacked several times. The password is randomly generated and not used for anything else (complete with special characters, capitals and numerals), yet my Gmail account has never been hacked. Hmmm.....

P.S. I have no issues syncing my Android phone to anything. I use multiple ROMs and have gone through a couple of phones, each time I simply type in my Google account information and everything syncs. I'm sorry you've not had the same experience.

It's funny. I think I am the only tech-savvy person that uses Yahoo Mail...and really likes Yahoo Mail. I have accounts with the other two, but prefer Yahoo. I get absolutely no spam in my normal inbox; and my spam folder gets maybe 10 messages a day. And I give out my Yahoo email address to every forum and online shopping site.

Sure, Microsoft, I'll switch back to hotmail when you accomplish the following:

-Rebrand the service into a new name because hotmail is seen as unprofessional and has a huge stigma to it.

-Implement IMAP.

-You revamp the UI so that it's not god-awful.

-You improve your spam filter because it sucks.

-You stop deleting accounts because the user didn't log in after a certain period of time which is unacceptable with today's storage amounts.

-You introduce some kind of feature that will blow gmail away.

I still have my old hotmail account from 2003, but it's used as a spam catcher nowadays and I have all my e-mail forwarded to my gmail anyway.

Kevin. said,
Sure, Microsoft, I'll switch back to hotmail when you accomplish the following:

-Rebrand the service into a new name because hotmail is seen as unprofessional and has a huge stigma to it.

-Implement IMAP.

-You revamp the UI so that it's not god-awful.

-You improve your spam filter because it sucks.

-You stop deleting accounts because the user didn't log in after a certain period of time which is unacceptable with today's storage amounts.

-You introduce some kind of feature that will blow gmail away.

I still have my old hotmail account from 2003, but it's used as a spam catcher nowadays and I have all my e-mail forwarded to my gmail anyway.

1. Hardly any normal person will single out Hotmail as being unprofessional. What exactly makes it so 'unprofessional', eh? The only thing that will stand out unprofessional is using obscure aliases that look ridiculous, regardless what e-mail service. I personally wouldn't mind a name change though.

2. Exchange > IMAP

3. If the UI was that bad, there'd be way less users than it currently has. Considering it's pretty much the #1 e-mail provider, I don't think it's as big a deal as you think it is. Though I wouldn't mind a new look.

4. I'm a heavy user of it and pretty much never see spam hit my inbox. I don't know exactly how you other people manage to have spam issues, but I know all my accounts don't have such an issue.

5. It's not a big dealbreaker to me.

6. A feature you think will blow Gmail away, isn't something everyone will agree upon. I think all the combined features that Hotmail has over Gmail are enough to make me use it as my main e-mail.

Hmm.. I was under the impression that Microsoft wanted all Hotmail users to switch to other email services. Why else would they take forever to provide Exchange support for Hotmail and then when they finally do, they choose an old and obsolete version of EAS to do so. As a result, Hotmail does not support HTML emails via Exchange. I stopped using Hotmail in favor of gMail for this reason and I was a paid Hotmail account user too.

hotmail just doesn't have the same clean feeling as gmail. maybe if they'd scrap the 90's get up and replace it with a modern metro interface i'd be willing to switch

jasonon said,
hotmail just doesn't have the same clean feeling as gmail. maybe if they'd scrap the 90's get up and replace it with a modern metro interface i'd be willing to switch

Ummm...Hotmail has been semi-Metro for years now.

If you think it looks like it did in the 90s, I doubt you have been on it much.

I might, if it weren't called Hotmail. I know it's petty and shallow, but I just can't get past that.

It does have a certain stigma attached to it as an email service used by scammers and Internet newbies, plus it's such a 1990's thing... but it's actually a far better service now than it used to be and I'd probably start using it too if it wasn't called "Hotmail"

When I checked my Gmail earlier, it was inviting me to import my Hotmail account lol. That was before I saw this story, so Google has got back real quickly on this. I prefer keeping mind separate as I use them for different things. It doesn't bother me that I have to use two interfaces, but could be good for some I suppose.

i use my Gmail on my Ipad 2 , Asus transformer prime,r desktop, laptop.and in my HTC Sensation G4 ... Gmail is so compatible with everything!!

