Microsoft: Windows 8 team makes new builds every day

As we and the rest of the world await word on when Microsoft will finalize the RTM version of Windows 8 (it could be ready to go sometime next week), at least one person is wondering how long it takes for Microsoft to create a new build for its next OS. In a rare public answer to a question on its official Windows 8 Twitter page, Microsoft gave that person an answer.

The Twitter user with the tag Deficiency asked, "Hi. We had a discussion at work how long a build of win8 take. Can you answer this question? Thx." Microsoft's unnamed Windows 8 employee answered back today with the response:

@Deficiency we do builds every day. a build for us is a matrix of language / sku / debug or retail / 64 or 32 or ARM and more.

The answer leaves open the possibility that Microsoft's Windows team could make more than one build of Windows 8 per day. We are pretty sure that the team is burning the midnight oil trying to finish up the RTM version. That will signal the end of major Windows 8 development ahead of its official commercial launch, which won't be until October 26th.

Source: Windows 8 Twitter page

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Even as an outside developer, it makes perfect sense to have daily build to run against a suite of test cases. We would go even step further by running basic test cases before we make check in

I hope they anable a way to split Metro apps in two (50 - 50), just like Win Key + left or right arrows.

I hate that I cant slip Metro screens in half.

thenetavenger said,
Wow, just like they have essentially done since 1992, breaking news...

LOL... I wonder how story this becomes something new...

thenetavenger said,
Wow, just like they have essentially done since 1992, breaking news...

Indeed. This is something that is fairly well known, or at least I assumed it was since it has been stated on many occasions.

Shane Nokes said,

Indeed. This is something that is fairly well known, or at least I assumed it was since it has been stated on many occasions.

What is strange, is that even with the monkeying around of build numbers that started with Win2K (NT 5.0), all the prior versions directly show the daily build numbers.

NT 3.1 is 511, NT 3.51 is build 1057, etc

Microsoft started artificially changing the build numbers with Win2K so they could bring the build numbers to parity with other server product schemes and to avoid versioning issues with software from the Win9x world.

There are interviews with every anticipated version in the history of NT, with Microsoft clearly stating they try to get a daily build, that includes all source versions.


Maybe it is good for John to mention this, so all the kids realize that NT is quite a process of development, yet clicks by as it always has.

I'd say it would take quite a few hours to build everything but it really depends on the processing power, hard disk speed etc.

Windows Nashville said,
I want Win7 start menu. Until then, Win8 can go to hell.


get off thr i want the start menu back when the start screen does the same job but better and the fact that oh i dont know the many many desktop end user improvements and performance improvements out weight the start screen as a deciding factor anyways even if i hates the start screen and everything Metro i could care less about that when i realized the massive desktop stuff they have added and new useful features and performance improvements they added

Windows Nashville said,
I want Win7 start menu. Until then, Win8 can go to hell.

It is in Windows 8, instead of popping up 1/4 screen, it pops up full screen.

(This is not that complex, yet people can't seem to get their mind around it. )

Windows Nashville said,
I want Win7 start menu. Until then, Win8 can go to hell.

Then use Windows 7 and stop crying like a 5 year old girl. Goes for anyone else around here bitching and moaning about no start menu and Metro. WAH WAH WAH I WANT THIS, I WANT THAT! Shut the hell up.

as much as I might agree with you
this isn't the time or place in my view.
The topic is about building windows 8
Not the start menu.

All a comment like that is gonna do is provoke things.
And your not helping the cause buddy lol
If you wanna complain do the rest of us a favor and be constructive about it.
Or enjoy the Cheerleader wrath
as seen above my comment =)

notuptome2004 said,


get off thr i want the start menu back when the start screen does the same job but better and the fact that oh i dont know the many many desktop end user improvements and performance improvements out weight the start screen as a deciding factor anyways even if i hates the start screen and everything Metro i could care less about that when i realized the massive desktop stuff they have added and new useful features and performance improvements they added

Yes it does it better by ****ing you off quicker and be asking your self maybe its time to switch from Windows. The user experience out weighs whats under the hood, if you cant use it and find stuff easy why use it?

shadodemon said,

Yes it does it better by ****ing you off quicker and be asking your self maybe its time to switch from Windows. The user experience out weighs whats under the hood, if you cant use it and find stuff easy why use it?