Um hotmail. and pretty much every other webmail in existence since they either use pop3 / imap / exchange, will work on those devices. So what are you talking about?

I just logined to my hotmail to see if there is an improvement. The first thing that annoyed me was that i had to type full email address, not just the user name. Then, i got to this page full of other things but not my emails. I had to find this little link that says inbox(10). I finally got to my inbox and guess what those 10 emails were all junks.

So much for moving to hotmail..

morrizz said,
I just logined to my hotmail to see if there is an improvement. The first thing that annoyed me was that i had to type full email address, not just the user name.

How else are they going to differentiate users with @live.com, @hotmail.com, or @msn.com? Just guess and hope it's not the wrong person?

The "Today" screen is something you can choose to turn off every time you sign in, if you actually explored the options. The inbox is in bold and the top of all the folders. It's no different than practically every other e-mail service out there, so I'm finding it hard to believe it's any more "little" than those. If you have junk, junk it. Hotmail is good at learning.

Ha...they still had my old account open from 2003...back when you could sign up for MSN Messenger with another email addy, although most thought you had to have @hotmail.com.

Looked it over, no point in switching since I get everything sent to my desktop in Mail.

With Gmail, an inactive account never gets deleted. On Hotmail, Microsoft kills inactive accounts after six months. If Microsoft were to change this stance I'd be willing to at least try it again.

Nogib said,
With Gmail, an inactive account never gets deleted. On Hotmail, Microsoft kills inactive accounts after six months. If Microsoft were to change this stance I'd be willing to at least try it again.

Six Months? How is that not a safe amount of time to assume that you are never coming back / died?

Xerino said,
Ill o back to Hotmail the day Windows goes open-source...

Yes, because that makes the email better..... wait what?

I have a Hotmail account and a Gmail account, didn't know I was only allowed to have one or the other, just to make Bill Gates richer so he can donate more of his riches.

I'm slowly moving more and more things away from Google. I really don't like the idea of a company having my searches, email, files, and social network and IM chats.

You know what they say. If they aren't selling you a service they are selling you.

I use @mac.com for email, Facebook (with a lot of the security settings customized), MSN/AIM for messaging (my MSN account email is an alias for my Mac.com), and I use Google for search. I'be be happy to use another company for search but Google returns better results for me.

morrizz said,
You are moving to Facebook because you fear of privacy? Good luck mate.

No, I never had G+. I don't plan to move to it.

LOL. What a joke... right?
I used to have Hotmail "back in the day", but I switched to GMail in early beta and never looked back.

Raa said,
LOL. What a joke... right?
I used to have Hotmail "back in the day", but I switched to GMail in early beta and never looked back.

Maybe you should look back, because Hotmail today isn't what Hotmail was "back in the day"

Too late Microsoft. I used HoTMaiL mail before MS purchased the company and made the platform their own. Then along came Gmail offering 2GB of storage compared to Microsoft's 10 MB and I happily left Hotmail for Gmail.

Since then MS have lifted their game and are now more in line with what Google offers with Gmail but it is too late.

MS had the chance to keep me as a customer by innovating and being ahead of the competition but no, they were mean and stingy with their service and now it is too late.

I get about 1 spam email per day in my Gmail inbox.

You`re not making much sense. Gmail still has a limit (8gb) whilst Hotmail has no limit. Google Docs still butchers my attachments whilst SkyDrive and Office Web Apps make editing and sharing Office 2010-based documents a breeze.

No thanks, and I doubt Hotmail has "Google Apps" functionality, i.e. allowing you to use your own domain name address with gmail imap.

mram already pointed out the link for it. Google apps gives you what, 10 emails on your domain for free? Hotmail gives you 500, and if you need more all you have to do is contact their support team and they'll gladly give you more.