I tell ya what switch from windows and quit bitching and whining all the time.

TsarNikky said,

As in making Windows-7 functionality available?

TsarNikky, you remind me of your namesake Tsar Nicholas - who went down in infamy as the *last* "Tsar of All The Russias". The very reason that he first lost his throne, and then lost his life, was because of obstinacy first and foremost. You are, if anything, MORE unwavering in said obstinacy than Rush Limbaugh.

If you look at the builds lists for Windows you can see that there's a new build everyday with the exception of weekends.

Why didn't Microsoft call me on the phone to ask me personally how I wanted Windows 8 to work... I want it to work exactly like Windows 7, but I don't tell me to stay on Windows 7.

I want my precious Start Button even though it never really worked properly to begin with... And don't tell me to install some third-party application like TrueLaunch Bar or Start 8 or something to get it working again.

Sheesh, why can't they merge all the new features back into Windows 3.1

I whined when I had to upgrade from Vista to 7 and I'll probably whimper, "Where's my precious Metro Screen?", when I have to upgrade to Windows 9...

Shut up already !!

I remember waiting for Ubuntu to release a year or two back, and everyone was F5 on the site, only to find the message that the team had decided to do a "re-spin" of the release due to a show-stopper, and iirc that only took a couple hours or so (I imagine a respin is similar to a build ? )

jasonon said,
of course there are new builds daily, that's what it takes to create a great OS

What great OS do you mean?

When will:
(a) The Start Button reappear, even as an installation option/Registry hack?
(b) The Metro UI be disabled, even as an installation option/Registry hack?

As long as Windows-8 panders to the touch-screen market it is, clearly, a flawed product.

TsarNikky said,
When will:
(a) The Start Button reappear, even as an installation option/Registry hack?
(b) The Metro UI be disabled, even as an installation option/Registry hack?

As long as Windows-8 panders to the touch-screen market it is, clearly, a flawed product.

you guys still havent giving it up yet? every story,and you guys cant stop writing the same crap. first of all,it isnt pandering to touch at all. full screen apps doesnt mean its made for touch, i dont see where this nonesense is coming from. lame excuses from mac and android users?

and if you dont like it, nobody cares. stop with the childish remarks. go use something else and stop flooding every comments section with the same tiresome drivel.

nickcruz said,
why don't you learn new ways to do everything you did with the start menu? it's not that complicated.

Because the new way is a concession to touch. W8 is better with touch, and there's no arguing around that. It's a step down for Desktop users, no matter how many hot corners and keyboard shortcuts you throw at us.

vcfan said,
you guys still havent giving it up yet? every story,and you guys cant stop writing the same crap. first of all,it isnt panderin

Much like you droids who incessantly defend Microsoft despite them cutting off their nose to spite their face.

Removal of the start button on a desktop system it total lunacy and no amount of fanboi'ism will change that fact.

You are welcome to Metro on your phones and tablets, but its place is not on a normal desktop system with a mouse and multiple monitors.

The only exception to this would be for fools who don't use their desktop except to browse facebook or read the odd email or news story, in which case you may as well use you phone to do that and not even bother buying a desktop!

nickcruz said,
why don't you learn new ways to do everything you did with the start menu? it's not that complicated.

Most of the new features don't work any better, however some of the new functionality is cool and refreshing. What's wrong with having options to satisfy everyone? Very narrow minded.

vcfan said,

you guys still havent giving it up yet? every story,and you guys cant stop writing the same crap. first of all,it isnt pandering to touch at all. full screen apps doesnt mean its made for touch, i dont see where this nonesense is coming from. lame excuses from mac and android users?

and if you dont like it, nobody cares. stop with the childish remarks. go use something else and stop flooding every comments section with the same tiresome drivel.

Hence Windows-7 will be living for a very long time in the laptop/desktop venue where content needs to be created via a keyboard.

dvb2000 said,

Much like you droids who incessantly defend Microsoft despite them cutting off their nose to spite their face.

Removal of the start button on a desktop system it total lunacy and no amount of fanboi'ism will change that fact.

You are welcome to Metro on your phones and tablets, but its place is not on a normal desktop system with a mouse and multiple monitors.

The only exception to this would be for fools who don't use their desktop except to browse facebook or read the odd email or news story, in which case you may as well use you phone to do that and not even bother buying a desktop!