Also why are you using imap when gmail has exchange support?

mram already pointed out the link for it. Google apps gives you what, 10 emails on your domain for free? Hotmail gives you 500, and if you need more all you have to do is contact their support team and they'll gladly give you more.

Also why are you using imap when gmail has exchange support?

/- Razorfold said,
Also why are you using imap when gmail has exchange support?

Because it works with every platform, every OS, every device and is regulated by a large body of people.

Exchange? Proprietary MS protocol. No thanks.

/- Razorfold said,
mram already pointed out the link for it. Google apps gives you what, 10 emails on your domain for free? Hotmail gives you 500, and if you need more all you have to do is contact their support team and they'll gladly give you more.

Also why are you using imap when gmail has exchange support?

You'll need more than 500, I have one Gmail mailbox which has around 20 addresses aliased to it from different domains. I'd need a mailbox for every address with Hotmail. Then I'd need to remember to sign in every x months else they will delete the mailbox. Live Domains sucks, anyone who says otherwise is living on a cloud.

Hotmail sucks on my desktop simply due to the fact that I don't want to read email twice, once in my mail client then again on my iPhone. That's why IMAP is useful. Maybe Microsoft should integrate MAPI and turn it into Exchange then I'd look at it, I can't see them adding IMAP. It's 2012, IMAP has been mainstream for 5+ years now.

paulbeattie87 said,

You'll need more than 500, I have one Gmail mailbox which has around 20 addresses aliased to it from different domains. I'd need a mailbox for every address with Hotmail. Then I'd need to remember to sign in every x months else they will delete the mailbox. Live Domains sucks, anyone who says otherwise is living on a cloud.

Hotmail sucks on my desktop simply due to the fact that I don't want to read email twice, once in my mail client then again on my iPhone. That's why IMAP is useful. Maybe Microsoft should integrate MAPI and turn it into Exchange then I'd look at it, I can't see them adding IMAP. It's 2012, IMAP has been mainstream for 5+ years now.


Hotmail can make aliases also.

MiukuMac said,

Because it works with every platform, every OS, every device and is regulated by a large body of people.

Exchange? Proprietary MS protocol. No thanks.


And Exchange / EAS works with pretty much everything too and it does a whole lot more than IMAP does.

Also who cares about if its proprietary or not? Half the of the stuff you probably own is proprietary and protected by patents etc. Don't see you bitching about that.

You'll need more than 500, I have one Gmail mailbox which has around 20 addresses aliased to it from different domains. I'd need a mailbox for every address with Hotmail. Then I'd need to remember to sign in every x months else they will delete the mailbox. Live Domains sucks, anyone who says otherwise is living on a cloud.

Hotmail has been able to make aliases for quite a while now. Also why does live domains suck? I've been using it for 2 years and its worked flawlessly.

I Have used Hotmail for years I tried Gmail when it came out, but I just didnt see any reason to make the switch. As for the people proclaiming it has no spam, when I used it all my inbox was full of spam perhaps it has changed?

I switched a year ago and don't regret it one bit. Hotmail has come a long long way and keeps adding more features.

dtboos said,
I switched a year ago and don't regret it one bit. Hotmail has come a long long way and keeps adding more features.

I love SkyDrive integration. It's my favorite feature.

Well, people in hell want ice water......don't know what to tell you Microsoft. You've got a long way to go until you can even think about catching up to google in the email dept, especially with gmail's awesome spam filtering. Until that happens, keep wanting.

obiwankenobi said,
Well, people in hell want ice water......don't know what to tell you Microsoft. You've got a long way to go until you can even think about catching up to google in the email dept, especially with gmail's awesome spam filtering. Until that happens, keep wanting.

Hotmail new Sweep spam feature works great.

When is the last time you've use Hotmail?

day2die said,

Hotmail new Sweep spam feature works great.