Wow, the concept that the Start Menu HAS NOT BEEN REMOVED, is just a little too big of a concept for you, uh?

Instead of a 1/4 screen popup, it is a full screen popup. The last time I checked, when it comes to size, most people prefer bigger, the rest are overcompensating.

Seriously, it is the same freaking feature, except full screen versus popup 1/4 screen.

Since you cannot leave the current Start Menu on the screen, as any action or click makes it go away, the current smaller size really is worthless, beside that it lacks a lot of features in the new Start Menu.


Simple concept: 1/4 Screen Popup versus Full Screen w/more Features

Now, please quit whining, and if you still cannot 'grasp' this overwhelming concept, burn your computer and find a tree in the woods to live and spare society, you are messing with the IQ curve.

TsarNikky said,
When will:
(a) The Start Button reappear, even as an installation option/Registry hack?
(b) The Metro UI be disabled, even as an installation option/Registry hack?

As long as Windows-8 panders to the touch-screen market it is, clearly, a flawed product.

Answer for both A and B? Windows 7

dvb2000 said,

Much like you droids who incessantly defend Microsoft despite them cutting off their nose to spite their face.

Removal of the start button on a desktop system it total lunacy and no amount of fanboi'ism will change that fact.

You are welcome to Metro on your phones and tablets, but its place is not on a normal desktop system with a mouse and multiple monitors.

The only exception to this would be for fools who don't use their desktop except to browse facebook or read the odd email or news story, in which case you may as well use you phone to do that and not even bother buying a desktop!

Not quite. Seems u never used Os X before and i know nobody talks about it as subpar for not having start button.
want start button like interface. Keep on 7 or "evolve" to linux .
Metro is here to stay.

vcfan said,

you guys still havent giving it up yet? every story,and you guys cant stop writing the same crap. first of all,it isnt pandering to touch at all. full screen apps doesnt mean its made for touch, i dont see where this nonesense is coming from. lame excuses from mac and android users?

and if you dont like it, nobody cares. stop with the childish remarks. go use something else and stop flooding every comments section with the same tiresome drivel.

Especially since that doesn't explain the Eee Transformer Prime - which actually sells with the (listed optional) keyboard dock most of the time.

rseiler said,

Because the new way is a concession to touch. W8 is better with touch, and there's no arguing around that. It's a step down for Desktop users, no matter how many hot corners and keyboard shortcuts you throw at us.

dvb2000 said,

Much like you droids who incessantly defend Microsoft despite them cutting off their nose to spite their face.

Removal of the start button on a desktop system it total lunacy and no amount of fanboi'ism will change that fact.

You are welcome to Metro on your phones and tablets, but its place is not on a normal desktop system with a mouse and multiple monitors.

The only exception to this would be for fools who don't use their desktop except to browse facebook or read the odd email or news story, in which case you may as well use you phone to do that and not even bother buying a desktop!

Holy **** you guys don't understand how to use Windows 8. It's the same as Windows 7 with optimization.

What did you even use the Start button for? You can just hit the "Windows" key and type in the program you want to open. How difficult is that?!

vcfan said,

you guys still havent giving it up yet? every story,and you guys cant stop writing the same crap. first of all,it isnt pandering to touch at all. full screen apps doesnt mean its made for touch, i dont see where this nonesense is coming from. lame excuses from mac and android users?

and if you dont like it, nobody cares. stop with the childish remarks. go use something else and stop flooding every comments section with the same tiresome drivel.

It's a natural response to be completely lost when things appear to have changed completely and you were intimately familiar with the old way. On a first time use of Win8 it appears like everything has changed but it hasn't. Children catch on awesomely fast since they aren't stuck in the "I've been using windows for 15 years and no what I'm doing" mode but my wife was pretty much lost using Win8 until I told her to do it almost exactly like she used to. Then she realized that all of the old keyboard shortcuts and the start screen/menu work as they used to, and yes the start screens works just like the start menu did generally. The difference is that everything is big and extra readable. I don't sweat all of the people griping. They haven't spent enough time with it.

M_Lyons10 said,
This has been known for quite some time now...

In other news, water is wet and Apple makes iPhones. I know, I can't believe this qualifies as news.