When is the last time you've use Hotmail?

better yet, tell that to my Outlook, LMAO! (on my droid, if I delete a gmail, it is instantly applies....vs. hotmail, which I've been with (technically) since 1998...delete a email, and then it MAY reflect onto my account, but it's caused more problems than it's worth....OH, and also, tell that to all of the nigerian scams I get per day....around 200 at the very least....wanna remind me who uses hotmail daily? Nah, didn't think so, bro. (I've got years of beta testing/software analysis behind me...literally since 2000....so that makes what, 12+ years (not counting NDA's? Don't test me, bro!)

(now, my original post, which still stands clearly, since I KNOW what I'm talking about, not talking out of the side of my head......)daily, since 2001.....and it does? O.o Meh, I've had better

Edited by Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jan 27 2012, 2:12am :

1. You do realize hotmail has exchange support now right? I can't say for Android but I know on WP7 (and on iOS) if I delete an email from my phone, it gets deleted from my inbox too.

2. You get 200 nigerian scam emails a day on hotmail? Somehow I find that hard to believe. My hotmail account gets maybe one spam email every couple of months.

/- Razorfold said,
1. You do realize hotmail has exchange support now right? I can't say for Android but I know on WP7 (and on iOS) if I delete an email from my phone, it gets deleted from my inbox too.

2. You get 200 nigerian scam emails a day on hotmail? Somehow I find that hard to believe. My hotmail account gets maybe one spam email every couple of months.

I understand the Exchange support in it's entirety....I just cannot afford to run an Exchange right now at the moment, times are tough.

but yes, after having my account for so long (and neglecting it, I must admit, because it's too much hassle) I do get that many Nigerian emails per day (roughly). Now, part of this is due to an ex who knows my hotmail address, but is mad because she does not know my password, so I get signed up for lots of spam, every day, at the very least....so yes, my words are accurate and true. My mistake: giving my email address to a now ex-girlfriend. Did I think she'd be that cold-blooded? Well, to say the least, when I broke up with her, I forgot she had my email addresses memorized....so that's sorta my bad, there, I'll admit. However, I've nuked her from orbit, changed my passwords, but still, it's such an easy email address to remember, that yeah, I get hit with bogus stuff all of the time. I used to keep my email private, but I made that ONE mistake, and it spider-webbed from there. I'm wanting to do the whole Exchange thing, but I just can't afford it right at this moment in time (I have an old machine sitting around....thinking of turning it into my own personal exchange machine, but that may be asking too much out of my pocket-book right now....times are tough, and I'm strapped for cash), so there you go, I've totally embarassed myself because of you now....so go have a sammich, and feel proud...I'll keep working toward something better, as that's all I have to go by right now. Oh, did I mention? I take donations!

obiwankenobi, all you`ve shared is how unfamiliar you are with the current market offerings.

You do NOT need Exchange to use Hotmail. And you receive spam because you`re email address is shared... not because it just so happens to be a hotmail account.

I never said Exchange and IMAP were the same. But why would you use IMAP over exchange activesync when using mobile devices. What mobile OS doesn't have support for EAS?

And yes you're right about the second bit, I meant to say exchange activesync

Because we don't want to tie ourselves to one-provider system, hmm?

Also let's not forget Exchange is a wholly proprietary Microsoft owned protocol. Bad, bad, bad.

MiukuMac said,
Because we don't want to tie ourselves to one-provider system, hmm?

Also let's not forget Exchange is a wholly proprietary Microsoft owned protocol. Bad, bad, bad.

Yeah but IMAP has nothing on EAS in terms of functionality and integration. We're talking full mailbox sync with push notifications, calendar & contacts sync, GAL access, public folder & file access vs an old outdated mail protocol that hasn't seen any noticeable improvements in the last decade. Doesn't seem like much of a competition to me.

obiwankenobi said,
Well, people in hell want ice water......don't know what to tell you Microsoft. You've got a long way to go until you can even think about catching up to google in the email dept, especially with gmail's awesome spam filtering. Until that happens, keep wanting.