Apple only designs and sells iPhones. Foxconn "makes" them. ha! XD

rfirth said,

In other news, water is wet and Apple makes iPhones. I know, I can't believe this qualifies as news.

calimike said,
guys working on win8 update every day without break or day off until everyone pass away. Please don't die

What is this I don't even...clearly the Windows 8 team takes breaks. They certainly won't work themselves TO DEATH. That would only violate about 2834789234 labor laws. Pretty sure Microsoft isn't that stupid.

FrozenEclipse said,

What is this I don't even...clearly the Windows 8 team takes breaks. They certainly won't work themselves TO DEATH. That would only violate about 2834789234 labor laws. Pretty sure Microsoft isn't that stupid.

I've know people in the video game industry and they worked 80 hours weeks for a good portion of the year without violating labor laws. I'm pretty sure MS is going to be on at least a standard 60 hour week schedule right now.

Don't forget that Microsoft has whole server rooms dedicated to running unit tests and compilation. So I'm pretty sure they can churn out a Windows build in under 15 min (kinda remember reading that figure in that Microsoft employee blog)

EDIT: Darn, was meant to reply to "SharpGreen"

superconductive said,
So they still have time to add back the start button apparently...

It Microsoft is smart, they will make available. But then, again, corporate arrogance gets in the way. In other words, "To Hell with the business/enterprise community, the fickle consumer community is king."

what's the fuzz of the start button? you don't need it and if you so much want it because you are a so called Power User that go Power User and do Windows Key + R = Run Command and run the program you want to start. Also pin your Apps, no need for the old start menu really. Been using it for a week in my desktop and really it's ****ing AWESOME. IT'S fast and if I want to stay in desktop mode than I do, heck I been using it in desktop mode all this time and have had no problem getting a program open.

link6155 said,
Seriously, the button isn't really gone. Putting your mouse where the start button once was function the same as before.

Perhaps if you're on LSD, but otherwise, no, not in the slightest.

rseiler said,

Perhaps if you're on LSD, but otherwise, no, not in the slightest.

Well, if you have your taskbar on the bottom, the start button was in the bottom right corner. If you put your mouse there and click, the start screen will show up. Press it again will bring you to the last app. And also, there is a start button in the charm menu. Have you even tried Windows 8? If not, I wouldn't assume things.

superconductive said,
So they still have time to add back the start button apparently...

You people are getting really annoying. It's in the same ****ing place it's just invisible now, deal with it. And some of you call yourselves power-users and can't even handle a small change like that.. Pathetic... I've installed Windows 8 on at least 10 computers, mostly old people and non-tech people and none of them had trouble with it.

rseiler said,

Perhaps if you're on LSD, but otherwise, no, not in the slightest.

I don't think you have ever tried LSD. It doesn't work that way.

The last time I ever heard it mentioned was that it took 24hrs to do a full build on a dual processor machine. But that was several years ago. I'm sure their processes have improved since then.

SharpGreen said,
The last time I ever heard it mentioned was that it took 24hrs to do a full build on a dual processor machine. But that was several years ago. I'm sure their processes have improved since then.

And there are also just better computers out there, having a 'few' more cores? ;-)

I think it was a reddit AMA but an MS employee stated that after everyone checks in their working code for the night and the changes are propegated upstream, a build is compiled and deployed onto their computers, so every day they are running the most up-to-date build.

Obviously there was a lot more to it, and not every change was included immediately, but you get the idea... they build a LOT and actually eat their own dogfood too.

greenwizard88 said,
I think it was a reddit AMA but an MS employee stated that after everyone checks in their working code for the night and the changes are propegated upstream, a build is compiled and deployed onto their computers, so every day they are running the most up-to-date build.

Obviously there was a lot more to it, and not every change was included immediately, but you get the idea... they build a LOT and actually eat their own dogfood too.

This isn't all that surprising. The most popular movement in software development is the Agile movement. A major part of that is to have daily builds at the minimum and continuous integration is preferred.

I will be more interested when MS reaches CI with Windows development.

imforum.eu said,

And there are also just better computers out there, having a 'few' more cores? ;-)

It's quite certain that a single computer in the Build Farm has at least as many CPUs cores as my desktop does (a Q6600), and is certainly considerably more modern. I'll put it in simpler terms; an i5-3450 (current Intel quad-core CPU; used in every form-factor from Ultrabooks up) would thoroughly wax my Q6600 - despite having a smaller on-die cache.