If you didnt sign up to dodgy sites in the first place, you would recieve 0 spam.

ha I switched from Hotmail to Gmail because Hotmail doesn't know how to filter spam mail

Mmagoo13 said,
ha I switched from Hotmail to Gmail because Hotmail doesn't know how to filter spam mail

I switched to Hotmail because Gmail sent my important mails to spam.

Hotmail now has a Sweep spam feature which works pretty well.

Edited by illegaloperation, Jan 27 2012, 1:27am :

Mmagoo13 said,
ha I switched from Hotmail to Gmail because Hotmail doesn't know how to filter spam mail

Neither did Google, which is why they bought Postini and jacked the prices for postini customers.

Now Gmail has the best spam filtering in the business.

I still use hotmail. Only have gmail for one work googlegroup.

Mmagoo13 said,
ha I switched from Hotmail to Gmail because Hotmail doesn't know how to filter spam mail

Like I mentioned, this is because you have signed up to strange sites...

I get my hotmail in with my gmail.I prefet the Gmail's interface more. Crisp. Clean. hotmail still fells heavy and buggy imo

CMG_90 said,
I get my hotmail in with my gmail.I prefet the Gmail's interface more. Crisp. Clean. hotmail still fells heavy and buggy imo

Interesting you mentioned this since hotmail appears to be quite responsive and feels like a desktop app for me.

CMG_90 said,
I get my hotmail in with my gmail.I prefet the Gmail's interface more. Crisp. Clean. hotmail still fells heavy and buggy imo

What's heavy and buggy about Hotmail?

day2die said,

What's heavy and buggy about Hotmail?

Test;
gmail opens in 2 seconds.
hotmail takes 11 seconds just to open then added click to inbox which it doesn't do by default.

hotmail message opening 2-5 seconds, gmail 1 second or less.

Hotmail is great as a non-important spam crap box but for anything serious? GMail all the way.

MiukuMac said,

Test;
gmail opens in 2 seconds.
hotmail takes 11 seconds just to open then added click to inbox which it doesn't do by default.

hotmail message opening 2-5 seconds, gmail 1 second or less.

Hotmail is great as a non-important spam crap box but for anything serious? GMail all the way.

Err, or you could click options in hotmail and on the very first option click "Show me my inbox when I sign in". Also, hotmail opens mails (and the main inbox) as fast if not faster than gmail for me.

I still use gmail because I prefer the design (and I like having 2-step authentication) but you're showing your anti-MS bias (again).

MiukuMac said,

Test;
gmail opens in 2 seconds.
hotmail takes 11 seconds just to open then added click to inbox which it doesn't do by default.

hotmail message opening 2-5 seconds, gmail 1 second or less.

Hotmail is great as a non-important spam crap box but for anything serious? GMail all the way.

You got to be kidding me right? 11 seconds to open up what? As Zak0 said - set it to open in Inbox. Opening mail? Why - there is a preview side. What's to open. If you open it doesn't make a new window it just switches in a second.

Your time is so valuable that 1 second is just too much wasted time?

I get 1-2 spams in Hotmail which is the same as Gmail. At least with Hotmail I don't get important real emails in my SPAM folder.

I like both and use both. Like anything else there is always a strong and weak point. That is why we have choices.

MiukuMac said,

Test;
gmail opens in 2 seconds.
hotmail takes 11 seconds just to open then added click to inbox which it doesn't do by default.

hotmail message opening 2-5 seconds, gmail 1 second or less.

Hotmail is great as a non-important spam crap box but for anything serious? GMail all the way.

I just timed my Hotmail and Gmail login. exactly 3 seconds to the inbox for Hotmail and maybe a few hundreds of a second less for Gmail. So there is simply no noticeable difference.

I am shocked how Gmail users compare it to Hotmail in the first place. First of all Google needs to hire a UI designer who wasnt been in stasis since HTML was invented. Then its the fact that the UI does not listen to key press events like Delete keyboard key when you have a message selected. And they also need to stop boycotting IE users even on version 9.

Riva said,
I am shocked how Gmail users compare it to Hotmail in the first place. First of all Google needs to hire a UI designer who wasnt been in stasis since HTML was invented. Then its the fact that the UI does not listen to key press events like Delete keyboard key when you have a message selected. And they also need to stop boycotting IE users even on version 9.

Ehh it's worth it to have integration with all they're other services. This is why Microsoft doesn't get as many people. Although, in my opinion, GMail is the better service.

De.Bug said,

Ehh it's worth it to have integration with all they're other services. This is why Microsoft doesn't get as many people. Although, in my opinion, GMail is the better service.

And Hotmail is integrate with SkyDrive, Office Web App, etc.

Riva said,
I am shocked how Gmail users compare it to Hotmail in the first place. First of all Google needs to hire a UI designer who wasnt been in stasis since HTML was invented. Then its the fact that the UI does not listen to key press events like Delete keyboard key when you have a message selected. And they also need to stop boycotting IE users even on version 9.

Perhaps because it does what we want it to. IE9? Have but do not use. UI complaints? Personal preference. Delete key? As if clicking delete is that much harder. Then again, I don't delete too many emails because I don't have to since I'm not overloaded with spam, and have all my emails filtered to proper labels so everything's sorted and easy to find.

It's all about how you use it. Hardly see how your complaints suggest that it's not comparable to Hotmail at all...

hotmail is missing too many features for me to switch completely. I keep gmail as my social email and hotmail as my professional email.

i get 10-12 emails in my junk mail folder and 5-6 spam emails in my inbox with my hotmail account.

with gmail, on average, I get 0 mail in the junk mail and 0 spam in my inbox....

tell me why i should switch. did I mention gmail is my social email so I give it out twice as often as my hotmail account...

capr said,
hotmail is missing too many features for me to switch completely. I keep gmail as my social email and hotmail as my professional email.

i get 10-12 emails in my junk mail folder and 5-6 spam emails in my inbox with my hotmail account.

with gmail, on average, I get 0 mail in the junk mail and 0 spam in my inbox....

tell me why i should switch. did I mention gmail is my social email so I give it out twice as often as my hotmail account...

I get a bunch of spam, as predicted, in my junk mail folder. This is normal. However I think I've gotten like 2 spam e-mails over the last year in my inbox. I don't know how you get so many go through your inbox - just add them to the junk filter though and you're set.

capr said,
hotmail is missing too many features for me to switch completely. I keep gmail as my social email and hotmail as my professional email.

i get 10-12 emails in my junk mail folder and 5-6 spam emails in my inbox with my hotmail account.

with gmail, on average, I get 0 mail in the junk mail and 0 spam in my inbox....

tell me why i should switch. did I mention gmail is my social email so I give it out twice as often as my hotmail account...


This is because you have signed up to strange sites.

A company wants people to switch from a competitor's product to their own?
I AM SHOCKED

...Sounds interesting though that they are going so far out of the way to facilitate the switch. Pretty aggressive.

3 Charisma said,
A company wants people to switch from a competitor's product to their own?
I AM SHOCKED

...Sounds interesting though that they are going so far out of the way to facilitate the switch. Pretty aggressive.

Everyone else is aggressive against Microsoft, I dont see why it shouldn't be the other way around?

3 Charisma said,
A company wants people to switch from a competitor's product to their own?
I AM SHOCKED

...Sounds interesting though that they are going so far out of the way to facilitate the switch. Pretty aggressive.

That was sort of the impression I received as well, I mean of course Hotmail wants Gmail Users to switch to Hotmail. Isn't that what companies do all the time, and is the basis of running a company : to get more customers either new customers on the market or from a competitor?

Riva said,

Everyone else is aggressive against Microsoft, I dont see why it shouldn't be the other way around?


I didn't say it shouldn't be. Just interesting. They finally got Hotmail up to a point where it is competitive enough to even try, good on them